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2013-06-17 04:06:31 PM
2 votes:

mikaloyd: No way Seattle would steal a team


Nope.  We're always at the other end of that transaction.
2013-06-17 03:25:56 PM
2 votes:

Donnchadha: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

Supersonics


so the former Jets become the Supersonics? It could work.
2013-06-17 11:34:32 PM
1 votes:
I'm going to rant more.  Bettman is really, really farking stupid.  It just pisses me off that he has major markets laying all over the country that would do better than Phoenix, but he's not going to back off on his failed bet.

farking hell, in the past three years in Portland I can't go to a bar during the Stanley Cup Finals and not find a TV with it on and hockey fans around.  Lots of them are 18-34, if not most of them.  They're the same people I see when the Timbers play.  The Timbers can pretty much sell out any game they play.  They got a few thousand people to show up on a weekday morning to watch them play 9 year olds for a charity.  The farking Winterhawks can draw 11,000+ people per game, but nobody can be bothered to get Paul Allen on board with using the Rose Quarter/Memorial  Coliseum for an NHL team in a market that likes hockey?

Something like thirty percent of this city is from the east coast/MN/MI/OH/IL, and we love other European sports.  Portland actually has a fairly high number of Europeans in the metro area because of all the tech jobs, and soccer absolutely farking kills it here, but we can't get professional hockey in town?

Hell, it's not even this town, it's the farking region.  Without a farking passport the easiest way to see an NHL game in the PNW is to fly to the farking Bay Area and see the farking Sharks.

Holy fark Bettman.  You suck.  You're too blinded by greed to see the cash cow ready to squirt hipster's trust funds right into your teams' bank accounts.
2013-06-17 08:35:32 PM
1 votes:

Killer Cars: FloydA: Hint: It's neither Brooklyn nor 1992.

Seriously. Pockets of each certainly do exist, but it's far from being a proper, all-encompassing stereotype in 2013.

I'll at least accept either "everyone's an IT/engineering geek" or "everyone shops at REI and talks about their favorite hiking trails" before those two.


. . . note to self: if this does go through or they get an expansion team, as soon as current work contract is up, buy umbrella.

/you can get tea there as well as coffee, right?

//sorry, ball fans, Supersonics is a much better name for a hockey team than it is for basketball, purely because you can skate faster than you can run
2013-06-17 08:22:38 PM
1 votes:

TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.


plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
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might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
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2013-06-17 08:04:52 PM
1 votes:

iron_city_ap: buckeyebrain: iron_city_ap: JohnBigBootay: iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.

Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

They could easily sell out the arena at first. That's a no brainer. Can they put the team in the hands of good owners who bring in good management and fill a shiny, new 40,000 one in 2 years?

40,000???  Are you going to require every fan to sit on another fan's lap?

I was thinking the league was wanting newer stadiums in the 40k fan range. After digging around, I was wrong. But in the article, they'd play at Key for 2 seasons while a new arena is built.




40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs
2013-06-17 08:03:48 PM
1 votes:

UncleStumpy: KingKauff: LessO2: Won't happen.   Bettman is likely using Seattle as a pawn to get things going between Glendale and the Coyotes.

Key Arena only seats 11,000 for hockey configuration.  Add about 3k more for "can't see half the ice" seats.

It's not like Bettman has ever yanked a team away from a city recently.......

/fark you with no lube in a cold locker room for taking the Thrashers away

The only reason you lost your team is because no one would support and any sane businessman knew they would never make money there.

He tried to keep the team there, many times. What was, it three, four ownership groups?

The only thing Bettman did wrong was put a team back there in the first place


No. There was only one ownership group. They also owned the Hawks and wound up not giving two shiats about the hockey team and the fans knew it. Nice try, though.
2013-06-17 07:12:24 PM
1 votes:
WHERE THE FARK IS THE STANLEY CUP THREAD? Mods get your heads otta youre collective ass.
2013-06-17 07:06:04 PM
1 votes:

iron_city_ap: JohnBigBootay: iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.

Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

They could easily sell out the arena at first. That's a no brainer. Can they put the team in the hands of good owners who bring in good management and fill a shiny, new 40,000 one in 2 years?


40,000???  Are you going to require every fan to sit on another fan's lap?
2013-06-17 06:35:21 PM
1 votes:

mikaloyd: BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA


now, i'/ve never been to seattle, but.....if they're selling out Sounders games, i have no doubt they'd back the NHL, an dback it bigtime, spesh if there's no likelihood of them getting an NBA 'chise back anytime.

/tangent:  slowly watching the "The Other Dream Team" documentary, about the 1992 Lithuanian Olyumpic Hoops team, and there's a stomach turning scene of David Stern announcing the 1989-ish pick where Portland selects Sarunas Marcialonus, who had just killed it at the 1998 Olympics for Russia (the subtext is the Russians invaded Lithuania in WWII, yet in 1988, had 4 Lithuanians playing for Russia.  To say they hated playing for Russia is an understatment).

anywyas, farking Stern, they show him at the podium smirking, and he goes, "with the 32nd pick....*half grimace, half smile*.....the....Portland Trailblazers......*imperceptible headshake*.....America's game?select, Sarunas Marcialonus, USSR."  he actually says that!  "america's game?"


and he just stands there with a "are you freaking kidding me?" look on his face.  I half expected him to make the "jacking off" hand gesture.

what a dick.
2013-06-17 06:26:58 PM
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.


BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA
2013-06-17 06:18:19 PM
1 votes:

KingKauff: LessO2: Won't happen.   Bettman is likely using Seattle as a pawn to get things going between Glendale and the Coyotes.

Key Arena only seats 11,000 for hockey configuration.  Add about 3k more for "can't see half the ice" seats.

It's not like Bettman has ever yanked a team away from a city recently.......

/fark you with no lube in a cold locker room for taking the Thrashers away


The only reason you lost your team is because no one would support and any sane businessman knew they would never make money there.

He tried to keep the team there, many times. What was, it three, four ownership groups?

The only thing Bettman did wrong was put a team back there in the first place
2013-06-17 05:36:24 PM
1 votes:

sno man: Glendale City Council got dollar signs in there eyes, without having thought there cunning plan through.


i'm not enough of a fan to intelligently pick apart the deal, but from what i read, both the NHL and Glendale have farked it up at just about every possible chance.  the Westgate mall never took off, the parking revenue goes to I think the NHL while Glendale is scraping by, and I think the NHL refuses to redo the deal (never mind that, ummm, NO ONE GOES TO GAMES) so they too, are proudly hanging onto 100% of no cars giong to games instead of maybe, just maybe, sharing some of the wealth.....
2013-06-17 04:53:21 PM
1 votes:

soupafi: Quebec City is more likely.


No.  No it's not.  With the ink not yet dry on the re-alignment, and with the east already having more teams, there is no way they are going to Quebec City.  Or Hamilton or Markham or anywhere else in the eastern time zone. Besides in a few years, when Fark-You-Gary-Bergman decides it's expansion time, Quebec and Toronto(ish) will pay WAY more for the privilage.

So of the West there is Seattle good town, not good building and will a hockey team by itself be enough to get a new building?... Kansas City okay town and a shiny new building with the added complication of forcing the Av's into the Pacific division... or Vegas with pretty much neither.  Desert Geek had an interesting idea yesterday at the end of the game 2 thread about moving back to Phoenix from Glendale.  Again old crappy building for a year or two, but it would be an awesome FU to Glendale from the NHL.
2013-06-17 04:52:39 PM
1 votes:
With Seattle's proximity to Canada I can't imagine any outcome other than there being very high attendance and support if we get a team. There will be an immediate rivalry with Vancouver that we haven't had since the days of the Grizzlies and Sonics still being in the region. I won't be holding my breath for us to be getting the Coyotes, since this whole thing reeks of Seattle being used to put pressure on Glendale just like we were used to help Sacramento get their shiat together for the Kings a couple months ago. I do however think that Seattle is going to end up with both the NHL and NBA within the next 3 years. We'll be building a brand new NHL-friendly arena once we secure an NBA team, and Seattle has one of the best economies in the country so I have no doubt we can support four major teams plus the Sounders. I think many Seattle residents (including myself) don't know much about the game of hockey since we haven't had an NHL team in ages, but that won't stop people from showing up.

As far as names go, my first choice would be the Metropolitans because I think it's still a great name almost 100 years after they won the Stanley Cup. My second choice would be the Sockeyes because, well, that's a very badass name for a hockey team.
2013-06-17 04:52:32 PM
1 votes:

soupafi: Quebec City is more likely.


Quebec City isn't likely because Bettman can't stomach the thought of a second team from his Sunbelt experiment moving back to Canada. The look on his face during the Winnipeg Jets press conference was hilarious. He looked like he wanted to puke. Besides, the NHL don't want to move another team to the East after just realigning.
2013-06-17 04:44:51 PM
1 votes:

Martonio: MichiganFTL: tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.

Royals rank 25th in attendance per game in MLB (2013)
Chiefs rank 16th in attendance per game in NFL (2012)

Not really lighting my fire there...Granted, Seattle was 26th in MLB and 17th in NFL.

NFL attendance figures are pretty much moot among the top 20 teams as most NFL stadiums sell out every weekend (including Seattle), and then it comes down to physical stadium size.

The NHL would do phenomenally well in Seattle, especially when you factor in a rivalry with the Canucks (and thousand of Canucks fans travelling to those games) and some residual people coming in from Oregon and Eastern Washington.


Don't forget actual Canadian fans that haven't been able to actually get an affordable Canucks ticket for years
2013-06-17 04:31:35 PM
1 votes:

KingKauff: SlagginOff: Seattle is a much more respectable hockey market than farking Phoenix.

So is/was Atlanta. Lot of good that did us.


When was Atlanta ever a respectable hockey market?
2013-06-17 04:29:41 PM
1 votes:

Martonio: NHL would do phenomenally well in Seattle, especially when you factor in a rivalry with the Canucks (and thousand of Canucks fans travelling to those games) and some residual people coming in from Oregon and Eastern Washington.


yeah, if the Sounders offer any kind of yardstick by which to measure, Seattle hockey would be insane.  And, Vancouver would offer an amazing rivalry.  Lastly, i venture to guess there are a farkload more people that grew up with the game.  that is one of main problems with the 'Yotes being here.  only the diest of the die-hard natives (a) care and/or (b) understand the nuance of the game, and the other 95% of fans are trnasplants, hence the "i love my 'Yotes.....except when my _____s* come to town!"

*red wings, blackhawks, rangers, pens, etc.
2013-06-17 04:27:45 PM
1 votes:
Seattle is a much more respectable hockey market than farking Phoenix.
2013-06-17 04:16:09 PM
1 votes:

TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans


Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?
2013-06-17 04:03:06 PM
1 votes:

New Age Redneck: 11,000 seat barn? I am guessing, no f*cking way. Is hockey as popular in Seattle as it is in Phoenix?


Yes, Hockey is very big here but we only have minor league teams. They do pretty well. If Soccer sells out here, NHL can do well too
2013-06-17 03:56:27 PM
1 votes:
Yeah right, as a Seattle resident. Im not even getting my hopes up at all this time.


Forgive me for not believing.
2013-06-17 03:45:46 PM
1 votes:
There is only one reason why an NHL team in Seattle would be the best farking idea in the history of the Universe:

The Vancouver Canucks.

/actually, there are many reasons, but that is the biggest one
2013-06-17 03:30:01 PM
1 votes:
Welcome back Metropolitans!
The sweater should feature a gigantic geoduck held by a fisherman with extremely hairy hands.
2013-06-17 03:29:04 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: seumasokelly: I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.

The T-Birds are already Seattle's CHL (WHL) team.


I know. That's where I got the name. My guess would be that were Seattle to get a NHL team, the Thunderbirds would move.
2013-06-17 03:26:48 PM
1 votes:
Seatle Sasquach
The 'Squach'  are going to stomp Vancouver.
2013-06-17 03:24:47 PM
1 votes:

eagles95: How about this....we trade the Bucks to Seattle for their NBA team and we take the Coyotes for the NHL team we want more than a shiatty NBA team.


Why not get the Admirals to about 10k average attendance first, and then you can think about the jump to support an NHL team (which then you'll need to draw at least 13-14k avg).   I mean, if you have a good core base of hockey fans, that shouldn't be hard.   Right now the Admirals averaging about 6k isn't a good sign to say "bring the NHL".
2013-06-17 03:23:03 PM
1 votes:
Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans
2013-06-17 03:19:55 PM
1 votes:

seumasokelly: I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.


The old WHL team was 'Totems'. And yea, I'm old enough to have seen them play.
2013-06-17 03:18:12 PM
1 votes:
I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.
2013-06-17 03:12:08 PM
1 votes:
Two words:

Yes please.

/day one season ticket holder if they host the team anywhere other than the Key.
//also, bring back the Sonics if it isn't too much trouble. kthxbai
2013-06-17 03:07:24 PM
1 votes:
Since we're building the new arena and all, I say Sacramento steps in and grabs Seattle's NHL bid as well. Not because I like hockey, but more because I'm a fan of sports rage.
2013-06-17 03:07:04 PM
1 votes:
Seattle is one of the few American cities that should get a NHL franchise before Canada.  I would have no problem seeing Phoenix move there.

/Seattle, Quebec City, Kansas City, Hamilton should get teams
2013-06-17 03:06:07 PM
1 votes:

tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.


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2013-06-17 03:00:21 PM
1 votes:

yanceylebeef: Should be the Thunderbirds. Do they still play in Seattle?


Yes, but south of downtown now.  They no longer play in Key Arena.
2013-06-17 02:55:43 PM
1 votes:
Should be the Thunderbirds. Do they still play in Seattle?
2013-06-17 02:44:52 PM
1 votes:
Paris1127:

How about the Seattle Pilots? It wouldn't be the first time a team name was revived for another sport.

I could live with that.  Then if we get the Sonics back, we'd have two nautical theme teams and two air travel themed teams.
2013-06-17 02:26:15 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


I'd like to see them called the Metropolitans, just for history's sake, but knowing how things work around here, they would probably end up being called the WindowsLive Messengers or the Dreamliners, or maybe the Burnt-Tasting Espresso Shots.


How about the Seattle Pilots? It wouldn't be the first time a team name was revived for another sport.
2013-06-17 02:12:56 PM
1 votes:

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds



I'd like to see them called the Metropolitans, just for history's sake, but knowing how things work around here, they would probably end up being called the WindowsLive Messengers or the Dreamliners, or maybe the Burnt-Tasting Espresso Shots.
2013-06-17 02:03:19 PM
1 votes:

Donnchadha: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

Supersonics


This would be amusing.... one wonders would Seattle then be content with 3 of the 4 "majors" and no NBA, or will they want to be one of the few markets with all "Big 4" (NY, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, D.C., Bay Area, Boston, Denver, Miami, Minneapolis, Dallas.... did I forget any?.... left of Phoenix since if this happens, they'll be out of the list)
2013-06-17 01:56:26 PM
1 votes:

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


Supersonics
 
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