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2013-06-18 12:55:57 AM

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.


True, and there was nothing illegal about them showing the footage.  And Shepard Smith showed both responsibility by try to get the director to cut away and remorse after the fact.

But here's the question:  Those kids wanted to watch that video because their friends were talking about it, presumably having watched it themselves.  So would they have been just fine if it HADN'T been their father?
 
2013-06-18 12:56:33 AM
Thanks Obama.
 
2013-06-18 12:56:54 AM
televisions need control knobs and YT suicide videos should be labeled suicide video

/ oh crap, that's the way it are
 
2013-06-18 12:57:07 AM
I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook.   If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.  They could say they had no intention of watching the car chase, much less the death.

As it stands, the mom allows them unsupervised internet access.   That's already guaranteeing that these kids are not innocent viewers.
 
2013-06-18 12:57:19 AM

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.


THIS. well, that and the fact that the kids had an absentee gang member/felon crackhead as a father, that had had five kids through four different moms, at least one (and probably more) of which he was documented to have assaulted, whenever he wasn't actually in prison.

 for some reason i think the suicide may have a net positive effect, as after the shock wears off the end result is that he won't be there to fark them up further. maybe even serve a positive example now simply as an object lesson.

jasreflections.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-18 12:58:17 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.

As someone who at age 11 spent three hours in a car in the driveway trying to convince his father not to kill himself, only to be awakened the next morning by my mother and finding out my father was dead, I can vouch. I'm 51 now, and I still think about it every day.

Nine years old, came home from school, found my mother in bed.  She'd overdosed on 'something' and convinced herself that she was pregnant and needed to get the baby out.  She used a pair of scissors.

And people wonder why I'm so farked up.

Perhaps they should be amazed that you're so normal. I've had you favorited for a long time.

You and I also possibly share ancestry. My great-grandfather was pure-blooded Comanche. He was the first Indian deeded land-owner in the Indian Territories. He married a white woman in the 1890s. I met her once, she lived until 1973. She came west on a covered wagon, and lived long enough to see a man land on the Moon.


Normal is boring.  But, thank you.
 
2013-06-18 01:00:49 AM

CliChe Guevara: srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

THIS. well, that and the fact that the kids had an absentee gang member/felon crackhead as a father, that had had five kids through four different moms, at least one (and probably more) of which he was documented to have assaulted, whenever he wasn't actually in prison.

 for some reason i think the suicide may have a net positive effect, as after the shock wears off the end result is that he won't be there to fark them up further. maybe even serve a positive example now simply as an object lesson.

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What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'

They'll be therapy for the next 30+ years and likely be suicidal in their adult years, too.
 
2013-06-18 01:02:46 AM

Infernalist: PapaChester: "Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.

/f'in British grammar.

"Hey, you guys want to see a dead body?"

/obscure?


Not really...

Good movie, though.
 
2013-06-18 01:02:56 AM
The man had a long criminal history. The woman knew what she was getting into. "Traumatized" kids are merely collateral damage, not the result of a heinous offense by a "news" channel.


Can't believe I'm defending FNC.
 
2013-06-18 01:03:09 AM

Infernalist: What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'


therapy for sure, and not easy to shake i'll give you that, but look at the alternative;
it has to be easier to shake off than a crackhead felon wifebeater for a dad.
 
2013-06-18 01:04:04 AM

ThatDarkFellow: I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year


How about we pay them $100 and hang 20 million of them instead?
 
2013-06-18 01:04:58 AM
Bad brain, no doughnut.

First thought hence the bad brain:  Won't someone think of Rick Romero
 
2013-06-18 01:05:28 AM
FTA- "Angela Rodriguez, the mother of JoDon Romero's children"

Her anchor babies are all still alive. That should be compensation enough. Too bad the NRA lost another responsible member. They can't really afford to lose the ones with ethnic sounding last names.

/I await your scores
 
2013-06-18 01:06:50 AM
It's nice to see so many people who can't even conceive of thinking 'Why the fark does a human killing themselves need to be publicly available for viewing?'

late stage hyper consumer capitalism, you done good.
 
2013-06-18 01:08:20 AM

Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.


This.

There should always be a delay, if only a few seconds, of live TV, just so that shiat like this does not actually make it to the airwaves.

There might actually be, but what news mogul is going to hit the kill switch for a live suicide caught on video?

Responsible for the kid's trauma though?  No, their father is the only one to blame.

They should still get the shiat fined out of them for it.  Has to be big though, no slaps on the wrist.

I'm all for a lot of shiat on TV, but what amounts to a live snuff film is bad juju.
 
2013-06-18 01:09:38 AM

CliChe Guevara: Infernalist: What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'

therapy for sure, and not easy to shake i'll give you that, but look at the alternative;
it has to be easier to shake off than a crackhead felon wifebeater for a dad.


Not really, no.  Having a parent kill himself is a horrible fate.  It does something to a kid that can't ever really be fixed.

Children of suicides have a high rate of suicide in turn when they reach adulthood.  Even if they don't give into the urges, the urges never ever really go away.

Having to actually see it?  I can imagine the damage is exponential.

Trust me, they'd have been better off with a crackhead father in prison and in and out of their lives.
 
2013-06-18 01:10:05 AM
They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.
 
2013-06-18 01:10:45 AM

omeganuepsilon: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

This.

There should always be a delay, if only a few seconds, of live TV, just so that shiat like this does not actually make it to the airwaves.

There might actually be, but what news mogul is going to hit the kill switch for a live suicide caught on video?

Responsible for the kid's trauma though?  No, their father is the only one to blame.

They should still get the shiat fined out of them for it.  Has to be big though, no slaps on the wrist.

I'm all for a lot of shiat on TV, but what amounts to a live snuff film is bad juju.


It looked like there was a good faith effort to cut it, but it just slipped. It's not like they loaded up the reel and said watch this loser blow his brains out on a loop to Yakety Sax
 
2013-06-18 01:14:36 AM

Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.


Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.
 
2013-06-18 01:15:33 AM

ThatDarkFellow: omeganuepsilon: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

This.

There should always be a delay, if only a few seconds, of live TV, just so that shiat like this does not actually make it to the airwaves.

There might actually be, but what news mogul is going to hit the kill switch for a live suicide caught on video?

Responsible for the kid's trauma though?  No, their father is the only one to blame.

They should still get the shiat fined out of them for it.  Has to be big though, no slaps on the wrist.

I'm all for a lot of shiat on TV, but what amounts to a live snuff film is bad juju.

It looked like there was a good faith effort to cut it, but it just slipped. It's not like they loaded up the reel and said watch this loser blow his brains out on a loop to Yakety Sax


That last thing would have been great, though.

/I would be amazed if it isn't already Yakety Sax'd on Youtube
 
2013-06-18 01:19:46 AM

Infernalist: Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.

Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.


The kids in question were 12-13 and 14-15. I think most kids have a decent handle on death by then. Sure, it sucks that they saw it, but they knew they were going to watch someone eat it.

I feel bad for them, but they sought it out. They have no one to blame but themselves.
 
2013-06-18 01:19:54 AM
Video of a dad's suicide is what led to the antagonist in the movie Untraceable and everyone knows what a flop that was...

Anyway, the video should have been 18+ on Youtube. If it was, then that's a flawless legal defense. You kids don't obey Youtube's guidelines and you should kill yourself.
 
2013-06-18 01:20:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You may be right. He may be crazy. But it just might have been a lunatic she was searching for.


I hate you for that.  I'm gonna have to go find something else to replace that.
 
2013-06-18 01:20:22 AM

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B.

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/ sucks to be you, but your husband / dad was news

 
2013-06-18 01:31:03 AM

Chinchillazilla: Infernalist: Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.

Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.

The kids in question were 12-13 and 14-15. I think most kids have a decent handle on death by then. Sure, it sucks that they saw it, but they knew they were going to watch someone eat it.

I feel bad for them, but they sought it out. They have no one to blame but themselves.


They're kids.  And one of them was 9.  They do stupid things, that's their job.  And no, children don't really have a grasp on death at that age.  Most 'adults' would be traumatized by something like that and these are kids.

But, whatever.  People tend to be shallow and heartless, in general.  Continue on, good sir.
 
2013-06-18 01:31:21 AM

Infernalist: Normal is boring.


Poor choice of words on my part, because I understand intimately what you have dealt with, and continue to deal with. I recently lost my mother, and it opened up a lot of wounds that I thought had been healed. You're absolutely right, things are never the same after. And you're right about the thoughts of suicide, I've had them all my life. I'd never inflict that kind of pain on my family, but I totally understand why my father took his life.

/peace on you
 
2013-06-18 01:34:13 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: Normal is boring.

Poor choice of words on my part, because I understand intimately what you have dealt with, and continue to deal with. I recently lost my mother, and it opened up a lot of wounds that I thought had been healed. You're absolutely right, things are never the same after. And you're right about the thoughts of suicide, I've had them all my life. I'd never inflict that kind of pain on my family, but I totally understand why my father took his life.

/peace on you


Bingo.  It's my kids that keep me going in the bad times.  Mostly because I know what it would do to them if I actually did it.

But hey, you made it and I made it so there's hope yet.

Thanks for the kind words.
 
2013-06-18 01:53:02 AM
While the  lawsuit does sound merit less, I have learned that in civilized areas of the  US such as Los Angeles they have instituted a 5 second tape delay in order to not show some loser shedding their mortal coil, they say it has to do with integrity and ethics.

Honestly, the news should not be a Faces of Death bonus reel.  If KTLA can do it for years so can Faux
 
2013-06-18 02:00:52 AM

Infernalist: PapaChester: "Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.

/f'in British grammar.

"Hey, you guys want to see a dead body?"

/obscure?


Why do people think quotes that I recognize might be obscure?
 
2013-06-18 02:06:24 AM

Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...


One of my ex girlfriends had this happen when she was very young. It's sad, but I suspect it's the reason why she was so farking crazy.

/Not a cool story, bro.
 
2013-06-18 02:10:01 AM

Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.


And Fox's admission of negligence, aka "severe human error."  The company believed that such scenes should not be aired.  It had policies and processes to prevent such airings.  It neglected to follow its  own rules, and injury to others resulted.
 
2013-06-18 02:12:29 AM
"Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube"

Hummm, oh well
 
2013-06-18 02:17:44 AM
I bet you this is one of many lawsuits the family has or is going to file. Im sure they will also sue the police, City, State, You name it.
 
2013-06-18 02:25:01 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

And Fox's admission of negligence, aka "severe human error."  The company believed that such scenes should not be aired.  It had policies and processes to prevent such airings.  It neglected to follow its  own rules, and injury to others resulted.


So then why go after fox news? Go after the station that actually filmed and beamed the footage. But I guess Fox has the deeper pockets.
 
2013-06-18 02:30:27 AM
And further more... why not just go after youtube?
 
2013-06-18 02:30:35 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

And Fox's admission of negligence, aka "severe human error."  The company believed that such scenes should not be aired.  It had policies and processes to prevent such airings.  It neglected to follow its  own rules, and injury to others resulted.


Fox News is a non-basic cable channel, no such thing as decency standards. All non-basic cable "standards and practices" are voluntary. Additionally, human error does not equal negligence. And on top of all of that, the kids didn't watch it on Fox News, they sought the video out on YouTube; specifically looking for a video of a man committing suicide.

FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed) and the kids were actively looking to view someone blowing their brains out.

/Ugh...that post was painful to type.
 
2013-06-18 02:36:15 AM
FTA:  Filed earlier this month, the suit against Fox News Channel and its parent company News Corp alleges that on that day, Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realizing it was their father while watching.

So the kids thought, "Dude, did you hear that some guy killed himself on live TV. We've got to see that" and so they did. They were more than okay with seeing someone kill themselves as long as it wasn't anyone they knew. IMHO, that severely undercuts their "Won't anyone think of the children" argument.
 
2013-06-18 02:44:55 AM

MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.


Except breasts, occasionally. I realize this wasn't on a 'broadcast' network, but it's still an odd thought in terms of the amount of fines for a shirt being pulled open.
 
2013-06-18 02:51:55 AM
Darwin steps up to the plate, he is only 1 for 4 today.
 
2013-06-18 02:55:32 AM

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.


Also, it was on YouTube.  Why not sue them?  Google has deep pockets.  Should Fox have been able to predict the suicide?  Are they responsible for not issuing a take-down request?

I'd be willing to bet the kids who "heard" about this video at school were just told to say they had watched and were traumatized by it to manufacture a lawsuit.

And seriously, if your father committed suicide, why would you want to see a similar suicide on YouTube?
 
2013-06-18 03:19:18 AM

FuzedBox: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

One of my ex girlfriends had this happen when she was very young. It's sad, but I suspect it's the reason why she was so farking crazy.

/Not a cool story, bro.


In this day and age, cops just assume murder-suicide. My uncle committed suicide a couple months ago away from home, via rifle (really). The cops, in full protective gear, invaded my aunt and uncle's house (in the early morning hours; my aunt was sleeping) with guns drawn. What an awful way to be woken up and find out your husband is dead from suicide.
 
2013-06-18 03:20:35 AM

Manfred J. Hattan: If this suit moves forward it will do more to protect copyrights and aid takedown requests than the RIAA has done in its whole history.


You're probably right.

It's also the publishers, though, and not just the labels.
 
2013-06-18 04:10:00 AM

ShadowWolf: I smell bullshiat...-sniff sniff- No .. no that is money out of court settlement.


Ah, the out of court settlement.  Truly the "that's nice.  Here, little annoying girl, take this shiny quarter and go buy yourself a lolly while the adults continue doing actual important things" of the US court system.
 
2013-06-18 04:41:01 AM

Infernalist: Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'. They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is. They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.


What kind of idyllic childhood did you have? ...or were other children not terrified by people they love dying?
 
2013-06-18 05:59:51 AM

Infernalist: srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.

Having a parent kill himself is going to be traumatic.  But nothing close to the amount of damage done by actually witnessing it.

And there 'are' decency standards for television.  No nudity and no 'real' graphic violence.  I'm sure Fox News didn't go into this expecting a suicide on live TV, but all the same, there's some level of responsibility that they have to take for the footage that they filmed.


I hate to disagree with you or defend Fox, but the FCC doesn't regulate cable. At all. Cable content is regulated only by the station's sponsors. Even network television could broadcast hardcore porn without a fine if they wanted to, as long as it was between 10 pm and 6 am. The mother doesn't have a legitimate case against Fox, although Fox could have one against Youtube for hosting copyrighted content.
 
2013-06-18 06:03:05 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: TheSwizz: What Hispanic, in their right mind, would watch Fox News? Smelling the bullshiat.

Hispanics, as a group, are generally very socially conservative.


That's what Fox would have you believe.
 
2013-06-18 06:10:51 AM

Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.


What sort of logic is that?
 
xcv
2013-06-18 06:28:23 AM

Infernalist: CliChe Guevara: Infernalist: What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'

therapy for sure, and not easy to shake i'll give you that, but look at the alternative;
it has to be easier to shake off than a crackhead felon wifebeater for a dad.

Not really, no.  Having a parent kill himself is a horrible fate.  It does something to a kid that can't ever really be fixed.

Children of suicides have a high rate of suicide in turn when they reach adulthood.  Even if they don't give into the urges, the urges never ever really go away.

Having to actually see it?  I can imagine the damage is exponential.


Could also be attributed to mental illness often being hereditary.
 
2013-06-18 06:31:33 AM
Came home from school one day when I was 13, found mom had left the old-style coffee percolator on the stove.

[sniff]

Ok, so it's not so csb........ I had a sheltered life.

/........ but the locked doors should have been a big hint......
 
2013-06-18 06:42:21 AM
More evidence of litigation gone wild (sounds like a lawyer porn... Now I'm strangely thinking of what a lawyer porn would be lol). Seriously this would not fly in any country but America. And just 10 years ago she would be punched in the face for even thinking about suing over this. 'Merica I am disappoint. Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.
 
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