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(Washington Post)   The Right is disappointed that the Left is not disappointed about NSA snooping   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 230
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2013-06-17 08:35:40 AM  
We're not?
 
2013-06-17 08:36:58 AM  
Well, I am.
 
2013-06-17 08:41:02 AM  
Everyone should be disappointed, and quite frankly, scared and angry.  And I say that as a person who used to be in signals intelligence (ie., it was my job to monitor communications).
 
2013-06-17 08:44:17 AM  
Well, I am disappointed in all of you, so, there is that.
 
2013-06-17 08:50:57 AM  
The Right is disappointed that the Left is not disappointed surprised about NSA snooping

fxd
 
2013-06-17 08:54:55 AM  
The left is very distressed about it and has been for a long time, the center-right Democratic establishment not so much.
 
2013-06-17 08:55:33 AM  
If the NSA was doing what the right claims, I'd be in jail right now.
 
2013-06-17 08:59:04 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Well, I am.


And I'm also disappointed in political commentators who didn't notice (or are just ignoring) the differences in wording on the Pew Research poll questions.
 
2013-06-17 09:00:29 AM  

PreMortem: If the NSA was doing what the right claims, I'd be in jail right now.


Hmmm. Interest piqued. Care to elaborate?
 
2013-06-17 09:03:46 AM  

PreMortem: If the NSA was doing what the right claims, I'd be in jail right now.


you're small potatoes.  they are looking for the big cheese!

/mmmmmmm.....cheesey potatoes.
 
2013-06-17 09:08:35 AM  

PreMortem: If the NSA was doing what the right claims, I'd be in jail right now.


No, you wouldn't.

Communication between the NSA and agencies like the FBI and local law enforcement thin, even at the best of times.

Also, just because they collect that data on you, and pass it to some law enforcement agency, that doesn't mean that the agency in question can then arrest you:  For criminal prosecution, you still have Fourth Amendment rights.  Any information derived from actual intercepts of your communications without a standard wiretap warrant would likely be inadmissible in court.

Having said that, the real danger isn't actual wiretapping, which isn't what they are doing.  It's the collection of the metadata from your phone:  Who you called, when you called, for how long, and from where.  You can build up a bunch of relationship data from that which doesn't consist of any actual eavesdropping of a conversation.  The analytical tools to do that sort of thing have been used in Syria to help suppress the rebellion there, for example.

In fact, the scary thing is you don't even have to call someone, or answer your cell phone, for them to use it to build up an accurate profile on you:  Every cell phone 'pings' the local cell towers regularly, and the information on the location of the phone gets stored by the cell carriers.  That can allow anyone who cares to build up a profile of where you go and when you go there.

And that data doesn't require a warrant for the police to get, btw.
 
2013-06-17 09:11:02 AM  
When it's something the right has done (Bush) and the left is doing it, what's the point of being outraged by it. It's pretty clear political leaders don't care if their constitutions protest, especially if it doesn't affect their reelecting prospects.

//Grab your gun and run out in the street. If you are the only one, go back inside the revolution hasn't started yet.
 
2013-06-17 09:21:21 AM  
Dana Milbank sounds like a real asshole.
 
2013-06-17 09:36:51 AM  
Fact is they don't need or want to listen in on calls. The NSA gets enough information, in many cases even better information by looking at meta-data.
Think about it this way: Your wife knows enough to crucify you by knowing that you call your girl-friend every Saturday morning when you claim to be on the golf course. Also, geo-tracking shows in which hotel you meet up with her.
 
2013-06-17 09:40:24 AM  

Therion: The Right is disappointed that the Left is not disappointed surprised about NSA snooping

fxd


This. It's been going on for decades. And WTF kind of safety valve is a secret court?
 
2013-06-17 09:42:10 AM  
i.imgur.com

No, you don't get to biatch now. You bought and paid for it over a decade ago when the rest of us saw this coming and told you this was going to happen. Now reap what you sow.
 
2013-06-17 09:45:10 AM  
I was pretty upset with this back in the mid 2000s.  Still am.  I'm just not shocked.
 
2013-06-17 09:57:14 AM  
I wasn't happy about the implications for it either.

Also, I retain the right to biatch under any and all circumstances, even illogical and unreasonable ones.

/It's my feminine side.
 
2013-06-17 10:01:14 AM  
As a libertarian, I always hope that the Democratic party will be the party that stands for civil liberties...unfortunately, they're little better than the GOP (who are abysmal on civil liberties).  I guess we're all just going to eat a shiat sandwich.
 
2013-06-17 10:05:40 AM  
The only thing the right is upset about is that the left is not trying to pin all of it on Obama.
 
2013-06-17 10:18:18 AM  

Therion: The Right is disappointed that the Left is not disappointed surprised about NSA snooping

fxd


On the plus side when I explain to people how all of our calls are now cached in a server for unknown number of months and may be referenced later by other parties I don't get people looking at me like I'm crazy. Granted, they may not have any clue what I'm talking about but now it doesn't sound crazy.
 
2013-06-17 10:20:59 AM  
I've said this before:
When you dance with the tiger's bed you've sown, you reap the devil's tail.
 
2013-06-17 10:21:32 AM  
I am disappointed, and pretty angry about it.  But the sad fact is, the Republicans are still worse.
 
2013-06-17 10:22:02 AM  
I say anyone who did not think this level of spying was not going to happen eventually has not been paying attention.

Everybody acts all surprised and shiat but these powers were given to the president before the ashes in New York City even cooled.

Y'all cheered, then.  Except for me.
 
2013-06-17 10:22:02 AM  
The Democrats are not a leftist party.  The end.
 
2013-06-17 10:22:08 AM  

slayer199: As a libertarian, I always hope that the Democratic party will be the party that stands for civil liberties...unfortunately, they're little better than the GOP (who are abysmal on civil liberties).  I guess we're all just going to eat a shiat sandwich.


So vote republican?
 
2013-06-17 10:22:59 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Well, I am.


Maybe, but the straw version of you isn't.
 
2013-06-17 10:23:08 AM  
I think the left is very disappointed.


I look forward to the Repubs submitting a bill to revoke the PATRIOT Act.
 
2013-06-17 10:24:14 AM  
The Right is disappointed the Left is not buying the shiat out of these Microsoft Zune players.
 
2013-06-17 10:27:02 AM  
When you assume something has been happening for a couple of decades it's hard to be disappointed or surprised when those assumptions are confirmed.
 
2013-06-17 10:27:17 AM  
I didn't expect this from the Obama administration.
 
2013-06-17 10:29:17 AM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 600x400]

No, you don't get to biatch now. You bought and paid for it over a decade ago when the rest of us saw this coming and told you this was going to happen. Now reap what you sow.


Perhaps schadenfreude isn't the appropriate response here.  If the retards who supported the PATRIOT Act are now realizing how galactically stupid that was, working together might help.  A little reconciliation might go a long way in this case.
 
2013-06-17 10:29:35 AM  

slayer199: As a libertarian, I always hope that the Democratic party will be the party that stands for civil liberties...unfortunately, they're little better than the GOP (who are abysmal on civil liberties).  I guess we're all just going to eat a shiat sandwich.


TORK EAT MAMMOTH POOP
 
2013-06-17 10:30:03 AM  

Jake Havechek: I say anyone who did not think this level of spying was not going to happen eventually has not been paying attention.

Everybody acts all surprised and shiat but these powers were given to the president before the ashes in New York City even cooled.

Y'all cheered, then.  Except for me.


Seriously.  They just spent $2 billion an a data center in Utah.  WTF did people think that was for?
 
2013-06-17 10:31:43 AM  

Cletus C.: I didn't expect this from the powers given to a republican president by the pants-shiatting republican Congress would be used by the Obama administration.


FTFY
 
2013-06-17 10:32:09 AM  
If you've been angry about it for a decade, you're farther along in the recovery / grieving process.  Most of us are at spiteful acceptance already, the rest of you should catch up quickly.
 
2013-06-17 10:32:35 AM  

Cletus C.: I didn't expect this from the Obama administration.


And here we have the Right's solution:
Do nothing and blame Obama/Democrats.

Muta: I look forward to the Repubs submitting a bill to revoke the PATRIOT Act.


They're just waiting for 2016, because they know President Santorum will use it to keep Americans safe.
 
2013-06-17 10:33:34 AM  
Yet another mainstream news editorial designed to divide all the sheep and distract from the issue.
 
2013-06-17 10:33:42 AM  

God's Hubris: Cletus C.: I didn't expect this from the powers given to a republican president by the pants-shiatting republican Congress would be used by the Obama administration.

FTFY


Nope. I was promised and expected better. Obama's in his second term. Blaming Bush is tired.
 
2013-06-17 10:34:11 AM  
Studies show that people are more likely to change their religious affiliation than their party affiliation.  The Right (in general) didn't care that Bush was doing it while the Left was screaming bloody murder, and the Left (in general) doesn't care that Obama is doing it while the Right is screaming bloody murder.  Human behavior is what it is.
 
2013-06-17 10:34:24 AM  

AngryDragon: Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 600x400]

No, you don't get to biatch now. You bought and paid for it over a decade ago when the rest of us saw this coming and told you this was going to happen. Now reap what you sow.

Perhaps schadenfreude isn't the appropriate response here.  If the retards who supported the PATRIOT Act are now realizing how galactically stupid that was, working together might help.  A little reconciliation might go a long way in this case.


But is the right legitimately concerned about this or do they just want to make this the scandal-du-jour for Obama?
 
2013-06-17 10:34:43 AM  

AngryDragon: Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 600x400]

No, you don't get to biatch now. You bought and paid for it over a decade ago when the rest of us saw this coming and told you this was going to happen. Now reap what you sow.

Perhaps schadenfreude isn't the appropriate response here.  If the retards who supported the PATRIOT Act are now realizing how galactically stupid that was, working together might help.  A little reconciliation might go a long way in this case.



[ohwaityoureserious.jpg]  It's cute that you think the Republicans would be interested in working with the Democrats to make America a better place.
 
2013-06-17 10:35:57 AM  

Therion: The Right is disappointed that the Left is not disappointed surprised about NSA snooping

fxd


Case in point  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
 
2013-06-17 10:36:58 AM  
The Right is disappointed that the Left doesn't watch this awesome new television show called LOST.
 
2013-06-17 10:37:28 AM  

SilentStrider: We're not?


Relatively Obscure: Well, I am.


dittybopper: Everyone should be disappointed, and quite frankly, scared and angry.


Shadowknight: I was pretty upset with this back in the mid 2000s.  Still am.  I'm just not shocked.


hinten: Well, I am disappointed in all of you, so, there is that.


gadian: If you've been angry about it for a decade, you're farther along in the recovery / grieving process.  Most of us are at spiteful acceptance already, the rest of you should catch up quickly.


This, this, and all of that.
 
2013-06-17 10:38:02 AM  

Arkanaut: Relatively Obscure: Well, I am.

Maybe, but the straw version of you isn't.


Damn that guy.
 
2013-06-17 10:38:14 AM  

Mrtraveler01: But is the right legitimately concerned about this or do they just want to make this the scandal-du-jour for Obama?


Do you need look further than our resident slack jawed yokel?
It's more about pinning Obama to the wall and rehabilitating Bush than any legitimate concern for our privacy.
If they'd put half the effort of protecting the second amendment into protecting the fourth, they'd find a lot of common ground with the disappointed leftists and liberals that they're currently choosing to pretend don't exist.
 
2013-06-17 10:38:19 AM  

gadian: If you've been angry about it for a decade, you're farther along in the recovery / grieving process.  Most of us are at spiteful acceptance already, the rest of you should catch up quickly.


Whoo! I'm not alone.
 
2013-06-17 10:41:26 AM  
Threads like these have been good for me separating party-line democrats (who support spying) from actual liberals (who don't, of course).
 
2013-06-17 10:41:37 AM  

Cletus C.: God's Hubris: Cletus C.: I didn't expect this from the powers given to a republican president by the pants-shiatting republican Congress would be used by the Obama administration.

FTFY

Nope. I was promised and expected better. Obama's in his second term. Blaming Bush is tired.



If you read it correctly, you'd see I was blaming a republican-led House and Senate. I was pissed about the Patriot Act back when you and your ilk were calling liberals "traitors" for not supporting it.
 
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