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(BBC)   Arizona woman sues Fox News after her children watch Youtube videos   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 148
    More: Followup, News Corp., JoDon Romero, George A. Romero, YouTube, psychological trauma, post-traumatic stress disorders, suicides  
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2013-06-18 12:08:58 AM  
It sucks that the children witnessed their father killing himself.  On the other hand.  Said father has some responsibility for being someone who leads police on an hour long chase and then killing himself.
 
2013-06-18 12:21:46 AM  
Oh hell.  If this actually happened the way that that they say it happened...

Yeah, those kids would be traumatized by it.  How much blame should be heaped upon Fox News is debatable.

But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.
 
2013-06-18 12:23:03 AM  
hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...
 
2013-06-18 12:23:45 AM  
I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year
 
2013-06-18 12:23:52 AM  
Yeah, I can totally see where the mom is coming from here. I'd say that's about 480,000 dollars worth of pain and suffering.
 
2013-06-18 12:24:13 AM  
I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.
 
2013-06-18 12:24:25 AM  
I watched this live.  I cannot imagine what the kids went through.  Although I am sure Fox News wishes every car chase ended like that.

But the thing was, based on his body movements, one could really tell the man was disturbed, frightened, terrified.  You could sense that he felt it was his best option.  Sad, really.
 
2013-06-18 12:24:36 AM  
I smell bullshiat...-sniff sniff- No .. no that is money out of court settlement.
 
2013-06-18 12:25:03 AM  
If this suit moves forward it will do more to protect copyrights and aid takedown requests than the RIAA has done in its whole history.
 
2013-06-18 12:27:08 AM  
How about we sue the mom for procreating with a lunatic? Hmm!?
 
2013-06-18 12:27:14 AM  
Who was watching the kids while this all went down?
LOOK HONEY! THAT'S YOUR DADDY!
 
2013-06-18 12:27:30 AM  
What Hispanic, in their right mind, would watch Fox News?  Smelling the bullshiat.
 
2013-06-18 12:27:52 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How about we sue the mom for procreating with a lunatic? Hmm!?


You may be right. He may be crazy. But it just might have been a lunatic she was searching for.
 
2013-06-18 12:27:56 AM  
I'd of paid $20000 to watch my old man off himself on TV.
 
2013-06-18 12:28:18 AM  

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.


Having a parent kill himself is going to be traumatic.  But nothing close to the amount of damage done by actually witnessing it.

And there 'are' decency standards for television.  No nudity and no 'real' graphic violence.  I'm sure Fox News didn't go into this expecting a suicide on live TV, but all the same, there's some level of responsibility that they have to take for the footage that they filmed.
 
2013-06-18 12:28:52 AM  
Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.
 
2013-06-18 12:28:58 AM  

TheSwizz: What Hispanic, in their right mind, would watch Fox News?  Smelling the bullshiat.


Hispanics, as a group, are generally very socially conservative.

Plus Fox News has a lot of really sexy white women reporters.
 
2013-06-18 12:30:08 AM  

TommyymmoT: Who was watching the kids while this all went down?
LOOK HONEY! THAT'S YOUR DADDY!


Read the article.  They heard rumors in school that there was some suicide on Fox News.  They went home and looked it up on youtube and only realized it was their father right before he shot himself.
 
2013-06-18 12:31:02 AM  
Kids aged "nine, 13 and 15" , don't generally watch the news.
 
2013-06-18 12:31:03 AM  
Call me nuts but couldn't their emotional issues stem from the fact that their loser of a father killed himself?  Also it's not like Fake News put it on the internet.  As much as I hate that network this is the dumbest lawsuit I've heard of in at least the last 24 hours.
It would have been longer but I read a Cracked.com article about frivolous lawsuits then googled "frivolous lawsuits" and read a bunch of even dumber lawsuits just two days ago.
 
2013-06-18 12:31:05 AM  

MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.


You're forgetting decency standards.
 
2013-06-18 12:31:11 AM  
Hey man. Nice shot.

(What!? I'm talking to the cameraman.)
 
2013-06-18 12:31:19 AM  
"Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.

/f'in British grammar.
 
2013-06-18 12:31:39 AM  
BOOM!  HEADSHOT!
 
2013-06-18 12:31:50 AM  

TommyymmoT: Kids aged "nine, 13 and 15" , don't generally watch the news.


Read the article.
 
2013-06-18 12:32:06 AM  
I watched it live, too.  So I should get a piece of that settlement.
 
2013-06-18 12:32:16 AM  

Infernalist: TommyymmoT: Who was watching the kids while this all went down?
LOOK HONEY! THAT'S YOUR DADDY!

Read the article.  They heard rumors in school that there was some suicide on Fox News.  They went home and looked it up on youtube and only realized it was their father right before he shot himself.


Ooops.
 
2013-06-18 12:32:40 AM  

PapaChester: "Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.

/f'in British grammar.


"Hey, you guys want to see a dead body?"

/obscure?
 
2013-06-18 12:33:10 AM  
 
2013-06-18 12:33:13 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year


Maybe do a Hunger Ganes riff with 100 of them given real 9mms and 100 given dummy 9mms. Let's see whose left at the end. Spin the wheel, cull the  herd.
 
2013-06-18 12:33:58 AM  
Pick one:

A.

cdn.stripersonline.com

or

B.

www.micafeina.com


/ sucks to be you, but your husband / dad was news
 
2013-06-18 12:34:01 AM  
Anyone have a link, we could all vouch for each other that we were close friends of JoDon and start a class action.
 
2013-06-18 12:35:48 AM  
Has anyone considered that maybe it wasn't suicide, and that he's just a really, really bad shot?
 
2013-06-18 12:36:23 AM  
Wait, you can claim injury from watching Fox News? I'm in!
 
2013-06-18 12:37:07 AM  
You killed my baby daddy, someone gotta pay for the kids!
 
2013-06-18 12:37:14 AM  

Infernalist: But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.


As someone who at age 11 spent three hours in a car in the driveway trying to convince his father not to kill himself, only to be awakened the next morning by my mother and finding out my father was dead, I can vouch. I'm 51 now, and I still think about it every day.
 
2013-06-18 12:38:03 AM  

Farty McPooPants: I watched it live, too.  So I should get a piece of that settlement.


There was a guy who wanted a part of the 9/11 money because from his office, he could see the planes taking off in Boston.
 
2013-06-18 12:38:35 AM  
Truly awful.
Someone send me the link.
 
2013-06-18 12:38:40 AM  
Way to milk a rotten cow! Go find a job woman!
 
2013-06-18 12:39:30 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.

As someone who at age 11 spent three hours in a car in the driveway trying to convince his father not to kill himself, only to be awakened the next morning by my mother and finding out my father was dead, I can vouch. I'm 51 now, and I still think about it every day.


Nine years old, came home from school, found my mother in bed.  She'd overdosed on 'something' and convinced herself that she was pregnant and needed to get the baby out.  She used a pair of scissors.

And people wonder why I'm so farked up.
 
2013-06-18 12:41:05 AM  
So, the kids, thinking it would be really cool to watch some dude kill himself on the internet, deliberately loaded up the video...still not knowing it was their father...and we are expected to feel bad for them because they happened to know they guy the wanted to watch kill himself?  Really?  I wonder if they laughed about it and made fun of the guy and then later found out it was Dad...

If this woman gets a dime, it is a crime.
 
2013-06-18 12:41:17 AM  

PapaChester: "Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.


Pretty much this. Had it been someone else's dad they would both thought "Cool!" Joke's on them. Maybe next time they won't treat someone's death as a spectator sport.
 
2013-06-18 12:43:02 AM  
So let me get this right, they had time to get to school, come back, and no one had bothered to tell them their father was dead ?
 
2013-06-18 12:43:29 AM  
They probably aren't going to school because everyone at school watched their dad kill himself on the internet.
This is 95% Dad's fault...4% their own fault...I'll give FOX 1% on this one.
 
2013-06-18 12:46:51 AM  

Mokmo: So let me get this right, they had time to get to school, come back, and no one had bothered to tell them their father was dead ?


Uh... this.
 
2013-06-18 12:47:29 AM  
I used to live near a person that committed suicide after I moved away - can I sue Fox too?  Not that I don't think foxnews should be sued at any opportunity, but...
 
2013-06-18 12:50:11 AM  

Infernalist: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.

As someone who at age 11 spent three hours in a car in the driveway trying to convince his father not to kill himself, only to be awakened the next morning by my mother and finding out my father was dead, I can vouch. I'm 51 now, and I still think about it every day.

Nine years old, came home from school, found my mother in bed.  She'd overdosed on 'something' and convinced herself that she was pregnant and needed to get the baby out.  She used a pair of scissors.

And people wonder why I'm so farked up.


Perhaps they should be amazed that you're so normal. I've had you favorited for a long time.

You and I also possibly share ancestry. My great-grandfather was pure-blooded Comanche. He was the first Indian deeded land-owner in the Indian Territories. He married a white woman in the 1890s. I met her once, she lived until 1973. She came west on a covered wagon, and lived long enough to see a man land on the Moon.
 
2013-06-18 12:50:53 AM  
The kids heard about a video of someone killing themselves and tried to find it.
They found it.
They realized it was their daddy before he killed himself
They could have stopped watching at that point.
Sounds like an M. Night Shyamalan twist ending.

How did this get on youtube anyway?
 
2013-06-18 12:52:53 AM  

Infernalist: Oh hell.  If this actually happened the way that that they say it happened...

Yeah, those kids would be traumatized by it.  How much blame should be heaped upon Fox News is debatable.

But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.


That ship sailed a long time ago. Their father was named JoDon and wore sports jerseys.
 
2013-06-18 12:54:57 AM  
Way to pick out a winner, mom.
 
2013-06-18 12:55:57 AM  

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.


True, and there was nothing illegal about them showing the footage.  And Shepard Smith showed both responsibility by try to get the director to cut away and remorse after the fact.

But here's the question:  Those kids wanted to watch that video because their friends were talking about it, presumably having watched it themselves.  So would they have been just fine if it HADN'T been their father?
 
2013-06-18 12:56:33 AM  
Thanks Obama.
 
2013-06-18 12:56:54 AM  
televisions need control knobs and YT suicide videos should be labeled suicide video

/ oh crap, that's the way it are
 
2013-06-18 12:57:07 AM  
I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook.   If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.  They could say they had no intention of watching the car chase, much less the death.

As it stands, the mom allows them unsupervised internet access.   That's already guaranteeing that these kids are not innocent viewers.
 
2013-06-18 12:57:19 AM  

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.


THIS. well, that and the fact that the kids had an absentee gang member/felon crackhead as a father, that had had five kids through four different moms, at least one (and probably more) of which he was documented to have assaulted, whenever he wasn't actually in prison.

 for some reason i think the suicide may have a net positive effect, as after the shock wears off the end result is that he won't be there to fark them up further. maybe even serve a positive example now simply as an object lesson.

jasreflections.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-18 12:58:17 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: But, yeah, no doubt about it, kids watching their father commit suicide, that's going to leave emotional marks that'll last well into adulthood.

As someone who at age 11 spent three hours in a car in the driveway trying to convince his father not to kill himself, only to be awakened the next morning by my mother and finding out my father was dead, I can vouch. I'm 51 now, and I still think about it every day.

Nine years old, came home from school, found my mother in bed.  She'd overdosed on 'something' and convinced herself that she was pregnant and needed to get the baby out.  She used a pair of scissors.

And people wonder why I'm so farked up.

Perhaps they should be amazed that you're so normal. I've had you favorited for a long time.

You and I also possibly share ancestry. My great-grandfather was pure-blooded Comanche. He was the first Indian deeded land-owner in the Indian Territories. He married a white woman in the 1890s. I met her once, she lived until 1973. She came west on a covered wagon, and lived long enough to see a man land on the Moon.


Normal is boring.  But, thank you.
 
2013-06-18 01:00:49 AM  

CliChe Guevara: srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

THIS. well, that and the fact that the kids had an absentee gang member/felon crackhead as a father, that had had five kids through four different moms, at least one (and probably more) of which he was documented to have assaulted, whenever he wasn't actually in prison.

 for some reason i think the suicide may have a net positive effect, as after the shock wears off the end result is that he won't be there to fark them up further. maybe even serve a positive example now simply as an object lesson.

[jasreflections.files.wordpress.com image 850x586]


What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'

They'll be therapy for the next 30+ years and likely be suicidal in their adult years, too.
 
2013-06-18 01:02:46 AM  

Infernalist: PapaChester: "Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.

/f'in British grammar.

"Hey, you guys want to see a dead body?"

/obscure?


Not really...

Good movie, though.
 
2013-06-18 01:02:56 AM  
The man had a long criminal history. The woman knew what she was getting into. "Traumatized" kids are merely collateral damage, not the result of a heinous offense by a "news" channel.


Can't believe I'm defending FNC.
 
2013-06-18 01:03:09 AM  

Infernalist: What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'


therapy for sure, and not easy to shake i'll give you that, but look at the alternative;
it has to be easier to shake off than a crackhead felon wifebeater for a dad.
 
2013-06-18 01:04:04 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year


How about we pay them $100 and hang 20 million of them instead?
 
2013-06-18 01:04:58 AM  
Bad brain, no doughnut.

First thought hence the bad brain:  Won't someone think of Rick Romero
 
2013-06-18 01:05:28 AM  
FTA- "Angela Rodriguez, the mother of JoDon Romero's children"

Her anchor babies are all still alive. That should be compensation enough. Too bad the NRA lost another responsible member. They can't really afford to lose the ones with ethnic sounding last names.

/I await your scores
 
2013-06-18 01:06:50 AM  
It's nice to see so many people who can't even conceive of thinking 'Why the fark does a human killing themselves need to be publicly available for viewing?'

late stage hyper consumer capitalism, you done good.
 
2013-06-18 01:08:20 AM  

Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.


This.

There should always be a delay, if only a few seconds, of live TV, just so that shiat like this does not actually make it to the airwaves.

There might actually be, but what news mogul is going to hit the kill switch for a live suicide caught on video?

Responsible for the kid's trauma though?  No, their father is the only one to blame.

They should still get the shiat fined out of them for it.  Has to be big though, no slaps on the wrist.

I'm all for a lot of shiat on TV, but what amounts to a live snuff film is bad juju.
 
2013-06-18 01:09:38 AM  

CliChe Guevara: Infernalist: What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'

therapy for sure, and not easy to shake i'll give you that, but look at the alternative;
it has to be easier to shake off than a crackhead felon wifebeater for a dad.


Not really, no.  Having a parent kill himself is a horrible fate.  It does something to a kid that can't ever really be fixed.

Children of suicides have a high rate of suicide in turn when they reach adulthood.  Even if they don't give into the urges, the urges never ever really go away.

Having to actually see it?  I can imagine the damage is exponential.

Trust me, they'd have been better off with a crackhead father in prison and in and out of their lives.
 
2013-06-18 01:10:05 AM  
They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.
 
2013-06-18 01:10:45 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

This.

There should always be a delay, if only a few seconds, of live TV, just so that shiat like this does not actually make it to the airwaves.

There might actually be, but what news mogul is going to hit the kill switch for a live suicide caught on video?

Responsible for the kid's trauma though?  No, their father is the only one to blame.

They should still get the shiat fined out of them for it.  Has to be big though, no slaps on the wrist.

I'm all for a lot of shiat on TV, but what amounts to a live snuff film is bad juju.


It looked like there was a good faith effort to cut it, but it just slipped. It's not like they loaded up the reel and said watch this loser blow his brains out on a loop to Yakety Sax
 
2013-06-18 01:14:36 AM  

Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.


Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.
 
2013-06-18 01:15:33 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: omeganuepsilon: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

This.

There should always be a delay, if only a few seconds, of live TV, just so that shiat like this does not actually make it to the airwaves.

There might actually be, but what news mogul is going to hit the kill switch for a live suicide caught on video?

Responsible for the kid's trauma though?  No, their father is the only one to blame.

They should still get the shiat fined out of them for it.  Has to be big though, no slaps on the wrist.

I'm all for a lot of shiat on TV, but what amounts to a live snuff film is bad juju.

It looked like there was a good faith effort to cut it, but it just slipped. It's not like they loaded up the reel and said watch this loser blow his brains out on a loop to Yakety Sax


That last thing would have been great, though.

/I would be amazed if it isn't already Yakety Sax'd on Youtube
 
2013-06-18 01:19:46 AM  

Infernalist: Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.

Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.


The kids in question were 12-13 and 14-15. I think most kids have a decent handle on death by then. Sure, it sucks that they saw it, but they knew they were going to watch someone eat it.

I feel bad for them, but they sought it out. They have no one to blame but themselves.
 
2013-06-18 01:19:54 AM  
Video of a dad's suicide is what led to the antagonist in the movie Untraceable and everyone knows what a flop that was...

Anyway, the video should have been 18+ on Youtube. If it was, then that's a flawless legal defense. You kids don't obey Youtube's guidelines and you should kill yourself.
 
2013-06-18 01:20:14 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You may be right. He may be crazy. But it just might have been a lunatic she was searching for.


I hate you for that.  I'm gonna have to go find something else to replace that.
 
2013-06-18 01:20:22 AM  

maxx2112: Pick one:

A.

[cdn.stripersonline.com image 510x287]
uberhumor.com
or

B.

[www.micafeina.com image 604x403]


/ sucks to be you, but your husband / dad was news

 
2013-06-18 01:31:03 AM  

Chinchillazilla: Infernalist: Chinchillazilla: They were all excited to watch a video of some guy killing himself. When it turned out to be their dad, suddenly it's upsetting.

Life sucks, kids.

Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'.  They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is.  They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.

In this case, they got more than they bargained for or expected.  And now they're damaged for life.  It might be hard, but maybe you should try a little sympathy for some kids who unexpectedly witnessed their father's death on youtube.

The kids in question were 12-13 and 14-15. I think most kids have a decent handle on death by then. Sure, it sucks that they saw it, but they knew they were going to watch someone eat it.

I feel bad for them, but they sought it out. They have no one to blame but themselves.


They're kids.  And one of them was 9.  They do stupid things, that's their job.  And no, children don't really have a grasp on death at that age.  Most 'adults' would be traumatized by something like that and these are kids.

But, whatever.  People tend to be shallow and heartless, in general.  Continue on, good sir.
 
2013-06-18 01:31:21 AM  

Infernalist: Normal is boring.


Poor choice of words on my part, because I understand intimately what you have dealt with, and continue to deal with. I recently lost my mother, and it opened up a lot of wounds that I thought had been healed. You're absolutely right, things are never the same after. And you're right about the thoughts of suicide, I've had them all my life. I'd never inflict that kind of pain on my family, but I totally understand why my father took his life.

/peace on you
 
2013-06-18 01:34:13 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Infernalist: Normal is boring.

Poor choice of words on my part, because I understand intimately what you have dealt with, and continue to deal with. I recently lost my mother, and it opened up a lot of wounds that I thought had been healed. You're absolutely right, things are never the same after. And you're right about the thoughts of suicide, I've had them all my life. I'd never inflict that kind of pain on my family, but I totally understand why my father took his life.

/peace on you


Bingo.  It's my kids that keep me going in the bad times.  Mostly because I know what it would do to them if I actually did it.

But hey, you made it and I made it so there's hope yet.

Thanks for the kind words.
 
2013-06-18 01:53:02 AM  
While the  lawsuit does sound merit less, I have learned that in civilized areas of the  US such as Los Angeles they have instituted a 5 second tape delay in order to not show some loser shedding their mortal coil, they say it has to do with integrity and ethics.

Honestly, the news should not be a Faces of Death bonus reel.  If KTLA can do it for years so can Faux
 
2013-06-18 02:00:52 AM  

Infernalist: PapaChester: "Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching. "

They did not watch it live, the innocent little buggers rushed home to hopefully find a video of a stranger killing himself on youtube. The only thing that is needed in this case is a psychological evaluation of the 12 year olds who wanted to watch a man kill himself on TV/internet.

/f'in British grammar.

"Hey, you guys want to see a dead body?"

/obscure?


Why do people think quotes that I recognize might be obscure?
 
2013-06-18 02:06:24 AM  

Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...


One of my ex girlfriends had this happen when she was very young. It's sad, but I suspect it's the reason why she was so farking crazy.

/Not a cool story, bro.
 
2013-06-18 02:10:01 AM  

Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.


And Fox's admission of negligence, aka "severe human error."  The company believed that such scenes should not be aired.  It had policies and processes to prevent such airings.  It neglected to follow its  own rules, and injury to others resulted.
 
2013-06-18 02:12:29 AM  
"Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube"

Hummm, oh well
 
2013-06-18 02:17:44 AM  
I bet you this is one of many lawsuits the family has or is going to file. Im sure they will also sue the police, City, State, You name it.
 
2013-06-18 02:25:01 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

And Fox's admission of negligence, aka "severe human error."  The company believed that such scenes should not be aired.  It had policies and processes to prevent such airings.  It neglected to follow its  own rules, and injury to others resulted.


So then why go after fox news? Go after the station that actually filmed and beamed the footage. But I guess Fox has the deeper pockets.
 
2013-06-18 02:30:27 AM  
And further more... why not just go after youtube?
 
2013-06-18 02:30:35 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Infernalist: MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.

You're forgetting decency standards.

And Fox's admission of negligence, aka "severe human error."  The company believed that such scenes should not be aired.  It had policies and processes to prevent such airings.  It neglected to follow its  own rules, and injury to others resulted.


Fox News is a non-basic cable channel, no such thing as decency standards. All non-basic cable "standards and practices" are voluntary. Additionally, human error does not equal negligence. And on top of all of that, the kids didn't watch it on Fox News, they sought the video out on YouTube; specifically looking for a video of a man committing suicide.

FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed) and the kids were actively looking to view someone blowing their brains out.

/Ugh...that post was painful to type.
 
2013-06-18 02:36:15 AM  
FTA:  Filed earlier this month, the suit against Fox News Channel and its parent company News Corp alleges that on that day, Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realizing it was their father while watching.

So the kids thought, "Dude, did you hear that some guy killed himself on live TV. We've got to see that" and so they did. They were more than okay with seeing someone kill themselves as long as it wasn't anyone they knew. IMHO, that severely undercuts their "Won't anyone think of the children" argument.
 
2013-06-18 02:44:55 AM  

MrBentor: Fox has no real liability here... They showed an event live as it happens, in public view... Anything seen from public view is fair game. Yeah it is crass, but protected as newsworthy. The plaintiff has no claim.


Except breasts, occasionally. I realize this wasn't on a 'broadcast' network, but it's still an odd thought in terms of the amount of fines for a shirt being pulled open.
 
2013-06-18 02:51:55 AM  
Darwin steps up to the plate, he is only 1 for 4 today.
 
2013-06-18 02:55:32 AM  

srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.


Also, it was on YouTube.  Why not sue them?  Google has deep pockets.  Should Fox have been able to predict the suicide?  Are they responsible for not issuing a take-down request?

I'd be willing to bet the kids who "heard" about this video at school were just told to say they had watched and were traumatized by it to manufacture a lawsuit.

And seriously, if your father committed suicide, why would you want to see a similar suicide on YouTube?
 
2013-06-18 03:19:18 AM  

FuzedBox: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

One of my ex girlfriends had this happen when she was very young. It's sad, but I suspect it's the reason why she was so farking crazy.

/Not a cool story, bro.


In this day and age, cops just assume murder-suicide. My uncle committed suicide a couple months ago away from home, via rifle (really). The cops, in full protective gear, invaded my aunt and uncle's house (in the early morning hours; my aunt was sleeping) with guns drawn. What an awful way to be woken up and find out your husband is dead from suicide.
 
2013-06-18 03:20:35 AM  

Manfred J. Hattan: If this suit moves forward it will do more to protect copyrights and aid takedown requests than the RIAA has done in its whole history.


You're probably right.

It's also the publishers, though, and not just the labels.
 
2013-06-18 04:10:00 AM  

ShadowWolf: I smell bullshiat...-sniff sniff- No .. no that is money out of court settlement.


Ah, the out of court settlement.  Truly the "that's nice.  Here, little annoying girl, take this shiny quarter and go buy yourself a lolly while the adults continue doing actual important things" of the US court system.
 
2013-06-18 04:41:01 AM  

Infernalist: Kids generally don't treat death as something serious or 'real'. They're not mature enough to grasp the reality of what a death is. They know it 'mentally', but they're not grasping the horror of it because it's too big for them to grasp.


What kind of idyllic childhood did you have? ...or were other children not terrified by people they love dying?
 
2013-06-18 05:59:51 AM  

Infernalist: srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.

Having a parent kill himself is going to be traumatic.  But nothing close to the amount of damage done by actually witnessing it.

And there 'are' decency standards for television.  No nudity and no 'real' graphic violence.  I'm sure Fox News didn't go into this expecting a suicide on live TV, but all the same, there's some level of responsibility that they have to take for the footage that they filmed.


I hate to disagree with you or defend Fox, but the FCC doesn't regulate cable. At all. Cable content is regulated only by the station's sponsors. Even network television could broadcast hardcore porn without a fine if they wanted to, as long as it was between 10 pm and 6 am. The mother doesn't have a legitimate case against Fox, although Fox could have one against Youtube for hosting copyrighted content.
 
2013-06-18 06:03:05 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: TheSwizz: What Hispanic, in their right mind, would watch Fox News? Smelling the bullshiat.

Hispanics, as a group, are generally very socially conservative.


That's what Fox would have you believe.
 
2013-06-18 06:10:51 AM  

Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.


What sort of logic is that?
 
xcv
2013-06-18 06:28:23 AM  

Infernalist: CliChe Guevara: Infernalist: What's cute is that you think it's shock.  Or that it 'wears off.'

therapy for sure, and not easy to shake i'll give you that, but look at the alternative;
it has to be easier to shake off than a crackhead felon wifebeater for a dad.

Not really, no.  Having a parent kill himself is a horrible fate.  It does something to a kid that can't ever really be fixed.

Children of suicides have a high rate of suicide in turn when they reach adulthood.  Even if they don't give into the urges, the urges never ever really go away.

Having to actually see it?  I can imagine the damage is exponential.


Could also be attributed to mental illness often being hereditary.
 
2013-06-18 06:31:33 AM  
Came home from school one day when I was 13, found mom had left the old-style coffee percolator on the stove.

[sniff]

Ok, so it's not so csb........ I had a sheltered life.

/........ but the locked doors should have been a big hint......
 
2013-06-18 06:42:21 AM  
More evidence of litigation gone wild (sounds like a lawyer porn... Now I'm strangely thinking of what a lawyer porn would be lol). Seriously this would not fly in any country but America. And just 10 years ago she would be punched in the face for even thinking about suing over this. 'Merica I am disappoint. Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.
 
2013-06-18 06:45:01 AM  

Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...


in mine the 16 y/o son comes home to find dad OD with a needle in his arm.
 
2013-06-18 06:55:19 AM  

fullyautomatic: Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.


probably -all- of them will get some money, he had enough anchor baby mommas for them to qualify for a class action suit. you just know if money looks like its going to roll in for one, they are all going to jump on that bandwagon
 
2013-06-18 07:14:43 AM  
Lol yeah, and maybe I was being too cynical. But seriously I mean where does it end... If I watched some craptube video of my great uncle dying, do I get to sue? What about the documentaries about native American Indians dying, can I sue for that because of my ancestry? Those are ridiculous I know, just sayin, the "I'll sue you" system is out of control. This is why ppl hate lawyers.


/did personally receive a verrrrry small settlement from the govt for severe injuries in Iraq
//did so without any lawyers
///will be in physical therapy for life.
Who gives a fark lol
 
2013-06-18 07:18:29 AM  

Abacus9: Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.

What sort of logic is that?


The difference is who is responsible for the kids watching the disturbing material. The fact of the matter is that the mother is claiming that Fox News is responsible (or has culpable liability) for her kids seeing this video.

Fox accidentally aired a suicide, which the kids later sought out from a different source (YouTube, in this case). In the video from the live broadcast, you can hear Shep Smith yelling to cut the feed before the act takes place; they failed to cut the feed. This displays a good faith attempt to NOT show the offensive footage. As soon as the came back from commercial, they apologized for the incident and didn't rerun any of the footage.

During class, these teenagers heard about the on-air suicide. After school, they went on YouTube and actively searched for a copy of the video of the live airing. They had every intention of viewing a man die for entertainment purposes and that makes all the difference in the world in a liability case.

Let's say, for example, the kids had been watching a rerun of "How I Met Your Mother" and all they wanted to watch was NPH being awesome. Then, Fox breaks into the broadcast to show the footage. Fox would have some liability because they shoved the footage at the kids. In the real case, though, Fox attempted to stop people from seeing the footage, failed and the kids went looking for it, making the kids responsible for what they watched.
 
2013-06-18 07:30:42 AM  
When first reading TFA I though it said John Romero suicided, and I got a bit excited.


/going to hell
 
2013-06-18 07:49:24 AM  

CliChe Guevara: fullyautomatic: Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.

probably -all- of them will get some money, he had enough anchor baby mommas for them to qualify for a class action suit. you just know if money looks like its going to roll in for one, they are all going to jump on that bandwagon


Have you been told recently how much of a racist/ethnicist douche you are? Well, here, let me: you are a racist/ethnicist douche of the highest caliber. There is, literally, zero evidence that either of the two mothers of Jodon Romero's kids are anything but U.S. Citizens. Oh, but they must be illegal. Just look at their skin tone and last names. With names likes Rodriguez and brown skin, they must be here illegally looking to cash in on that fat welfare cash and dropping anchor babies like it's going out of style.

Asshole.
 
2013-06-18 07:53:19 AM  
She let her kids watch Fox news. She should have her crotchlings taken away and her tubes tied.
 
2013-06-18 08:09:29 AM  
Let me guess, she found out his life insurance won't pay out on a suicide so she has to sue somebody to get some payout.
 
2013-06-18 08:11:17 AM  
news.bbcimg.co.uk

No kids. that's not your daddy on the TV. I'm talking to your daddy on the phone right now. What's that dear? You got a job as an astronaut truck driver? That's great. I'm sure the kids will be happy. Your first job to is to drive the space truck to Neptune to pick up a load of space ice? No cell phone service past Mars, huh? Well, I'll let the kids talk to you now. Oh, you're almost to the Mars exit? Well, I tell the kids. What? I can't hear you. Well, take care and call when you come back in 25 years.
 
2013-06-18 08:14:23 AM  
They have shown pictures of death and destruction for hundreds of years.  Only today does it become a traumatizing experience,  Yes, even the jungle gym is now traumatizing too.
 
2013-06-18 08:15:30 AM  
Who prevented the children from looking up a live suicide online?   Debate not the fact it was their father, but that they actively searched for live suicide on youtube.

Litigious society.
 
2013-06-18 08:19:24 AM  
If they had watched it live then I could understand but not after the fact, and not on youtube. Why isn't she suing google?
 
2013-06-18 08:20:14 AM  

Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...


When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.
 
2013-06-18 08:21:41 AM  
Eldritch is right,  ethnicity shouldn't be part of the conversation. I don't know what an anchor baby is,  but it sounds inappropriate.
 
2013-06-18 08:23:42 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.


Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.
 
2013-06-18 08:24:30 AM  

eldritch2k4: FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed)


Not that I take the litigant's position here, but if I was going to broadcast that suicide intentionally, I'd make sure Shepherd Smith spent time screaming to cut the feed, too.
 
2013-06-18 08:25:58 AM  

cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.


I once ordered a coke at a drive-thru and got a diet-coke instead.

/I could tell it was serious because the 911 operator was really upset.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:45 AM  

vygramul: cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.

I once ordered a coke at a drive-thru and got a diet-coke instead.

/I could tell it was serious because the 911 operator was really upset.


That's because you didn't get him one, and you forgot your anniversary again.
 
2013-06-18 08:48:29 AM  
Sounds like a setup for a payout
 
2013-06-18 08:52:55 AM  

vygramul: eldritch2k4: FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed)

Not that I take the litigant's position here, but if I was going to broadcast that suicide intentionally, I'd make sure Shepherd Smith spent time screaming to cut the feed, too.


While that is a possibility, based on empirical evidence, Shep is the closest thing Fox News has to something resembling an anchor with integrity.
 
2013-06-18 09:30:57 AM  
A news agency showing a live feed of a suicide? Well, there's a first time for everything.
americanfreepress.net
You know you want to see it.

Or...maybe you don't...
 
2013-06-18 09:58:51 AM  
The mother of three children of a US man whose suicide was inadvertently broadcast live on Fox News Channel has sued the network, claiming infliction of emotional distress.

If that were the case, I think we'd be able to sue Fox for...well, just about everything they broadcast.
 
2013-06-18 10:00:21 AM  

eldritch2k4: vygramul: eldritch2k4: FNC has no liability here. They made a good faith attempt to not show the suicide (as evidenced by Shepherd Smith screaming to cut the feed)

Not that I take the litigant's position here, but if I was going to broadcast that suicide intentionally, I'd make sure Shepherd Smith spent time screaming to cut the feed, too.

While that is a possibility, based on empirical evidence, Shep is the closest thing Fox News has to something resembling an anchor with integrity.


Concur.
 
2013-06-18 10:28:53 AM  
We should make suicide illegal. That will solve the problem.

An actual suicide.
 
2013-06-18 10:36:50 AM  

cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.


If they killed the whole family why do you think was she spared?  Just curious.
 
2013-06-18 10:46:03 AM  

wambu: We should make suicide illegal. That will solve the problem.

An actual suicide.


I clicked on it because I figured when you said, "actual," you meant someone ruining their career or something, since no one disputes that this story was an actual suicide. You should have said, "Still of the exact moment in the vid," or something similar.
 
2013-06-18 10:54:21 AM  

cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.


The 9-year-old niece of my wife did better at least.  Mom's boyfriend shot and killed Mom and then shot her.  She played dead, and boyfriend then killed himself.  She managed to recover and move on: her life is fairly messed up but my guess is that only part of that was the shooting.  The whole family branch is pretty dysfunctional

Spent two weeks at Grandma's house dealing with all of that.  Man, that was a fun Christmas...
 
2013-06-18 11:01:06 AM  

vygramul: wambu: We should make suicide illegal. That will solve the problem.

An actual suicide.

I clicked on it because I figured when you said, "actual," you meant someone ruining their career or something, since no one disputes that this story was an actual suicide. You should have said, "Still of the exact moment in the vid," or something similar.


It's early for me. I do my best work in the late afternoon.
 
2013-06-18 11:36:07 AM  

eldritch2k4: CliChe Guevara: fullyautomatic: Sadly, the court system is so overly PC now, that she'll probably win some money... None of which this lady is going to give to her children.

probably -all- of them will get some money, he had enough anchor baby mommas for them to qualify for a class action suit. you just know if money looks like its going to roll in for one, they are all going to jump on that bandwagon

Have you been told recently how much of a racist/ethnicist douche you are? Well, here, let me: you are a racist/ethnicist douche of the highest caliber. There is, literally, zero evidence that either of the two mothers of Jodon Romero's kids are anything but U.S. Citizens. Oh, but they must be illegal. Just look at their skin tone and last names. With names likes Rodriguez and brown skin, they must be here illegally looking to cash in on that fat welfare cash and dropping anchor babies like it's going out of style.

Asshole.


 gee, either I am a racist asshole, or i actually, you know, am quoting facts from available news sources.

 nice to see which one you immediately jump to first.

/but i am a douche. you are correct there.
 
2013-06-18 11:36:58 AM  

Cold_Sassy: cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.

If they killed the whole family why do you think was she spared?  Just curious.


She asked herself that for a long time too. Who knows
 
2013-06-18 11:39:08 AM  

The Lone Gunman: srhp29: I'm pretty sure the dude killing himself inflicted the emotional distress.

Also, freedom of the press.

True, and there was nothing illegal about them showing the footage.  And Shepard Smith showed both responsibility by try to get the director to cut away and remorse after the fact.

But here's the question:  Those kids wanted to watch that video because their friends were talking about it, presumably having watched it themselves.  So would they have been just fine if it HADN'T been their father?


They probably would have been joking about it at school the next day being vicious like most kids.
 
2013-06-18 11:39:26 AM  
so it only took... 9 months for her to come up with this suit.

in the article it says:
On 28 September Romero shot himself in the head at the end of an hour-long police chase after stealing a car at gunpoint, as a news helicopter flew overhead. Police officials said he had a long criminal history and was wanted for parole violations.
Post-traumatic stress disorder
Filed earlier this month, the suit against Fox News Channel and its parent company News Corp alleges that on that day, Romero's children heard rumours at school of a suicide on live television. They went home and searched for the footage on YouTube, only realising it was their father while watching.
 

So the kids found out at school, the exact day that it happened, and have been traumatized since?  way to wait 9 months to file a suit.  bills must be stacking up from all those therapist visits....  oh wait, it doesn't say they ever went to any type of therapy!

This is why our society sucks.  Now she's looking for easy money.
 
2013-06-18 11:40:22 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.

The 9-year-old niece of my wife did better at least.  Mom's boyfriend shot and killed Mom and then shot her.  She played dead, and boyfriend then killed himself.  She managed to recover and move on: her life is fairly messed up but my guess is that only part of that was the shooting.  The whole family branch is pretty dysfunctional

Spent two weeks at Grandma's house dealing with all of that.  Man, that was a fun Christmas...


Even more "fun" is Christmas Eve day.  Woman and her husband are prepping for their family coming in to spend Eve, Day, and 2 weeks with them.  Husband goes grocery shopping. Wife goes into garage, runs a hose from the exhaust into the car, and sits in the drivers seat.  Husband comes home and finds her dead.  Out of town family arrives in time to see the ambulance leaving.
 
2013-06-18 11:42:08 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Omahawg: hell, i know someone who came home from school to find daddy had killed mommy and then himself.

talk about traumatic...

When I was in high school, one of my classmates went home to find that his mother had hung herself.  His father was a minister.  He was a very nice boy and I always felt badly for him for having to go through that.

Since we're on the topic of horrible things.

I once met a girl whose family was murdered in front of her in a home break-in.  It took her 3 years to come out of a catatonic state.

The 9-year-old niece of my wife did better at least.  Mom's boyfriend shot and killed Mom and then shot her.  She played dead, and boyfriend then killed himself.  She managed to recover and move on: her life is fairly messed up but my guess is that only part of that was the shooting.  The whole family branch is pretty dysfunctional

Spent two weeks at Grandma's house dealing with all of that.  Man, that was a fun Christmas...


re what I just replied to you with:  That was either 1996 or 1997. I can't remember anymore.  I didn't know either of them well, but that Christmas wasn't a happy affair.
 
2013-06-18 12:29:26 PM  
SamSamSam a month ago

I'm reading through the comments, and I'm absolutely mortified. Are we as human beings not only condoning, but actively supporting the death of another person, regardless of their criminal history? This is what news sensationalism does to us as people. It degrades the human condition, and afflicts us with a collective sense of cognitive dissonance, so that the plight of others is nothing more than another reality show to be watched on television. Personally, this event, its reporting and the multitude of other car chases that are covered every year are far too similar to the horrifying scene of Montag being hunted in Fahrenheit 451.


I guess some of y'all won't be satisfied with this kinda rubbernecking until we bring back gladiatorial games, swords, lions, scarlet helmet plumes, and all.
 
2013-06-18 12:34:04 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: I say we pay all lawyers 20 million a year with the catch that we randomly hang 100 of them a year


Yes, let's return to the good old days of resolving conflicts through violence, rather than peacefully in court, under the rule of law!

/Anti-legal people are idiots.  I hope you remember your disdain for lawyers next time you find yourself sitting in a jail cell because some dick-swinging high school drop-out cop decides you looked at him funny.

//Not a lawyer
 
2013-06-18 02:10:11 PM  

fullyautomatic: I don't know what an anchor baby is, but it sounds inappropriate.


Indeed, totally inappropriate... Babies are far too light and buoyant to be used as a proper anchor... The boat would just drift away!
 
2013-06-18 02:34:50 PM  
Money grab
 
2013-06-18 03:03:37 PM  
Is anyone missing the fact that the kids were going to watch someone commit suicide on the internet. It's not like they stumbled across it on accident. AND I'm probably fairly sure that Fox didn't put the version with the actual suicide on the internet. As much as it pains me to say... Fox isn't in the wrong.

Also, the article is confusing. It says that the kids learned about someone shooting himself on live tv from rumors at school, but then later says the kids haven't been to school since the incident. In addition, why did they wait almost a year to file the lawsuit? This whole thing is weird.
 
2013-06-18 05:07:40 PM  

Kittypie070: SamSamSam a month ago

I'm reading through the comments, and I'm absolutely mortified. Are we as human beings not only condoning, but actively supporting the death of another person, regardless of their criminal history? This is what news sensationalism does to us as people. It degrades the human condition, and afflicts us with a collective sense of cognitive dissonance, so that the plight of others is nothing more than another reality show to be watched on television. Personally, this event, its reporting and the multitude of other car chases that are covered every year are far too similar to the horrifying scene of Montag being hunted in Fahrenheit 451.

I guess some of y'all won't be satisfied with this kinda rubbernecking until we bring back gladiatorial games, swords, lions, scarlet helmet plumes, and all.


I want to be able to watch the drone feeds live.
 
2013-06-18 06:01:38 PM  
Cry me a river you money grubbing B!thch. You should pay better attention to what your kids are looking up on the Internet. Your husband sure didn't.
 
2013-06-18 06:52:42 PM  
for a NIED suit to succeed in Az the defendant must be responsible for the death. unless Fox News shot the guy the plaintiff cannot win.
 
2013-06-19 12:18:19 AM  

eldritch2k4: Abacus9: Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.

What sort of logic is that?

The difference is who is responsible for the kids watching the disturbing material. The fact of the matter is that the mother is claiming that Fox News is responsible (or has culpable liability) for her kids seeing this video.

Fox accidentally aired a suicide, which the kids later sought out from a different source (YouTube, in this case). In the video from the live broadcast, you can hear Shep Smith yelling to cut the feed before the act takes place; they failed to cut the feed. This displays a good faith attempt to NOT show the offensive footage. As soon as the came back from commercial, they apologized for the incident and didn't rerun any of the footage.

During class, these teenagers heard about the on-air suicide. After school, they went on YouTube and actively searched for a copy of the video of the live airing. They had every intention of viewing a man die for entertainment purposes and that makes all the difference in the world in a liability case.

Let's say, for example, the kids had been watching a rerun of "How I Met Your Mother" and all they wanted to watch was NPH being awesome. Then, Fox breaks into the broadcast to show the footage. Fox would have some liability because they shoved the footage at the kids. In the real case, though, Fox attempted to stop people from seeing the footage, failed and the kids went looking for it, making the kids responsible for what they watched.


In a court of law, everything you said is completely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is: Did they show it legally. The answer is yes. Case closed.
 
2013-06-19 02:16:56 AM  

Abacus9: eldritch2k4: Abacus9: Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.

What sort of logic is that?

The difference is who is responsible for the kids watching the disturbing material. The fact of the matter is that the mother is claiming that Fox News is responsible (or has culpable liability) for her kids seeing this video.

Fox accidentally aired a suicide, which the kids later sought out from a different source (YouTube, in this case). In the video from the live broadcast, you can hear Shep Smith yelling to cut the feed before the act takes place; they failed to cut the feed. This displays a good faith attempt to NOT show the offensive footage. As soon as the came back from commercial, they apologized for the incident and didn't rerun any of the footage.

During class, these teenagers heard about the on-air suicide. After school, they went on YouTube and actively searched for a copy of the video of the live airing. They had every intention of viewing a man die for entertainment purposes and that makes all the difference in the world in a liability case.

Let's say, for example, the kids had been watching a rerun of "How I Met Your Mother" and all they wanted to watch was NPH being awesome. Then, Fox breaks into the broadcast to show the footage. Fox would have some liability because they shoved the footage at the kids. In the real case, though, Fox attempted to stop people from seeing the footage, failed and the kids went looking for it, making the kids responsible for what they watched.

In a court of law, everything you said is completely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is: Did they show it legally. The answer is yes. Case closed.


What cereal box did you order your law degree from?
 
2013-06-19 03:19:52 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: Abacus9: eldritch2k4: Abacus9: Birnone: I'm on the side that says the fact that they intended to view a video of a guy killing himself lets the tv people off the hook. If Fox had interrupted a show in progress to show the chase, and these kids saw it that way it'd be different.

What sort of logic is that?

The difference is who is responsible for the kids watching the disturbing material. The fact of the matter is that the mother is claiming that Fox News is responsible (or has culpable liability) for her kids seeing this video.

Fox accidentally aired a suicide, which the kids later sought out from a different source (YouTube, in this case). In the video from the live broadcast, you can hear Shep Smith yelling to cut the feed before the act takes place; they failed to cut the feed. This displays a good faith attempt to NOT show the offensive footage. As soon as the came back from commercial, they apologized for the incident and didn't rerun any of the footage.

During class, these teenagers heard about the on-air suicide. After school, they went on YouTube and actively searched for a copy of the video of the live airing. They had every intention of viewing a man die for entertainment purposes and that makes all the difference in the world in a liability case.

Let's say, for example, the kids had been watching a rerun of "How I Met Your Mother" and all they wanted to watch was NPH being awesome. Then, Fox breaks into the broadcast to show the footage. Fox would have some liability because they shoved the footage at the kids. In the real case, though, Fox attempted to stop people from seeing the footage, failed and the kids went looking for it, making the kids responsible for what they watched.

In a court of law, everything you said is completely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is: Did they show it legally. The answer is yes. Case closed.

What cereal box did you order your law degree from?


Where did you get yours? They can't sue a news network for showing breaking news no matter how sad it makes them. The network would have to be proven liable for showing something they shouldn't, whether it upsets the kids or not. Cable TV is not FCC regulated. Period. It anything, Fox would have a case against Youtube for hosting their copyrighted material.
 
2013-06-19 03:20:32 AM  
If, even
 
2013-06-19 06:30:26 AM  
Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!
who cares
they're kids of D-bag
and a mom who likes bad people

if you don't want the kids to see daddy end himself like a coward
then don't hitch up with a guy who endangers others in a stolen car
..then ends himself like a coward
 
2013-06-19 08:16:42 AM  

FFCRASH9: Cry me a river you money grubbing B!thch. You should pay better attention to what your kids are looking up on the Internet. Your husband sure didn't.


You're right. No sane person watches any news channel with their little kids.
 
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