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(Yahoo)   The arrest of Utah businessman and noted philanthropist Jeremy Johnson raises an interesting question: Should you really get credit for good deeds you do when they are paid for with money you defrauded from other people?   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 98
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2013-06-17 12:29:08 PM
Subby, consider these scenarios:

1) You are standing on a subway platform and I push you onto the tracks. A train is coming. Your ankle is broken and you cannot lift yourself out of the way. At the last possible second, I jump down and knock you sideways on the other track. The train misses us by inches. I help you up to the platform.

2) We go on a target shooting trip together. While your back is to me, I shoot you in the leg, severing your femoral artery. You lose consciousness. I stop the bleeding with a tourniquet and carry you on my back to the car, then speed to the nearest hospital. As a result of the operation that you receive, you lose your leg, but your life is spared.

3) You come over for a barbecue. I feed you a hamburger, which unknown to you I have poisoned with strychnine. As you lie convulsing in agony, I call poison control. The ambulance arrives and I inform the doctors of exactly what your dose was. They are able to save your life.

In all of these instances, have I not saved you from certain death? There, now your dumb question has been answered.
 
2013-06-17 12:37:20 PM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, consider these scenarios:

1) You are standing on a subway platform and I push you onto the tracks. A train is coming. Your ankle is broken and you cannot lift yourself out of the way. At the last possible second, I jump down and knock you sideways on the other track. The train misses us by inches. I help you up to the platform.

2) We go on a target shooting trip together. While your back is to me, I shoot you in the leg, severing your femoral artery. You lose consciousness. I stop the bleeding with a tourniquet and carry you on my back to the car, then speed to the nearest hospital. As a result of the operation that you receive, you lose your leg, but your life is spared.

3) You come over for a barbecue. I feed you a hamburger, which unknown to you I have poisoned with strychnine. As you lie convulsing in agony, I call poison control. The ambulance arrives and I inform the doctors of exactly what your dose was. They are able to save your life.

In all of these instances, have I not saved you from certain death? There, now your dumb question has been answered.


Lawyered.

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-17 01:50:32 PM
Yes*


*=With an asterisk next to your name for all time, please see:

New England Patriots*
Lance Armstrong*
Mark McGuire*
etc.
 
2013-06-17 01:50:40 PM
Robin Hood
 
2013-06-17 01:50:52 PM
Worked for Robin Hood
 
2013-06-17 01:51:03 PM
No good deed goes unpunished.
 
2013-06-17 01:51:39 PM

Evil Mackerel: No good deed gos unpunished.


FTFM
 
2013-06-17 01:52:56 PM
I got a funny feeling they've got plastic in the afterlife.
 
2013-06-17 01:53:14 PM
Jeremy?!

www3.images.coolspotters.com

Approves.
 
2013-06-17 01:53:38 PM
FTFA: The company allegedly lured in customers with the promise of easy money and risk-free guarantees, and it then would continue to charge the credit cards of "unwitting consumers" for pricey monthly subscription fees.

The best suckers are lazy, greedy, and your mom.
 
2013-06-17 01:53:52 PM
Why not. Isn't that what liberals do?
 
2013-06-17 01:54:39 PM
I was gonna say it worked for robin Hood but 2 other guys already beat me to it.
 
2013-06-17 01:55:16 PM
Robbing Peter to pay Paul puts Paul on your side.
 
2013-06-17 01:55:21 PM
The answer is simple:

img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-06-17 01:55:33 PM
Robbin Hood - Steals from the rich / Gives to to poor
Jeremy Johnson - Steals from the internet / Gives to the poor
 
2013-06-17 01:56:02 PM
Jeremiah Johnson made his way into the mountains
Bettin' on forgettin' all the troubles that he knew
The trail was wide and narrow
And the eagle or the sparrow
Showed the path he was to follow as they flew.
A mountain man's a lonely man
And he leaves a life behind
It ought to have been different, but oftimes you will find,
That the story doesn't always go that way you had in mind.
 
2013-06-17 01:57:00 PM
Its amazing how charitable folks can be with someone else's money. I see it all of the time when I reject folks expense reports. The first time they submit an ER, there's a $15 tip to the cab driver, 30% tip to the waiter, etc. Once I tell them that their tips aren't reimburseable the amounts reduce significantly.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-17 01:57:17 PM
Remember folks, all your Christian values can be suspended just by saying these magic words: "Don't take it personally, it's only business."
 
2013-06-17 01:59:26 PM
0.5 Cuil:

Pocket Ninja: I feed you a hamburger, which unknown to you I have poisoned with strychnine. As you lie convulsing in agony, I call poison control. The ambulance arrives and I inform the doctors of exactly what your dose was. They are able to save your life.

 
2013-06-17 01:59:32 PM

d23: Remember folks, all your Christian values can be suspended just by saying these magic words: "Don't take it personally, it's only business."


there is no christian value in that.
 
2013-06-17 01:59:39 PM
Only if you are a politician.  Then it is admirable.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-17 02:00:20 PM

Mosfet23: Robbin Hood - Steals from the rich / Gives to to poor
Jeremy Johnson - Steals from the internet / Gives to the poor


www.timdrussell.com

Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Riding through the land
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Without a merry band
He steals from the poor
And gives to the rich
Stupid biatch

Read more:
 
2013-06-17 02:00:45 PM
but if the kindness is separated from the foul by 10 years and a tree falls in the forest, will the benefactees hear a sound?

USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-06-17 02:01:14 PM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, consider these scenarios:

1) You are standing on a subway platform and I push you onto the tracks. A train is coming. Your ankle is broken and you cannot lift yourself out of the way. At the last possible second, I jump down and knock you sideways on the other track. The train misses us by inches. I help you up to the platform.

2) We go on a target shooting trip together. While your back is to me, I shoot you in the leg, severing your femoral artery. You lose consciousness. I stop the bleeding with a tourniquet and carry you on my back to the car, then speed to the nearest hospital. As a result of the operation that you receive, you lose your leg, but your life is spared.

3) You come over for a barbecue. I feed you a hamburger, which unknown to you I have poisoned with strychnine. As you lie convulsing in agony, I call poison control. The ambulance arrives and I inform the doctors of exactly what your dose was. They are able to save your life.

In all of these instances, have I not saved you from certain death? There, now your dumb question has been answered.


codinghorror.typepad.com
 
2013-06-17 02:02:08 PM
Track down all the cancer sufferers and retards that benefited from his largess.... and make them pay back every last penny .


THIEVIN' LEECHES

i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-17 02:02:16 PM
The correct answer is: only if the people you stole from did not include me and all of the people you stole from have significantly more money than me.
 
2013-06-17 02:02:35 PM
But enough about the Catholic Church.  Badump, bump.
 
2013-06-17 02:02:43 PM

neversubmit: Robin Hood


White Bulger.  He was always helping people out giving them money or a job, all the while selling their kids drugs
 
2013-06-17 02:03:25 PM
mattesonellislaw.com
 
2013-06-17 02:06:25 PM
Depends on the victims. Sometimes defrauding people is a good deed.
 
2013-06-17 02:07:12 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Its amazing how charitable folks can be with someone else's money. I see it all of the time when I reject folks expense reports. The first time they submit an ER, there's a $15 tip to the cab driver, 30% tip to the waiter, etc. Once I tell them that their tips aren't reimburseable the amounts reduce significantly.


Tips over x% (insert company policy here) shouldn't be reimbursed, but a company that doesn't reimburse ANY tips is just plain screwing its employees.
 
2013-06-17 02:07:32 PM
Ted Bundy once worked for a suicide hotline and probably saved several lives
 
2013-06-17 02:11:00 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: Jeremy?!

[www3.images.coolspotters.com image 133x200]

Approves.


Came for this.  Nothing else in this thread matters now.
 
2013-06-17 02:11:52 PM

Cheron: neversubmit: Robin Hood

White Bulger.  He was always helping people out giving them money or a job, all the while selling their kids drugs


Everything to everyone: ~ The hand that pulls you up is the hand that holds you down - a song.

OTOH

Zero sum game
 
2013-06-17 02:13:16 PM

Mosfet23: Robbin Hood - Steals from the rich / Gives to to poor
Jeremy Johnson - Steals from the internet / Gives to the poor


Robin Hood - Steals from the Govt to give back to the poor. That's why he had to hide in the forest.
 
2013-06-17 02:13:42 PM
 
2013-06-17 02:14:56 PM
Only if you're the government.
 
2013-06-17 02:15:26 PM

ObiWanSpicoli: Ted Bundy once worked for a suicide hotline and probably saved several lives


Heroism: The Bright Side of Psychopathy?

Heroes and psychopaths may have something in common, according to new research that links psychopathic personality traits to selfless behavior.

Yay! We're saved... Oh! crap!
 
2013-06-17 02:22:17 PM

big pig peaches: Only if you're the government.


Humm, now that you mention it, it does sound a lot like taxation.
 
2013-06-17 02:23:49 PM
Please note: Robin Hood.

I guess it would depend on whom you are defrauding subby.
 
2013-06-17 02:24:18 PM
Politicians do it.

Filter through the ideas your constituents make the most noise about.
Apply involuntary tax on private sector earnings or activity.
Hire private contractors to build something from materials supplied by other private industry.
Congratulate yourself and stare in wonder at the magical powers of government.

Ask for re-election based on your accomplishments.
 
2013-06-17 02:27:45 PM

suburbanguy: DROxINxTHExWIND: Its amazing how charitable folks can be with someone else's money. I see it all of the time when I reject folks expense reports. The first time they submit an ER, there's a $15 tip to the cab driver, 30% tip to the waiter, etc. Once I tell them that their tips aren't reimburseable the amounts reduce significantly.

Tips over x% (insert company policy here) shouldn't be reimbursed, but a company that doesn't reimburse ANY tips is just plain screwing its employees.


Tips are not required by law. If you received good service and you feel that a tip is warrented, then tip. The company isn't stopping you. This is a not-for-profit organization. I can just read the news articles now about extravagent tippers showering waitresses with your hard-earned taxes. We can't subsidize your big willy act. You've been flown to a location, set up in a hotel and given ground transportation and per diem for your meals. Its not asking a lot to pay your tips on your own. its also a control against fraud. Tips don't normally appear on the receipt electronically. We don't want folks to fill in any amount and pocket the money.
 
2013-06-17 02:28:52 PM

kombat_unit: big pig peaches: Only if you're the government.

Humm, now that you mention it, it does sound a lot like taxation.


More like a lottery aka the stupid tax
 
2013-06-17 02:28:55 PM
If he took from people I don't like and gave it to people I do like... then yes, he is A HERO!

Otherwise, he's a crook.  Sort of like our relationship with the savage Native American's -those drunken casino red-beasts.
 
2013-06-17 02:31:34 PM
Should you really get credit for good deeds you do when they are paid for with money you defrauded from other people?

Ask Bill Gates
 
2013-06-17 02:31:43 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: suburbanguy: DROxINxTHExWIND: Its amazing how charitable folks can be with someone else's money. I see it all of the time when I reject folks expense reports. The first time they submit an ER, there's a $15 tip to the cab driver, 30% tip to the waiter, etc. Once I tell them that their tips aren't reimburseable the amounts reduce significantly.

Tips over x% (insert company policy here) shouldn't be reimbursed, but a company that doesn't reimburse ANY tips is just plain screwing its employees.

Tips are not required by law. If you received good service and you feel that a tip is warrented, then tip. The company isn't stopping you. This is a not-for-profit organization. I can just read the news articles now about extravagent tippers showering waitresses with your hard-earned taxes. We can't subsidize your big willy act. You've been flown to a location, set up in a hotel and given ground transportation and per diem for your meals. Its not asking a lot to pay your tips on your own. its also a control against fraud. Tips don't normally appear on the receipt electronically. We don't want folks to fill in any amount and pocket the money.


I work for large US corp. Our policy for tipping is that "any customary tips" can be expensed. If I were eating on the company's dime in the US I would tip 15% (and it would be reimbursed).
 
2013-06-17 02:35:18 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

You can't cheat the mountain, Pilgrim.
Mountain's got its own ways.
 
2013-06-17 02:35:48 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: suburbanguy: DROxINxTHExWIND: Its amazing how charitable folks can be with someone else's money. I see it all of the time when I reject folks expense reports. The first time they submit an ER, there's a $15 tip to the cab driver, 30% tip to the waiter, etc. Once I tell them that their tips aren't reimburseable the amounts reduce significantly.

Tips over x% (insert company policy here) shouldn't be reimbursed, but a company that doesn't reimburse ANY tips is just plain screwing its employees.

Tips are not required by law. If you received good service and you feel that a tip is warrented, then tip. The company isn't stopping you. This is a not-for-profit organization. I can just read the news articles now about extravagent tippers showering waitresses with your hard-earned taxes. We can't subsidize your big willy act. You've been flown to a location, set up in a hotel and given ground transportation and per diem for your meals. Its not asking a lot to pay your tips on your own. its also a control against fraud. Tips don't normally appear on the receipt electronically. We don't want folks to fill in any amount and pocket the money.


So when the waitress or waitstaff at the hotel shiats in your morning oatmeal and you come down with e. coli, is /that/ reimbursable?
 
2013-06-17 02:38:19 PM
If you ripped of those Wall Street bastards then that would be a YES.
 
2013-06-17 02:42:38 PM

suburbanguy: a company that doesn't reimburse ANY tips is just plain screwing its employees


Agreed.

I don't travel for work any more, but when I did I was always reimbursed for my tips. In fact, the first time I turned in an expense report (not knowing I'd be reimbursed for them) I'd left out the tips. The accounting department promptly informed me I can, and should, include my tips. They never gave me a specific threshold, but I think 15-20% is customary, and that's what I did.
 
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