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(Global Geopolitics)   Because Syria just can't be toppled quick enough, its Egyptian lover kicks it in the groin, bails on it   (glblgeopolitics.wordpress.com) divider line 33
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2013-06-17 09:00:33 AM
That should piss off Egypt's old girlfriend Russia with her big Aswan, dam.
 
2013-06-17 09:01:52 AM
This is turning into one giant Sunni/shiate regional war. Which should be fun to watch.
 
2013-06-17 09:12:46 AM

WTF Indeed: This is turning into one giant Sunni/shiate regional war. Which should be fun to watch.


Turning into?

Pretty much every conflict in the region that isn't Israel/Palestine has echoes of the Shia/Sunni split.
 
2013-06-17 09:14:32 AM
Cutting off your nose to spite your face is a common Egyptian tactic.

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2013-06-17 09:16:26 AM

MichiganFTL: Cutting off your nose to spite your face is a common Egyptian tactic.

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Wasn't that the French?
 
2013-06-17 09:16:43 AM

BitwiseShift: That should piss off Egypt's old girlfriend Russia with her big Aswan, dam.


LOL

Oh. Mah. God. Becky, it's like, some Nasser's girlfriend's Aswan!

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I like big Ba'ath and I cannot lie!  You other mullahs can't deny!
 
2013-06-17 09:18:17 AM
What an Egyptian Lover might look like.

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2013-06-17 09:22:25 AM

WTF Indeed: This is turning into one giant Sunni/shiate regional war. Which should be fun to watch.


Well, the two sides have been waiting 700 years to wipe the other out.
But with Egypt stepping in, maybe the US can stay out of it. I don't want us getting into another proxy war, or supplying weapons to the sunni and thus indirectly to  Al-qaeda. Neither have turned out well in the past.
 
2013-06-17 09:27:39 AM
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2013-06-17 09:27:40 AM

simplicimus: WTF Indeed: This is turning into one giant Sunni/shiate regional war. Which should be fun to watch.

Well, the two sides have been waiting 700 years to wipe the other out.
But with Egypt stepping in, maybe the US can stay out of it. I don't want us getting into another proxy war, or supplying weapons to the sunni and thus indirectly to  Al-qaeda. Neither have turned out well in the past.


Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.
 
2013-06-17 09:35:59 AM

Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.


I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.
 
2013-06-17 09:36:15 AM

Parthenogenetic: simplicimus: WTF Indeed: This is turning into one giant Sunni/shiate regional war. Which should be fun to watch.

Well, the two sides have been waiting 700 years to wipe the other out.
But with Egypt stepping in, maybe the US can stay out of it. I don't want us getting into another proxy war, or supplying weapons to the sunni and thus indirectly to  Al-qaeda. Neither have turned out well in the past.

Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.


I don't know about about a prelude, maybe a try to keep Iraq from falling into a full Shia/Sunni civil war.
 
2013-06-17 10:02:11 AM

Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.


That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.
 
2013-06-17 10:08:35 AM

verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.


Or forming a strong Shia political Union.
 
2013-06-17 10:10:32 AM

simplicimus: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

Or forming a strong Shia political Union.


Wouldn't a lot of Sunni die for that to occur?
 
2013-06-17 10:12:32 AM

verbaltoxin: simplicimus: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

Or forming a strong Shia political Union.

Wouldn't a lot of Sunni die for that to occur?


verbaltoxin: simplicimus: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

Or forming a strong Shia political Union.

Wouldn't a lot of Sunni die for that to occur?


Yep. It's already started in Syria.
 
2013-06-17 10:12:37 AM
Iran is sending troops to support Assad, and the US is sending it's own troops to assist the rebels.

www.eddieandlid.com
 
2013-06-17 10:15:49 AM

verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.


I don't know that Turkey's interested in being the regional hegemonic power. They do seem to relish the role of the Islamic nation that can play well with the West, playing both sides against each other.

And Saudi Arabia's been pretty quiet lately.  Maybe they're happy to let Egypt be the Sunni standard bearer to take action against the Shia states, while they supply funding and pull their oil levers to manipulate the USA.  There's a lot to dislike about fracking, but if it reduces our dependence on the oil sheikhs, or gets them off our back, that'd be fine with me.
 
2013-06-17 10:16:09 AM

simplicimus: verbaltoxin: simplicimus: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

Or forming a strong Shia political Union.

Wouldn't a lot of Sunni die for that to occur?

verbaltoxin: simplicimus: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

Or forming a strong Shia political Union.

Wouldn't a lot of Sunni die for that to occur?

Yep. It's already started in Syria.


Then I second what TV Vinnie just posted.
 
2013-06-17 10:17:24 AM

Parthenogenetic: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

I don't know that Turkey's interested in being the regional hegemonic power. They do seem to relish the role of the Islamic nation that can play well with the West, playing both sides against each other.

And Saudi Arabia's been pretty quiet lately.  Maybe they're happy to let Egypt be the Sunni standard bearer to take action against the Shia states, while they supply funding and pull their oil levers to manipulate the USA.  There's a lot to dislike about fracking, but if it reduces our dependence on the oil sheikhs, or gets them off our back, that'd be fine with me.


Fracking is a medium-term solution with tons of bad byproducts, and that's why I don't like it. I don't know about you, but I like water I can't set on fire.
 
2013-06-17 10:42:30 AM

simplicimus: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

Or forming a strong Shia political Union.


My mistake. Only Iran is predominantly Shi'a. Turkey and Egypt are Sunni.
 
2013-06-17 10:48:13 AM

simplicimus: simplicimus: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

Or forming a strong Shia political Union.

My mistake. Only Iran is predominantly Shi'a. Turkey and Egypt are Sunni.


Well, Turkey will tell you til you're blue in the face that their government is secular, it's their people who are Muslims. Hence the protests against Erdogan.
 
2013-06-17 10:54:32 AM
Well,my revised prediction is that Turkey and Egypt will issue strong words against Iran, and somehow Lebanon will get screwed again.
 
2013-06-17 10:56:18 AM

simplicimus: Well,my revised prediction is that Turkey and Egypt will issue strong words against Iran, and somehow Lebanon will get screwed again.


So a regular Tuesday, then.
 
2013-06-17 10:59:07 AM

verbaltoxin: simplicimus: Well,my revised prediction is that Turkey and Egypt will issue strong words against Iran, and somehow Lebanon will get screwed again.

So a regular Tuesday, then.


Pretty much.
 
2013-06-17 11:13:46 AM

verbaltoxin: Parthenogenetic: verbaltoxin: Mercutio74: Parthenogenetic: Tinfoil hat time: Maybe Morsi was covertly offered some incentive by the US to do this? This sounds like "regional coalition building" as a prelude to US intervention.

I don't think you need much of a hat for this one.  The newly minted version of Egypt wants to show that they're pretty much THE regional Islamic power in the middle east.  The US and the global economy wants some stability in oil producing regions.  Whenever goals align, you don't need much of a conspiracy to explain countries working towards the same outcome.

That whole region is really coming down to Turkey, Israel, Egypt and Iran duking it out for regional supremecy.

I don't know that Turkey's interested in being the regional hegemonic power. They do seem to relish the role of the Islamic nation that can play well with the West, playing both sides against each other.

And Saudi Arabia's been pretty quiet lately.  Maybe they're happy to let Egypt be the Sunni standard bearer to take action against the Shia states, while they supply funding and pull their oil levers to manipulate the USA.  There's a lot to dislike about fracking, but if it reduces our dependence on the oil sheikhs, or gets them off our back, that'd be fine with me.

Fracking is a medium-term solution with tons of bad byproducts, and that's why I don't like it. I don't know about you, but I like water I can't set on fire.


Yeah, there's a lot to dislike about fracking.

Well, how about methane hydrates as an energy source, instead?

Bonus: flammable ice!

theresilientearth.com

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/what-if-we-never -r un-out-of-oil/309294/
 
2013-06-17 12:58:15 PM
oh yeah, let's wait til after the civilians have been massacred to set up that no fly zone!

great job as usual, world.
 
2013-06-17 01:14:07 PM
Right now everyone with any sense should be in a contest to see who can wash their hands of Syria the fastests.

Assad: A-hole that has probably used chemical weapons against the rebels in limited amounts. And has roided up freaks on a kill squad killing everything that moves.

Rebels: Some have murdered civilians for sandering Islam and at least one has eaten a guys heart on camera. They seem like freedom loving sweethearts. Appear to have murdered 60 civilians because they didn't pray to the same god in the same way.

There isn't a lot to like and it won't liekly turn out well for the US regardless.
 
2013-06-17 01:35:14 PM

jaybeezey: Right now everyone with any sense should be in a contest to see who can wash their hands of Syria the fastests.

Assad: A-hole that has probably used chemical weapons against the rebels in limited amounts. And has roided up freaks on a kill squad killing everything that moves.

Rebels: Some have murdered civilians for sandering Islam and at least one has eaten a guys heart on camera. They seem like freedom loving sweethearts. Appear to have murdered 60 civilians because they didn't pray to the same god in the same way.

There isn't a lot to like and it won't liekly turn out well for the US regardless.


Yeah, I need a diagram of the Syrian problem. Started out as a sunni civil war, then Hizbollah (shia) got involved with the rebels, then Al-Qaeda (sunni) got involved and then Egypt (sunni) asked Hizbollah to leave. Sounds pretty straight forward to me.
 
2013-06-17 01:41:34 PM

simplicimus: jaybeezey: Right now everyone with any sense should be in a contest to see who can wash their hands of Syria the fastests.

Assad: A-hole that has probably used chemical weapons against the rebels in limited amounts. And has roided up freaks on a kill squad killing everything that moves.

Rebels: Some have murdered civilians for sandering Islam and at least one has eaten a guys heart on camera. They seem like freedom loving sweethearts. Appear to have murdered 60 civilians because they didn't pray to the same god in the same way.

There isn't a lot to like and it won't liekly turn out well for the US regardless.

Yeah, I need a diagram of the Syrian problem. Started out as a sunni civil war, then Hizbollah (shia) got involved with the rebels, then Al-Qaeda (sunni) got involved and then Egypt (sunni) asked Hizbollah to leave. Sounds pretty straight forward to me.


No, Hezbollah is backing Assad, and has been for a while, I think.
 
2013-06-17 01:56:19 PM

Felgraf: simplicimus: jaybeezey: Right now everyone with any sense should be in a contest to see who can wash their hands of Syria the fastests.

Assad: A-hole that has probably used chemical weapons against the rebels in limited amounts. And has roided up freaks on a kill squad killing everything that moves.

Rebels: Some have murdered civilians for sandering Islam and at least one has eaten a guys heart on camera. They seem like freedom loving sweethearts. Appear to have murdered 60 civilians because they didn't pray to the same god in the same way.

There isn't a lot to like and it won't liekly turn out well for the US regardless.

Yeah, I need a diagram of the Syrian problem. Started out as a sunni civil war, then Hizbollah (shia) got involved with the rebels, then Al-Qaeda (sunni) got involved and then Egypt (sunni) asked Hizbollah to leave. Sounds pretty straight forward to me.

No, Hezbollah is backing Assad, and has been for a while, I think.


You may be right. Alliances seem pretty flexible in the Middle east.
 
2013-06-17 03:24:20 PM
I think Obama's only got one option - how much will it take for Russia to dump Syria?  What's the lever?  Russia knows that there is some pressure on Obama to step up - and if they're providing Anti-Aircraft missiles to Syria, trying to establish a no-fly zone got a bit tougher. That would pit US -vs- Russia in a somewhat indirect, direct confrontation - and that's good for nothing.

Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan can exert pressure - but both Turkey and Jordan are being overwhelmed with refugees (again).  A proxy war is pretty likely, but we'll see.
 
2013-06-17 03:34:56 PM

Bill the unknowing: I think Obama's only got one option - how much will it take for Russia to dump Syria?  What's the lever?  Russia knows that there is some pressure on Obama to step up - and if they're providing Anti-Aircraft missiles to Syria, trying to establish a no-fly zone got a bit tougher. That would pit US -vs- Russia in a somewhat indirect, direct confrontation - and that's good for nothing  both military industrial complexes.

Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan can exert pressure - but both Turkey and Jordan are being overwhelmed with refugees (again).  A proxy war is pretty likely, but we'll see.


Someone always win in any war. That winner is the arms makers. Someone in the europe/middle east is making a killing on 7.62/5.45 ammo right now.
 
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