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2013-06-17 08:52:43 AM
That was surprisingly lucid and clear.

The East German judge gives her a perfect 10.0
 
2013-06-17 08:54:46 AM
"I would rather someone track my telephone messages and feel safe wherever I go  than feel like they're um encroaching on my privacy"

Cognitive Dissonance In Action.
 
2013-06-17 08:54:50 AM
While I don't agree with her, she at least made some sense.  Also, Wendy Malick.
 
2013-06-17 08:55:03 AM
compared to the others on stage with her that was a Rhodes Scholarship worthy answer
 
2013-06-17 08:58:23 AM
Time to start looking at those MLS sheets from Palo Alto again.
 
2013-06-17 09:07:46 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: That was surprisingly lucid and clear.

The East German judge gives her a perfect 10.0


I was pleasantly surprised.

narkor: "I would rather someone track my telephone messages and feel safe wherever I go  than feel like they're um encroaching on my privacy"

Cognitive Dissonance In Action.


Still way better than:

www.tashadoestulsa.com
/farkin' US Americans and maps and such as...
 
2013-06-17 09:09:35 AM
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.
 
2013-06-17 09:15:22 AM

bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.


i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.
 
2013-06-17 09:16:50 AM
That wasn't that bad. She mangled it but was live on stage, I'll cut her some slack. As a bonus she kept it short. I got what she was trying to say, though I don't agree with her. Nowhere near as bad as Miss U.S. Americans.
 
2013-06-17 09:18:59 AM
Actually I found her answer to be quite motivating.

Of the 3 billion hours of phone calls the NSA has to listen to every minute, how many of them are discussions from people such as Miss Alabama and her friends.
 
2013-06-17 09:19:01 AM

bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.


Protip, most answers given by contestants are not controversial and are meant to appease the judges and increase their chances of winning no matter how they, the contestants, personally feel about the subject.
 
2013-06-17 09:19:33 AM

Ebenator: While I don't agree with her, she at least made some sense.  Also, Wendy Malick.


At least she can string together words to form a coherent sentence, but I don't feel any safer by the surveillance state we're moving towards.  In fact, I feel less safe.

But this is somewhat of a political question and I don't understand why it's relevant to a beauty contest.  What next?  Are they going to ask "What political party are you registered as and why?"

Its' also disturbing that the audience cheered her answer, but a poll (I think Pew, but not 100% sure) I saw yesterday said 56% of people approved of the NSA's actions and only 41% disapproved.
 
2013-06-17 09:19:37 AM

mr_a: Actually I found her answer to be quite motivating.

Of the 3 billion hours of phone calls the NSA has to listen to every minute, how many of them are discussions from people such as Miss Alabama and her friends.


Sure, when I do it, I'm a stalker...
 
2013-06-17 09:23:18 AM

mr_a: Actually I found her answer to be quite motivating.

Of the 3 billion hours of phone calls the NSA has to listen to every minute, how many of them are discussions from people such as Miss Alabama and her friends.


Depends. How may Manchurian Candidate sleeper cells are there in the in the pageant circuit.
 
2013-06-17 09:36:14 AM

bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.


Something about any society that would give up reason and nuance for platitudes
 
2013-06-17 09:38:47 AM
I like duck-billed platitudes. They're silly-looking.
 
2013-06-17 09:41:40 AM

narkor: "I would rather someone track my telephone messages and feel safe wherever I go  than feel like they're um encroaching on my privacy"

Cognitive Dissonance In Action.


I think what she was driving at is "ignorance is bliss".
 
2013-06-17 09:47:27 AM

sweetmelissa31: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

Something about any society that would give up reason and nuance for platitudes


Founding father said it. Can't be wrong. That's in the constitution.
 
2013-06-17 09:49:15 AM
As has probably been said, I disagree with her, but she sounds like a supergenius compared to most of the people who talk at those.
 
2013-06-17 10:00:12 AM
I don't pay you to be smart, sweetheart.  In fact, I don't pay you at all.  How 'bout a handy?
 
2013-06-17 10:04:12 AM
Is it wrong? That I constantly paused? As I read this? And every pause ended like a question? Like, she was, like talking? And everything was, like, a question? Though there were, like, no question marks?
 
2013-06-17 10:06:27 AM
Gets offered a job at Fox News in 3...2....1.....
 
2013-06-17 10:26:16 AM
That was actually a pretty solid answer for a beauty pageant contestant.

Consider that most of this young woman's waking hours are spent looking good (working out, eating right), that she had a somewhat cogent response is pretty good.
 
2013-06-17 10:48:05 AM
So, is there a Constitutionally guaranteed right to privacy or not?
 
2013-06-17 10:57:57 AM

The Muthaship: So, is there a Constitutionally guaranteed right to privacy or not?


Not any more.
 
2013-06-17 10:59:05 AM
hasn't been for longer than we know.
 
2013-06-17 11:01:36 AM

Krymson Tyde: The Muthaship: So, is there a Constitutionally guaranteed right to privacy or not?

Not any more.


Bad news for Roe v. Wade.
 
2013-06-17 11:06:33 AM
If you want to see something so face palmingly stupid, watch Miss Utah's response to the income gap between men and women...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TlgqWe uhJj4

Good looking but as stupid as a sack of diapers.

guyism.com
 
2013-06-17 11:29:22 AM

zappaisfrank: If you want to see something so face palmingly stupid, watch Miss Utah's response to the income gap between men and women...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TlgqWe uhJj4

Good looking but as stupid as a sack of diapers.

[guyism.com image 640x353]


Hm, where have I seen this before....
 
2013-06-17 11:31:29 AM

zappaisfrank: Good looking but as stupid as a sack of diapers.


Hey, we're not interested because we want to listen to them.
They are asking a bunch of vapid 20 something beauty queens for their opinion, what do they expect?
 
2013-06-17 11:43:26 AM
Shut up and get naked!

...oh wait...
 
2013-06-17 11:50:13 AM

bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.


If you're going to bring out overused quotes at least get them right. "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.  " is the quote and the debate is what are "essential" liberties and how you define temporary safety.
 
2013-06-17 11:50:26 AM

rjakobi: Shut up and get naked!

...oh wait...


Stupidly, they're not allowed to do that. They're totally objectified and sexualized, but the second they actually just go with it, take off their clothes for Playboy or whatever, they're ostracized and slut shamed. And yet we wonder why women are crazy.
 
2013-06-17 11:59:20 AM
Good looking AND permissive?


Was there a downside to this?
 
2013-06-17 12:09:28 PM

FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.


www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-06-17 12:15:51 PM
Is that a Jonas brother standing there nodding his head in agreement? He'd love anyone to listen to him again, I'm sure.
 
2013-06-17 01:07:24 PM

FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.


Why is it BS?

There is not a single thing (NSA, TSA, or any other SA) that has been done since 9/11 that makes me feel any safer.  The words security theater come to mind.  The fact that I have nothing to hide is immaterial.  We, as a country, have become the parody of how communists treat their citizens in bad 80's films.
 
2013-06-17 01:41:11 PM

mjbok: FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.

Why is it BS?

There is not a single thing (NSA, TSA, or any other SA) that has been done since 9/11 that makes me feel any safer.  The words security theater come to mind.  The fact that I have nothing to hide is immaterial.  We, as a country, have become the parody of how communists treat their citizens in bad 80's films.


Yes, but we have flat screen TVs, on which we can watch Donald Trump make an ass of himself, while we eat stuffed crust pizza. This makes everything ok.
 
2013-06-17 01:51:18 PM

FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.


Of course it is.  It still doesn't mean that the government can go 1984 on us.  Personally, my favorite quote about freedom comes from a Terry Pratchett novel (who would have thought), and it says "No sane mortal is truly free, because true freedom is so terrible that only the mad or the divine can face it with open eyes."
 
2013-06-17 02:08:44 PM

mjbok: FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.

Why is it BS?

There is not a single thing (NSA, TSA, or any other SA) that has been done since 9/11 that makes me feel any safer.  The words security theater come to mind.  The fact that I have nothing to hide is immaterial.  We, as a country, have become the parody of how communists treat their citizens in bad 80's films.


Wow not a single thing? Not even the improved controls on terrorist financing? Increased interview rates for visas  to study, work or live in the United States? Not increased hiring of people with middle eastern expertise or Arabic language skills? Not the Red Team Analysis of high probability and high profile targets. Adding shatter proof glass to US embassies and government buildings? Increased training of bomb detecting dogs? Nothing? You have a much higher safety threshold than people who live/work overseas since I've noticed a lot of common sense changes to how things are done along with all the bullshiat.
 
2013-06-17 02:32:37 PM

Carth: mjbok: FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.

Why is it BS?

There is not a single thing (NSA, TSA, or any other SA) that has been done since 9/11 that makes me feel any safer.  The words security theater come to mind.  The fact that I have nothing to hide is immaterial.  We, as a country, have become the parody of how communists treat their citizens in bad 80's films.

Wow not a single thing? Not even the improved controls on terrorist financing? Increased interview rates for visas  to study, work or live in the United States? Not increased hiring of people with middle eastern expertise or Arabic language skills? Not the Red Team Analysis of high probability and high profile targets. Adding shatter proof glass to US embassies and government buildings? Increased training of bomb detecting dogs? Nothing? You have a much higher safety threshold than people who live/work overseas since I've noticed a lot of common sense changes to how things are done along with all the bullshiat.


Sounds like a big waste of time to me. You're more likely to be killed by someone who's texting while driving than you are by a terrorist attack. Hell, it's more likely that you'll die by autoerotic asphyxiation than by terrorism. The whole ooga booga big scary terrorists are coming to get you thing is just boring. You really do have to be an idiot to fear terrorism. Oh, and you'll also more likely die from heat stroke than by a terrorist attack, better crank up the AC!
 
2013-06-17 02:40:44 PM

LectertheChef: Carth: mjbok: FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.

Why is it BS?

There is not a single thing (NSA, TSA, or any other SA) that has been done since 9/11 that makes me feel any safer.  The words security theater come to mind.  The fact that I have nothing to hide is immaterial.  We, as a country, have become the parody of how communists treat their citizens in bad 80's films.

Wow not a single thing? Not even the improved controls on terrorist financing? Increased interview rates for visas  to study, work or live in the United States? Not increased hiring of people with middle eastern expertise or Arabic language skills? Not the Red Team Analysis of high probability and high profile targets. Adding shatter proof glass to US embassies and government buildings? Increased training of bomb detecting dogs? Nothing? You have a much higher safety threshold than people who live/work overseas since I've noticed a lot of common sense changes to how things are done along with all the bullshiat.

Sounds like a big waste of time to me. You're more likely to be killed by someone who's texting while driving than you are by a terrorist attack. Hell, it's more likely that you'll die by autoerotic asphyxiation than by terrorism. The whole ooga booga big scary terrorists are coming to get you thing is just boring. You really do have to be an idiot to fear terrorism. Oh, and you'll also more likely die from heat stroke than by a terrorist attack, better crank up the AC!


We had 3 terrorist attacks against US diplomatic facilities when i was in Pakistan another when I was in both Turkey and Yemen. The average American doesn't have much to worry about terrorism but the money we spend to secure our diplomatic facilities and personal overseas has largely been well spent and done a good job at reducing causalities. You really have to be an idiot to think spending money to protect US citizens overseas is a waste.
 
2013-06-17 03:42:44 PM

FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.


You rang?
 
2013-06-17 03:46:32 PM
I'm surprised how many of you farkers appear to have not noticed that her statement made zero sense. Also, they question didn't make any sense either; so I don't really blame her.
 
2013-06-17 03:47:11 PM
"they question," LOL. I've been hanging around these bimbos too much already.
 
2013-06-17 03:47:39 PM
Well, I understood what she meant, at least, which puts her above what I was expecting.  She almost had it until she tripped up at the end.
 
2013-06-17 03:48:13 PM

Carth: LectertheChef: Carth: mjbok: FlashHarry: bborchar: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither an lose both" was the right answer.

i see that quote bandied about a lot. it's bullshiat, of course, but people do love to pull it out.

Why is it BS?

There is not a single thing (NSA, TSA, or any other SA) that has been done since 9/11 that makes me feel any safer.  The words security theater come to mind.  The fact that I have nothing to hide is immaterial.  We, as a country, have become the parody of how communists treat their citizens in bad 80's films.

Wow not a single thing? Not even the improved controls on terrorist financing? Increased interview rates for visas  to study, work or live in the United States? Not increased hiring of people with middle eastern expertise or Arabic language skills? Not the Red Team Analysis of high probability and high profile targets. Adding shatter proof glass to US embassies and government buildings? Increased training of bomb detecting dogs? Nothing? You have a much higher safety threshold than people who live/work overseas since I've noticed a lot of common sense changes to how things are done along with all the bullshiat.

Sounds like a big waste of time to me. You're more likely to be killed by someone who's texting while driving than you are by a terrorist attack. Hell, it's more likely that you'll die by autoerotic asphyxiation than by terrorism. The whole ooga booga big scary terrorists are coming to get you thing is just boring. You really do have to be an idiot to fear terrorism. Oh, and you'll also more likely die from heat stroke than by a terrorist attack, better crank up the AC!

We had 3 terrorist attacks against US diplomatic facilities when i was in Pakistan another when I was in both Turkey and Yemen. The average American doesn't have much to worry about terrorism but the money we spend to secure our diplomatic facilities and personal overseas has largely been we ...


While I agree that spending money on keeping our citizens safe is a good idea, I probably don't agree with how much money and how much freedom the government seems to think is necessary.  At what point is there a diminishing return on the amount of money, and liberties that the government is taking?
 
2013-06-17 03:50:03 PM
Oh, and the hot bimbos probably should actually be educated, but since they're hot I'll just watch the swimsuit competition with the sound turned off.
 
2013-06-17 03:52:39 PM

Smackledorfer: Well, I understood what she meant, at least, which puts her above what I was expecting.  She almost had it until she tripped up at the end.


Yes, public speaking can be a mf'er. It's really easy to lose your train of thought, panic and just try to wrap it up ASAP. It often happens as it did here, where you start off strong/confident, then once everyone quiets down and starts listening it's like walking on a tightrope and looking down. I don't know how true it is, but there's an oft-quoted statistic about people being more afraid of public speaking than death.
 
2013-06-17 04:08:02 PM

Carth: Wow not a single thing? Not even the improved controls on terrorist financing? Increased interview rates for visas to study, work or live in the United States? Not increased hiring of people with middle eastern expertise or Arabic language skills? Not the Red Team Analysis of high probability and high profile targets. Adding shatter proof glass to US embassies and government buildings? Increased training of bomb detecting dogs? Nothing? You have a much higher safety threshold than people who live/work overseas since I've noticed a lot of common sense changes to how things are done along with all the bullshiat.


Perhaps my initial statement was a bit of hyperbole, but not one of those things you mentioned makes me safer.  However, the TSA is a perfect example of not making anyone safer.  The one thing that should have come out of 9/11 regarding travel safety is a locking cockpit door.  Everything else does nothing except inconvenience everyone.  There never would be an identical 9/11 because people on the planes would never let it happen again.  It was something that could have been prevented by banning box cutters, but shampoo served no role in those attacks.

I have made a grand total of one call from Europe to the US, and none from the US to another country.  Yet, the government can (and most likely does) have my Verizon records.  That makes anyone safer, how?  If there was any semblance of reasonable cause it would be better (but probably to me still not acceptable).
 
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