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    More: Followup, News Corp., JoDon Romero, George A. Romero, YouTube, psychological trauma, post-traumatic stress disorders, suicides  
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2013-06-18 12:24:13 AM  
6 votes:
I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.
2013-06-18 12:41:05 AM  
5 votes:
So, the kids, thinking it would be really cool to watch some dude kill himself on the internet, deliberately loaded up the video...still not knowing it was their father...and we are expected to feel bad for them because they happened to know they guy the wanted to watch kill himself?  Really?  I wonder if they laughed about it and made fun of the guy and then later found out it was Dad...

If this woman gets a dime, it is a crime.
2013-06-18 12:31:19 AM  
5 votes:
"Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.

/f'in British grammar.
2013-06-18 12:55:57 AM  
4 votes:

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.


True, and there was nothing illegal about them showing the footage.  And Shepard Smith showed both responsibility by try to get the director to cut away and remorse after the fact.

But here's the question:  Those kids wanted to watch that video because their friends were talking about it, presumably having watched it themselves.  So would they have been just fine if it HADN'T been their father?
2013-06-18 12:41:17 AM  
4 votes:

PapaChester: "Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.


Pretty much this. Had it been someone else's dad they would both thought "Cool!" Joke's on them. Maybe next time they won't treat someone's death as a spectator sport.
2013-06-18 12:25:03 AM  
4 votes:
If this suit moves forward it will do more to protect copyrights and aid takedown requests than the RIAA has done in its whole history.
2013-06-18 01:10:05 AM  
3 votes:
They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.
2013-06-18 12:27:08 AM  
3 votes:
How about we sue the mom for procreating with a lunatic? Hmm!?
2013-06-18 12:23:45 AM  
3 votes:
I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year
2013-06-18 12:08:58 AM  
3 votes:
It sucks that the children witnessed their father killing himself.  On the other hand.  Said father has some responsibility for being someone who leads police on an hour long chase and then killing himself.
2013-06-18 02:30:35 AM  
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

And Fox's admission of negligence, aka "severe human error."  The company believed that such scenes should not be aired.  It had policies and processes to prevent such airings.  It neglected to follow its  own rules, and injury to others resulted.


Fox News is a non-basic cable channel, no such thing as decency standards. All non-basic cable "standards and practices" are voluntary. Additionally, human error does not equal negligence. And on top of all of that, the kids didn't watch it on Fox News, they sought the video out on YouTube; specifically looking for a video of a man committing suicide.

FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed) and the kids were actively looking to view someone blowing their brains out.

/Ugh...that post was painful to type.
2013-06-18 01:14:36 AM  
2 votes:

Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.


Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.
2013-06-18 01:09:38 AM  
2 votes:

CliChe Guevara: Infernalist: What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'

therapy for sure, and not easy to shake i'll give you that, but look at the alternative;
it has to be easier to shake off than a crackhead felon wifebeater for a dad.


Not really, no.  Having a parent kill himself is a horrible fate.  It does something to a kid that can't ever really be fixed.

Children of suicides have a high rate of suicide in turn when they reach adulthood.  Even if they don't give into the urges, the urges never ever really go away.

Having to actually see it?  I can imagine the damage is exponential.

Trust me, they'd have been better off with a crackhead father in prison and in and out of their lives.
2013-06-18 12:31:02 AM  
2 votes:
Kids aged "nine, 13 and 15" , don't generally watch the news.
2013-06-18 12:28:52 AM  
2 votes:
Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.
2013-06-18 12:28:18 AM  
2 votes:

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.


Having a parent kill himself is going to be traumatic.  But nothing close to the amount of damage done by actually witnessing it.

And there 'are' decency standards for television.  No nudity and no 'real' graphic violence.  I'm sure Fox News didn't go into this expecting a suicide on live TV, but all the same, there's some level of responsibility that they have to take for the footage that they filmed.
2013-06-18 12:34:04 PM  
1 vote:

ThatDarkFellow: I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year


Yes, let's return to the good old days of resolving conflicts through violence, rather than peacefully in court, under the rule of law!

/Anti-legal people are idiots.  I hope you remember your disdain for lawyers next time you find yourself sitting in a jail cell because some dick-swinging high school drop-out cop decides you looked at him funny.

//Not a lawyer
2013-06-18 07:49:24 AM  
1 vote:

CliChe Guevara: fullyautomatic: Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.

probably -all- of them will get some money, he had enough anchor baby mommas for them to qualify for a class action suit. you just know if money looks like its going to roll in for one, they are all going to jump on that bandwagon


Have you been told recently how much of a racist/ethnicist douche you are? Well, here, let me: you are a racist/ethnicist douche of the highest caliber. There is, literally, zero evidence that either of the two mothers of Jodon Romero's kids are anything but U.S. Citizens. Oh, but they must be illegal. Just look at their skin tone and last names. With names likes Rodriguez and brown skin, they must be here illegally looking to cash in on that fat welfare cash and dropping anchor babies like it's going out of style.

Asshole.
2013-06-18 06:03:05 AM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: TheSwizz: What Hispanic, in their right mind, would watch Fox News? Smelling the bullshiat.

Hispanics, as a group, are generally very socially conservative.


That's what Fox would have you believe.
2013-06-18 05:59:51 AM  
1 vote:

Infernalist: srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.

Having a parent kill himself is going to be traumatic.  But nothing close to the amount of damage done by actually witnessing it.

And there 'are' decency standards for television.  No nudity and no 'real' graphic violence.  I'm sure Fox News didn't go into this expecting a suicide on live TV, but all the same, there's some level of responsibility that they have to take for the footage that they filmed.


I hate to disagree with you or defend Fox, but the FCC doesn't regulate cable. At all. Cable content is regulated only by the station's sponsors. Even network television could broadcast hardcore porn without a fine if they wanted to, as long as it was between 10 pm and 6 am. The mother doesn't have a legitimate case against Fox, although Fox could have one against Youtube for hosting copyrighted content.
2013-06-18 02:55:32 AM  
1 vote:

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.


Also, it was on YouTube.  Why not sue them?  Google has deep pockets.  Should Fox have been able to predict the suicide?  Are they responsible for not issuing a take-down request?

I'd be willing to bet the kids who "heard" about this video at school were just told to say they had watched and were traumatized by it to manufacture a lawsuit.

And seriously, if your father committed suicide, why would you want to see a similar suicide on YouTube?
2013-06-18 02:10:01 AM  
1 vote:

Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.


And Fox's admission of negligence, aka "severe human error."  The company believed that such scenes should not be aired.  It had policies and processes to prevent such airings.  It neglected to follow its  own rules, and injury to others resulted.
2013-06-18 01:53:02 AM  
1 vote:
While the  lawsuit does sound merit less, I have learned that in civilized areas of the  US such as Los Angeles they have instituted a 5 second tape delay in order to not show some loser shedding their mortal coil, they say it has to do with integrity and ethics.

Honestly, the news should not be a Faces of Death bonus reel.  If KTLA can do it for years so can Faux
2013-06-18 01:34:13 AM  
1 vote:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: Normal is boring.

Poor choice of words on my part, because I understand intimately what you have dealt with, and continue to deal with. I recently lost my mother, and it opened up a lot of wounds that I thought had been healed. You're absolutely right, things are never the same after. And you're right about the thoughts of suicide, I've had them all my life. I'd never inflict that kind of pain on my family, but I totally understand why my father took his life.

/peace on you


Bingo.  It's my kids that keep me going in the bad times.  Mostly because I know what it would do to them if I actually did it.

But hey, you made it and I made it so there's hope yet.

Thanks for the kind words.
2013-06-18 01:31:03 AM  
1 vote:

Chinchillazilla: Infernalist: Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.

Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.

The kids in question were 12-13 and 14-15. I think most kids have a decent handle on death by then. Sure, it sucks that they saw it, but they knew they were going to watch someone eat it.

I feel bad for them, but they sought it out. They have no one to blame but themselves.


They're kids.  And one of them was 9.  They do stupid things, that's their job.  And no, children don't really have a grasp on death at that age.  Most 'adults' would be traumatized by something like that and these are kids.

But, whatever.  People tend to be shallow and heartless, in general.  Continue on, good sir.
2013-06-18 01:19:54 AM  
1 vote:
Video of a dad's suicide is what led to the antagonist in the movie Untraceable and everyone knows what a flop that was...

Anyway, the video should have been 18+ on Youtube. If it was, then that's a flawless legal defense. You kids don't obey Youtube's guidelines and you should kill yourself.
2013-06-18 01:19:46 AM  
1 vote:

Infernalist: Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.

Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.


The kids in question were 12-13 and 14-15. I think most kids have a decent handle on death by then. Sure, it sucks that they saw it, but they knew they were going to watch someone eat it.

I feel bad for them, but they sought it out. They have no one to blame but themselves.
2013-06-18 01:06:50 AM  
1 vote:
It's nice to see so many people who can't even conceive of thinking 'Why the fark does a human killing themselves need to be publicly available for viewing?'

late stage hyper consumer capitalism, you done good.
2013-06-18 01:04:04 AM  
1 vote:

ThatDarkFellow: I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year


How about we pay them $100 and hang 20 million of them instead?
2013-06-18 01:02:56 AM  
1 vote:
The man had a long criminal history. The woman knew what she was getting into. "Traumatized" kids are merely collateral damage, not the result of a heinous offense by a "news" channel.


Can't believe I'm defending FNC.
2013-06-18 01:02:46 AM  
1 vote:

Infernalist: PapaChester: "Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.

/f'in British grammar.

"Hey, you guys want to see a dead body?"

/obscure?


Not really...

Good movie, though.
2013-06-18 01:00:49 AM  
1 vote:

CliChe Guevara: srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

THIS. well, that and the fact that the kids had an absentee gang member/felon crackhead as a father, that had had five kids through four different moms, at least one (and probably more) of which he was documented to have assaulted, whenever he wasn't actually in prison.

 for some reason i think the suicide may have a net positive effect, as after the shock wears off the end result is that he won't be there to fark them up further. maybe even serve a positive example now simply as an object lesson.

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What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'

They'll be therapy for the next 30+ years and likely be suicidal in their adult years, too.
2013-06-18 12:57:19 AM  
1 vote:

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.


THIS. well, that and the fact that the kids had an absentee gang member/felon crackhead as a father, that had had five kids through four different moms, at least one (and probably more) of which he was documented to have assaulted, whenever he wasn't actually in prison.

 for some reason i think the suicide may have a net positive effect, as after the shock wears off the end result is that he won't be there to fark them up further. maybe even serve a positive example now simply as an object lesson.

jasreflections.files.wordpress.com
2013-06-18 12:54:57 AM  
1 vote:
Way to pick out a winner, mom.
2013-06-18 12:46:51 AM  
1 vote:

Mokmo: So let me get this right, they had time to get to school, come back, and no one had bothered to tell them their father was dead ?


Uh... this.
2013-06-18 12:43:02 AM  
1 vote:
So let me get this right, they had time to get to school, come back, and no one had bothered to tell them their father was dead ?
2013-06-18 12:37:14 AM  
1 vote:

Infernalist: But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.


As someone who at age 11 spent three hours in a car in the driveway trying to convince his father not to kill himself, only to be awakened the next morning by my mother and finding out my father was dead, I can vouch. I'm 51 now, and I still think about it every day.
2013-06-18 12:32:06 AM  
1 vote:
I watched it live, too.  So I should get a piece of that settlement.
2013-06-18 12:31:50 AM  
1 vote:

TommyymmoT: Kids aged "nine, 13 and 15" , don't generally watch the news.


Read the article.
2013-06-18 12:31:05 AM  
1 vote:

MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.


You're forgetting decency standards.
2013-06-18 12:31:03 AM  
1 vote:
Call me nuts but couldn't their emotional issues stem from the fact that their loser of a father killed himself?  Also it's not like Fake News put it on the internet.  As much as I hate that network this is the dumbest lawsuit I've heard of in at least the last 24 hours.
It would have been longer but I read a Cracked.com article about frivolous lawsuits then googled "frivolous lawsuits" and read a bunch of even dumber lawsuits just two days ago.
2013-06-18 12:30:08 AM  
1 vote:

TommyymmoT: Who was watching the kids while this all went down?
LOOK HONEY! THAT'S YOUR DADDY!


Read the article.  They heard rumors in school that there was some suicide on Fox News.  They went home and looked it up on youtube and only realized it was their father right before he shot himself.
2013-06-18 12:27:52 AM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How about we sue the mom for procreating with a lunatic? Hmm!?


You may be right. He may be crazy. But it just might have been a lunatic she was searching for.
2013-06-18 12:27:14 AM  
1 vote:
Who was watching the kids while this all went down?
LOOK HONEY! THAT'S YOUR DADDY!
2013-06-18 12:23:52 AM  
1 vote:
Yeah, I can totally see where the mom is coming from here. I'd say that's about 480,000 dollars worth of pain and suffering.
2013-06-18 12:21:46 AM  
1 vote:
Oh hell.  If this actually happened the way that that they say it happened...

Yeah, those kids would be traumatized by it.  How much blame should be heaped upon Fox News is debatable.

But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.
 
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