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(Miami Herald)   Obama administration releases list of Guantanamo's 'indefinite detainees', 48 men who will never stand trial nor go free   (miamiherald.com) divider line 152
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2013-06-18 08:53:39 PM  

tbeatty: Why would we do that?  It's not our "mistake."  We didn't keep German POW's or Irawi POW's.  We sent them home if they didn't commit war crimes.  Heck, we deport 90 year old's without trial just based on their immigration application from 1945.  There is no reason why they should ever step foot in this country.  Until their own countries accept them, keep them in Gitmo.  Fully subsidized as you insist.


So spending ten years of your life in prison for something you didn't do wouldn't be a mistake?  If they're found not guilty we owe these guys HUGE restitution, not just a slap on the ass and a "nice to know ya".

These poor schmucks need to be tried in open court, stat.  If they're guilty, awesome; move their sorry asses to Florence ADX or the chair as the case dictates.  IF not guilty, and their home county won't take them I think we need to offer them asylum on US soil.  We're the ones that f*cked their lives.
 
2013-06-19 12:26:49 AM  

tbeatty: DeArmondVI: DeArmondVI: tbeatty: DeArmondVI: tbeatty: DeArmondVI: Guantanamo Bay is a stain on our country. People are correct in seeing us as monsters because of it. Not only monsters, but hypocritical monters afraid of our own values when confronted with adversity.

Only retards would see that.  We would happily return them if their countries would take them.  In fact, if any of those people who think we are monsters would like to take these men, they are welcome to.  But they won't.

It's their fault, not ours!

Cliff Notestm couldn't have made a better summary of modern America.

It's pretty simple.  You won't put them in your house.  Their own country won't take htem.  They aren't U.S. Citizens.  "Letting them go" implies they have somewhere to go, which they don't.  .

"Coming up with how to fix our mistake is hard. So let's just keep making the same mistake."

We should put them on trial (you know, that whole "believing in our own values" thing). Those found guilty go to prison. Those found innocent not guilty should get to live subsidized lives on our dime for the rest of their lives. Hell, if one wants to live in my apartment, my doors are wide open.

Correcting mistakes requires not passing the buck elsewhere and being willing to sacrifice.

FTFM

Why would we do that?  It's not our "mistake."  We didn't keep German POW's or Irawi POW's.  We sent them home if they didn't commit war crimes.  Heck, we deport 90 year old's without trial just based on their immigration application from 1945.  There is no reason why they should ever step foot in this country.  Until their own countries accept them, keep them in Gitmo.  Fully subsidized as you insist.


Was our "war on terror" actually made via a Congressional declaration of war? If so, then I apologize for not understanding that these unprosecuted alleged criminals are, in fact, POWs.

If they're guilty, lock 'em up. If not, they should go free. If their home countries don't want them, it is up to us (being the ones who kidnapped them, forced them into animal cages, and humiliated them for over a decade) to make amends.

You seem to take umbridge with the concept of taking personal responsibility for having made the massive mistake of creating the Guantanamo Bay facility. You seem to want somebody else to make it right, rather than have us do so. I was raised by my family and faith to take responsibility for when I screw up. Guantanamo Bay was done by our government, in our name, and so I am more than willing to open up the doors of my humble abode to any prisoner found not guilty. It appears that you may not have been raised with those same kind of values, and that is a shame.

Or, perhaps, you agree with former Attorney General Edwin Meese, who once said, "[T]he thing is you don't have many suspects who are innocent of a crime. That's contradictory. If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect." If that is the case, then I am sad to say that there is no room for reconciliation between our views.
 
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