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(Guardian)   Poverty [x] Chastity [x] Sanctity [x] Gulfstream [x]   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 11
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2013-06-17 01:23:10 PM  
3 votes:
Nopparat said: "When Lord Buddha was alive, there wasn't anything like this. There were no cars, smartphones or cameras, so the rules were much simpler.

"While the monks need to keep themselves abreast of new knowledge, current events and technology, they are restrained to choose the appropriate tools."

He said one way to prevent the monks from misbehaving was for followers not to spoil them with valuable objects or vices. "In many cases, it was the followers who gave the monks the luxury. Some bought them sports cars. This is by no means necessary."


Those darn Buddhists, giving gifts and spoiling the monastic life for these poor, victimized monks!

I was in a Catholic monastery for a while.  I can tell you, it is not a hard life.  They live in relative luxury, while receiving money from people who write them and apologize - apologize! - that they can't send more, but they already put off buying their medication for a week to send what they could.

Monks and nuns exist only to maintain their life and to create more monks and nuns.  Parasites.  It's disgusting.
2013-06-17 01:11:16 PM  
3 votes:
What? You thought that all buddhists are exotic, austere saints you saw on TV and magazines?

They're just religious adherents, no different than your priest or rabbi. People in the far east probably think that the catholic church is just as incorruptible as you do buddhists.
2013-06-17 01:20:48 PM  
2 votes:
Baptist Preachers in American mega-churches read the article and wondered why all of the monks had to share the same private plane.


/10% or your gross pay...for God.
2013-06-17 02:18:22 PM  
1 votes:

jaytkay: Archbishop's house.
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In a neighborhood where a tiny studio condo costs at least $150K.


Yep, Cardinal Cody was the speaker at my high school graduation.  Asshole showed up in a limo, wearing so much jewelry it took two of his guys in suits and Raybans to help him out of the car.  He then delivered an hour long filibuster (inside a sweltering, non-air-conditioned gym with all of us wearing robes) on why WE all needed to give more money to the Catholic Church.  Even the Brothers were not pleased.

/never got over that, obviously
2013-06-17 01:57:58 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: He said one way to prevent the monks from misbehaving was for followers not to spoil them with valuable objects or vices. "In many cases, it was the followers who gave the monks the luxury. Some
bought them sports cars. This is by no means necessary."


I have to say this actually is true, at least in my experience (anecdotal evidence, blah blah blah). I work essentially as a volunteer for a local church; if someone needs dogsitting, needs errands run, help with putting together a service, running a rummage sale, plus the gardening I do. . . but I don't "ask" for payment for any of it. I have informed people of my situation, and if they feel so moved, they can help me out. With the dog sitting, we do get paid cash most of the time. But for rummage sales, I've gotten paid in a $100+ bath robe and a $300 dress. It's not like that really affects my living situation all that much (I can't really go out and get $300 worth of cheeseburgers for the dress), but it looks like I might be living in the lap of luxury to an outsider. Reality is, the fridge is empty and the cupboards are bare.

CSS: I was hanging with some friends, when an acquaintance walked up and involved herself in the conversation regarding finances. After stating that she was proud that she helps out so much at the church in spite of all the demands on her time and the very little money she makes, she looked at me (who had been taking notes on my iPad), and said, "Wow, must be nice to have all that money that you can afford an iPad". I responded by informing her that I'd gotten to iPad for free after winning a survey from Snap-On tools.

When you don't ask for payment, you can't really control what people choose to give you. The gifts people choose aren't always appropriate or helpful, but you accept them anyway. You just try telling a church lady that you don't want that banana pie she freshly baked you that morning for spending hours in the garden.
2013-06-17 01:31:17 PM  
1 votes:
In Thailand male teenagers usually live as "novices" for one or two years.  It's a rite of passage much akin to the Mormon missions and Catholic confirmation.  They live as monks for a couple of years then go on to do whatever they want.  Needless to say these kids are teenagers; they come to the Wat after about 16 years of iPods, Xbox, Rock & Roll, and pron behind them.  I'm guessing one of the novices in the photo has a wealthy family judging from the Louis Vuitton bags.  Rich kids live differently no matter the culture or nationality, but nothing says "mailing it in" more than flying in private jets with designer luggage during your novice years.

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2013-06-17 01:30:33 PM  
1 votes:
They aren't in a Gulfstream.
2013-06-17 01:28:24 PM  
1 votes:
Its not a Gulfstream...its a Cessna Citation CJ3.

/CSB
2013-06-17 01:25:05 PM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: I didn't know they couldn't drink.  I never knew Buddhism could be so lame.


Read Confession of a Buddhist Atheist nice book on the dissonance many are beginning to feel for a religion that appears to have been corrupted for the benefit of a few.
2013-06-17 01:24:55 PM  
1 votes:
Being a monk for a few years is a prerequisite for some local government roles and higher education in Thailand so, although it's not compulsory, it's kind of expected that most guys will spend a year or two as a monk before going back to being a layperson. Consequently they not only have a lot of monks, but they get monks from all slices of life and quite a few who don't really give a crap. Imagine any guys reluctantly attending a monastery instead of college*. Scandals with Thai monks violating their vows have been happening for ages, but social media has put it in the international light.

*Hollywood, you can have that one for free.
2013-06-17 01:24:47 PM  
1 votes:
But have these men have taken a supreme vow of celibacy, like their fathers, and their fathers before them?
 
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