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(Talking Points Memo)   Another poll, another double-digit lead for the democrat in Massachusetts in a senate race no body cares about   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 69
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2013-06-17 08:36:09 AM
I find it amusing they both believe minimum wage should be $10/hr, but Gomez thinks Markey wants it "because it's the american dream"
 
2013-06-17 09:00:48 AM
It's a catch-22 for any Massachusetts Republican - the moment their campaign shows signs of life, the national party takes an interest and then the rest of Massachusetts says 'oh HELL no' to that. Massachusetts may have a pants-on-head corrupt political structure, but that doesn't mean they want a layer of jesusbot wharr dressing on their shiat sandwich.
 
2013-06-17 09:09:18 AM
I'm just glad I'm not being inundated with their ads like I am for New Jersey.
 
2013-06-17 09:15:52 AM

Aarontology: I'm just glad I'm not being inundated with their ads like I am for New Jersey.


The "Stronger than the Storm" ads make we want to burn down the boardwalks just so they have to spend that ad money on rebuilding the shore again.
 
2013-06-17 09:21:38 AM
But it's neck-and-neck, right? At least, that's what I keep hearing from the media.
 
2013-06-17 09:22:41 AM

somedude210: I find it amusing they both believe minimum wage should be $10/hr, but Gomez thinks Markey wants it "because it's the american dream"


John Jackson - I say my opponents $10/hour minimum wage proposal goes too far.
Jack Johnson - And I say my opponents $10/hour minimum wage proposal doesn't go far enough.
 
2013-06-17 09:29:32 AM
I like the narrative suggested by that graph.

Voters:

"Huh? There's an election coming up? Who's running?"

"I've heard of Markey before. What did you say the Republican candidate's name was?"

"Hey, that Gabriel Gomez has an interesting biography. He might make an interesting senator."

"Oh, Jesus. Have you heard that Gomez guy talk? Vote Markey."
 
2013-06-17 09:30:48 AM

WTF Indeed: Aarontology: I'm just glad I'm not being inundated with their ads like I am for New Jersey.

The "Stronger than the Storm" ads make we want to burn down the boardwalks just so they have to spend that ad money on rebuilding the shore again.


LOL
 
2013-06-17 09:31:59 AM
For a Navy Seal, its always really striking how much Gomez comes off as a pussy.  He was being interviewed on WGBH a few months ago, and he just WOULD not state his position on things.  He'd make an affirmative but non-committal response that implied he supported X-crazy-republican-thing but just REFUSED to make a complete statement on it.  "Would you vote to confirm a Supreme Court justice who would repeal Roe V Wade?"  "Jim I've made my position on abortion totally clear, I think its wrong, I don't support it."  "So you would make that vote?"  "I'm being as clear on this as I can Jim."

He did that for like 4 separate issues, basically casting down exactly where he stands but refusing to actually occupy the space.  It was pretty gutless and sickening, even for a politician.
 
2013-06-17 09:39:07 AM

Super_pope: For a Navy Seal, its always really striking how much Gomez comes off as a pussy.  He was being interviewed on WGBH a few months ago, and he just WOULD not state his position on things.  He'd make an affirmative but non-committal response that implied he supported X-crazy-republican-thing but just REFUSED to make a complete statement on it.  "Would you vote to confirm a Supreme Court justice who would repeal Roe V Wade?"  "Jim I've made my position on abortion totally clear, I think its wrong, I don't support it."  "So you would make that vote?"  "I'm being as clear on this as I can Jim."

He did that for like 4 separate issues, basically casting down exactly where he stands but refusing to actually occupy the space.  It was pretty gutless and sickening, even for a politician.


That sounds about par for the course for a lot of people. Being clear makes it easy for others to attack your positions. Being intentionally confusing cuts that off at the knees.
 
2013-06-17 09:39:29 AM
According to Nate, Gomez has a 5% chance of a comeback.
 
2013-06-17 09:40:17 AM

sinanju: According to Nate, Gomez has a 5% chance of a comeback.


But what if you unskew the poll numbers?
 
2013-06-17 09:41:52 AM

Super_pope: He did that for like 4 separate issues, basically casting down exactly where he stands but refusing to actually occupy the space. It was pretty gutless and sickening, even for a politician.


but he's not a politician!

^_^

...suuuuuuuuuuuure you're not, Gomey
 
2013-06-17 09:41:58 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: sinanju: According to Nate, Gomez has a 5% chance of a comeback.

But what if you unskew the poll numbers?


Gomez will win in a landslide in that case.
 
2013-06-17 09:42:52 AM
If you don't care about politics, subby, you're welcome to go back to the geek tab and masturbate to pictures of the newest gadget. The rest of us are interested because the median Senate vote is one of the most powerful people in the human race, and anything that might shift that median is a BFD.
 
2013-06-17 09:45:39 AM
I for one will take the time to vote on Tuesday, regardless of the polls. We made our mistake once taking it for granted that the Democrat would win and ended up putting a naked truck driver temporarily in the Senate. Won't happen again.

I've only caught a few of Gomez's ads but they're along the lines of "Both Markey and I support Obamacare but I do it for the right reasons." Sorry, the repubs are obliged to put forward sacrificial lambs in Massachusetts just like the Democrats have to in Kansas or Texas, but they should be cutting their losses and saving money to send to the national committee in 2016, not, you know, actually trying to win. If Gomez ran a truly home-grown shoestring operation, people might have more sympathy for him. Sympathy votes would easily put him over the 40% line in the special election.

If Gomez wants to make a name for himself, he should move to New Hampshire, like Brown did. Massachusetts is simply not a suitable launching platform for an ambitious repub.
 
2013-06-17 09:46:10 AM

Zagloba: If you don't care about politics, subby, you're welcome to go back to the geek tab and masturbate to pictures of the newest gadget. The rest of us are interested because the median Senate vote is one of the most powerful people in the human race, and anything that might shift that median is a BFD.


dude, I do actually care about who wins the election. That said, there's a lot of apathetic voters in this state who are suffering election fatigue, and I can't say I blame them. The primary for this was anemic and the election will probably be about the same (<10% of voters come out). Also, with the exception of Chokeley, there has rarely been a race that a democrat has lost in this state, at least for a national position in the last 30 years
 
2013-06-17 09:48:16 AM

clambam: If Gomez ran a truly home-grown shoestring operation, people might have more sympathy for him. Sympathy votes would easily put him over the 40% line in the special election.


That's why I was hoping Winslow would pull out the win. He was the only one not getting money from the party (sullivan) or outside influences (Gomez)

also, he was as liberal a republican as you can find up here. If we had to send a republican to the senate, I'd rather it was him
 
2013-06-17 09:49:19 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: sinanju: According to Nate, Gomez has a 5% chance of a comeback.

But what if you unskew the poll numbers?


The people of Massachusetts cannot be trusted to make the right choice.  The voting will be outsourced to Alabama.
 
2013-06-17 09:55:14 AM

somedude210: I do actually care about who wins the election.


Assuming that you're the submitter, may I offer a few phrasing suggestions then:

"... in a senate race nobody except us politics tab dwellers cares about"

or how about bringing the snark:

"Latest polls show Ed Markey with a razor-thin lead of 23 votes over Gabriel Gomez. [whisper whisper] Correction: Latest polls show Ed Markey with a lead of 23 votes over Gabriel Gomez, which works out to a comfortable 11% margin of victory."

Otherwise you just sound hipster.
 
2013-06-17 10:05:51 AM

FarkedOver: Philip Francis Queeg: sinanju: According to Nate, Gomez has a 5% chance of a comeback.

But what if you unskew the poll numbers?

The people of Massachusetts cannot be trusted to make the right choice.  The voting will be outsourced to Alabama.


I don't think the people of Alabama are about to vote for a guy named Gomez.
 
2013-06-17 10:06:52 AM

Zagloba: Otherwise you just sound hipster.


with the exception of 10% of the voting population of MA, who honestly cares that a Democrat is probably going to win a senate seat here? I'm not being a hipster when a vast majority of the public, both in state and out, couldn't give a flying rat's ass that we have a senate election, let alone that the Democrat is probably going to win.

but no, please, continue on why I'm a hipster for saying that this election isn't cared about like the past two senate elections
 
2013-06-17 10:07:28 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: I don't think the people of Alabama are about to vote for a guy named Gomez.


how about the people of Texas then? New Mexico? I GOT IT! Arizona!
 
2013-06-17 10:12:45 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: sinanju: According to Nate, Gomez has a 5% chance of a comeback.

But what if you unskew the poll numbers?


I LOLed
 
2013-06-17 10:16:24 AM

clambam: I for one will take the time to vote on Tuesday, regardless of the polls. We made our mistake once taking it for granted that the Democrat would win and ended up putting a naked truck driver temporarily in the Senate. Won't happen again.

I've only caught a few of Gomez's ads but they're along the lines of "Both Markey and I support Obamacare but I do it for the right reasons." Sorry, the repubs are obliged to put forward sacrificial lambs in Massachusetts just like the Democrats have to in Kansas or Texas, but they should be cutting their losses and saving money to send to the national committee in 2016, not, you know, actually trying to win. If Gomez ran a truly home-grown shoestring operation, people might have more sympathy for him. Sympathy votes would easily put him over the 40% line in the special election.

If Gomez wants to make a name for himself, he should move to New Hampshire, like Brown did. Massachusetts is simply not a suitable launching platform for an ambitious repub.


This. That Coakley debacle was terrible. Don't leave it to chance people!
 
2013-06-17 10:29:19 AM

somedude210: Zagloba: Otherwise you just sound hipster.

with the exception of 10% of the voting population of MA, who honestly cares that a Democrat is probably going to win a senate seat here? I'm not being a hipster when a vast majority of the public, both in state and out, couldn't give a flying rat's ass that we have a senate election, let alone that the Democrat is probably going to win.

but no, please, continue on why I'm a hipster for saying that this election isn't cared about like the past two senate elections


We're getting our 7th senator in four years, and neither one of the candidates is in any way likable or interesting. I'm a politics nerd, I'm an election official, I have voter registration forms in my office, and *I* forgot this election was happening.

I'm betting my polling place will have a lower turn out than the senate primary last year when Brown and Warren ran unopposed campaigns. I'm bringing a book.
 
2013-06-17 10:32:28 AM
Commutes home are bad enough, but last Friday's was miserable.  I can count the seconds I was able to get to even 4th gear on one hand.  While approaching an always jammed interchange (I-95 (128 to my fellow Massholes) and Masspike), a plane was circling overhead pulling an ad.

Gomez is Romney Lite

I don't really need to be distracted by a political ad while trying to dodge potholes, construction and the other Massholes, who seem to love slamming on their brakes to see how fast their car can get from 40 to 0.

Shiat like that makes me want to stay home on election day.  The fact that it's my 30th anniversary may come into play as well.
 
2013-06-17 10:34:33 AM

what_now: I'm betting my polling place will have a lower turn out than the senate primary last year when Brown and Warren ran unopposed campaigns. I'm bringing a book.


how about the primary this year where we had, what 7% of turnout? Hell, that even beat the Dark Prince's prediction on how bad it was going to be

what_now: neither one of the candidates is in any way likable or interesting.


What? You're telling me that "been in Congress 37 years, barely steps foot in the state anymore and am very much a liberal asshole" and "Navy seal, navy seal, tax cuts, navy seal. Btw, did I tell you that I'm a NAVY FARKING SEAL?" don't make your loins quiver in anticipation? The hell you say

/still voting for Markey
//I can stomach him at least
 
2013-06-17 10:35:35 AM

somedude210: am very much a liberal asshole"


Who voted yes on the Iraq war and the Patriot act.

Yeah, i'm voting for David Ortiz.
 
2013-06-17 10:36:45 AM

what_now: Who voted yes on the Iraq war and the Patriot act.

Yeah, i'm voting for David Ortiz.


hahaha, well hey, they can't all be perfect. Still rather have him than Gomey. Not really looking forward to either but hey, this is what the powers that be have given us
 
2013-06-17 10:46:11 AM

somedude210: what_now: Who voted yes on the Iraq war and the Patriot act.

Yeah, i'm voting for David Ortiz.

hahaha, well hey, they can't all be perfect. Still rather have him than Gomey. Not really looking forward to either but hey, this is what the powers that be have given us


Yeah, I wish Capuano had thrown his hat in the ring. He at least, is entertaining.
 
2013-06-17 10:47:51 AM

what_now: Yeah, I wish Capuano had thrown his hat in the ring. He at least, is entertaining.


nah, he's gonna try for the governorship

I kinda wish Weld had tossed his hat into the ring. He probably would've won based on nostalgia
 
2013-06-17 10:49:16 AM

Aarontology: I'm just glad I'm not being inundated with their ads like I am for New Jersey.


omfg they're getting retarded. count your blessings.

somedude210: /still voting for Markey
//I can stomach him at least


i'm voting against gomez this cycle. something about swiftboating the president just don't sit right with me.

as for markey, he seems like a nice if boring candidate. what we really need is another warren. i can't can't go a week without a newsbite about her biatchin out some asshole, and so far i haven't had to :P
 
2013-06-17 10:53:07 AM

winterbraid: as for markey, he seems like a nice if boring candidate. what we really need is another warren. i can't can't go a week without a newsbite about her biatchin out some asshole, and so far i haven't had to :P


True. that never gets old. I'd gladly work on another campaign like that again if we had another candidate who actually wanted to fix shiat

hell, even my buddy who was a field op for Warren didn't want to get involved with Markey because he just wasn't....worth it, really. Didn't create that same spark.
 
2013-06-17 10:55:00 AM
winterbraid: what we really need is another warren. i can't can't go a week without a newsbite about her biatchin out some asshole, and so far i haven't had to :P
 
2013-06-17 11:00:16 AM

somedude210: with the exception of 10% of the voting population of MA, who honestly cares that a Democrat is probably going to win a senate seat here?


Didn't you just say you did? In any case, once again, the politics tab junkies do care, and that's your audience. I'm not disputing that the voters mostly don't care. You say "nobody cares about this race". I'm responding with
img87.imageshack.us
"What do you mean 'we', white man?"
 
2013-06-17 11:02:05 AM
i know i say this in every MA thread, but it's still impressive to me how many farkers are from MA.
 
2013-06-17 11:02:38 AM

winterbraid: i know i say this in every MA thread, but it's still impressive to me how many farkers are from MA.


We're pretty much the balls.
 
2013-06-17 11:04:22 AM

winterbraid: i know i say this in every MA thread, but it's still impressive to me how many farkers are from MA.


ONEOFUSONEOFUSONEOFUS
 
2013-06-17 11:05:42 AM

winterbraid: i know i say this in every MA thread, but it's still impressive to me how many farkers are from MA.


It's not that surprising since Fark is full of dirty, dirty liberals.
 
2013-06-17 11:06:13 AM

winterbraid: i know i say this in every MA thread, but it's still impressive to me how many farkers are from MA.


We're wicked smart, sarcastic, and have to be inside 10 months out of the year. It's a natural place for us.
 
2013-06-17 11:06:35 AM

WTF Indeed: winterbraid: i know i say this in every MA thread, but it's still impressive to me how many farkers are from MA.

It's not that surprising since Fark is full of dirty, dirty liberals.


I'm actually a dirty communist.  I don't even live in Cambridge!
 
2013-06-17 11:19:09 AM

WTF Indeed: It's not that surprising since Fark is full of dirty, dirty liberals.


to be fair, I'm a liberal republican, or a dirty rotten liberal democratic socialist commie-nazi to anyone not living in state

/what? I live on the 495 belt

Zagloba: Didn't you just say you did?


oh look, I'm part of the 10% I was referring to

Zagloba: In any case, once again, the politics tab junkies do care,


okay, so that's one tiny facet of the entire site. Hell, most politics tab dwellers could care less that a democrat is going to win in MA because...well it's a democrat in the people's republic of Massachusetts and they're not from her so why the fark should they care? I don't make headlines to appeal to the handful of us on here that may care a tiny bit more than the rest, I make headlines because the reality is that no one gives a flying fark about any of this except a handful of farkers who...you know what, fark it. You don't like the headline, then write something better, oh holier-than-thou masshole

what_now: ONEOFUSONEOFUSONEOFUS


you and I still need to get a beer sometime

still want to help me win a campaign? ^_^
 
2013-06-17 11:25:44 AM

somedude210: hell, even my buddy who was a field op for Warren didn't want to get involved with Markey because he just wasn't....worth it, really. Didn't create that same spark.


One of the problems with modern politics.  Charisma and a winning smile and attitude are what everyone judges you on.  You have to be exciting!

Knowing anything about policy or governance?  Not so much.
 
2013-06-17 11:28:40 AM

somedude210: what_now: ONEOFUSONEOFUSONEOFUS

you and I still need to get a beer sometime

still want to help me win a campaign? ^_^


It would depend what you're campaigning for :)
 
2013-06-17 11:32:36 AM
whooa!  A democrat is leading in MA?
This is shocking.
Subby butt hurt that this is headline making news across the country, across the GLOBE? !
 
2013-06-17 11:32:43 AM

winterbraid: i know i say this in every MA thread, but it's still impressive to me how many farkers are from MA.


I think it is because fark attracts that special sort of snarky know it all. And we have plenty of that here!

/North Shore
 
2013-06-17 11:51:35 AM
I'm sorry, is this turning into a MA local farkers thread?

Who's planning the 2014 pub crawl/campaign commencement event?

/Let's face it, the only way a farker announces they are running for office is at a pub crawl
 
2013-06-17 11:58:43 AM

winterbraid: i know i say this in every MA thread, but it's still impressive to me how many farkers are from MA.


I'll tell you what's impressive... campaigning for months without actually saying anything.

/Merrimack Valley
 
2013-06-17 12:04:50 PM
Bottom line...  Gomez won't win because he's Spanish.   There is no way Mass. will ever vote for "one of those".

/Mass. want's rubber stamps, not leaders.

Boston Strong Obedient
 
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