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2013-06-17 07:16:36 PM  

SevenSeven: WHERE THE FARK IS THE STANLEY CUP THREAD? Mods get your heads otta youre collective ass.


Are you new here or something?

The threads only go green right before game time this year... usually.
 
2013-06-17 07:24:00 PM  

MrJesus: WHAR <b>ontariolightning</b> I WANNA TASTE DEM TEARS

also, <b>desertgeek</b> i am truely sorry for your lots


ontario had called for a truce after the conference finals ended. Anyway, he's been OK since the Leafs got eliminated and has delivered a few thoughts that I actually agreed with him on (although I expect him to explode if the B's take the Cup).
 
2013-06-17 07:35:04 PM  

Donnchadha: SevenSeven: WHERE THE FARK IS THE STANLEY CUP THREAD? Mods get your heads otta youre collective ass.

Are you new here or something?

The threads only go green right before game time this year... usually.


wrong. they have been up a lot earlier than now as of late. and no 10 plus years, although i was lurking for a bit.
 
2013-06-17 07:46:09 PM  

buckeyebrain: iron_city_ap: JohnBigBootay: iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.

Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

They could easily sell out the arena at first. That's a no brainer. Can they put the team in the hands of good owners who bring in good management and fill a shiny, new 40,000 one in 2 years?

40,000???  Are you going to require every fan to sit on another fan's lap?


I was thinking the league was wanting newer stadiums in the 40k fan range. After digging around, I was wrong. But in the article, they'd play at Key for 2 seasons while a new arena is built.
 
2013-06-17 07:54:01 PM  

FloydA: LessO2:

Metropolitans does have a nice ring to it, but since there is a Metropolitans in baseball, I'm not sure the NHL would go for it.

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2013-06-17 08:03:48 PM  

UncleStumpy: KingKauff: LessO2: Won't happen.   Bettman is likely using Seattle as a pawn to get things going between Glendale and the Coyotes.

Key Arena only seats 11,000 for hockey configuration.  Add about 3k more for "can't see half the ice" seats.

It's not like Bettman has ever yanked a team away from a city recently.......

/fark you with no lube in a cold locker room for taking the Thrashers away

The only reason you lost your team is because no one would support and any sane businessman knew they would never make money there.

He tried to keep the team there, many times. What was, it three, four ownership groups?

The only thing Bettman did wrong was put a team back there in the first place


No. There was only one ownership group. They also owned the Hawks and wound up not giving two shiats about the hockey team and the fans knew it. Nice try, though.
 
2013-06-17 08:04:52 PM  

iron_city_ap: buckeyebrain: iron_city_ap: JohnBigBootay: iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.

Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

They could easily sell out the arena at first. That's a no brainer. Can they put the team in the hands of good owners who bring in good management and fill a shiny, new 40,000 one in 2 years?

40,000???  Are you going to require every fan to sit on another fan's lap?

I was thinking the league was wanting newer stadiums in the 40k fan range. After digging around, I was wrong. But in the article, they'd play at Key for 2 seasons while a new arena is built.




40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs
 
2013-06-17 08:06:41 PM  

ShadowKamui: TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans

Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?


Officially no since it isn't the same franchise. Ottawa does it here as well, all the cup banners from the original Senators are hanging from the rafters.

Nostalgia, that's all.
 
2013-06-17 08:11:02 PM  

Renegade Pervert: ShadowKamui: TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans

Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?

Officially no since it isn't the same franchise. Ottawa does it here as well, all the cup banners from the original Senators are hanging from the rafters.

Nostalgia, that's all.




Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.
 
2013-06-17 08:13:24 PM  

TeamEd: 40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs


The ACC in TO is a hundred or so south of 19k, and the last sections are a long way from the ice.  Why they didn't build it with 22ish is a mystery though.
 
2013-06-17 08:17:42 PM  

sno man: TeamEd: 40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs

The ACC in TO is a hundred or so south of 19k, and the last sections are a long way from the ice.  Why they didn't build it with 22ish is a mystery though.




IIRC the Gardens had more seating, but the ACC has much better amenities and way more boxes. Kinds tells you the priorities of the ownership. They could have easily supported an arena the size of Bell Centre. Instead, most Leafs fans have no hope of getting to a game. There aren't many sports teams where the typical working class fan goes decades between tickets, if they ever get to go.
 
2013-06-17 08:17:49 PM  

TeamEd: Renegade Pervert: ShadowKamui: TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans

Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?

Officially no since it isn't the same franchise. Ottawa does it here as well, all the cup banners from the original Senators are hanging from the rafters.

Nostalgia, that's all.

Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.


Now, yes, 10 years ago we were in the same spot as the Coyotes, very very lucky to still have them here.

You are very right they mean a lot to our town, the founders leaned heavily on the nostalgia of the original team. We're a small market here so it is nice to have them stable and secure.
 
2013-06-17 08:22:38 PM  

TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.


plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
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might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
www.stufftotweet.com
 
2013-06-17 08:28:06 PM  
The Seattle Melvins. The logo will King Buzzo's head.
 
2013-06-17 08:29:26 PM  

sno man: TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.

plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
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might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
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That is exactly the throwback I'm thinking of. That thing is awesome in the same way the Sens "O" sweater is great, plus candy cane colours. That sweater would sell extremely well.

Renegade Pervert Yeah, the nostalgia didn't mean anything when the team was afwul and in bankruptcy, but it's a real asset now.
 
2013-06-17 08:35:32 PM  

Killer Cars: FloydA: Hint: It's neither Brooklyn nor 1992.

Seriously. Pockets of each certainly do exist, but it's far from being a proper, all-encompassing stereotype in 2013.

I'll at least accept either "everyone's an IT/engineering geek" or "everyone shops at REI and talks about their favorite hiking trails" before those two.


. . . note to self: if this does go through or they get an expansion team, as soon as current work contract is up, buy umbrella.

/you can get tea there as well as coffee, right?

//sorry, ball fans, Supersonics is a much better name for a hockey team than it is for basketball, purely because you can skate faster than you can run
 
2013-06-17 08:35:53 PM  
You want it to make money? You put it in Canada Seattle will fail. Not as badly as Phoenix though. I suppose people from vancouver will flock to see cheaper hockey. Maybe thats what they are counting on.

But they have a framework in place for a deal in Phoenix right Gary?
 
2013-06-17 08:36:54 PM  

TeamEd: sno man: TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.

plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
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might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
[www.stufftotweet.com image 275x215]

That is exactly the throwback I'm thinking of. That thing is awesome in the same way the Sens "O" sweater is great, plus candy cane colours. That sweater would sell extremely well.

Renegade Pervert Yeah, the nostalgia didn't mean anything when the team was afwul and in bankruptcy, but it's a real asset now.


Ha, very true, it worked when they were dragging out Frank Finnegan's corpse to rally the troops before landing the franchise, not so much in 2003... Christ I honestly have no idea how we kept them. The Euge got the sweetest deal in the world when he saved them.
 
2013-06-17 08:42:09 PM  

Renegade Pervert: TeamEd: sno man: TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.

plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
[i423.photobucket.com image 500x393]
might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
[www.stufftotweet.com image 275x215]

That is exactly the throwback I'm thinking of. That thing is awesome in the same way the Sens "O" sweater is great, plus candy cane colours. That sweater would sell extremely well.

Renegade Pervert Yeah, the nostalgia didn't mean anything when the team was afwul and in bankruptcy, but it's a real asset now.

Ha, very true, it worked when they were dragging out Frank Finnegan's corpse to rally the troops before landing the franchise, not so much in 2003... Christ I honestly have no idea how we kept them. The Euge got the sweetest deal in the world when he saved them.




Yeah. He's a lucky owner. But really, the Canadian teams are all healthier now that the dollars is stable near parity.
 
2013-06-17 08:53:56 PM  
Seattle Mudder-Puckers?
 
2013-06-17 09:05:42 PM  

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


How about, MichiganFTL doesn't know WTF he's talking about? Is that an option?
 
2013-06-17 09:28:37 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

How about, MichiganFTL doesn't know WTF he's talking about? Is that an option?




Dunno, don't think it'll look good on a jersey. 'Shop one and we'll decide.
 
2013-06-17 09:31:17 PM  

sno man: TeamEd: 40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs

The ACC in TO is a hundred or so south of 19k, and the last sections are a long way from the ice.  Why they didn't build it with 22ish is a mystery though.


It is because the ACC was built with the Raptors in mind. It was a big reason why MLSE bought the Raptors because their ownership group also successfully got the ACC funding and land off the ground.
 
2013-06-17 09:35:13 PM  

IlGreven: FloydA: LessO2:

Metropolitans does have a nice ring to it, but since there is a Metropolitans in baseball, I'm not sure the NHL would go for it.

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2013-06-17 10:03:39 PM  
Good, they should have been out of Arizona a few years ago.
 
2013-06-17 11:04:43 PM  
Seattle Satellites
Seattle Storm
Seattle Pikes
Seattle Trolls
 
2013-06-17 11:13:03 PM  

Renegade Pervert: Now, yes, 10 years ago we were in the same spot as the Coyotes, very very lucky to still have them here.

You are very right they mean a lot to our town, the founders leaned heavily on the nostalgia of the original team. We're a small market here so it is nice to have them stable and secure.


I'm sure Ottawa supports hockey better than Portland would, but it still becomes a WTF moment that Seattle (metro area ~4 million) and Portland (metro area 2.2 million) don't have NHL teams but Ottawa (metro area 1.2 million) does.  Especially when Portland has a perfectly good hockey arena and can draw 10,000+ people per game for a bunch of teenagers playing hockey.  Throw in the Portland/Seattle/Vancouver soccer rivalry and I have to ask...  Where the fark is our hockey?

/rumor has it when the Penguins were talking about moving here in the late 90s they sold out 7,000 season ticket reservations at $25/seat in under a month
//that was without a team in hand or anything, just speculation that Portland might get a team in the Rose Garden
///only a fool like Bettman would be too stupid to realize expanding to PDX and SEA would balance the conferences, create a natural rivalry, and service part of the US that has no NHL teams but is farking thirsty as hell for it
/dumbass
 
2013-06-17 11:21:51 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: The Seattle Seal and use the old California Golden Seal uni and colors.


You do realize that the Sharks are kind of the same organization as the Seals, right?

Basically, the Seals (after a year as the Barons) merged into the Stars, and then the Gunds, former owners of the Seals and now part owners of the Stars, got an expansion team in the bay area, but they got half of the Stars roster, and both the Sharks and Stars took part in the expansion draft. Essentially, they undid the merge.

So yeah- the Sharks might get more than a little bit upset if you tried that.
 
2013-06-17 11:21:58 PM  

davidphogan: Renegade Pervert: Now, yes, 10 years ago we were in the same spot as the Coyotes, very very lucky to still have them here.

You are very right they mean a lot to our town, the founders leaned heavily on the nostalgia of the original team. We're a small market here so it is nice to have them stable and secure.

I'm sure Ottawa supports hockey better than Portland would, but it still becomes a WTF moment that Seattle (metro area ~4 million) and Portland (metro area 2.2 million) don't have NHL teams but Ottawa (metro area 1.2 million) does.  Especially when Portland has a perfectly good hockey arena and can draw 10,000+ people per game for a bunch of teenagers playing hockey.  Throw in the Portland/Seattle/Vancouver soccer rivalry and I have to ask...  Where the fark is our hockey?

/rumor has it when the Penguins were talking about moving here in the late 90s they sold out 7,000 season ticket reservations at $25/seat in under a month
//that was without a team in hand or anything, just speculation that Portland might get a team in the Rose Garden
///only a fool like Bettman would be too stupid to realize expanding to PDX and SEA would balance the conferences, create a natural rivalry, and service part of the US that has no NHL teams but is farking thirsty as hell for it
/dumbass


So reminding you that Winnipeg has a few less than 750k and won the last moving team would be like poking you with a stick?
The "Next" team might well be New Jersey, that would re-balance the East and West...
 
2013-06-17 11:31:39 PM  
Seattle Rainiers
Seattle S.L.U.T.s
Seattle Shipping Containers
Seattle Bike Lanes

/got nothin'
 
2013-06-17 11:34:32 PM  
I'm going to rant more.  Bettman is really, really farking stupid.  It just pisses me off that he has major markets laying all over the country that would do better than Phoenix, but he's not going to back off on his failed bet.

farking hell, in the past three years in Portland I can't go to a bar during the Stanley Cup Finals and not find a TV with it on and hockey fans around.  Lots of them are 18-34, if not most of them.  They're the same people I see when the Timbers play.  The Timbers can pretty much sell out any game they play.  They got a few thousand people to show up on a weekday morning to watch them play 9 year olds for a charity.  The farking Winterhawks can draw 11,000+ people per game, but nobody can be bothered to get Paul Allen on board with using the Rose Quarter/Memorial  Coliseum for an NHL team in a market that likes hockey?

Something like thirty percent of this city is from the east coast/MN/MI/OH/IL, and we love other European sports.  Portland actually has a fairly high number of Europeans in the metro area because of all the tech jobs, and soccer absolutely farking kills it here, but we can't get professional hockey in town?

Hell, it's not even this town, it's the farking region.  Without a farking passport the easiest way to see an NHL game in the PNW is to fly to the farking Bay Area and see the farking Sharks.

Holy fark Bettman.  You suck.  You're too blinded by greed to see the cash cow ready to squirt hipster's trust funds right into your teams' bank accounts.
 
2013-06-17 11:35:26 PM  

Plush_Cthulhu: Seattle S.L.U.T.s


Seattle Bag of Dicks?
 
2013-06-17 11:37:51 PM  
Seattle Stealers
 
2013-06-17 11:45:58 PM  
I lived in Peoria and Goodyear from '03 to '05 and was front seat for the Glendale Arena and Cardinals stadiums coming on line. The whole point of building the arena and the stadium with mostly housing around it was to turn the surrounding area into a shopping center/restaurant area to increase Glendale's tax income. Right as the arena went online, the company chosen to develop the area lost a bunch of money and pulled out, so you have two almost new sports venues sitting in the middle of nowhere. The Coyotes' fan base shrunk because the Phoenix fans didn't want to go all the way to Glendale to watch a sport that had lost its novelty. While America West Arena sucked rocks for hockey, transplanting the Coyotes made no sense beyond giving the team their own place. Glendale shouldn't have done the arena, but I learned in two years in the Valley of the Sun that you should *never* underestimate the cravenness or outright stupidity of municipal leadership in and around Phoenix. There is no scenario where the Coyotes become more than a barely break even proposition. Add to all of this the fact that only the Suns have a somewhat loyal fanbase and the other three are only followed when they're winning and it's pretty clear that hockey in PHX is a failed experiment. Everyone in Phoenix comes from somewhere else and they carry their sports loyalties with them. Go to Mesa sometime and check out all of the Chicago Cubs stuff you'll see...

All of that said, they're not going anywhere. Glendale will bend over and give more money they don't have and Bettman won't want one of the Sun Belt teams he has a fetish for move after the burning of Atlanta. However, my prediction is that unless the new owners sign a long term lease (doubtful at best) they're gone within five years.

And I vote for either Thunderbirds or Seawolves for a potential name if/when Seattle gets an NHL team.
 
2013-06-17 11:55:17 PM  

sno man: So reminding you that Winnipeg has a few less than 750k and won the last moving team would be like poking you with a stick?
The "Next" team might well be New Jersey, that would re-balance the East and West...


Not at all.  They're a legit hockey town.  I'm just disgusted that Bettman and NHL owners keep skipping over a region of 7-8 million people with a fairly solid ready to go fan base in favor of saving a failed southern strategy.  Some of the teams work, some don't.

Why not expand to Portland/Seattle, move PHX to the other, push a team back west, and add a Quebec/Hamilton team?  That's balanced conferences, it's a few new rivalries that will naturally come together, it gets pro hockey back into the most populous gap in NHL coverage (7+ million people who need to travel hundreds of miles if they don't have a passport, and from Portland even with a passport it's not exactly a day trip to drive to Vancouver.)

If the NHL wants to increase the depth of talent available they should be trying to expose as many kids as possible to professional hockey.  Skipping over a region that has fallen in love with soccer just seems completely farking retarded on the NHL management's behalf.

Portland as an NFL city would be a farking disaster, but the NHL doesn't seem to realize they're nothing like the NFL.  Besides, U Oregon already has a pro football team.
 
2013-06-18 01:37:37 AM  

davidphogan: I'm just disgusted that Bettman and NHL owners keep skipping over a region of 7-8 million people with a fairly solid ready to go fan base in favor of saving a failed southern strategy.


it remains a mystery who the owners who are subsidizing Gary's losses go along with his desperate attempt to prove himself right after so much failure. why on earth would Toronto or Boston want to keep a team around that is perpetually in need to revenue sharing?
 
2013-06-18 01:40:06 AM  

december: davidphogan: I'm just disgusted that Bettman and NHL owners keep skipping over a region of 7-8 million people with a fairly solid ready to go fan base in favor of saving a failed southern strategy.

it remains a mystery who the owners who are subsidizing Gary's losses go along with his desperate attempt to prove himself right after so much failure. why on earth would Toronto or Boston want to keep a team around that is perpetually in need to revenue sharing?


Maybe because they're making more money now despite the revenue sharing than they did pre-Bettman?
 
2013-06-18 01:52:18 AM  
So... They'll move to Vancouver's secondary market ? That almost makes more sense than Quebec City when you think of it that way...
Quebec City is building an arena just for this to be ready by 2015 (with the old place where the Nordiques played still up if the call comes)
Too bad Bettman hates Canada... For a population of 30 million and only 7 teams, the NHL gets only 40% of its tv revenues from the Canucks, Habs, Leafs, Jets, Sens, Oilers and Flames fans.

From what i glanced the Coyotes are right now playing in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of a shopping complex that somehow only has its sports venue and a convention center to keep them afloat.

/Quebecer
//Saw one live game as a kid: Whalers vs Nordiques. 
///Quebec Bulldogs, Stanley cup winners 1912-1913, yes a century ago
 
2013-06-18 02:03:53 AM  
I love this thread!
 
2013-06-18 02:41:13 AM  
For the record, I want the team name to be Thunderbirds, not Metropolitans. The "Metrosexuals" jokes would get old by joke #2. Even the New York Mets don't have to deal with that much.
 
2013-06-18 02:41:30 AM  

mentallo69: If it happens, I vote for the Seattle Slashers.


but it wont happen.


Seattle syringes
 
2013-06-18 02:59:16 AM  

desertgeek: december: davidphogan: I'm just disgusted that Bettman and NHL owners keep skipping over a region of 7-8 million people with a fairly solid ready to go fan base in favor of saving a failed southern strategy.

it remains a mystery who the owners who are subsidizing Gary's losses go along with his desperate attempt to prove himself right after so much failure. why on earth would Toronto or Boston want to keep a team around that is perpetually in need to revenue sharing?

Maybe because they're making more money now despite the revenue sharing than they did pre-Bettman?


sure, but do you know anyone who spends good money after bad and says "it's ok ... making money elsewhere." No. It has to burn to scratch that check year after year. In light of viable alternative markets I don't understand why there is not more internal pressure to cut and run. These are smart business men with big egos. Bettman has spent over $200 million of the owners' money trying to keep the team in PHX. I just don't get it.

another thing: the players get a share of the revenue. Dumping PHX would improve revenue and thus increase the size of the players' share. Why is the NHLPA not forcing the issue?
 
2013-06-18 03:42:05 AM  
As a native Phoenician and casual coyote fan currently residing in the Emerald city, I'm not sure what to think of this...
 
2013-06-18 09:03:57 AM  
So, there are 4 markets with an NFL & MLB team, but, no Arena (NBA, NHL) teams:
Seattle
San Diego
Cincinnati
Kansas City

About the only one who ever seems to get chatter for an arena team is Seattle.   KC built their arena that is going to be "too old" pretty soon... SD & Cincy I don't think have even tried to get in the arena sports game seriously?
 
2013-06-18 09:35:02 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-18 09:43:27 AM  

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


Trust me - we don't need some douche from farking Michigan naming our teams for us.

/asswipe hater
 
2013-06-18 09:58:17 AM  

my lip balm addiction: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

Trust me - we don't need some douche from farking Michigan naming our teams for us.

/asswipe hater


[snark]
How about the Emerald City Wizards, Dorthy?
[/snark]

I like the Metropolitans, much like Ottawa with the Senators, it's got (albeit ancient) history, with some success, and the nostalgia factor is big.  Hockey loves history and tradition.
 
2013-06-18 11:09:08 AM  

FriarReb98: desertgeek: -Sorry eastern Canada. They're not moving up there. Blame Detroit biatching about moving to the East for that.

This.  I've always thought that the Red Wings have truly screwed the league with this whole thing.  Not only is the Joe the 16th most Western arena in the league (by a few miles to Columbus), their major rivalries are with teams that are west of them anyway.  The NHL is the most eastern-heavy league out of the Big 4 sports by mean longitude, and only beaten by the NFL in average longitude because of the lack of LA teams.  At this point, the only thing I think could work is if they went to a model more like the NFL and MLB where there are two conferences/leagues spread out over the entire country, instead of relying on geography when it's clearly against them.  It's the only way this will ever be fixed.


Well, rivalries are never really an issue when it's the Detroit Red Wings. Everybody in the league gets up when the Wings come to town, so just because they had a punch-up with Colorado and the Blackhawks have been good doesn't mean that Detroit isn't going to be making lots of friends and influencing people in the East. That's not really a good reason to keep them in the West, especially when they're an eastern time zone team.

You're right about the East/West split of hockey, though. Largely, that's a result of population, not choice - if you're trying to keep hockey in "cold weather" areas, there aren't enough people between the Rocky Mountains and the Great Lakes to support the franchises needed to keep it balanced with the east. As far as going to two nation-wide leagues, like baseball or football, I think that's highly unlikely. The time zone differences matter more in hockey, it seems, than in the other sports because of the higher athletic effort and/or shorter recovery time. Not to mention crossing the border, with all of its hassles.

After looking at the realignment, it's pretty obvious that the NHL is going to add two teams to the Western Conference in the next few years. Kansas City and Seattle have to be the two favorites, if they can pony up the dough, now that Winnipeg has a team. I'm not saying that Hamilton or Quebec City don't deserve teams, but that doesn't solve the problem with having an East-heavy league.  If you move the Yotes up to Seattle now, you're not really solving the problem with the league as a whole - you're just screwing over Glendale.
 
2013-06-18 12:55:04 PM  

dletter: So, there are 4 markets with an NFL & MLB team, but, no Arena (NBA, NHL) teams:
Seattle
San Diego
Cincinnati
Kansas City

About the only one who ever seems to get chatter for an arena team is Seattle.   KC built their arena that is going to be "too old" pretty soon... SD & Cincy I don't think have even tried to get in the arena sports game seriously?


You forgot about Baltimore.
 
2013-06-18 01:17:31 PM  

carnifex2005: dletter: So, there are 4 markets with an NFL & MLB team, but, no Arena (NBA, NHL) teams:
Seattle
San Diego
Cincinnati
Kansas City

About the only one who ever seems to get chatter for an arena team is Seattle.   KC built their arena that is going to be "too old" pretty soon... SD & Cincy I don't think have even tried to get in the arena sports game seriously?

You forgot about Baltimore.


I did, thanks.   Never really hear about Baltimore either, but, they are close enough to DC & Philly that I'm guessing most people there are 6ers/Wizards/Flyers/Caps fans?

/well, people in DC are barely Wizards fans
 
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