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2013-06-17 01:52:36 PM  
New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds
 
2013-06-17 01:56:26 PM  

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


Supersonics
 
2013-06-17 01:56:26 PM  

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


Seattle Lahars.
 
2013-06-17 02:03:19 PM  

Donnchadha: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

Supersonics


This would be amusing.... one wonders would Seattle then be content with 3 of the 4 "majors" and no NBA, or will they want to be one of the few markets with all "Big 4" (NY, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, D.C., Bay Area, Boston, Denver, Miami, Minneapolis, Dallas.... did I forget any?.... left of Phoenix since if this happens, they'll be out of the list)
 
2013-06-17 02:04:48 PM  
And "Reign" would be better than "Rain", but, it's been used twice by women's teams in Seattle (currently by their Women's soccer team), so, not sure they'd go with that.
 
2013-06-17 02:05:54 PM  
Dear Phoenix
As a Seattlite and a sports fan, I have to say that this would be a great thing for sports in Seattle.
So for that reason alone, please allow me to reassure you that it's not going to happen.
 
2013-06-17 02:09:37 PM  
Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.
 
2013-06-17 02:12:56 PM  

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds



I'd like to see them called the Metropolitans, just for history's sake, but knowing how things work around here, they would probably end up being called the WindowsLive Messengers or the Dreamliners, or maybe the Burnt-Tasting Espresso Shots.
 
2013-06-17 02:17:36 PM  

tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.


Royals rank 25th in attendance per game in MLB (2013)
Chiefs rank 16th in attendance per game in NFL (2012)

Not really lighting my fire there...Granted, Seattle was 26th in MLB and 17th in NFL.
 
2013-06-17 02:19:07 PM  

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


Since they couldn't get the Sacramento Kings, why not the Seattle Viceroys?
 
2013-06-17 02:26:15 PM  

FloydA: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


I'd like to see them called the Metropolitans, just for history's sake, but knowing how things work around here, they would probably end up being called the WindowsLive Messengers or the Dreamliners, or maybe the Burnt-Tasting Espresso Shots.


How about the Seattle Pilots? It wouldn't be the first time a team name was revived for another sport.
 
2013-06-17 02:34:45 PM  
Your NHL Seattle Jazz.
 
2013-06-17 02:44:52 PM  
Paris1127:

How about the Seattle Pilots? It wouldn't be the first time a team name was revived for another sport.

I could live with that.  Then if we get the Sonics back, we'd have two nautical theme teams and two air travel themed teams.
 
2013-06-17 02:55:43 PM  
Should be the Thunderbirds. Do they still play in Seattle?
 
2013-06-17 03:00:21 PM  

yanceylebeef: Should be the Thunderbirds. Do they still play in Seattle?


Yes, but south of downtown now.  They no longer play in Key Arena.
 
2013-06-17 03:02:01 PM  
This will not happen but I wish it would.  Also, Seattle Coyotes is a good name and there are lots of Coyotes in the Northwest
 
2013-06-17 03:03:18 PM  
Could be worse...could have been Walla Walla, Keokuk or Cucamonga.
 
2013-06-17 03:03:23 PM  
Baristas? Fish-Tossers? Bosworths? Fark Airbus?

Actually, if this does happen I think it's gotta be either Metropolitans, Thunderbirds or Pilots.
 
2013-06-17 03:03:30 PM  

FloydA: Dear Phoenix
As a Seattlite and a sports fan, I have to say that this would be a great thing for sports in Seattle.
So for that reason alone, please allow me to reassure you that it's not going to happen.


Yup. They're just floating this to get Glendale to bend over and take it with no lube, which they will ultimately do.
 
2013-06-17 03:04:47 PM  

dletter: And "Reign" would be better than "Rain", but, it's been used twice by women's teams in Seattle (currently by their Women's soccer team), so, not sure they'd go with that.


Reign is an awful name.  Rain isn't any better
 
2013-06-17 03:05:36 PM  

yanceylebeef: Should be the Thunderbirds. Do they still play in Seattle?


I suspect the TBirds would move to Boise, and the Steelheads would move to Kent with big club affiliation.
 
2013-06-17 03:06:07 PM  

tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-17 03:06:26 PM  
They should just go with the Sounders.  Build on the same hipster fanbase.  Plus euro teams/clubs represent different sports, so it's not unheard of.
 
2013-06-17 03:06:48 PM  
I don't get the avation-themed team names.  Wasn't that for Boeing, which was located there?  They've moved to Chicago now, haven't they?
 
2013-06-17 03:07:04 PM  
Seattle is one of the few American cities that should get a NHL franchise before Canada.  I would have no problem seeing Phoenix move there.

/Seattle, Quebec City, Kansas City, Hamilton should get teams
 
2013-06-17 03:07:24 PM  
Since we're building the new arena and all, I say Sacramento steps in and grabs Seattle's NHL bid as well. Not because I like hockey, but more because I'm a fan of sports rage.
 
2013-06-17 03:10:57 PM  
I think "Seattle Grunge" would be a good name for a hockey team.  It sounds tough, they could go with a flannel look for the uniforms, and it's a good description of the dock areas.
 
2013-06-17 03:12:08 PM  
Two words:

Yes please.

/day one season ticket holder if they host the team anywhere other than the Key.
//also, bring back the Sonics if it isn't too much trouble. kthxbai
 
2013-06-17 03:12:27 PM  

Cagey B: Since we're building the new arena and all, I say Sacramento steps in and grabs Seattle's NHL bid as well. Not because I like hockey, but more because I'm a fan of sports rage.


cdn.pjmedia.com
 
2013-06-17 03:13:02 PM  

downstairs: They've moved to Chicago now, haven't they?


HQ, yes. There's still umpteen Boeing plants and umpteen thousand employees in the area.
 
2013-06-17 03:14:41 PM  
This WOULD be an improvement... :P
 
2013-06-17 03:15:15 PM  
How about this....we trade the Bucks to Seattle for their NBA team and we take the Coyotes for the NHL team we want more than a shiatty NBA team.
 
2013-06-17 03:18:12 PM  
I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.
 
2013-06-17 03:19:26 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: yanceylebeef: Should be the Thunderbirds. Do they still play in Seattle?

Yes, but south of downtown now.  They no longer play in Key Arena.


No, they play outside of Seattle in Kent. The ShowWare center, I think it's called.

/went to a game vs. Everett last year. It's a bunch of 17 year olds playing hockey. Nothing like NHL.
 
2013-06-17 03:19:55 PM  

seumasokelly: I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.


The old WHL team was 'Totems'. And yea, I'm old enough to have seen them play.
 
2013-06-17 03:22:34 PM  

buckeyebrain: tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x200]


They did eventually turn into a really good franchise, they just had to head to New Jersey first and get a guy to run it who never did pro-hockey before.
 
2013-06-17 03:23:03 PM  
Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans
 
2013-06-17 03:24:47 PM  

eagles95: How about this....we trade the Bucks to Seattle for their NBA team and we take the Coyotes for the NHL team we want more than a shiatty NBA team.


Why not get the Admirals to about 10k average attendance first, and then you can think about the jump to support an NHL team (which then you'll need to draw at least 13-14k avg).   I mean, if you have a good core base of hockey fans, that shouldn't be hard.   Right now the Admirals averaging about 6k isn't a good sign to say "bring the NHL".
 
2013-06-17 03:24:49 PM  

wxboy: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

Seattle Lahars.


I am thinking of what the Hipsters of Seattle will decide their new NHL team name to be, but it's probably an obscure one that I have never heard before.
 
2013-06-17 03:25:04 PM  

seumasokelly: I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.


My vote would be for the Metropolitans.

How about the Crabbers or Crabs. That would be a weird or good, likely awful..but accurate name.
 
2013-06-17 03:25:26 PM  

Killer Cars: downstairs: They've moved to Chicago now, haven't they?

HQ, yes. There's still umpteen Boeing plants and umpteen thousand employees in the area.


Gotcha, cool.  Still haven't visited Seattle, its one city I really need to get to someday.
 
2013-06-17 03:25:31 PM  

seumasokelly: I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.


The T-Birds are already Seattle's CHL (WHL) team.
 
2013-06-17 03:25:56 PM  

Donnchadha: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

Supersonics


so the former Jets become the Supersonics? It could work.
 
2013-06-17 03:26:06 PM  

MFAWG: seumasokelly: I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.

The old WHL team was 'Totems'. And yea, I'm old enough to have seen them play.


I like that
 
2013-06-17 03:26:48 PM  
Seatle Sasquach
The 'Squach'  are going to stomp Vancouver.
 
2013-06-17 03:26:50 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Hipsters of Seattle


I see what you did there.
 
2013-06-17 03:29:04 PM  

FloydA: seumasokelly: I'd say probably a 50/50 split between Thunderbirds and Metropolitans with a tiebreaker to Metropolitans since they won the Stanley Cup and all.

The T-Birds are already Seattle's CHL (WHL) team.


I know. That's where I got the name. My guess would be that were Seattle to get a NHL team, the Thunderbirds would move.
 
2013-06-17 03:30:01 PM  

MichiganFTL: tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.

Royals rank 25th in attendance per game in MLB (2013)
Chiefs rank 16th in attendance per game in NFL (2012)

Not really lighting my fire there...Granted, Seattle was 26th in MLB and 17th in NFL.


Seattle  is #1 in the MLS, with more than double the average attendance of the 4th highest team (Kansas City is 6th). Hell, the Sounders are outdrawing the Mariners on a per-game basis (and SKC is only about 2K behind the Royals). I'd say that both cities are willing to show up, at least for new teams (as in Seattle) or stadiums (KC).
 
2013-06-17 03:30:01 PM  
Welcome back Metropolitans!
The sweater should feature a gigantic geoduck held by a fisherman with extremely hairy hands.
 
2013-06-17 03:30:11 PM  

FrancoFile: I think "Seattle Grunge" would be a good name for a hockey team.  It sounds tough, they could go with a flannel look for the uniforms, and it's a good description of the dock areas.


DarkSoulNoHope:

I am thinking of what the Hipsters of Seattle will decide their new NHL team name to be, but it's probably an obscure one that I have never heard before.


I'm thinking neither of you has ever been to Seattle and you have absolutely no idea what Seattlites are like.

Hint: It's neither Brooklyn nor 1992.
 
2013-06-17 03:30:45 PM  
The Seattle Seal and use the old California Golden Seal uni and colors.
 
2013-06-17 03:33:10 PM  
seumasokelly:

I know. That's where I got the name. My guess would be that were Seattle to get a NHL team, the Thunderbirds would move.

It's possible.  Could be they'd end up as the reincarnated Tacoma Sabercats, or maybe WHL will expand into Idaho.
 
2013-06-17 03:35:58 PM  

FloydA: seumasokelly:

I know. That's where I got the name. My guess would be that were Seattle to get a NHL team, the Thunderbirds would move.

It's possible.  Could be they'd end up as the reincarnated Tacoma Sabercats, or maybe WHL will expand into Idaho.


Let's go Aryans!
 
2013-06-17 03:36:34 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: The Seattle Seal and use the old California Golden Seal uni and colors.


i105.photobucket.com
We could use the old Seal uni's and just change the name to The Giant Ugly Slugs.

/Seriously, how does that look at all like a seal?
 
2013-06-17 03:37:56 PM  

yelmrog: FloydA: maybe WHL will expand into Idaho.

Let's go Aryans!


i105.photobucket.com
The Fightin' Whities.
 
2013-06-17 03:38:39 PM  

FloydA: Hint: It's neither Brooklyn nor 1992.


Seriously. Pockets of each certainly do exist, but it's far from being a proper, all-encompassing stereotype in 2013.

I'll at least accept either "everyone's an IT/engineering geek" or "everyone shops at REI and talks about their favorite hiking trails" before those two.
 
2013-06-17 03:40:34 PM  

JayCab: MichiganFTL: tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.

Royals rank 25th in attendance per game in MLB (2013)
Chiefs rank 16th in attendance per game in NFL (2012)

Not really lighting my fire there...Granted, Seattle was 26th in MLB and 17th in NFL.

Seattle  is #1 in the MLS, with more than double the average attendance of the 4th highest team (Kansas City is 6th). Hell, the Sounders are outdrawing the Mariners on a per-game basis (and SKC is only about 2K behind the Royals). I'd say that both cities are willing to show up, at least for new teams (as in Seattle) or stadiums (KC).


Mariners attendance has waned steadily over the last 10 years because the ownership shows no interest in putting a good product on the field. It's hard to justify spending MLB money to watch a glorified AAA team get routed by mediocre opposition. People go to see Felix Hernandez and skip the other 4 games. Every Seahawks game is a sellout. Even when the Mariners stunk, people supported them because they were at least trying. Now, it's obvious their business model is headed toward the Pittsburgh Pirate's "pocket the TV money, to hell with the fans" model.
 
2013-06-17 03:41:01 PM  
Lumberjacks?
 
2013-06-17 03:43:00 PM  
Seattle Galoshes.
 
2013-06-17 03:45:23 PM  

JayCab: MichiganFTL: tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.

Royals rank 25th in attendance per game in MLB (2013)
Chiefs rank 16th in attendance per game in NFL (2012)

Not really lighting my fire there...Granted, Seattle was 26th in MLB and 17th in NFL.

Seattle  is #1 in the MLS, with more than double the average attendance of the 4th highest team (Kansas City is 6th). Hell, the Sounders are outdrawing the Mariners on a per-game basis (and SKC is only about 2K behind the Royals). I'd say that both cities are willing to show up, at least for new teams (as in Seattle) or stadiums (KC).


That's pretty much the entire rationale for building a new stadium in Sacramento - the Kings want to finally outdraw AAA baseball.
 
2013-06-17 03:45:46 PM  
There is only one reason why an NHL team in Seattle would be the best farking idea in the history of the Universe:

The Vancouver Canucks.

/actually, there are many reasons, but that is the biggest one
 
2013-06-17 03:46:49 PM  
Won't happen.   Bettman is likely using Seattle as a pawn to get things going between Glendale and the Coyotes.

Key Arena only seats 11,000 for hockey configuration.  Add about 3k more for "can't see half the ice" seats.
 
2013-06-17 03:55:11 PM  

Cagey B: Since we're building the new arena and all, I say Sacramento steps in and grabs Seattle's NHL bid as well. Not because I like hockey, but more because I'm a fan of sports rage.


I'm on board with this. I'd be getting season tickets day 1.
 
2013-06-17 03:55:35 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-17 03:56:27 PM  
Yeah right, as a Seattle resident. Im not even getting my hopes up at all this time.


Forgive me for not believing.
 
2013-06-17 03:58:23 PM  
If it happens, I vote for the Seattle Slashers.


but it wont happen.
 
2013-06-17 03:59:03 PM  
Quebec City is more likely.
 
2013-06-17 04:00:05 PM  

mentallo69: Yeah right, as a Seattle resident. Im not even getting my hopes up at all this time.


Forgive me for not believing.


We're more than likely being played. Seattle is now to the NHL/NBA what LA is to the NFL: A market viable enough to scare other cities into paying for arenas/stadiums.
 
2013-06-17 04:01:05 PM  
  11,000 seat barn? I am guessing, no f*cking way. Is hockey as popular in Seattle as it is in Phoenix?
 
2013-06-17 04:01:11 PM  

seumasokelly: mentallo69: Yeah right, as a Seattle resident. Im not even getting my hopes up at all this time.


Forgive me for not believing.

We're more than likely being played. Seattle is now to the NHL/NBA what LA is to the NFL: A market viable enough to scare other cities into paying for arenas/stadiums.


I know, This shiat is getting old.
 
2013-06-17 04:03:06 PM  

New Age Redneck: 11,000 seat barn? I am guessing, no f*cking way. Is hockey as popular in Seattle as it is in Phoenix?


Yes, Hockey is very big here but we only have minor league teams. They do pretty well. If Soccer sells out here, NHL can do well too
 
2013-06-17 04:03:43 PM  
No way Seattle would steal a team
 
2013-06-17 04:06:31 PM  

mikaloyd: No way Seattle would steal a team


Nope.  We're always at the other end of that transaction.
 
2013-06-17 04:07:57 PM  

FloydA: mikaloyd: No way Seattle would steal a team

Nope.  We're always at the other end of that transaction.


No kidding!
 
2013-06-17 04:08:11 PM  
The Raining Champions
The Rain men...
The Chiefs?
 
2013-06-17 04:16:09 PM  

TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans


Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?
 
2013-06-17 04:22:07 PM  

MichiganFTL: tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.

Royals rank 25th in attendance per game in MLB (2013)
Chiefs rank 16th in attendance per game in NFL (2012)

Not really lighting my fire there...Granted, Seattle was 26th in MLB and 17th in NFL.


NFL attendance figures are pretty much moot among the top 20 teams as most NFL stadiums sell out every weekend (including Seattle), and then it comes down to physical stadium size.

The NHL would do phenomenally well in Seattle, especially when you factor in a rivalry with the Canucks (and thousand of Canucks fans travelling to those games) and some residual people coming in from Oregon and Eastern Washington.
 
2013-06-17 04:24:30 PM  
Seattle Grunge.

(credit: @browntobure)
 
2013-06-17 04:27:45 PM  
Seattle is a much more respectable hockey market than farking Phoenix.
 
2013-06-17 04:28:07 PM  

LessO2: Won't happen.   Bettman is likely using Seattle as a pawn to get things going between Glendale and the Coyotes.

Key Arena only seats 11,000 for hockey configuration.  Add about 3k more for "can't see half the ice" seats.


It's not like Bettman has ever yanked a team away from a city recently.......

/fark you with no lube in a cold locker room for taking the Thrashers away
 
2013-06-17 04:29:14 PM  

Martonio: Seattle Grunge.

(credit: @browntobure)


No
 
2013-06-17 04:29:23 PM  

Martonio: The NHL would do phenomenally well in Seattle, especially when you factor in a rivalry with the Canucks (and thousand of Canucks fans travelling to those games) and some residual people coming in from Oregon and Eastern Washington.


What do you mean "thousands of Canucks fans traveling...."?  Their "fans" were skeptical of them in the playoffs, and the scalpers were taking it in the shorts for the playoff games against the Sharks.

Stop drinking the Kool-AId and calling this a rivalry.  For chrissakes, there isn't even a team name to label the rivalry.

And if the Kings soap opera didn't teach you anything, you shouldn't count the chickens before they're hatched.
 
2013-06-17 04:29:41 PM  

Martonio: NHL would do phenomenally well in Seattle, especially when you factor in a rivalry with the Canucks (and thousand of Canucks fans travelling to those games) and some residual people coming in from Oregon and Eastern Washington.


yeah, if the Sounders offer any kind of yardstick by which to measure, Seattle hockey would be insane.  And, Vancouver would offer an amazing rivalry.  Lastly, i venture to guess there are a farkload more people that grew up with the game.  that is one of main problems with the 'Yotes being here.  only the diest of the die-hard natives (a) care and/or (b) understand the nuance of the game, and the other 95% of fans are trnasplants, hence the "i love my 'Yotes.....except when my _____s* come to town!"

*red wings, blackhawks, rangers, pens, etc.
 
2013-06-17 04:29:44 PM  

SlagginOff: Seattle is a much more respectable hockey market than farking Phoenix.


So is/was Atlanta. Lot of good that did us.
 
2013-06-17 04:30:43 PM  

mentallo69: If it happens, I vote for the Seattle Slashers.


but it wont happen.


Get Gary Ridgway to drop the puck for the first home game and I'm in.
 
2013-06-17 04:31:02 PM  

KingKauff: It's not like Bettman has ever yanked a team away from a city recently.......


And it's likely not the first time Bettman has blackmailed a city with the threat to move to another city.
 
2013-06-17 04:31:35 PM  

KingKauff: SlagginOff: Seattle is a much more respectable hockey market than farking Phoenix.

So is/was Atlanta. Lot of good that did us.


When was Atlanta ever a respectable hockey market?
 
2013-06-17 04:33:02 PM  
This isn't a Gary Bettman thing, if a city is dumb enough to keep giving you free money you ride that gravy train as long as possible.
 
2013-06-17 04:33:57 PM  
Seattle Steelhead?  Olympians?  Satellites?
 
2013-06-17 04:34:46 PM  
Also before you guys start talking about "respectable hockey markets" take a look at attendance in Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Boston before those teams got good again
 
2013-06-17 04:38:56 PM  

PowerSlacker: KingKauff: SlagginOff: Seattle is a much more respectable hockey market than farking Phoenix.

So is/was Atlanta. Lot of good that did us.

When was Atlanta ever a respectable hockey market?


Pretty much the entire time the Thrashers were here. There is this aura that Atlanta didn't support the Thrashers. We did. We just didn't support the ownership group because they quit trying to keep their good players.
 
2013-06-17 04:39:05 PM  
I have a hard time imagining the Canucks not axing this deal, too close to their fan base that's been around far longer.

Milwaukee should get a team if anyone.
 
2013-06-17 04:41:57 PM  
It can be Metropolitans, but it needs a good animal logo to go with it.  Just not sure what kind of animal it could be, as there's already a hawk in the city, and just about every other good totem-pole animal in the league already.  Unless they did a polar bear or something?
 
2013-06-17 04:44:40 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Also before you guys start talking about "respectable hockey markets" take a look at attendance in Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Boston before those teams got good again


Oh goodness me, are you saying, that at a time of terrible ownership AND poor team performance attendance may be down? Such a revelation. I need to sit down. This is all so shocking.
 
2013-06-17 04:44:51 PM  

Martonio: MichiganFTL: tobcc: Once again, Kansas City will be skipped to get an NHL team.  I know we have a history of some of the suckiest teams in Pro Sports, but we usually have good attendance.  We built a brand new arena, with the "If you build it, they will come" promise, that we all knew was a lie going in.

Royals rank 25th in attendance per game in MLB (2013)
Chiefs rank 16th in attendance per game in NFL (2012)

Not really lighting my fire there...Granted, Seattle was 26th in MLB and 17th in NFL.

NFL attendance figures are pretty much moot among the top 20 teams as most NFL stadiums sell out every weekend (including Seattle), and then it comes down to physical stadium size.

The NHL would do phenomenally well in Seattle, especially when you factor in a rivalry with the Canucks (and thousand of Canucks fans travelling to those games) and some residual people coming in from Oregon and Eastern Washington.


Don't forget actual Canadian fans that haven't been able to actually get an affordable Canucks ticket for years
 
2013-06-17 04:48:24 PM  

Lunchlady: I have a hard time imagining the Canucks not axing this deal, too close to their fan base that's been around far longer.

Milwaukee should get a team if anyone.


"Rivalry" teams tend to do quite well, since the manufactured rivalry tends to drive up attendance and viewership.  The 'Nucks stand to benefit from a Seattle team so much that I bet the  Aquilini's and Gillis are begging Bettman to do this.

/Still not gonna happen.
 
2013-06-17 04:50:15 PM  
The Seattle Sasquatches
 
2013-06-17 04:51:42 PM  

FriarReb98: It can be Metropolitans, but it needs a good animal logo to go with it.  Just not sure what kind of animal it could be, as there's already a hawk in the city, and just about every other good totem-pole animal in the league already.  Unless they did a polar bear or something?


Why would it need an animal logo? I disagree. And what animal should represent "metropolitan"? A rat?
 
2013-06-17 04:51:44 PM  
Seattle Salmon?
Seattle Spawners?
Seattle Shotguns? With Kurt Cobain's photo for the logo?
 
2013-06-17 04:52:32 PM  

soupafi: Quebec City is more likely.


Quebec City isn't likely because Bettman can't stomach the thought of a second team from his Sunbelt experiment moving back to Canada. The look on his face during the Winnipeg Jets press conference was hilarious. He looked like he wanted to puke. Besides, the NHL don't want to move another team to the East after just realigning.
 
2013-06-17 04:52:39 PM  
With Seattle's proximity to Canada I can't imagine any outcome other than there being very high attendance and support if we get a team. There will be an immediate rivalry with Vancouver that we haven't had since the days of the Grizzlies and Sonics still being in the region. I won't be holding my breath for us to be getting the Coyotes, since this whole thing reeks of Seattle being used to put pressure on Glendale just like we were used to help Sacramento get their shiat together for the Kings a couple months ago. I do however think that Seattle is going to end up with both the NHL and NBA within the next 3 years. We'll be building a brand new NHL-friendly arena once we secure an NBA team, and Seattle has one of the best economies in the country so I have no doubt we can support four major teams plus the Sounders. I think many Seattle residents (including myself) don't know much about the game of hockey since we haven't had an NHL team in ages, but that won't stop people from showing up.

As far as names go, my first choice would be the Metropolitans because I think it's still a great name almost 100 years after they won the Stanley Cup. My second choice would be the Sockeyes because, well, that's a very badass name for a hockey team.
 
2013-06-17 04:53:21 PM  

soupafi: Quebec City is more likely.


No.  No it's not.  With the ink not yet dry on the re-alignment, and with the east already having more teams, there is no way they are going to Quebec City.  Or Hamilton or Markham or anywhere else in the eastern time zone. Besides in a few years, when Fark-You-Gary-Bergman decides it's expansion time, Quebec and Toronto(ish) will pay WAY more for the privilage.

So of the West there is Seattle good town, not good building and will a hockey team by itself be enough to get a new building?... Kansas City okay town and a shiny new building with the added complication of forcing the Av's into the Pacific division... or Vegas with pretty much neither.  Desert Geek had an interesting idea yesterday at the end of the game 2 thread about moving back to Phoenix from Glendale.  Again old crappy building for a year or two, but it would be an awesome FU to Glendale from the NHL.
 
2013-06-17 05:00:10 PM  

Lunchlady: I have a hard time imagining the Canucks not axing this deal, too close to their fan base that's been around far longer.

Milwaukee should get a team if anyone.


Is AHL hockey so much worse than NHL that the "hockey fans" of Milwaukee won't go to games (current avg attendance around 6k).   I mean, a bump to the NHL would expect to add I'd think around 3-4k fans, not over double their current attendance (which is what would be needed to support an NHL team).
 
2013-06-17 05:01:01 PM  

scoughlin: There will be an immediate rivalry with Vancouver that we haven't had since the days of the Grizzlies and Sonics still being in the region.


There never was a rivalry between the Sonics and the Grizzlies.   The only rivalry the Sonics ever had was with the Fail Blazers.

scoughlin: As far as names go, my first choice would be the Metropolitans because I think it's still a great name almost 100 years after they won the Stanley Cup. My second choice would be the Sockeyes because, well, that's a very badass name for a hockey team.


Metropolitans does have a nice ring to it, but since there is a Metropolitans in baseball, I'm not sure the NHL would go for it.  Sockeyes would be kind of cool, but that would easily be abbreviated to "Sox," and "Seattle Sox" sounds like a bantam team name.
 
2013-06-17 05:06:18 PM  

LessO2: scoughlin: There will be an immediate rivalry with Vancouver that we haven't had since the days of the Grizzlies and Sonics still being in the region.

There never was a rivalry between the Sonics and the Grizzlies.   The only rivalry the Sonics ever had was with the Fail Blazers.

scoughlin: As far as names go, my first choice would be the Metropolitans because I think it's still a great name almost 100 years after they won the Stanley Cup. My second choice would be the Sockeyes because, well, that's a very badass name for a hockey team.

Metropolitans does have a nice ring to it, but since there is a Metropolitans in baseball, I'm not sure the NHL would go for it.  Sockeyes would be kind of cool, but that would easily be abbreviated to "Sox," and "Seattle Sox" sounds like a bantam team name.


As a Grizzlies season tickets holder, we considered the Sonics and to a lesser degree, Portland, rivals (at least our biggest non-Jordan crowds were against Seattle, Toronto then Portland).
 
2013-06-17 05:08:17 PM  

ShadowKamui: TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans

Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?


Why not? After all, the old Winnipeg Jets had Stanley Cup banners for the 1896 PCHL Winnipeg Victorias.
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2013-06-17 05:12:34 PM  
LessO2:

Metropolitans does have a nice ring to it, but since there is a Metropolitans in baseball, I'm not sure the NHL would go for it.

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2013-06-17 05:13:53 PM  

sno man: Desert Geek had an interesting idea yesterday at the end of the game 2 thread about moving back to Phoenix from Glendale.  Again old crappy building for a year or two, but it would be an awesome FU to Glendale from the NHL.


Might just be my view of things from here in Bruins territory, but I just don't get why they decided to screw over half the area's population by moving it that far west in the Phoenix area in the first place.

\less stupid than putting teams in Phoenix, Florida or failing in Atlanta twice, but I digress
 
2013-06-17 05:16:46 PM  
I'm not even interested in seeing a Sounders game, let alone an imaginary NHL/NBA team.
 
2013-06-17 05:18:33 PM  
Ahh the whole Were gonna move your team to Seattle if you dont play by our rules game.


"Mongo only pawn in game of life!"
 
2013-06-17 05:23:48 PM  

sno man: Desert Geek had an interesting idea yesterday at the end of the game 2 thread about moving back to Phoenix from Glendale.  Again old crappy building for a year or two, but it would be an awesome FU to Glendale from the NHL.


Allow me to copy what I said for everyone here...

At this point, there are 4 scenarios I can see happening. Two of them are obvious and the other two aren't well known unless you know the politics going on in this area.

1) Glendale approves the deal and the Coyotes stay. Probability of this: 10%. I don't trust the Glendale politicians to get this done. If they kill the deal, they're risking bankruptcy of the town.

2) Glendale kills the deal, Coyotes move to Seattle, Phoenix is screwed. Probability: 35%. Seattle makes a lot of sense for a hockey market. Only issue is whether they could get a new building built quickly.

3) Glendale kills the deal, Coyotes move to Seattle, Phoenix is promised an expansion team in 2016. Probability: 30%. I get a feeling that the NHL would like to expand. The unbalanced conferences and the desires up in Canada for an 8th team just creates an opening to have 2 more teams. I know a lot of people don't like that idea, but the people in charge (the owners) probably would like it because it means more money.

4) Glendale kills the deal, Coyotes move back to downtown Phoenix, Seattle waits. Probability: 25%. Let me explain my thinking on this:

- Coyotes played in what is now called "US Airways Center" from 1996-2003 (moving to Glendale 6 months before the season cancelling lockout) and it sucked. Obstructed seats and just not a great venue for hockey, since it was a place built mainly for basketball.

- The current owner of the Phoenix Suns (USAC's main tenant), whom I refer to solely as "Cheap Ass Mother F**ker" (CAMF, for short) is not happy with his current situation. The City of Phoenix (who own USAC) won't work with him on certain things he wants to do around the arena (parking garages, hotels, etc.)

- In the next couple of weeks, USAC will turn 21 years old. That's ancient by modern arena standards. And the Suns have a 30 year lease.

- Here's the hypothetical situation: the Coyotes' buyers say to CAMF "let's move in to USAC for a couple of years while we get a new arena built on native American reservation land, specifically just outside of Scottsdale, AZ (with a reservation that has 2 very popular casinos). You can use our lease money to buy out the final 4-5 years of your lease and we move to this new arena at the same time." Oh, and the new building would be lease-free, involved no public money (the reservation would pay for it) and seat more than the USAC can.

I don't know if the Coyotes' buyers have talked to CAMF, but if they have; I'm sure this idea has been discussed. And of course, if option 3 happens; the expansion team could always join the Suns in this new arena.

Those are the 4 options. The only thing we know for sure: the saga will end in the next 2-3 weeks. And thank FSM for that!
---

A couple of thoughts on things said in this thread:

- Yes, a lot of this is a ploy to tell Glendale "get this done because you're farked either way." It's just up to Glendale to decide if it's with lube (get a deal done) or without (reject the deal, lose the team and risk going bankrupt).

-Seattle is a deserving market for hockey. The metro area population is only 300k or so less than the Phoenix area. Yes, that arena situation will blow chunks. It's actually worse than what the Coyotes had when they first moved here (and would have if my 3rd scenario came true) with obstructed seating (at least they put some sections under the overhang to maximize the seating available... and that image is the best I could find).

-Sorry eastern Canada. They're not moving up there. Blame Detroit biatching about moving to the East for that.
 
2013-06-17 05:26:28 PM  

FriarReb98: Might just be my view of things from here in Bruins territory, but I just don't get why they decided to screw over half the area's population by moving it that far west in the Phoenix area in the first place.


Quick version of the story:

- Coyotes owner at the time wanted to put the new building in south Scottsdale, AZ at a vacant mall.
- Scottsdale city council dragged their feet
- Glendale took advantage and got a deal
 
2013-06-17 05:32:29 PM  

FriarReb98: sno man: Desert Geek had an interesting idea yesterday at the end of the game 2 thread about moving back to Phoenix from Glendale.  Again old crappy building for a year or two, but it would be an awesome FU to Glendale from the NHL.

Might just be my view of things from here in Bruins territory, but I just don't get why they decided to screw over half the area's population by moving it that far west in the Phoenix area in the first place.

\less stupid than putting teams in Phoenix, Florida or failing in Atlanta twice, but I digress


DG would probably have a better answer with more detail, but I think Glendale City Council got dollar signs in there eyes, without having thought there cunning plan through.  Then baled on the all the rest of the development required to support it... The Yotes Owner at the time giving the whole thing about the same amount of thought and jumped at the new building because it was new, wrong location be damned.  (this basic scenario happened in Ottawa too, but Kanata has finally been building up around the rink...)
 
2013-06-17 05:32:56 PM  

desertgeek: - Coyotes owner at the time wanted to put the new building in south Scottsdale, AZ at a vacant mall.


and for years, i've said, "congratulations, scottsdale, you were to cheap to invest what would have been in 1999 dollars, perhaps $50-$70M dollars, and reap the benefit of secondary level retail investment (business development near the venue), tax revenue, construction, hotels, JOBS etc., and instead, 14 years later, that site that you so proudly held on to, you've reaped 14 years of NOTHING.  congratulations!"
 
2013-06-17 05:33:06 PM  
The Seattle Outsourcepartstochinathenwonderwhythenewplanecatchesfire
 
2013-06-17 05:34:06 PM  
and I wonder what Vancouver brass thinks of this potential move into their backyard?
 
2013-06-17 05:36:24 PM  

sno man: Glendale City Council got dollar signs in there eyes, without having thought there cunning plan through.


i'm not enough of a fan to intelligently pick apart the deal, but from what i read, both the NHL and Glendale have farked it up at just about every possible chance.  the Westgate mall never took off, the parking revenue goes to I think the NHL while Glendale is scraping by, and I think the NHL refuses to redo the deal (never mind that, ummm, NO ONE GOES TO GAMES) so they too, are proudly hanging onto 100% of no cars giong to games instead of maybe, just maybe, sharing some of the wealth.....
 
2013-06-17 05:39:50 PM  

KingKauff: PowerSlacker: KingKauff: SlagginOff: Seattle is a much more respectable hockey market than farking Phoenix.

So is/was Atlanta. Lot of good that did us.

When was Atlanta ever a respectable hockey market?

Pretty much the entire time the Thrashers were here. There is this aura that Atlanta didn't support the Thrashers. We did. We just didn't support the ownership group because they quit trying to keep their good players.


That's really a shame.  I admit I kind of wrote them off along with "Predators" and "Wild" on my list of "shiatty expansion teams with shiatty names."  But then I learned that the Brown Thrasher is Georgia's state bird and then it was kinda cool, and the logo finally made sense to me.

Anyway, this kind of helps reinforce my idea that while hockey may be less popular, it has more die-hard fans than other leagues.  Hopefully the third time will be a charm for Atlanta hockey.
 
2013-06-17 05:44:11 PM  

sno man: DG would probably have a better answer with more detail, but I think Glendale City Council got dollar signs in there eyes, without having thought there cunning plan through.  Then baled on the all the rest of the development required to support it... The Yotes Owner at the time giving the whole thing about the same amount of thought and jumped at the new building because it was new, wrong location be damned.  (this basic scenario happened in Ottawa too, but Kanata has finally been building up around the rink...)


Pretty much this. Add on to this that part of the money losses created by the previous owner was from renting office space in the surrounding shopping/office complex leaving office space inside the arena vacant.

I'm starting to work on a long blog post on this whole damn mess that I'll post when the story is finally wrapped up. I would much rather do that than kill Fark's servers any further with my rants on this.
 
2013-06-17 05:48:08 PM  
I otherwise don't hear much about happenings within local/municipality governments around Phoenix, but holy f*ck do they seem utterly incompetent whenever people with knowledge of the Coyotes' situation talk about it.
 
2013-06-17 05:50:21 PM  

rickythepenguin: sno man: Glendale City Council got dollar signs in there eyes, without having thought there cunning plan through.

i'm not enough of a fan to intelligently pick apart the deal, but from what i read, both the NHL and Glendale have farked it up at just about every possible chance.  the Westgate mall never took off, the parking revenue goes to I think the NHL while Glendale is scraping by, and I think the NHL refuses to redo the deal (never mind that, ummm, NO ONE GOES TO GAMES) so they too, are proudly hanging onto 100% of no cars giong to games instead of maybe, just maybe, sharing some of the wealth.....


Probably way more detail than you need or want, but the actual lease agreements are here scroll down to the Yote's logo.
 
2013-06-17 05:56:44 PM  
WHAR <b>ontariolightning</b> I WANNA TASTE DEM TEARS

also, <b>desertgeek</b> i am truely sorry for your lots
 
2013-06-17 05:57:20 PM  
fark you wysiwyg farkeditorrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2013-06-17 05:59:11 PM  

buckeyebrain: DarkSoulNoHope: Hipsters of Seattle

I see what you did there.


They could play at the "Brand you've never heard of Arena"

Oh, and they would have playoff beards all season. The flannel sweaters and skinny uni pants might be a bit ugly.
 
2013-06-17 06:01:39 PM  
sno man:

DG would probably have a better answer with more detail, but I think Glendale City Council got dollar signs in there eyes, without having thought there cunning plan through.  Then baled on the all the rest of the development required to support it... The Yotes Owner at the time giving the whole thing about the same amount of thought and jumped at the new building because it was new, wrong location be damned.  (this basic scenario happened in Ottawa too, but Kanata has finally been building up around the rink...)

That's the funny thing, Kanata was mostly building north/south then and is only recently starting to put residential near the arena.  So while there wasn't much but office buildings and car lots near the rink, there was still a lot of housing in the general area.  Glendale always struck me as "They're giving me tax breaks, YAY!"

That's not to say that there wasn't financial trouble in Ottawa due to the location, but that was the nitwit owners allowing Kanata and it's quasi-facist city council to dictate all the terms(especially on property tax).
 
2013-06-17 06:04:12 PM  

iron_city_ap: buckeyebrain: DarkSoulNoHope: Hipsters of Seattle

I see what you did there.

They could play at the "Brand you've never heard of Arena"

Oh, and they would have playoff beards all season. The flannel sweaters and skinny uni pants might be a bit ugly.


Oh look, it's a guy from the kick-ass state of Indiana making fun of Seattle. How amusing.
 
2013-06-17 06:08:08 PM  

El Brujo: iron_city_ap: buckeyebrain: DarkSoulNoHope: Hipsters of Seattle

I see what you did there.

They could play at the "Brand you've never heard of Arena"

Oh, and they would have playoff beards all season. The flannel sweaters and skinny uni pants might be a bit ugly.

Oh look, it's a guy from the kick-ass state of Indiana making fun of Seattle. How amusing.


Born and Raised in Pittsburgh, Currently live in Indiana, so yeah, it is amusing.
 
2013-06-17 06:13:02 PM  
I, Mr. 'no more public money for privately owned professional sports teams' says - I'm ok with this at the key, which we already built.
 
2013-06-17 06:15:17 PM  

mentallo69: If it happens, I vote for the Seattle Slashers.


but it wont happen.


I'd go for 'Green River Killers' or 'Bundymen' but that probably won't fly.
 
2013-06-17 06:18:19 PM  

KingKauff: LessO2: Won't happen.   Bettman is likely using Seattle as a pawn to get things going between Glendale and the Coyotes.

Key Arena only seats 11,000 for hockey configuration.  Add about 3k more for "can't see half the ice" seats.

It's not like Bettman has ever yanked a team away from a city recently.......

/fark you with no lube in a cold locker room for taking the Thrashers away


The only reason you lost your team is because no one would support and any sane businessman knew they would never make money there.

He tried to keep the team there, many times. What was, it three, four ownership groups?

The only thing Bettman did wrong was put a team back there in the first place
 
2013-06-17 06:19:15 PM  
For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.
 
2013-06-17 06:24:00 PM  

iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.


Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.
 
2013-06-17 06:26:58 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.


BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA
 
2013-06-17 06:31:27 PM  

desertgeek: -Sorry eastern Canada. They're not moving up there. Blame Detroit biatching about moving to the East for that.


This.  I've always thought that the Red Wings have truly screwed the league with this whole thing.  Not only is the Joe the 16th most Western arena in the league (by a few miles to Columbus), their major rivalries are with teams that are west of them anyway.  The NHL is the most eastern-heavy league out of the Big 4 sports by mean longitude, and only beaten by the NFL in average longitude because of the lack of LA teams.  At this point, the only thing I think could work is if they went to a model more like the NFL and MLB where there are two conferences/leagues spread out over the entire country, instead of relying on geography when it's clearly against them.  It's the only way this will ever be fixed.
 
2013-06-17 06:31:28 PM  
Team Name Ideas:

Seattle Metros (short for Metropolitans, thus you get the historical value of the original team, and the shortened name, updated colors, and no doubt updated and redesigned logo would make for easier merchandise sales)

Seattle Icehawks (I know, I don't like it either. Closest explanation is that there used to be a team called the Bellingham Icehawks years ago)

Seattle Pilots (hasn't been used since the baseball team left for Milwaukee, again a redesigned logo would not be bad here)

Seattle Wolverines (They are native to the area, plus the logo could look sweet by the end of the redesign)

Seattle Cougars (Again they are native to the area, and with a redesign...)

That is what I have thus far. I hope this hap[ens, as taking my son to a hockey game down there is much easier then having to cross the border to take him to one of the Canucks games.

// Canucks fan
/// Would support both teams
 
2013-06-17 06:34:26 PM  

mikaloyd: JohnBigBootay: Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA


I thought being a sell-out in Seattle was a bad thing?
 
2013-06-17 06:35:14 PM  
Why do people want the Seattle Metropolitans as a name? Because that team existed like 100 years ago.

I'd personally rather see something new, and if your gonna go old school the Totems is way better
 
2013-06-17 06:35:21 PM  

mikaloyd: BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA


now, i'/ve never been to seattle, but.....if they're selling out Sounders games, i have no doubt they'd back the NHL, an dback it bigtime, spesh if there's no likelihood of them getting an NBA 'chise back anytime.

/tangent:  slowly watching the "The Other Dream Team" documentary, about the 1992 Lithuanian Olyumpic Hoops team, and there's a stomach turning scene of David Stern announcing the 1989-ish pick where Portland selects Sarunas Marcialonus, who had just killed it at the 1998 Olympics for Russia (the subtext is the Russians invaded Lithuania in WWII, yet in 1988, had 4 Lithuanians playing for Russia.  To say they hated playing for Russia is an understatment).

anywyas, farking Stern, they show him at the podium smirking, and he goes, "with the 32nd pick....*half grimace, half smile*.....the....Portland Trailblazers......*imperceptible headshake*.....America's game?select, Sarunas Marcialonus, USSR."  he actually says that!  "america's game?"


and he just stands there with a "are you freaking kidding me?" look on his face.  I half expected him to make the "jacking off" hand gesture.

what a dick.
 
2013-06-17 06:38:52 PM  
They have to be called The Starbucks.
 
2013-06-17 06:40:06 PM  

uncleacid: They have to be called The Starbucks.


most sports fans in the city of Seattle freaking hate Starbucks....See NBA
 
2013-06-17 06:45:34 PM  

germ78: The Seattle Outsourcepartstochinathenwonderwhythenewplanecatchesfire


Seattle More like 'Scarebus', amirite??s
 
2013-06-17 06:45:37 PM  

mikaloyd: JohnBigBootay: Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA


Well, the arena is 11k.
 
2013-06-17 06:45:52 PM  

mentallo69: Why do people want the Seattle Metropolitans as a name? Because that team existed like 100 years ago.

I'd personally rather see something new, and if your gonna go old school the Totems is way better


It sounds cool. Sounds sort of classic, unlinke so many retarded new team names like Raptors, Wild, Predators, Wizards, Avalanche, etc.

/totems isn't bad. I prefer Metropolitans though.
 
2013-06-17 06:59:25 PM  

JohnBigBootay: iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.

Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.


They could easily sell out the arena at first. That's a no brainer. Can they put the team in the hands of good owners who bring in good management and fill a shiny, new 40,000 one in 2 years?
 
2013-06-17 07:03:34 PM  
Seattle?  Boring.  Tijuana Coyotes!

¡Vaya hombres del hielo con palos!
 
2013-06-17 07:06:04 PM  

iron_city_ap: JohnBigBootay: iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.

Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

They could easily sell out the arena at first. That's a no brainer. Can they put the team in the hands of good owners who bring in good management and fill a shiny, new 40,000 one in 2 years?


40,000???  Are you going to require every fan to sit on another fan's lap?
 
2013-06-17 07:09:06 PM  
you know what else is going on in the NHL?

how about a Game 3 thread mods!!
 
2013-06-17 07:12:24 PM  
WHERE THE FARK IS THE STANLEY CUP THREAD? Mods get your heads otta youre collective ass.
 
2013-06-17 07:12:55 PM  
LQA is a pain in the ass with Mercer all bunged up.  Keep your silly sports away from Key Arena.
 
2013-06-17 07:15:14 PM  

swankywanky: how about a Game 3 thread mods!!


if no thread by start of game, top thread on the Sports tab becomes it, right?
 
2013-06-17 07:16:36 PM  

SevenSeven: WHERE THE FARK IS THE STANLEY CUP THREAD? Mods get your heads otta youre collective ass.


Are you new here or something?

The threads only go green right before game time this year... usually.
 
2013-06-17 07:24:00 PM  

MrJesus: WHAR <b>ontariolightning</b> I WANNA TASTE DEM TEARS

also, <b>desertgeek</b> i am truely sorry for your lots


ontario had called for a truce after the conference finals ended. Anyway, he's been OK since the Leafs got eliminated and has delivered a few thoughts that I actually agreed with him on (although I expect him to explode if the B's take the Cup).
 
2013-06-17 07:35:04 PM  

Donnchadha: SevenSeven: WHERE THE FARK IS THE STANLEY CUP THREAD? Mods get your heads otta youre collective ass.

Are you new here or something?

The threads only go green right before game time this year... usually.


wrong. they have been up a lot earlier than now as of late. and no 10 plus years, although i was lurking for a bit.
 
2013-06-17 07:46:09 PM  

buckeyebrain: iron_city_ap: JohnBigBootay: iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.

Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

They could easily sell out the arena at first. That's a no brainer. Can they put the team in the hands of good owners who bring in good management and fill a shiny, new 40,000 one in 2 years?

40,000???  Are you going to require every fan to sit on another fan's lap?


I was thinking the league was wanting newer stadiums in the 40k fan range. After digging around, I was wrong. But in the article, they'd play at Key for 2 seasons while a new arena is built.
 
2013-06-17 07:54:01 PM  

FloydA: LessO2:

Metropolitans does have a nice ring to it, but since there is a Metropolitans in baseball, I'm not sure the NHL would go for it.

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2013-06-17 08:03:48 PM  

UncleStumpy: KingKauff: LessO2: Won't happen.   Bettman is likely using Seattle as a pawn to get things going between Glendale and the Coyotes.

Key Arena only seats 11,000 for hockey configuration.  Add about 3k more for "can't see half the ice" seats.

It's not like Bettman has ever yanked a team away from a city recently.......

/fark you with no lube in a cold locker room for taking the Thrashers away

The only reason you lost your team is because no one would support and any sane businessman knew they would never make money there.

He tried to keep the team there, many times. What was, it three, four ownership groups?

The only thing Bettman did wrong was put a team back there in the first place


No. There was only one ownership group. They also owned the Hawks and wound up not giving two shiats about the hockey team and the fans knew it. Nice try, though.
 
2013-06-17 08:04:52 PM  

iron_city_ap: buckeyebrain: iron_city_ap: JohnBigBootay: iron_city_ap: For the record, I've thought for years Seattle should have an NHL team.

Hockey will have more legs in seattle than baseball has proven to have. half a billion dollar stadium and a ten cent ownership group leads to sub 10k attendance on beautiful days. Not only would seattle support hockey I think they'd sell out every game.

They could easily sell out the arena at first. That's a no brainer. Can they put the team in the hands of good owners who bring in good management and fill a shiny, new 40,000 one in 2 years?

40,000???  Are you going to require every fan to sit on another fan's lap?

I was thinking the league was wanting newer stadiums in the 40k fan range. After digging around, I was wrong. But in the article, they'd play at Key for 2 seasons while a new arena is built.




40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs
 
2013-06-17 08:06:41 PM  

ShadowKamui: TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans

Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?


Officially no since it isn't the same franchise. Ottawa does it here as well, all the cup banners from the original Senators are hanging from the rafters.

Nostalgia, that's all.
 
2013-06-17 08:11:02 PM  

Renegade Pervert: ShadowKamui: TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans

Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?

Officially no since it isn't the same franchise. Ottawa does it here as well, all the cup banners from the original Senators are hanging from the rafters.

Nostalgia, that's all.




Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.
 
2013-06-17 08:13:24 PM  

TeamEd: 40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs


The ACC in TO is a hundred or so south of 19k, and the last sections are a long way from the ice.  Why they didn't build it with 22ish is a mystery though.
 
2013-06-17 08:17:42 PM  

sno man: TeamEd: 40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs

The ACC in TO is a hundred or so south of 19k, and the last sections are a long way from the ice.  Why they didn't build it with 22ish is a mystery though.




IIRC the Gardens had more seating, but the ACC has much better amenities and way more boxes. Kinds tells you the priorities of the ownership. They could have easily supported an arena the size of Bell Centre. Instead, most Leafs fans have no hope of getting to a game. There aren't many sports teams where the typical working class fan goes decades between tickets, if they ever get to go.
 
2013-06-17 08:17:49 PM  

TeamEd: Renegade Pervert: ShadowKamui: TeamEd: Go with the Metropolitains.
You get to go the Senators route and piggy back on history and get awesome throwbacks as a bonus.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Metropolitans

Do they get the rights to the Stanley Cup win?

Officially no since it isn't the same franchise. Ottawa does it here as well, all the cup banners from the original Senators are hanging from the rafters.

Nostalgia, that's all.

Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.


Now, yes, 10 years ago we were in the same spot as the Coyotes, very very lucky to still have them here.

You are very right they mean a lot to our town, the founders leaned heavily on the nostalgia of the original team. We're a small market here so it is nice to have them stable and secure.
 
2013-06-17 08:22:38 PM  

TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.


plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
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might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
www.stufftotweet.com
 
2013-06-17 08:28:06 PM  
The Seattle Melvins. The logo will King Buzzo's head.
 
2013-06-17 08:29:26 PM  

sno man: TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.

plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
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might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
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That is exactly the throwback I'm thinking of. That thing is awesome in the same way the Sens "O" sweater is great, plus candy cane colours. That sweater would sell extremely well.

Renegade Pervert Yeah, the nostalgia didn't mean anything when the team was afwul and in bankruptcy, but it's a real asset now.
 
2013-06-17 08:35:32 PM  

Killer Cars: FloydA: Hint: It's neither Brooklyn nor 1992.

Seriously. Pockets of each certainly do exist, but it's far from being a proper, all-encompassing stereotype in 2013.

I'll at least accept either "everyone's an IT/engineering geek" or "everyone shops at REI and talks about their favorite hiking trails" before those two.


. . . note to self: if this does go through or they get an expansion team, as soon as current work contract is up, buy umbrella.

/you can get tea there as well as coffee, right?

//sorry, ball fans, Supersonics is a much better name for a hockey team than it is for basketball, purely because you can skate faster than you can run
 
2013-06-17 08:35:53 PM  
You want it to make money? You put it in Canada Seattle will fail. Not as badly as Phoenix though. I suppose people from vancouver will flock to see cheaper hockey. Maybe thats what they are counting on.

But they have a framework in place for a deal in Phoenix right Gary?
 
2013-06-17 08:36:54 PM  

TeamEd: sno man: TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.

plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
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might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
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That is exactly the throwback I'm thinking of. That thing is awesome in the same way the Sens "O" sweater is great, plus candy cane colours. That sweater would sell extremely well.

Renegade Pervert Yeah, the nostalgia didn't mean anything when the team was afwul and in bankruptcy, but it's a real asset now.


Ha, very true, it worked when they were dragging out Frank Finnegan's corpse to rally the troops before landing the franchise, not so much in 2003... Christ I honestly have no idea how we kept them. The Euge got the sweetest deal in the world when he saved them.
 
2013-06-17 08:42:09 PM  

Renegade Pervert: TeamEd: sno man: TeamEd: Nostalgia is good for business, though. In Ottawa it's a big part of the feeling that the team is part of the community and there for good.

plus you get to claim to be a past champion instantly...
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might wanna save the three colour striped sweater for a Winter Classic, though...
[www.stufftotweet.com image 275x215]

That is exactly the throwback I'm thinking of. That thing is awesome in the same way the Sens "O" sweater is great, plus candy cane colours. That sweater would sell extremely well.

Renegade Pervert Yeah, the nostalgia didn't mean anything when the team was afwul and in bankruptcy, but it's a real asset now.

Ha, very true, it worked when they were dragging out Frank Finnegan's corpse to rally the troops before landing the franchise, not so much in 2003... Christ I honestly have no idea how we kept them. The Euge got the sweetest deal in the world when he saved them.




Yeah. He's a lucky owner. But really, the Canadian teams are all healthier now that the dollars is stable near parity.
 
2013-06-17 08:53:56 PM  
Seattle Mudder-Puckers?
 
2013-06-17 09:05:42 PM  

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


How about, MichiganFTL doesn't know WTF he's talking about? Is that an option?
 
2013-06-17 09:28:37 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

How about, MichiganFTL doesn't know WTF he's talking about? Is that an option?




Dunno, don't think it'll look good on a jersey. 'Shop one and we'll decide.
 
2013-06-17 09:31:17 PM  

sno man: TeamEd: 40k is ridiculously huge for hockey -- too big for any arena sport, really. The top row at the Bell Centre is like staring down into the Grand Canyon ad it is and it's only about 22k.
/ That said, Toronto or Montreal could support 40k fans and have regular sell-outs

The ACC in TO is a hundred or so south of 19k, and the last sections are a long way from the ice.  Why they didn't build it with 22ish is a mystery though.


It is because the ACC was built with the Raptors in mind. It was a big reason why MLSE bought the Raptors because their ownership group also successfully got the ACC funding and land off the ground.
 
2013-06-17 09:35:13 PM  

IlGreven: FloydA: LessO2:

Metropolitans does have a nice ring to it, but since there is a Metropolitans in baseball, I'm not sure the NHL would go for it.

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2013-06-17 10:03:39 PM  
Good, they should have been out of Arizona a few years ago.
 
2013-06-17 11:04:43 PM  
Seattle Satellites
Seattle Storm
Seattle Pikes
Seattle Trolls
 
2013-06-17 11:13:03 PM  

Renegade Pervert: Now, yes, 10 years ago we were in the same spot as the Coyotes, very very lucky to still have them here.

You are very right they mean a lot to our town, the founders leaned heavily on the nostalgia of the original team. We're a small market here so it is nice to have them stable and secure.


I'm sure Ottawa supports hockey better than Portland would, but it still becomes a WTF moment that Seattle (metro area ~4 million) and Portland (metro area 2.2 million) don't have NHL teams but Ottawa (metro area 1.2 million) does.  Especially when Portland has a perfectly good hockey arena and can draw 10,000+ people per game for a bunch of teenagers playing hockey.  Throw in the Portland/Seattle/Vancouver soccer rivalry and I have to ask...  Where the fark is our hockey?

/rumor has it when the Penguins were talking about moving here in the late 90s they sold out 7,000 season ticket reservations at $25/seat in under a month
//that was without a team in hand or anything, just speculation that Portland might get a team in the Rose Garden
///only a fool like Bettman would be too stupid to realize expanding to PDX and SEA would balance the conferences, create a natural rivalry, and service part of the US that has no NHL teams but is farking thirsty as hell for it
/dumbass
 
2013-06-17 11:21:51 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: The Seattle Seal and use the old California Golden Seal uni and colors.


You do realize that the Sharks are kind of the same organization as the Seals, right?

Basically, the Seals (after a year as the Barons) merged into the Stars, and then the Gunds, former owners of the Seals and now part owners of the Stars, got an expansion team in the bay area, but they got half of the Stars roster, and both the Sharks and Stars took part in the expansion draft. Essentially, they undid the merge.

So yeah- the Sharks might get more than a little bit upset if you tried that.
 
2013-06-17 11:21:58 PM  

davidphogan: Renegade Pervert: Now, yes, 10 years ago we were in the same spot as the Coyotes, very very lucky to still have them here.

You are very right they mean a lot to our town, the founders leaned heavily on the nostalgia of the original team. We're a small market here so it is nice to have them stable and secure.

I'm sure Ottawa supports hockey better than Portland would, but it still becomes a WTF moment that Seattle (metro area ~4 million) and Portland (metro area 2.2 million) don't have NHL teams but Ottawa (metro area 1.2 million) does.  Especially when Portland has a perfectly good hockey arena and can draw 10,000+ people per game for a bunch of teenagers playing hockey.  Throw in the Portland/Seattle/Vancouver soccer rivalry and I have to ask...  Where the fark is our hockey?

/rumor has it when the Penguins were talking about moving here in the late 90s they sold out 7,000 season ticket reservations at $25/seat in under a month
//that was without a team in hand or anything, just speculation that Portland might get a team in the Rose Garden
///only a fool like Bettman would be too stupid to realize expanding to PDX and SEA would balance the conferences, create a natural rivalry, and service part of the US that has no NHL teams but is farking thirsty as hell for it
/dumbass


So reminding you that Winnipeg has a few less than 750k and won the last moving team would be like poking you with a stick?
The "Next" team might well be New Jersey, that would re-balance the East and West...
 
2013-06-17 11:31:39 PM  
Seattle Rainiers
Seattle S.L.U.T.s
Seattle Shipping Containers
Seattle Bike Lanes

/got nothin'
 
2013-06-17 11:34:32 PM  
I'm going to rant more.  Bettman is really, really farking stupid.  It just pisses me off that he has major markets laying all over the country that would do better than Phoenix, but he's not going to back off on his failed bet.

farking hell, in the past three years in Portland I can't go to a bar during the Stanley Cup Finals and not find a TV with it on and hockey fans around.  Lots of them are 18-34, if not most of them.  They're the same people I see when the Timbers play.  The Timbers can pretty much sell out any game they play.  They got a few thousand people to show up on a weekday morning to watch them play 9 year olds for a charity.  The farking Winterhawks can draw 11,000+ people per game, but nobody can be bothered to get Paul Allen on board with using the Rose Quarter/Memorial  Coliseum for an NHL team in a market that likes hockey?

Something like thirty percent of this city is from the east coast/MN/MI/OH/IL, and we love other European sports.  Portland actually has a fairly high number of Europeans in the metro area because of all the tech jobs, and soccer absolutely farking kills it here, but we can't get professional hockey in town?

Hell, it's not even this town, it's the farking region.  Without a farking passport the easiest way to see an NHL game in the PNW is to fly to the farking Bay Area and see the farking Sharks.

Holy fark Bettman.  You suck.  You're too blinded by greed to see the cash cow ready to squirt hipster's trust funds right into your teams' bank accounts.
 
2013-06-17 11:35:26 PM  

Plush_Cthulhu: Seattle S.L.U.T.s


Seattle Bag of Dicks?
 
2013-06-17 11:37:51 PM  
Seattle Stealers
 
2013-06-17 11:45:58 PM  
I lived in Peoria and Goodyear from '03 to '05 and was front seat for the Glendale Arena and Cardinals stadiums coming on line. The whole point of building the arena and the stadium with mostly housing around it was to turn the surrounding area into a shopping center/restaurant area to increase Glendale's tax income. Right as the arena went online, the company chosen to develop the area lost a bunch of money and pulled out, so you have two almost new sports venues sitting in the middle of nowhere. The Coyotes' fan base shrunk because the Phoenix fans didn't want to go all the way to Glendale to watch a sport that had lost its novelty. While America West Arena sucked rocks for hockey, transplanting the Coyotes made no sense beyond giving the team their own place. Glendale shouldn't have done the arena, but I learned in two years in the Valley of the Sun that you should *never* underestimate the cravenness or outright stupidity of municipal leadership in and around Phoenix. There is no scenario where the Coyotes become more than a barely break even proposition. Add to all of this the fact that only the Suns have a somewhat loyal fanbase and the other three are only followed when they're winning and it's pretty clear that hockey in PHX is a failed experiment. Everyone in Phoenix comes from somewhere else and they carry their sports loyalties with them. Go to Mesa sometime and check out all of the Chicago Cubs stuff you'll see...

All of that said, they're not going anywhere. Glendale will bend over and give more money they don't have and Bettman won't want one of the Sun Belt teams he has a fetish for move after the burning of Atlanta. However, my prediction is that unless the new owners sign a long term lease (doubtful at best) they're gone within five years.

And I vote for either Thunderbirds or Seawolves for a potential name if/when Seattle gets an NHL team.
 
2013-06-17 11:55:17 PM  

sno man: So reminding you that Winnipeg has a few less than 750k and won the last moving team would be like poking you with a stick?
The "Next" team might well be New Jersey, that would re-balance the East and West...


Not at all.  They're a legit hockey town.  I'm just disgusted that Bettman and NHL owners keep skipping over a region of 7-8 million people with a fairly solid ready to go fan base in favor of saving a failed southern strategy.  Some of the teams work, some don't.

Why not expand to Portland/Seattle, move PHX to the other, push a team back west, and add a Quebec/Hamilton team?  That's balanced conferences, it's a few new rivalries that will naturally come together, it gets pro hockey back into the most populous gap in NHL coverage (7+ million people who need to travel hundreds of miles if they don't have a passport, and from Portland even with a passport it's not exactly a day trip to drive to Vancouver.)

If the NHL wants to increase the depth of talent available they should be trying to expose as many kids as possible to professional hockey.  Skipping over a region that has fallen in love with soccer just seems completely farking retarded on the NHL management's behalf.

Portland as an NFL city would be a farking disaster, but the NHL doesn't seem to realize they're nothing like the NFL.  Besides, U Oregon already has a pro football team.
 
2013-06-18 01:37:37 AM  

davidphogan: I'm just disgusted that Bettman and NHL owners keep skipping over a region of 7-8 million people with a fairly solid ready to go fan base in favor of saving a failed southern strategy.


it remains a mystery who the owners who are subsidizing Gary's losses go along with his desperate attempt to prove himself right after so much failure. why on earth would Toronto or Boston want to keep a team around that is perpetually in need to revenue sharing?
 
2013-06-18 01:40:06 AM  

december: davidphogan: I'm just disgusted that Bettman and NHL owners keep skipping over a region of 7-8 million people with a fairly solid ready to go fan base in favor of saving a failed southern strategy.

it remains a mystery who the owners who are subsidizing Gary's losses go along with his desperate attempt to prove himself right after so much failure. why on earth would Toronto or Boston want to keep a team around that is perpetually in need to revenue sharing?


Maybe because they're making more money now despite the revenue sharing than they did pre-Bettman?
 
2013-06-18 01:52:18 AM  
So... They'll move to Vancouver's secondary market ? That almost makes more sense than Quebec City when you think of it that way...
Quebec City is building an arena just for this to be ready by 2015 (with the old place where the Nordiques played still up if the call comes)
Too bad Bettman hates Canada... For a population of 30 million and only 7 teams, the NHL gets only 40% of its tv revenues from the Canucks, Habs, Leafs, Jets, Sens, Oilers and Flames fans.

From what i glanced the Coyotes are right now playing in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of a shopping complex that somehow only has its sports venue and a convention center to keep them afloat.

/Quebecer
//Saw one live game as a kid: Whalers vs Nordiques. 
///Quebec Bulldogs, Stanley cup winners 1912-1913, yes a century ago
 
2013-06-18 02:03:53 AM  
I love this thread!
 
2013-06-18 02:41:13 AM  
For the record, I want the team name to be Thunderbirds, not Metropolitans. The "Metrosexuals" jokes would get old by joke #2. Even the New York Mets don't have to deal with that much.
 
2013-06-18 02:41:30 AM  

mentallo69: If it happens, I vote for the Seattle Slashers.


but it wont happen.


Seattle syringes
 
2013-06-18 02:59:16 AM  

desertgeek: december: davidphogan: I'm just disgusted that Bettman and NHL owners keep skipping over a region of 7-8 million people with a fairly solid ready to go fan base in favor of saving a failed southern strategy.

it remains a mystery who the owners who are subsidizing Gary's losses go along with his desperate attempt to prove himself right after so much failure. why on earth would Toronto or Boston want to keep a team around that is perpetually in need to revenue sharing?

Maybe because they're making more money now despite the revenue sharing than they did pre-Bettman?


sure, but do you know anyone who spends good money after bad and says "it's ok ... making money elsewhere." No. It has to burn to scratch that check year after year. In light of viable alternative markets I don't understand why there is not more internal pressure to cut and run. These are smart business men with big egos. Bettman has spent over $200 million of the owners' money trying to keep the team in PHX. I just don't get it.

another thing: the players get a share of the revenue. Dumping PHX would improve revenue and thus increase the size of the players' share. Why is the NHLPA not forcing the issue?
 
2013-06-18 03:42:05 AM  
As a native Phoenician and casual coyote fan currently residing in the Emerald city, I'm not sure what to think of this...
 
2013-06-18 09:03:57 AM  
So, there are 4 markets with an NFL & MLB team, but, no Arena (NBA, NHL) teams:
Seattle
San Diego
Cincinnati
Kansas City

About the only one who ever seems to get chatter for an arena team is Seattle.   KC built their arena that is going to be "too old" pretty soon... SD & Cincy I don't think have even tried to get in the arena sports game seriously?
 
2013-06-18 09:35:02 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-18 09:43:27 AM  

MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds


Trust me - we don't need some douche from farking Michigan naming our teams for us.

/asswipe hater
 
2013-06-18 09:58:17 AM  

my lip balm addiction: MichiganFTL: New team name needed.

Options:

Seattle Queens ("Queen City")
Seattle Sucks (Self-explanatory)
Seattle Emeralds
Seattle Rain
Seattle Stillwontmakeitoutofthefirstrounds

Trust me - we don't need some douche from farking Michigan naming our teams for us.

/asswipe hater


[snark]
How about the Emerald City Wizards, Dorthy?
[/snark]

I like the Metropolitans, much like Ottawa with the Senators, it's got (albeit ancient) history, with some success, and the nostalgia factor is big.  Hockey loves history and tradition.
 
2013-06-18 11:09:08 AM  

FriarReb98: desertgeek: -Sorry eastern Canada. They're not moving up there. Blame Detroit biatching about moving to the East for that.

This.  I've always thought that the Red Wings have truly screwed the league with this whole thing.  Not only is the Joe the 16th most Western arena in the league (by a few miles to Columbus), their major rivalries are with teams that are west of them anyway.  The NHL is the most eastern-heavy league out of the Big 4 sports by mean longitude, and only beaten by the NFL in average longitude because of the lack of LA teams.  At this point, the only thing I think could work is if they went to a model more like the NFL and MLB where there are two conferences/leagues spread out over the entire country, instead of relying on geography when it's clearly against them.  It's the only way this will ever be fixed.


Well, rivalries are never really an issue when it's the Detroit Red Wings. Everybody in the league gets up when the Wings come to town, so just because they had a punch-up with Colorado and the Blackhawks have been good doesn't mean that Detroit isn't going to be making lots of friends and influencing people in the East. That's not really a good reason to keep them in the West, especially when they're an eastern time zone team.

You're right about the East/West split of hockey, though. Largely, that's a result of population, not choice - if you're trying to keep hockey in "cold weather" areas, there aren't enough people between the Rocky Mountains and the Great Lakes to support the franchises needed to keep it balanced with the east. As far as going to two nation-wide leagues, like baseball or football, I think that's highly unlikely. The time zone differences matter more in hockey, it seems, than in the other sports because of the higher athletic effort and/or shorter recovery time. Not to mention crossing the border, with all of its hassles.

After looking at the realignment, it's pretty obvious that the NHL is going to add two teams to the Western Conference in the next few years. Kansas City and Seattle have to be the two favorites, if they can pony up the dough, now that Winnipeg has a team. I'm not saying that Hamilton or Quebec City don't deserve teams, but that doesn't solve the problem with having an East-heavy league.  If you move the Yotes up to Seattle now, you're not really solving the problem with the league as a whole - you're just screwing over Glendale.
 
2013-06-18 12:55:04 PM  

dletter: So, there are 4 markets with an NFL & MLB team, but, no Arena (NBA, NHL) teams:
Seattle
San Diego
Cincinnati
Kansas City

About the only one who ever seems to get chatter for an arena team is Seattle.   KC built their arena that is going to be "too old" pretty soon... SD & Cincy I don't think have even tried to get in the arena sports game seriously?


You forgot about Baltimore.
 
2013-06-18 01:17:31 PM  

carnifex2005: dletter: So, there are 4 markets with an NFL & MLB team, but, no Arena (NBA, NHL) teams:
Seattle
San Diego
Cincinnati
Kansas City

About the only one who ever seems to get chatter for an arena team is Seattle.   KC built their arena that is going to be "too old" pretty soon... SD & Cincy I don't think have even tried to get in the arena sports game seriously?

You forgot about Baltimore.


I did, thanks.   Never really hear about Baltimore either, but, they are close enough to DC & Philly that I'm guessing most people there are 6ers/Wizards/Flyers/Caps fans?

/well, people in DC are barely Wizards fans
 
2013-06-18 01:18:47 PM  
 
2013-06-18 08:53:52 PM  
Just some follow up stuff on this:

1) A local sports radio guy who's usually on top of these things reported today that Dave Tippett has agreed in principle to stay as the Coyotes coach, provided the ownership issue is settled in the next few days. No idea if a move to Seattle kills the agreement. The general manager and his assistant have both signed contract extensions already.

2) The Coyotes are promoting various things for next season such as auditions for their off-ice entertainment team and so on. What to make of that, I don't know.

3) The Glendale City Council is being briefed on the terms of the proposed deal between the potential owners and the city this evening.

4) That deal was negotiated by an interim city manager. It was reported today that Glendale had named two finalists for the full time position and one of them dropped out.

/Yep, this is a clusterfark
 
2013-06-18 09:05:35 PM  

desertgeek: Just some follow up stuff on this:

1) A local sports radio guy who's usually on top of these things reported today that Dave Tippett has agreed in principle to stay as the Coyotes coach, provided the ownership issue is settled in the next few days. No idea if a move to Seattle kills the agreement. The general manager and his assistant have both signed contract extensions already.

2) The Coyotes are promoting various things for next season such as auditions for their off-ice entertainment team and so on. What to make of that, I don't know.

3) The Glendale City Council is being briefed on the terms of the proposed deal between the potential owners and the city this evening.

4) That deal was negotiated by an interim city manager. It was reported today that Glendale had named two finalists for the full time position and one of them dropped out.

/Yep, this is a clusterfark


Thanks for the update, local level detail is harder to find from here! Awaiting tomorrows news...hope it's good for you!
 
2013-06-19 01:33:01 AM  

desertgeek: 1) A local sports radio guy who's usually on top of these things



Mitch Levy?
 
2013-06-19 01:37:55 AM  

dletter: So, there are 4 markets with an NFL & MLB team, but, no Arena (NBA, NHL) teams:
Seattle
San Diego
Cincinnati
Kansas City

About the only one who ever seems to get chatter for an arena team is Seattle.   KC built their arena that is going to be "too old" pretty soon... SD & Cincy I don't think have even tried to get in the arena sports game seriously?


I can't speak for the rest, but San Diego had the Clippers at one point, but have never been a hockey town.  (I don't think the average San Diegan has seen ice in the wild.)  They did have minor league hockey, but that never seems to last.  The UTC mall had a rink that sometimes featured humans playing hockey though, if that counts for anything.

Anyway, Qualcomm (aka the Murph) is a shiathole on an environmental disaster.  It was polluted heavily by a nearby refinery or holding tanks or something, so while it's a shiatton of land on one of the priciest cities in the country, it's also pretty much a Love Canal.

So, if the stadium loses the Chargers, the Aztecs will also move to the new football stadium which the city will be on the hook for, plus they'll have to pay cleanup costs in order to eventually sell off the land to a developer and recover their losses through property taxes.

The good news is the Trolley goes through it and it has great access to I-8, I-15, and I-5/I-805 aren't that bad.  The bad news is there isn't really much space for a replacement facility in a good location in the city.

So, yeah.  The San Diego Sports Arena (it's had too many names to call it anything else) isn't a high priority.  They need to worry about keeping the Chargers and paying for where the Padres are playing before angling for another team matters in a city with weather as nice as SD.
 
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