Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The New York Times)   Supreme Court states Arizona can not require citizens to submit drivers license, birth certificate, AAA membership, citizenship papers, AARP card, passport, AND frequent flyer card before voting   (nytimes.com ) divider line
    More: Hero, supreme courts, National Voter Registration Act, Stephen G. Breyer, Alito, Scalia, Sonia Sotomayor  
•       •       •

2028 clicks; posted to Politics » on 17 Jun 2013 at 6:20 PM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



363 Comments   (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-06-17 03:47:33 PM  
Now you don't have to prove your a citizen to register to vote. That just seems wrong to me.

I can't vote in Mexico, heck I can't even legally attend a political demonstration in Mexico without the possibility of arrest and deportation. Yes, Mexico does indeed deport people for simply demonstrating for environmental causes and other 'political' demonstrations.

I don't think it is too much to ask for each one of us to prove we are citizens and eligible to vote.

No other country would allow anyone to register to vote with nothing more than a form and a signature. Canada requires more, Bermuda requires more, Ireland requires more, Zimbabwe requires more, yet we can't ask for proof of citizenship.

Simply amazing.
 
2013-06-17 03:57:13 PM  

feckingmorons: I don't think it is too much to ask for each one of us to prove we are citizens and eligible to vote.


the simple fact of the matter is that voter fraud is NOT A PROBLEM in this country.  most people here illegally are too afraid of getting caught to register and if you're really afraid of people voting more than once:

nimg.sulekha.com
 
2013-06-17 04:09:36 PM  

doublesecretprobation: feckingmorons: I don't think it is too much to ask for each one of us to prove we are citizens and eligible to vote.

the simple fact of the matter is that voter fraud is NOT A PROBLEM in this country.  most people here illegally are too afraid of getting caught to register and if you're really afraid of people voting more than once:

[nimg.sulekha.com image 640x453]


Bolded for truth. The only folks in an uproar over imaginary "millions of people committing voter fraud" are people who are afraid certain groups might vote for a Democratic party candidate. To combat that imaginary problem, they insist on ridiculous amounts of ID. Two forms of ID (including your voter registration card) should be plenty.
 
2013-06-17 04:58:38 PM  

feckingmorons: I don't think it is too much to ask for each one of us to prove we are citizens and eligible to vote.


A lot of illegal status non-citizens chomping at the bit to submit all of their information for government scrutiny just to cast a single vote, are there?
 
2013-06-17 05:01:59 PM  
What about requiring NRA membership?
 
2013-06-17 05:03:59 PM  
They didn't get the chance to rule on voting laws... only that Arizona didn't have the right to create their own rules in a federal election.
 
2013-06-17 05:04:43 PM  

Lost Thought 00: What about requiring NRA membership?




In Arizona, you are automatically enrolled.
 
2013-06-17 05:08:10 PM  

netizencain: Arizona didn't have the right to create their own rules in a federal election.


Bears repeating.
 
2013-06-17 05:09:07 PM  
ACTAVIST JUDEGES!
 
2013-06-17 05:09:55 PM  

netizencain: They didn't get the chance to rule on voting laws... only that Arizona didn't have the right to create their own rules in a federal election.


Which is many ways is a much more broad and sweeping ruling.
 
2013-06-17 05:13:16 PM  

feckingmorons: Bermuda requires more


Seriously how many people live in Bermuda? I couple thousand? Everyone probably knows everyone else there.
 
2013-06-17 05:13:30 PM  
The real surprise (to me) is that it was a 7-2 decision and Scalia wrote the majority opinion.
 
2013-06-17 05:23:08 PM  

doublesecretprobation: the simple fact of the matter is that voter fraud is NOT A PROBLEM in this country.


With what authority do you proclaim that a fact. I can cite several recent prosecutions and convictions for voter fraud. Simply saying it does not make it a fact.

Should we discontinue medical licensing and those really hard tests because medical license fraud is not a problem in this country? They can just sign a form that says they went to medical school and know everything they need to know.
 
2013-06-17 05:24:54 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: netizencain: Arizona didn't have the right to create their own rules in a federal election.

Bears repeating.


Yes, and Arizona can, and probably will, require proof of citizenship to vote in non-federal elections.

I don't see providing proof of citizenship to be a significant hardship to anyone who is a citizen and wishes to vote. If they can do it in Zimbabwe I'm sure we can do it easily.
 
2013-06-17 05:26:21 PM  

johnnieconnie: The real surprise (to me) is that it was a 7-2 decision and Scalia wrote the majority opinion.


The decision makes complete sense. Federal law currently precludes it.

The laws that allow it are complete nonsense.
 
2013-06-17 05:41:22 PM  

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: netizencain: Arizona didn't have the right to create their own rules in a federal election.

Bears repeating.

Yes, and Arizona can, and probably will, require proof of citizenship to vote in non-federal elections.

I don't see providing proof of citizenship to be a significant hardship to anyone who is a citizen and wishes to vote. If they can do it in Zimbabwe I'm sure we can do it easily.


This is a video tutorial on how to register online to vote in Oregon

You have to provide the number to your driver's license or state ID card. This is important since Oregon is a 100% vote-by-mail state and the signature on your driver's license or state ID card is compared with that on the return envelope when you mail your ballot in.
 
2013-06-17 05:45:34 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: netizencain: Arizona didn't have the right to create their own rules in a federal election.

Bears repeating.

Yes, and Arizona can, and probably will, require proof of citizenship to vote in non-federal elections.

I don't see providing proof of citizenship to be a significant hardship to anyone who is a citizen and wishes to vote. If they can do it in Zimbabwe I'm sure we can do it easily.

This is a video tutorial on how to register online to vote in Oregon

You have to provide the number to your driver's license or state ID card. This is important since Oregon is a 100% vote-by-mail state and the signature on your driver's license or state ID card is compared with that on the return envelope when you mail your ballot in.


Well, apparently it's not going to let me link to the video tutorial, but when you fill out an Oregon voter registration form, whether on paper or online, you have to provide the above mentioned number.
 
2013-06-17 05:46:01 PM  

johnnieconnie: The real surprise (to me) is that it was a 7-2 decision and Scalia wrote the majority opinion.


I think the real shocker is that Thomas actually disagreed with him.
 
2013-06-17 05:47:37 PM  
It's one thing to require state issued ID to vote. It's another thing to allow stuff like NRA membership cards yet disallow student IDs, for example.
 
2013-06-17 05:57:26 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Lost Thought 00: What about requiring NRA membership?

In Arizona, you are automatically enrolled.


You're not far off. I had to join the NRA in 7th grade when I was 12 years old, because you have to have a hunter's safety course if you want to hunt when you're 13. My hunter's safety course teacher was also my 7th grade English teacher. Classes were at her house on Saturdays.

/not currently a member of the NRA
 
2013-06-17 05:59:29 PM  
With the number of citizens bothering to cast a ballot at all it just makes sense to make it as difficult as possible.
 
2013-06-17 06:02:56 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Darth_Lukecash: Lost Thought 00: What about requiring NRA membership?

In Arizona, you are automatically enrolled.

You're not far off. I had to join the NRA in 7th grade when I was 12 years old, because you have to have a hunter's safety course if you want to hunt when you're 13. My hunter's safety course teacher was also my 7th grade English teacher. Classes were at her house on Saturdays.

/not currently a member of the NRA


...was she a hottie?
 
2013-06-17 06:19:16 PM  

feckingmorons: Now you don't have to prove your a citizen to register to vote.


Did you have to do that last time you registered? Or did you just hand over your driver's license?
 
2013-06-17 06:19:51 PM  

fusillade762: johnnieconnie: The real surprise (to me) is that it was a 7-2 decision and Scalia wrote the majority opinion.

I think the real shocker is that Thomas actually disagreed with him.


Do you think that Thomas disagreed with him by accident?
Thomas just assumed that scalia would be all in favor of states' rights and went ahead without waiting for the puppet master to decide for him.
 
2013-06-17 06:24:32 PM  
It's not about showing an ID. I do that here. It's about showing proof of citizenship; and multiple ID.  Which means it's basically a poll tax as you can't get Birth Certs for free. Also, we don't (as the other countries mentioned by FM) have a national ID card for citizens.
Would you really want a national ID card? Is the real question here.
 
2013-06-17 06:26:16 PM  

feckingmorons: No other country would allow anyone to register to vote with nothing more than a form and a signature. Canada requires more, Bermuda requires more, Ireland requires more, Zimbabwe requires more, yet we can't ask for proof of citizenship.


You are forgetting that America is exceptional.
 
2013-06-17 06:26:47 PM  

2wolves: ecmoRandomNumbers: Darth_Lukecash: Lost Thought 00: What about requiring NRA membership?

In Arizona, you are automatically enrolled.

You're not far off. I had to join the NRA in 7th grade when I was 12 years old, because you have to have a hunter's safety course if you want to hunt when you're 13. My hunter's safety course teacher was also my 7th grade English teacher. Classes were at her house on Saturdays.

/not currently a member of the NRA

...was she a hottie?


A. I'm gay.
B. She was 60.
 
2013-06-17 06:27:00 PM  

feckingmorons: No other country would allow anyone to register to vote with nothing more than a form and a signature. Canada requires more, Bermuda requires more, Ireland requires more, Zimbabwe requires more, yet we can't ask for proof of citizenship.

Simply amazing.


What's even more simply amazinger is why this 'legal voter' frenzy only seemed to gain momentum after the people of the United States appointed it's first black president. Twice. The 'patriots' are beside themselves with hatred. So if they can't take the president down, go after the immigrants. Especially the brown ones. Because Canadians and European illegal immigrants NEVER break the law in the United States.

Illegal aliens
Obama's 'fake' birth certificate
The cover -ups
Hillary Clinton faked her concussion.
We all live in an unreal world now that we have a 'colored' president. Everything is a lie!
We're doomed! Lock and load!
 
2013-06-17 06:27:29 PM  

doublesecretprobation: feckingmorons: I don't think it is too much to ask for each one of us to prove we are citizens and eligible to vote.

the simple fact of the matter is that voter fraud is NOT A PROBLEM in this country.  most people here illegally are too afraid of getting caught to register and if you're really afraid of people voting more than once:


Wait. What's the deal here? Do you have to show ID to vote or not?
 
2013-06-17 06:28:14 PM  

edmo: feckingmorons: Now you don't have to prove your a citizen to register to vote.

Did you have to do that last time you registered? Or did you just hand over your driver's license?


That's the thing - we've never required it before, and there is no reason to do so now.  Disingenuous cries to the contrary, it's about disenfranchisement for the purposes of accomplishing what they otherwise have no chance to at the ballot box.  Democracy is only popular with the current crop of "patriots" and "strict constitutionalists" when it produces the desired result.
 
2013-06-17 06:28:45 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: netizencain: Arizona didn't have the right to create their own rules in a federal election.

Bears repeating.

Yes, and Arizona can, and probably will, require proof of citizenship to vote in non-federal elections.

I don't see providing proof of citizenship to be a significant hardship to anyone who is a citizen and wishes to vote. If they can do it in Zimbabwe I'm sure we can do it easily.

This is a video tutorial on how to register online to vote in Oregon

You have to provide the number to your driver's license or state ID card. This is important since Oregon is a 100% vote-by-mail state and the signature on your driver's license or state ID card is compared with that on the return envelope when you mail your ballot in.

Well, apparently it's not going to let me link to the video tutorial, but when you fill out an Oregon voter registration form, whether on paper or online, you have to provide the above mentioned number.


Aaaaaa, not so fast there.  I moved back to Oregon last year and all I needed was my SS# to register to vote.  I've voted twice now.
 
2013-06-17 06:29:43 PM  

Godscrack: What's even more simply amazinger is why this 'legal voter' frenzy only seemed to gain momentum after the people of the United States appointed it's first black president. Twice.


The first iteration of this law was passed in 2004.
 
2013-06-17 06:29:50 PM  

feckingmorons: Now you don't have to prove your a citizen to register to vote. That just seems wrong to me.


You didn't read the actual ruling, did you?

All the ruling says is that for federal elections, federal registration law trumps state law.  That's it.  Nothing more.
 
2013-06-17 06:30:50 PM  

feckingmorons: Now you don't have to prove your a citizen to register to vote. That just seems wrong to me.

I can't vote in Mexico, heck I can't even legally attend a political demonstration in Mexico without the possibility of arrest and deportation. Yes, Mexico does indeed deport people for simply demonstrating for environmental causes and other 'political' demonstrations.

I don't think it is too much to ask for each one of us to prove we are citizens and eligible to vote.

No other country would allow anyone to register to vote with nothing more than a form and a signature. Canada requires more, Bermuda requires more, Ireland requires more, Zimbabwe requires more, yet we can't ask for proof of citizenship.

Simply amazing.


I don't think you know as much about this case as you think you do.  It originally involved one Jesus Gonzalez, a legal immigrant.  The very day he became a citizen he tried to register to vote - sending in the naturalization papers required by this Arizona law.  It was rejected.  He resubmitted.  Rejected again.  He submitted another time and went to court.

If all these laws were about was making sure that only citizens could vote - then why was it so hard for this newly minted citizen to register even when he did EXACTLY what was asked?
 
2013-06-17 06:31:32 PM  

namatad: fusillade762: johnnieconnie: The real surprise (to me) is that it was a 7-2 decision and Scalia wrote the majority opinion.

I think the real shocker is that Thomas actually disagreed with him.

Do you think that Thomas disagreed with him by accident?
Thomas just assumed that scalia would be all in favor of states' rights and went ahead without waiting for the puppet master to decide for him.


Thomas generally thinks that unless it's explicitly stated in the constitution, it doesn't exist. So because the constitution doesn't say that Arizona can't require the ID, he probably sees no problem with it. He's also extremely into state's rights so that might have had something to do with it.
I haven't actually read the opinion. I'm just taking a small break from studying from the bar, and I'll damned if I'm going to read anything related to law while I'm studying for the bar.
 
2013-06-17 06:32:59 PM  
ALEC keeps costing states money.

Suckers.
 
2013-06-17 06:33:26 PM  

feckingmorons: No other country would allow anyone to register to vote with nothing more than a form and a signature. Canada requires more, Bermuda requires more, Ireland requires more, Zimbabwe requires more, yet we can't ask for proof of citizenship.


FYI in Canada they also let you cast a ballot even if you're not registered (you register on the day of the election at the polling station).  If you're pre-registered you just bring your voting card and ID.  Don't need jack otherwise.  I think you might want to educate yourself more on how these countries do voter registration before commenting further.
 
2013-06-17 06:34:51 PM  

optikeye: Would you really want a national ID card? Is the real question here.


It's an impossible situation in America. People want everybody else tracked, but the second you event hint that they're being watched too, they freak the f*ck out.
 
2013-06-17 06:35:52 PM  
Gun background ok.
Voting background check not ok.

Got it.
 
2013-06-17 06:37:26 PM  

12349876: feckingmorons: Now you don't have to prove your a citizen to register to vote. That just seems wrong to me.

You didn't read the actual ruling, did you?

All the ruling says is that for federal elections, federal registration law trumps state law.  That's it.  Nothing more.


F*CK THAT WE'RE PANICKING HERE.
 
2013-06-17 06:37:59 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Gun background ok.
Voting background check not ok.

Got it.


Can you shoot people with your ballot?
 
2013-06-17 06:38:21 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Gun background ok.
Voting background check not ok.

Got it.


Felons with guns = problem that actually exists.
Voter fraud = fictional problem created to justify eliminating the right to vote by demographic.

Get it?
 
2013-06-17 06:39:45 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Gun background ok.
Voting background check not ok.

Got it.


media.comicvine.com
 
2013-06-17 06:40:28 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: ...was she a hottie?

A. I'm gay.
B. She was 60.


you didn't answer the question.  Was she a hottie?
 
2013-06-17 06:43:36 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: 2wolves: ecmoRandomNumbers: Darth_Lukecash: Lost Thought 00: What about requiring NRA membership?

In Arizona, you are automatically enrolled.

You're not far off. I had to join the NRA in 7th grade when I was 12 years old, because you have to have a hunter's safety course if you want to hunt when you're 13. My hunter's safety course teacher was also my 7th grade English teacher. Classes were at her house on Saturdays.

/not currently a member of the NRA

...was she a hottie?

A. I'm gay.
B. She was 60.


you didn't answer the question
 
2013-06-17 06:43:40 PM  
Coming to the polls.
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

//No problem. I been assured each one is a future valedictorian.
 
2013-06-17 06:43:51 PM  

feckingmorons: doublesecretprobation: the simple fact of the matter is that voter fraud is NOT A PROBLEM in this country.

With what authority do you proclaim that a fact. I can cite several recent prosecutions and convictions for voter fraud. Simply saying it does not make it a fact.


"Still not a problem" doesn't mean voter fraud doesn't exist, only that it's not a problem.  "Several recent prosecutions" is not a problem, they are statistically irrelevant and have not had an effect on any federal election.
 
2013-06-17 06:44:03 PM  

feckingmorons: I can cite several recent prosecutions and convictions for voter fraud.


Voter fraud, as in someone actually illegally voted, or voter registration fraud?

In any event, even if there is actual voter fraud these laws are like nuking a city because it has a cockroach.  Not only is it a total overreaction to the scale of the problem, but it probably wouldn't even prevent the voter fraud.
 
2013-06-17 06:44:14 PM  
Justice O'Connor was in the Supreme Court's courtroom on Monday to see the announcement of the decision.

Some people really love the growing up in Arizona and are happy to see Arizona grow up.

images.weserv.nl
 
2013-06-17 06:45:09 PM  

Prof. Ann Marion: ecmoRandomNumbers: 2wolves: ecmoRandomNumbers: Darth_Lukecash: Lost Thought 00: What about requiring NRA membership?

In Arizona, you are automatically enrolled.

You're not far off. I had to join the NRA in 7th grade when I was 12 years old, because you have to have a hunter's safety course if you want to hunt when you're 13. My hunter's safety course teacher was also my 7th grade English teacher. Classes were at her house on Saturdays.

/not currently a member of the NRA

...was she a hottie?

A. I'm gay.
B. She was 60.

you didn't answer the question


6:40:28.. crap...
 
Displayed 50 of 363 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report