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2013-06-17 08:55:55 AM
Old news is old.
 
2013-06-17 08:56:43 AM
"On the barren Racetrack Player"

Daily Fail.
 
2013-06-17 09:09:53 AM
caffeine-fueled.com
 
2013-06-17 09:10:12 AM

taoistlumberjak: "On the barren Racetrack Player"

Daily Fail.


You saw that, two?
 
2013-06-17 09:14:29 AM

bbfreak: Old news is old.


No.  Old news is a 1 hour show on National Geographic of the Science Channel (or more likely the Food or SciFi Channel or something unrelated).  Where they dance around the answer by presenting 4 ridiculous  theories, a brief mention of the scientific answer (Ice and wind).  Then that gets topped off with a closer which ponders perhaps we will never know.  As if all explanations are equal, fair and balance.

/Also the show has footage of the ice forming and drifting with rocks, yet allow other speculators (like this article) comment that it's never been captured on video.  Again they still close the hour show with the idea that it's still an unexplained mystery.

//I am so proud of my 9 year old to grasp the absurdity of the programming.
 
2013-06-17 09:24:01 AM
I propose that the rocks propel themselves via flatulence (in keeping with my one-note fart shtick).
 
2013-06-17 09:24:15 AM
Pan-dimensional terrestrial mermaids.
 
2013-06-17 09:33:09 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com

I liked this movie. It was sufficiently stupid enough to be slightly creepy. And again. It's my accepted explanation of why the rocks are moving.

Cause THEY'RE ALIVE AND THEY'RE GOING TO EAT YOU AHHHHHHHHH
 
2013-06-17 09:36:44 AM
The theory of ice helping the movement of those particular stones was a topic in my junior year college Geomorphology course, and I took that class in the 70s.

/Since this topic is crap, here's one that's cool
/if you didn't catch it, here's last Friday's XKCD

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-06-17 09:39:40 AM

SVenus: The theory of ice helping the movement of those particular stones was a topic in my junior year college Geomorphology course, and I took that class in the 70s.

/Since this topic is crap, here's one that's cool
/if you didn't catch it, here's last Friday's XKCD

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x397]


I don't think there were buildings in those cities 21000 years ago. Although it might explain the condition of the roads here. We just found this thawed city 400 years ago and said "fark it, let's leave it like that."
 
2013-06-17 09:43:38 AM
Fine, I admit it. It's been me the whole time. It started out when I got good and drunk one night and decided that I needed to build a stone wall around my trailer. Me and my buddy ended up dragging some rocks back and forth across the desert and generally not getting much done. But then some tourist types came by the next day and asked me about them. My wife was standing nearby and rather than admitting I'd been out drinking with my friends all night I told them it was a mystery of nature. Now though the tourists keep showing up and I'm afraid if I stop moving these rocks every night my wife will find out.
 
2013-06-17 09:48:44 AM
magnets
 
2013-06-17 09:54:47 AM

gfid: magnets


Yeah, but how do THEY work?

You can't answer one mystery with another!
 
2013-06-17 10:02:28 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: I don't think there were buildings in those cities 21000 years ago. Although it might explain the condition of the roads here. We just found this thawed city 400 years ago and said "fark it, let's leave it like that."


Okay, now you made develop an ear worm to the tune of "We Built This City"
We built this city, we built this city under ice and snow
Built this city, we built this city under ice and snow...
 
2013-06-17 10:10:34 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: SVenus: The theory of ice helping the movement of those particular stones was a topic in my junior year college Geomorphology course, and I took that class in the 70s.

/Since this topic is crap, here's one that's cool
/if you didn't catch it, here's last Friday's XKCD

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x397]

I don't think there were buildings in those cities 21000 years ago. Although it might explain the condition of the roads here. We just found this thawed city 400 years ago and said "fark it, let's leave it like that."


I just call them inverted speed bumps.
 
2013-06-17 10:17:07 AM
Hard freeze? Ice sheet formation? At 3700' elevation? Where it rains less than three inches per year?

I call BS

/just asking questions here
 
2013-06-17 10:28:22 AM
Why can't someone just try to actually film them?  We must know around when they move so why not use one of them fancy video camera things?

/I am confused
//Seems logical to me to attempt
 
2013-06-17 10:29:12 AM

TheGogmagog: bbfreak: Old news is old.

No.  Old news is a 1 hour show on National Geographic of the Science Channel (or more likely the Food or SciFi Channel or something unrelated).  Where they dance around the answer by presenting 4 ridiculous  theories, a brief mention of the scientific answer (Ice and wind).  Then that gets topped off with a closer which ponders perhaps we will never know.  As if all explanations are equal, fair and balance.

/Also the show has footage of the ice forming and drifting with rocks, yet allow other speculators (like this article) comment that it's never been captured on video.  Again they still close the hour show with the idea that it's still an unexplained mystery.

//I am so proud of my 9 year old to grasp the absurdity of the programming.


Yes.

Old news is old
 
2013-06-17 10:40:14 AM
It's not really science to come up with a hypothesis and declare it true.
 
2013-06-17 11:26:34 AM

Flab: TheGogmagog: bbfreak: Old news is old.

No.  Old news is a 1 hour show on National Geographic of the Science Channel (or more likely the Food or SciFi Channel or something unrelated).  Where they dance around the answer by presenting 4 ridiculous  theories, a brief mention of the scientific answer (Ice and wind).  Then that gets topped off with a closer which ponders perhaps we will never know.  As if all explanations are equal, fair and balance.

/Also the show has footage of the ice forming and drifting with rocks, yet allow other speculators (like this article) comment that it's never been captured on video.  Again they still close the hour show with the idea that it's still an unexplained mystery.

//I am so proud of my 9 year old to grasp the absurdity of the programming.

Yes.

Old news is old


Tripod much?

But seriously, is it really that hard to test out these theories Mythbusters style? Like, putting a rock on top of some moist sediment and putting it in a large freezer-warehouse with a high power fan?
 
2013-06-17 11:52:57 AM
They move because there's some lovely filth over there.
 
2013-06-17 11:56:32 AM
Them rocks was moved by a twenty mule team.

www.otrcat.com
 
2013-06-17 11:56:55 AM
Now that they know how they move, they need to figure out how it is they float.
 
2013-06-17 11:59:13 AM
So why couldn't they place a gps tracker on one of these rocks with a camera and monitor the movement and wind-speed?
 
2013-06-17 12:00:58 PM
I'm ok with never knowing this one.

I want there to be some mysteries left in my world
 
2013-06-17 12:10:24 PM
It's called a gradient. Dammit.
 
2013-06-17 12:14:57 PM
Coriolis effect.
 
2013-06-17 12:28:19 PM

HotnSweaty: Hard freeze? Ice sheet formation? At 3700' elevation? Where it rains less than three inches per year?

I call BS

/just asking questions here


Not any ice sheet formation and it's only 3100', but this past winter there was a hard freeze in the Calif high desert community of Landers

i44.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-17 12:43:51 PM

SomeoneDumb: HotnSweaty: Hard freeze? Ice sheet formation? At 3700' elevation? Where it rains less than three inches per year?

I call BS

/just asking questions here

Not any ice sheet formation and it's only 3100', but this past winter there was a hard freeze in the Calif high desert community of Landers

[i44.photobucket.com image 300x400]


Yep, I get it -- San Berdoo can get cold. However, for the rocks to move, the ice sheet/hard freeze thing would have to happen consistently all winter to get the stones moving. Avg temp up there in January is like 50F.
 
2013-06-17 02:13:35 PM
Old news.

FTA:  "...he summarized his 2009 breakthrough this way..."
 
2013-06-17 03:09:34 PM
HotnSweaty:
Yep, I get it -- San Berdoo can get cold. However, for the rocks to move, the ice sheet/hard freeze thing would have to happen consistently all winter to get the stones moving. Avg temp up there in January is like 50F.

You're right. I just used your "hard freeze" term as an excuse to post the picture. It was a rare enough event that they talked about it on local radio for nearly three days.
 
2013-06-17 04:45:29 PM

SVenus: The theory of ice helping the movement of those particular stones was a topic in my junior year college Geomorphology course, and I took that class in the 70s.

/Since this topic is crap, here's one that's cool
/if you didn't catch it, here's last Friday's XKCD

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x397]


This one is more on topic
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-06-17 06:58:57 PM
Why is it that when something like this comes up people will generally go for the outlandish explanation (aliens, magic, evil spirits) but tend to reject the true or probable explanation (wind, water, ice)? Hell, I saw a tabloid headline recently hypothesizing aliens did the Easter Island statues. That one has been solved for over 30 years!?! So many people in the 21st century never seem to get beyond the mental capacity of a nine year old. It's both amazing and frightening.

/i talked to the plants, they said that they wanted the water
 
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