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2013-06-17 01:06:46 PM
Bummer.  I thought maybe Joel Osteen's wife beat down another flight attendant.
 
2013-06-17 01:08:43 PM
I didn't know they couldn't drink.  I never knew Buddhism could be so lame.
 
2013-06-17 01:09:35 PM
static.guim.co.uk

I didn't choose the monk life.  The monk life chose me.
 
2013-06-17 01:09:58 PM
Ballin' like a big Bangkok!
 
2013-06-17 01:11:16 PM
What? You thought that all buddhists are exotic, austere saints you saw on TV and magazines?

They're just religious adherents, no different than your priest or rabbi. People in the far east probably think that the catholic church is just as incorruptible as you do buddhists.
 
2013-06-17 01:12:21 PM
I'm all for changing with the times, there shouldn't be an issue with them owning simple stuff like a modest wristwatch, or even a old school cell phone.

But I can understand the outrage if they're flashing expensive bling and driving sports cars.
 
2013-06-17 01:12:33 PM
I'm no detective, but something tells me those aren't really monks. Would it make any difference if that trip was donated?
 
2013-06-17 01:13:56 PM
They'd let you watch, they would invite you, but the Gulfstreams they fly would not excite you!
 
2013-06-17 01:19:56 PM
By your powers combined, I am CARDINAL PLANET!
 
2013-06-17 01:20:48 PM
Baptist Preachers in American mega-churches read the article and wondered why all of the monks had to share the same private plane.


/10% or your gross pay...for God.
 
2013-06-17 01:20:52 PM

skinink: They'd let you watch, they would invite you, but the Gulfstreams they fly would not excite you!


Nice!
 
2013-06-17 01:22:24 PM
static.guim.co.uk

I would be a lot happier if this pot was full of Heinekens
 
2013-06-17 01:23:10 PM
Nopparat said: "When Lord Buddha was alive, there wasn't anything like this. There were no cars, smartphones or cameras, so the rules were much simpler.

"While the monks need to keep themselves abreast of new knowledge, current events and technology, they are restrained to choose the appropriate tools."

He said one way to prevent the monks from misbehaving was for followers not to spoil them with valuable objects or vices. "In many cases, it was the followers who gave the monks the luxury. Some bought them sports cars. This is by no means necessary."


Those darn Buddhists, giving gifts and spoiling the monastic life for these poor, victimized monks!

I was in a Catholic monastery for a while.  I can tell you, it is not a hard life.  They live in relative luxury, while receiving money from people who write them and apologize - apologize! - that they can't send more, but they already put off buying their medication for a week to send what they could.

Monks and nuns exist only to maintain their life and to create more monks and nuns.  Parasites.  It's disgusting.
 
2013-06-17 01:24:47 PM
But have these men have taken a supreme vow of celibacy, like their fathers, and their fathers before them?
 
2013-06-17 01:24:55 PM
Being a monk for a few years is a prerequisite for some local government roles and higher education in Thailand so, although it's not compulsory, it's kind of expected that most guys will spend a year or two as a monk before going back to being a layperson. Consequently they not only have a lot of monks, but they get monks from all slices of life and quite a few who don't really give a crap. Imagine any guys reluctantly attending a monastery instead of college*. Scandals with Thai monks violating their vows have been happening for ages, but social media has put it in the international light.

*Hollywood, you can have that one for free.
 
2013-06-17 01:25:05 PM

Rapmaster2000: I didn't know they couldn't drink.  I never knew Buddhism could be so lame.


Read Confession of a Buddhist Atheist nice book on the dissonance many are beginning to feel for a religion that appears to have been corrupted for the benefit of a few.
 
2013-06-17 01:28:12 PM
We need to call Samuel Jackson to get these monks off the plane.
 
2013-06-17 01:28:24 PM
Its not a Gulfstream...its a Cessna Citation CJ3.

/CSB
 
2013-06-17 01:30:33 PM
They aren't in a Gulfstream.
 
2013-06-17 01:30:55 PM
twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com
You paying attention? I'm talking... G5, Pecker! That's how you can roll. No more frequent flyer biatch miles for my boy!
 
2013-06-17 01:31:17 PM
In Thailand male teenagers usually live as "novices" for one or two years.  It's a rite of passage much akin to the Mormon missions and Catholic confirmation.  They live as monks for a couple of years then go on to do whatever they want.  Needless to say these kids are teenagers; they come to the Wat after about 16 years of iPods, Xbox, Rock & Roll, and pron behind them.  I'm guessing one of the novices in the photo has a wealthy family judging from the Louis Vuitton bags.  Rich kids live differently no matter the culture or nationality, but nothing says "mailing it in" more than flying in private jets with designer luggage during your novice years.

/monkiamdissapoint.jpg
 
2013-06-17 01:33:58 PM

super_grass: What? You thought that all buddhists are exotic, austere saints you saw on TV and magazines?

They're just religious adherents, no different than your priest or rabbi. People in the far east probably think that the catholic church is just as incorruptible as you do buddhists.


Well, from what I've read in manga and watched in anime, they think the Catholic Church is an organization that secretly fights demons, werewolves and the big daddy of them all, vampires. And all the priests are secret super warriors who know how to throw blessed knives and shoot huge guns that are loaded with blessed bullets like they are straight out of John Woo movie.

I'm kind of sad that this isn't reality... Well, except for the super slutty nuns. I went to Catholic school. That's just...no...


/don't think the any of the priests were super warriors but the nuns...
//wicked with rulers
 
2013-06-17 01:36:37 PM
LoL! Man, I have got to get to Thailand.
 
2013-06-17 01:40:41 PM
Archbishop's house.
upload.wikimedia.org

In a neighborhood where a tiny studio condo costs at least $150K.
 
2013-06-17 01:44:09 PM
static.guim.co.uk
"You paying attention? I'm talking... G5, acolyte! That's how I roll. No more frequent flyer b*tch miles for this monk! Oh yeah! Playa... playa! Big dick playa!  Swingin' past my knees!"
 
2013-06-17 01:45:11 PM

Harry Freakstorm: [static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

I would be a lot happier if this pot was full of Heinekens


What you did there. I see it.

/one of the few good uses of that meme I've seen
 
2013-06-17 01:48:35 PM
*SHAKES FIST AT COOLHANDLUCAS*
 
2013-06-17 01:48:48 PM

Oppa Thai Monk Style!


static.guim.co.uk


Heeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy, sexy ladyboy!

 
2013-06-17 01:51:36 PM

FatherChaos: I didn't choose the monk life.  The monk life chose me.


I SO hope this spawns imitation YouTube parodies...
 
2013-06-17 01:57:58 PM
FTA: He said one way to prevent the monks from misbehaving was for followers not to spoil them with valuable objects or vices. "In many cases, it was the followers who gave the monks the luxury. Some
bought them sports cars. This is by no means necessary."


I have to say this actually is true, at least in my experience (anecdotal evidence, blah blah blah). I work essentially as a volunteer for a local church; if someone needs dogsitting, needs errands run, help with putting together a service, running a rummage sale, plus the gardening I do. . . but I don't "ask" for payment for any of it. I have informed people of my situation, and if they feel so moved, they can help me out. With the dog sitting, we do get paid cash most of the time. But for rummage sales, I've gotten paid in a $100+ bath robe and a $300 dress. It's not like that really affects my living situation all that much (I can't really go out and get $300 worth of cheeseburgers for the dress), but it looks like I might be living in the lap of luxury to an outsider. Reality is, the fridge is empty and the cupboards are bare.

CSS: I was hanging with some friends, when an acquaintance walked up and involved herself in the conversation regarding finances. After stating that she was proud that she helps out so much at the church in spite of all the demands on her time and the very little money she makes, she looked at me (who had been taking notes on my iPad), and said, "Wow, must be nice to have all that money that you can afford an iPad". I responded by informing her that I'd gotten to iPad for free after winning a survey from Snap-On tools.

When you don't ask for payment, you can't really control what people choose to give you. The gifts people choose aren't always appropriate or helpful, but you accept them anyway. You just try telling a church lady that you don't want that banana pie she freshly baked you that morning for spending hours in the garden.
 
2013-06-17 02:16:12 PM

Peki: You just try telling a church lady that you don't want that banana pie she freshly baked you that morning for spending hours in the garden.


"IS THIS PIE GOING TO PAY THE BILLS, YOU OLD COONT?!"

Easy.
 
2013-06-17 02:17:10 PM
I am greatly disappointed. Was hoping for strippers. 3 normal strippers with thier pimp shaking someone down to pay up front before the "private entertainment" happened.
 
2013-06-17 02:18:22 PM

jaytkay: Archbishop's house.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x240]

In a neighborhood where a tiny studio condo costs at least $150K.


Yep, Cardinal Cody was the speaker at my high school graduation.  Asshole showed up in a limo, wearing so much jewelry it took two of his guys in suits and Raybans to help him out of the car.  He then delivered an hour long filibuster (inside a sweltering, non-air-conditioned gym with all of us wearing robes) on why WE all needed to give more money to the Catholic Church.  Even the Brothers were not pleased.

/never got over that, obviously
 
2013-06-17 02:25:41 PM

CoolHandLucas: Its not a Gulfstream...its a Cessna Citation CJ3.

/CSB


I believe you're correct, but I was too lazy to work out a 'Citation needed' headline.
/submitter
 
2013-06-17 02:40:24 PM

UtileDysfunktion: jaytkay: Archbishop's house.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x240]

In a neighborhood where a tiny studio condo costs at least $150K.

Yep, Cardinal Cody was the speaker at my high school graduation.  Asshole showed up in a limo, wearing so much jewelry it took two of his guys in suits and Raybans to help him out of the car.  He then delivered an hour long filibuster (inside a sweltering, non-air-conditioned gym with all of us wearing robes) on why WE all needed to give more money to the Catholic Church.  Even the Brothers were not pleased.

/never got over that, obviously


I don't think it was the jewelry that weighed him down....

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-17 02:43:18 PM
I thought this was going to be a list of terrible stripper names.
 
2013-06-17 03:39:43 PM

Rapmaster2000: I didn't know they couldn't drink.  I never knew Buddhism could be so lame.


Makes sense for monks. If you're seeking enlightenment, why would you use something that impairs your thinking?
 
2013-06-17 03:43:25 PM
www.mobygames.com


Dangeresque.
 
2013-06-17 03:43:28 PM
He said one way to prevent the monks from misbehaving was for followers not to spoil them with valuable objects or vices. "In many cases, it was the followers who gave the monks the luxury. Some bought them sports cars. This is by no means necessary."


I dimly recall stories of various ministers and priests who received expensive gifts and donations who then liquidated them and used the proceeds for charity.

Naturally, any Priest doing this would not even be considered for Pope.

I'm reminded of many a TV preacher from the last 40 years being worth millions, building huge cathedrals, being ferried around in luxury cars and private jets and living in expensive mansions -- which they did not own.

Their church did.

I think about Billy Graham, who owns a home in my town, in the richest section, worth several million, constantly guarded by security. It's one of several. It's also surrounded by a high chain link fence.

I discovered it because the fence cuts off an old road which goes to an ancient ferry dock on the Lagoon where I used to like to fish. I hadn't been there in years and when I decided to drop by, found the fence, the house and not only the road, but the entire old dock area sealed off. Research told me who owned the property.

Right next to it is John's Island. (Look up John's Island, Vero Beach, Florida because you'll never be able to afford to live there.)

I think I'd trust that minister or priest more who gives away most donations instead of spending them on themselves.

Unfortunately, every religion can be corrupted.
 
2013-06-17 04:00:39 PM
i was never really a fan of the grant hart stuff, but that is one of my favorite husker du songs.
 
2013-06-17 04:54:09 PM
Jesus : Christians :: Buddha : ______

Fill in the blank.
 
2013-06-17 06:55:59 PM
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CoolHandLucas: [twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 500x214]
You paying attention? I'm talking... G5, Pecker! That's how you can roll. No more frequent flyer biatch miles for my boy!


Regardless of how people estimate Tom Cruise that role he farking knocked out of the park. He  owned it.
 
2013-06-17 07:48:20 PM

Harry Freakstorm: But have these men have taken a supreme vow of celibacy, like their fathers, and their fathers before them?


Chuckle bust a gut chuckle bust a gut. A+
 
2013-06-17 11:12:22 PM
Ooh, a crackdown.  Next thing you know, they'll make the Buddhist monks go through the same security checkpoint at the Bangkok airport as all us unwashed heathens, instead of having signs directing them to a special one.
 
2013-06-17 11:51:34 PM
Corruption? In Thailand? Well, I'm farking shocked.

This is my shocked face. :-/
 
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