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2013-06-18 06:45:01 AM

Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...


in mine the 16 y/o son comes home to find dad OD with a needle in his arm.
 
2013-06-18 06:55:19 AM

fullyautomatic: Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.


probably -all- of them will get some money, he had enough anchor baby mommas for them to qualify for a class action suit. you just know if money looks like its going to roll in for one, they are all going to jump on that bandwagon
 
2013-06-18 07:14:43 AM
Lol yeah, and maybe I was being too cynical. But seriously I mean where does it end... If I watched some craptube video of my great uncle dying, do I get to sue? What about the documentaries about native American Indians dying, can I sue for that because of my ancestry? Those are ridiculous I know, just sayin, the "I'll sue you" system is out of control. This is why ppl hate lawyers.


/did personally receive a verrrrry small settlement from the govt for severe injuries in Iraq
//did so without any lawyers
///will be in physical therapy for life.
Who gives a fark lol
 
2013-06-18 07:18:29 AM

Abacus9: Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.

What sort of logic is that?


The difference is who is responsible for the kids watching the disturbing material. The fact of the matter is that the mother is claiming that Fox News is responsible (or has culpable liability) for her kids seeing this video.

Fox accidentally aired a suicide, which the kids later sought out from a different source (YouTube, in this case). In the video from the live broadcast, you can hear Shep Smith yelling to cut the feed before the act takes place; they failed to cut the feed. This displays a good faith attempt to NOT show the offensive footage. As soon as the came back from commercial, they apologized for the incident and didn't rerun any of the footage.

During class, these teenagers heard about the on-air suicide. After school, they went on YouTube and actively searched for a copy of the video of the live airing. They had every intention of viewing a man die for entertainment purposes and that makes all the difference in the world in a liability case.

Let's say, for example, the kids had been watching a rerun of "How I Met Your Mother" and all they wanted to watch was NPH being awesome. Then, Fox breaks into the broadcast to show the footage. Fox would have some liability because they shoved the footage at the kids. In the real case, though, Fox attempted to stop people from seeing the footage, failed and the kids went looking for it, making the kids responsible for what they watched.
 
2013-06-18 07:30:42 AM
When first reading TFA I though it said John Romero suicided, and I got a bit excited.


/going to hell
 
2013-06-18 07:49:24 AM

CliChe Guevara: fullyautomatic: Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.

probably -all- of them will get some money, he had enough anchor baby mommas for them to qualify for a class action suit. you just know if money looks like its going to roll in for one, they are all going to jump on that bandwagon


Have you been told recently how much of a racist/ethnicist douche you are? Well, here, let me: you are a racist/ethnicist douche of the highest caliber. There is, literally, zero evidence that either of the two mothers of Jodon Romero's kids are anything but U.S. Citizens. Oh, but they must be illegal. Just look at their skin tone and last names. With names likes Rodriguez and brown skin, they must be here illegally looking to cash in on that fat welfare cash and dropping anchor babies like it's going out of style.

Asshole.
 
2013-06-18 07:53:19 AM
She let her kids watch Fox news. She should have her crotchlings taken away and her tubes tied.
 
2013-06-18 08:09:29 AM
Let me guess, she found out his life insurance won't pay out on a suicide so she has to sue somebody to get some payout.
 
2013-06-18 08:11:17 AM
news.bbcimg.co.uk

No kids. that's not your daddy on the TV. I'm talking to your daddy on the phone right now. What's that dear? You got a job as an astronaut truck driver? That's great. I'm sure the kids will be happy. Your first job to is to drive the space truck to Neptune to pick up a load of space ice? No cell phone service past Mars, huh? Well, I'll let the kids talk to you now. Oh, you're almost to the Mars exit? Well, I tell the kids. What? I can't hear you. Well, take care and call when you come back in 25 years.
 
2013-06-18 08:14:23 AM
They have shown pictures of death and destruction for hundreds of years.  Only today does it become a traumatizing experience,  Yes, even the jungle gym is now traumatizing too.
 
2013-06-18 08:15:30 AM
Who prevented the children from looking up a live suicide online?   Debate not the fact it was their father, but that they actively searched for live suicide on youtube.

Litigious society.
 
2013-06-18 08:19:24 AM
If they had watched it live then I could understand but not after the fact, and not on youtube. Why isn't she suing google?
 
2013-06-18 08:20:14 AM

Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...


When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.
 
2013-06-18 08:21:41 AM
Eldritch is right,  ethnicity shouldn't be part of the conversation. I don't know what an anchor baby is,  but it sounds inappropriate.
 
2013-06-18 08:23:42 AM

Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.


Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.
 
2013-06-18 08:24:30 AM

eldritch2k4: FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed)


Not that I take the litigant's position here, but if I was going to broadcast that suicide intentionally, I'd make sure Shepherd Smith spent time screaming to cut the feed, too.
 
2013-06-18 08:25:58 AM

cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.


I once ordered a coke at a drive-thru and got a diet-coke instead.

/I could tell it was serious because the 911 operator was really upset.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:45 AM

vygramul: cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.

I once ordered a coke at a drive-thru and got a diet-coke instead.

/I could tell it was serious because the 911 operator was really upset.


That's because you didn't get him one, and you forgot your anniversary again.
 
2013-06-18 08:48:29 AM
Sounds like a setup for a payout
 
2013-06-18 08:52:55 AM

vygramul: eldritch2k4: FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed)

Not that I take the litigant's position here, but if I was going to broadcast that suicide intentionally, I'd make sure Shepherd Smith spent time screaming to cut the feed, too.


While that is a possibility, based on empirical evidence, Shep is the closest thing Fox News has to something resembling an anchor with integrity.
 
2013-06-18 09:30:57 AM
A news agency showing a live feed of a suicide? Well, there's a first time for everything.
americanfreepress.net
You know you want to see it.

Or...maybe you don't...
 
2013-06-18 09:58:51 AM
The mother of three children of a US man whose suicide was inadvertently broadcast live on Fox News Channel has sued the network, claiming infliction of emotional distress.

If that were the case, I think we'd be able to sue Fox for...well, just about everything they broadcast.
 
2013-06-18 10:00:21 AM

eldritch2k4: vygramul: eldritch2k4: FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed)

Not that I take the litigant's position here, but if I was going to broadcast that suicide intentionally, I'd make sure Shepherd Smith spent time screaming to cut the feed, too.

While that is a possibility, based on empirical evidence, Shep is the closest thing Fox News has to something resembling an anchor with integrity.


Concur.
 
2013-06-18 10:28:53 AM
We should make suicide illegal. That will solve the problem.

An actual suicide.
 
2013-06-18 10:36:50 AM

cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.


If they killed the whole family why do you think was she spared?  Just curious.
 
2013-06-18 10:46:03 AM

wambu: We should make suicide illegal. That will solve the problem.

An actual suicide.


I clicked on it because I figured when you said, "actual," you meant someone ruining their career or something, since no one disputes that this story was an actual suicide. You should have said, "Still of the exact moment in the vid," or something similar.
 
2013-06-18 10:54:21 AM

cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.


The 9-year-old niece of my wife did better at least.  Mom's boyfriend shot and killed Mom and then shot her.  She played dead, and boyfriend then killed himself.  She managed to recover and move on: her life is fairly messed up but my guess is that only part of that was the shooting.  The whole family branch is pretty dysfunctional

Spent two weeks at Grandma's house dealing with all of that.  Man, that was a fun Christmas...
 
2013-06-18 11:01:06 AM

vygramul: wambu: We should make suicide illegal. That will solve the problem.

An actual suicide.

I clicked on it because I figured when you said, "actual," you meant someone ruining their career or something, since no one disputes that this story was an actual suicide. You should have said, "Still of the exact moment in the vid," or something similar.


It's early for me. I do my best work in the late afternoon.
 
2013-06-18 11:36:07 AM

eldritch2k4: CliChe Guevara: fullyautomatic: Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.

probably -all- of them will get some money, he had enough anchor baby mommas for them to qualify for a class action suit. you just know if money looks like its going to roll in for one, they are all going to jump on that bandwagon

Have you been told recently how much of a racist/ethnicist douche you are? Well, here, let me: you are a racist/ethnicist douche of the highest caliber. There is, literally, zero evidence that either of the two mothers of Jodon Romero's kids are anything but U.S. Citizens. Oh, but they must be illegal. Just look at their skin tone and last names. With names likes Rodriguez and brown skin, they must be here illegally looking to cash in on that fat welfare cash and dropping anchor babies like it's going out of style.

Asshole.


 gee, either I am a racist asshole, or i actually, you know, am quoting facts from available news sources.

 nice to see which one you immediately jump to first.

/but i am a douche. you are correct there.
 
2013-06-18 11:36:58 AM

Cold_Sassy: cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.

If they killed the whole family why do you think was she spared?  Just curious.


She asked herself that for a long time too. Who knows
 
2013-06-18 11:39:08 AM

The Lone Gunman: srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.

True, and there was nothing illegal about them showing the footage.  And Shepard Smith showed both responsibility by try to get the director to cut away and remorse after the fact.

But here's the question:  Those kids wanted to watch that video because their friends were talking about it, presumably having watched it themselves.  So would they have been just fine if it HADN'T been their father?


They probably would have been joking about it at school the next day being vicious like most kids.
 
2013-06-18 11:39:26 AM
so it only took... 9 months for her to come up with this suit.

in the article it says:
On 28 September Romero shot himself in the head at the end of an hour-long police chase after stealing a car at gunpoint, as a news helicopter flew overhead. Police officials said he had a long criminal history and was wanted for parole violations.
Post-traumatic stress disorder
Filed earlier this month, the suit against Fox News Channel and its parent company News Corp alleges that on that day, Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching.
 

So the kids found out at school, the exact day that it happened, and have been traumatized since?  way to wait 9 months to file a suit.  bills must be stacking up from all those therapist visits....  oh wait, it doesn't say they ever went to any type of therapy!

This is why our society sucks.  Now she's looking for easy money.
 
2013-06-18 11:40:22 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.

The 9-year-old niece of my wife did better at least.  Mom's boyfriend shot and killed Mom and then shot her.  She played dead, and boyfriend then killed himself.  She managed to recover and move on: her life is fairly messed up but my guess is that only part of that was the shooting.  The whole family branch is pretty dysfunctional

Spent two weeks at Grandma's house dealing with all of that.  Man, that was a fun Christmas...


Even more "fun" is Christmas Eve day.  Woman and her husband are prepping for their family coming in to spend Eve, Day, and 2 weeks with them.  Husband goes grocery shopping. Wife goes into garage, runs a hose from the exhaust into the car, and sits in the drivers seat.  Husband comes home and finds her dead.  Out of town family arrives in time to see the ambulance leaving.
 
2013-06-18 11:42:08 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.

The 9-year-old niece of my wife did better at least.  Mom's boyfriend shot and killed Mom and then shot her.  She played dead, and boyfriend then killed himself.  She managed to recover and move on: her life is fairly messed up but my guess is that only part of that was the shooting.  The whole family branch is pretty dysfunctional

Spent two weeks at Grandma's house dealing with all of that.  Man, that was a fun Christmas...


re what I just replied to you with:  That was either 1996 or 1997. I can't remember anymore.  I didn't know either of them well, but that Christmas wasn't a happy affair.
 
2013-06-18 12:29:26 PM
SamSamSam a month ago

I'm reading through the comments, and I'm absolutely mortified. Are we as human beings not only condoning, but actively supporting the death of another person, regardless of their criminal history? This is what news sensationalism does to us as people. It degrades the human condition, and afflicts us with a collective sense of cognitive dissonance, so that the plight of others is nothing more than another reality show to be watched on television. Personally, this event, its reporting and the multitude of other car chases that are covered every year are far too similar to the horrifying scene of Montag being hunted in Fahrenheit 451.


I guess some of y'all won't be satisfied with this kinda rubbernecking until we bring back gladiatorial games, swords, lions, scarlet helmet plumes, and all.
 
2013-06-18 12:34:04 PM

ThatDarkFellow: I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year


Yes, let's return to the good old days of resolving conflicts through violence, rather than peacefully in court, under the rule of law!

/Anti-legal people are idiots.  I hope you remember your disdain for lawyers next time you find yourself sitting in a jail cell because some dick-swinging high school drop-out cop decides you looked at him funny.

//Not a lawyer
 
2013-06-18 02:10:11 PM

fullyautomatic: I don't know what an anchor baby is, but it sounds inappropriate.


Indeed, totally inappropriate... Babies are far too light and buoyant to be used as a proper anchor... The boat would just drift away!
 
2013-06-18 02:34:50 PM
Money grab
 
2013-06-18 03:03:37 PM
Is anyone missing the fact that the kids were going to watch someone commit suicide on the internet. It's not like they stumbled across it on accident. AND I'm probably fairly sure that Fox didn't put the version with the actual suicide on the internet. As much as it pains me to say... Fox isn't in the wrong.

Also, the article is confusing. It says that the kids learned about someone shooting himself on live tv from rumors at school, but then later says the kids haven't been to school since the incident. In addition, why did they wait almost a year to file the lawsuit? This whole thing is weird.
 
2013-06-18 05:07:40 PM

Kittypie070: SamSamSam a month ago

I'm reading through the comments, and I'm absolutely mortified. Are we as human beings not only condoning, but actively supporting the death of another person, regardless of their criminal history? This is what news sensationalism does to us as people. It degrades the human condition, and afflicts us with a collective sense of cognitive dissonance, so that the plight of others is nothing more than another reality show to be watched on television. Personally, this event, its reporting and the multitude of other car chases that are covered every year are far too similar to the horrifying scene of Montag being hunted in Fahrenheit 451.

I guess some of y'all won't be satisfied with this kinda rubbernecking until we bring back gladiatorial games, swords, lions, scarlet helmet plumes, and all.


I want to be able to watch the drone feeds live.
 
2013-06-18 06:01:38 PM
Cry me a river you money grubbing B!thch. You should pay better attention to what your kids are looking up on the Internet. Your husband sure didn't.
 
2013-06-18 06:52:42 PM
for a NIED suit to succeed in Az the defendant must be responsible for the death. unless Fox News shot the guy the plaintiff cannot win.
 
2013-06-19 12:18:19 AM

eldritch2k4: Abacus9: Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.

What sort of logic is that?

The difference is who is responsible for the kids watching the disturbing material. The fact of the matter is that the mother is claiming that Fox News is responsible (or has culpable liability) for her kids seeing this video.

Fox accidentally aired a suicide, which the kids later sought out from a different source (YouTube, in this case). In the video from the live broadcast, you can hear Shep Smith yelling to cut the feed before the act takes place; they failed to cut the feed. This displays a good faith attempt to NOT show the offensive footage. As soon as the came back from commercial, they apologized for the incident and didn't rerun any of the footage.

During class, these teenagers heard about the on-air suicide. After school, they went on YouTube and actively searched for a copy of the video of the live airing. They had every intention of viewing a man die for entertainment purposes and that makes all the difference in the world in a liability case.

Let's say, for example, the kids had been watching a rerun of "How I Met Your Mother" and all they wanted to watch was NPH being awesome. Then, Fox breaks into the broadcast to show the footage. Fox would have some liability because they shoved the footage at the kids. In the real case, though, Fox attempted to stop people from seeing the footage, failed and the kids went looking for it, making the kids responsible for what they watched.


In a court of law, everything you said is completely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is: Did they show it legally. The answer is yes. Case closed.
 
2013-06-19 02:16:56 AM

Abacus9: eldritch2k4: Abacus9: Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.

What sort of logic is that?

The difference is who is responsible for the kids watching the disturbing material. The fact of the matter is that the mother is claiming that Fox News is responsible (or has culpable liability) for her kids seeing this video.

Fox accidentally aired a suicide, which the kids later sought out from a different source (YouTube, in this case). In the video from the live broadcast, you can hear Shep Smith yelling to cut the feed before the act takes place; they failed to cut the feed. This displays a good faith attempt to NOT show the offensive footage. As soon as the came back from commercial, they apologized for the incident and didn't rerun any of the footage.

During class, these teenagers heard about the on-air suicide. After school, they went on YouTube and actively searched for a copy of the video of the live airing. They had every intention of viewing a man die for entertainment purposes and that makes all the difference in the world in a liability case.

Let's say, for example, the kids had been watching a rerun of "How I Met Your Mother" and all they wanted to watch was NPH being awesome. Then, Fox breaks into the broadcast to show the footage. Fox would have some liability because they shoved the footage at the kids. In the real case, though, Fox attempted to stop people from seeing the footage, failed and the kids went looking for it, making the kids responsible for what they watched.

In a court of law, everything you said is completely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is: Did they show it legally. The answer is yes. Case closed.


What cereal box did you order your law degree from?
 
2013-06-19 03:19:52 AM

ThatDarkFellow: Abacus9: eldritch2k4: Abacus9: Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.

What sort of logic is that?

The difference is who is responsible for the kids watching the disturbing material. The fact of the matter is that the mother is claiming that Fox News is responsible (or has culpable liability) for her kids seeing this video.

Fox accidentally aired a suicide, which the kids later sought out from a different source (YouTube, in this case). In the video from the live broadcast, you can hear Shep Smith yelling to cut the feed before the act takes place; they failed to cut the feed. This displays a good faith attempt to NOT show the offensive footage. As soon as the came back from commercial, they apologized for the incident and didn't rerun any of the footage.

During class, these teenagers heard about the on-air suicide. After school, they went on YouTube and actively searched for a copy of the video of the live airing. They had every intention of viewing a man die for entertainment purposes and that makes all the difference in the world in a liability case.

Let's say, for example, the kids had been watching a rerun of "How I Met Your Mother" and all they wanted to watch was NPH being awesome. Then, Fox breaks into the broadcast to show the footage. Fox would have some liability because they shoved the footage at the kids. In the real case, though, Fox attempted to stop people from seeing the footage, failed and the kids went looking for it, making the kids responsible for what they watched.

In a court of law, everything you said is completely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is: Did they show it legally. The answer is yes. Case closed.

What cereal box did you order your law degree from?


Where did you get yours? They can't sue a news network for showing breaking news no matter how sad it makes them. The network would have to be proven liable for showing something they shouldn't, whether it upsets the kids or not. Cable TV is not FCC regulated. Period. It anything, Fox would have a case against Youtube for hosting their copyrighted material.
 
2013-06-19 03:20:32 AM
If, even
 
2013-06-19 06:30:26 AM
Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!
who cares
they're kids of D-bag
and a mom who likes bad people

if you don't want the kids to see daddy end himself like a coward
then don't hitch up with a guy who endangers others in a stolen car
..then ends himself like a coward
 
2013-06-19 08:16:42 AM

FFCRASH9: Cry me a river you money grubbing B!thch. You should pay better attention to what your kids are looking up on the Internet. Your husband sure didn't.


You're right. No sane person watches any news channel with their little kids.
 
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