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(SFGate)   How do you know when you need a new stadium? When raw sewage comes up through the drains of both team showers   (blog.sfgate.com ) divider line
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2013-06-16 11:58:43 PM  
If you're playing in Oakland, don't get deterred?
 
2013-06-17 12:15:10 AM  
I know it's never going to happen, but the Sacramento A's has a nice ring to it
 
2013-06-17 12:54:59 AM  
It's nothing that couldn't be solved with larger diameter sewage pipes (though how much of the place would have to be ripped out to accommodate that is a good question).
 
2013-06-17 01:45:19 AM  
TD Garden?
 
2013-06-17 01:56:13 AM  
For several years they've been trying  to build a waterfront Injun casino in Richmond  The city next to Oakland but a different county it keeps being rejected. My suggestion build a new  stadium  there with revenue sharing between both counties. And the Raiders can play in the brand farking new Cal stadium that reopened in 2012 or they can play at AT&T park like Cal did for 2010/2011 seasons.

/There's  at least two Bowl games a year at AT&T park.
 
2013-06-17 05:07:32 AM  
As opposed to cooked sewage?
 
2013-06-17 06:27:30 AM  

borg: For several years they've been trying  to build a waterfront Injun casino in Richmond  The city next to Oakland but a different county it keeps being rejected. My suggestion build a new  stadium  there with revenue sharing between both counties. And the Raiders can play in the brand farking new Cal stadium that reopened in 2012 or they can play at AT&T park like Cal did for 2010/2011 seasons.

/There's  at least two Bowl games a year at AT&T park.


revenue sharing between both counties. I see someone has their funny pants on today.
 
2013-06-17 06:37:12 AM  
It makes so much sense for them to move to San Jose but the Giants just have to be dicks. Is there even any hope they can have a future in Oakland at least?
 
2013-06-17 06:52:58 AM  
Wrong, Subby. You need a new stadium when you don't win a championship. At least that's according to the Atlanta Falcons and the Florida Marlins.
 
2013-06-17 07:02:57 AM  

TheJoe03: It makes so much sense for them to move to San Jose but the Giants just have to be dicks. Is there even any hope they can have a future in Oakland at least?


how much further is oakland from sf compareed to sj?  whats the issue here?

/ east coaster
 
2013-06-17 07:09:40 AM  
Sounds like someone got the pipes crossed.  The raw sewage was only supposed to come up in the visitor's showers.
 
2013-06-17 07:14:56 AM  
Maybe they can call Jessica Simpson to heel it all back down the drain.
 
2013-06-17 07:15:29 AM  

thisiszombocom: TheJoe03: It makes so much sense for them to move to San Jose but the Giants just have to be dicks. Is there even any hope they can have a future in Oakland at least?

how much further is oakland from sf compareed to sj?  whats the issue here?

/ east coaster


Oakland is much closer to SF than San Jose is.  Oakland is maybe 5-6 miles across the bay from SF, and San Jose is about 45 miles south of both Oakland and SJ.  The issue really is the Giants being dicks.
 
2013-06-17 07:15:37 AM  

thisiszombocom: how much further is oakland from sf compareed to sj?  whats the issue here?


I'd say pretty much the same (I'd say Oakland is a little closer) but the problem is that old A's ownership gave up South Bay "territory" to SF to help them when they were in some kind of dire straights. Not a big baseball fan but that's the story I've heard.
 
2013-06-17 07:16:57 AM  
TheJoe03: i'd say pretty much the same (I'd say Oakland is a little closer)

I meant to San Jose, I misread your post. San Francisco and Oakland are a bridge away from each other.
 
2013-06-17 07:36:41 AM  
I never understood why don't they move move to Portland or Salt Lake.
 
2013-06-17 07:38:44 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: I never understood why don't they move move to Portland or Salt Lake.



Why they just don't move to Portland or Salt Lake is what I meant to say
 
2013-06-17 08:30:45 AM  
It's a Sharthole.  You can't stop it.  Just consider it part of the local charm.
 
2013-06-17 09:58:16 AM  
How much would it cost to hire a plumber to pump raw sewage into your showers, thus showing your need for a new stadium? A couple hundred bucks?
 
2013-06-17 09:58:39 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: I never understood why don't they move move to Portland or Salt Lake.


Why they just don't move to Portland or Salt Lake is what I meant to say


Portland already has that neat little minor league park right by downtown if I recall correctly. I bet it's not full of poo.
 
2013-06-17 10:11:25 AM  

knight_on_the_rail: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: I never understood why don't they move move to Portland or Salt Lake.


Why they just don't move to Portland or Salt Lake is what I meant to say

Portland already has that neat little minor league park right by downtown if I recall correctly. I bet it's not full of poo.


It got converted into a soccer stadium. A pretty nice one, too, based on what I've seen of it on TV. Tempted to become a Timbers fan just 'cause of the fan base that I saw when I watched the Quakes play there.

/That and rooting for a team with "Amway" on the front is kind of a non-starter.
 
2013-06-17 10:25:30 AM  

JayCab: knight_on_the_rail: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: I never understood why don't they move move to Portland or Salt Lake.


Why they just don't move to Portland or Salt Lake is what I meant to say

Portland already has that neat little minor league park right by downtown if I recall correctly. I bet it's not full of poo.

It got converted into a soccer stadium. A pretty nice one, too, based on what I've seen of it on TV. Tempted to become a Timbers fan just 'cause of the fan base that I saw when I watched the Quakes play there.

/That and rooting for a team with "Amway" on the front is kind of a non-starter.


Oh, we'll that's pretty neat, everyone I know that lives up there is a big big soccer fan, maybe that's part of being a Portlander. Tattoos, fancy beers and soccer.
 
2013-06-17 10:41:25 AM  
I thought this story was going to be about Wrigley til I saw the SFGate tag. Plus the cubs only pump raw shiat onto the field.
 
2013-06-17 10:59:54 AM  
the a's aren't going to get a new stadium anywhere because they don't have a large or loyal fanbase.  nobody wants to go to a's games.  they don't really have any leverage to blackmail oakland or any other city in northern california into building them a stadium with public money.  also, the giants and bud selig are gonna block pretty much any bay area move that they try to make
 
2013-06-17 11:10:34 AM  
Build a new stadium in Freemont, next to the Quakes stadium. Not San Jose, still East Bay.
 
2013-06-17 11:14:17 AM  

digistil: You need a new stadium when you don't win a championship. At least that's according to the Atlanta Falcons and the Florida Marlins.


Errrr....you're saying the Marlins haven't won a championship (or two)?
 
2013-06-17 11:18:02 AM  

ChrisDe: How much would it cost to hire a plumber to pump raw sewage into your showers, thus showing your need for a new stadium? A couple hundred bucks?


Guess you've never tried to hire a plumber.
 
2013-06-17 11:27:57 AM  

animesucks: the a's aren't going to get a new stadium anywhere because they don't have a large or loyal fanbase.  nobody wants to go to a's games.  they don't really have any leverage to blackmail oakland or any other city in northern california into building them a stadium with public money.  also, the giants and bud selig are gonna block pretty much any bay area move that they try to make


Fixed that for you. Come to an A's game - the fans that are there are diehards. You can actually talk baseball with people around you - try doing that at a Giants game. People are just there to wear panda hats and eat garlic fries and take pics for instragram. Giants and Bud Selig are definitely going to block any move we try to make. I wish we could get a park built downtown in Oakland -  I don't want to be the San Jose A's and I DEFINITELY do not want to be the Sacramento A's.
 
2013-06-17 11:45:30 AM  
They should go back to Philly and play in Camden.. their fans should be able to fill the Riversharks' stadium.
 
2013-06-17 11:54:32 AM  
I wish i hadn't read this headline before lunch.
 
2013-06-17 12:04:55 PM  

MBrady: ChrisDe: How much would it cost to hire a plumber to pump raw sewage into your showers, thus showing your need for a new stadium? A couple hundred bucks?

Guess you've never tried to hire a plumber.


Just once. Didn't actually have any plumbing issues, I just wanted to see his butt crack while he checked out my kitchen sink.
 
2013-06-17 12:30:04 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Build a new stadium in Freemont, next to the Quakes stadium. Not San Jose, still East Bay.


They tried that already. Turns out the A's underestimated Fremont's ability to f*ck up anything that may transform it from a loose confederation of tract housing, Applebee's restaurants, and homeowners' associations.

The A's are boxed in right now. Can't build a new stadium in Oakland because the city government is beyond hopeless, and f*cking Al Davis poisoned the "new/renovated stadium" well back in the 90s. Can't build a new stadium in San Jose because of the Giants. Can't build elsewhere in the East Bay because the only suitable site has been pre-NIMBY'd.

I'd say the best solution is to build Coliseum II in the parking lot of the old Coliseum. Second-best solution would be to site it at Jack London square. With an improving economy, the 100% private financing necessary to make it happen looks more likely. Part of me wishes that Lew Wolff would just build a new stadium for the A's on the Embarcadero, next to the Warriors' new arena, just for the lulz.
 
2013-06-17 01:10:54 PM  
All Wolff has to do is demand that Major League Baseball buy the team from him and give him a different team.  Once MLB owns the A's, they won't have any qualms about infringing upon the territorial rights of anyone and everyone.  And they'll force the infringed-upon party into an awkward and unworkable jointly-owned cable network with the A's by way of "compensation."
 
2013-06-17 01:25:12 PM  

keepitcherry: animesucks: the a's aren't going to get a new stadium anywhere because they don't have a large or loyal fanbase.  nobody wants to go to a's games.  they don't really have any leverage to blackmail oakland or any other city in northern california into building them a stadium with public money.  also, the giants and bud selig are gonna block pretty much any bay area move that they try to make

Fixed that for you. Come to an A's game - the fans that are there are diehards. You can actually talk baseball with people around you - try doing that at a Giants game. People are just there to wear panda hats and eat garlic fries and take pics for instragram. Giants and Bud Selig are definitely going to block any move we try to make. I wish we could get a park built downtown in Oakland -  I don't want to be the San Jose A's and I DEFINITELY do not want to be the Sacramento A's.


Thanks keepitcherry, you saved me the trouble, and said it better. I'd love a new stadium, if...

1, It was in Oakland.

2. It didn't price the average fan (and more importantly, their kids) right out of the market.

3. It was in the same location, with easy access by BART or freeway.

4. The goddamned owner paid for it, rather than taxing fans and non-fans alike for the privilege of living in the same town/county as a MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM!

5. It was a baseball-only facility. Fark the Raiders. Fark Mount Davis. Fark dealing with football divots.

6. There was a guarantee that the owner's wouldn't immediately cut payroll as happened in Pittsburgh and Miami.

I attended my first A's game when they were still the Kansas City Athletics. They moved west the same year my family returned to California (I was a military brat) and although we lived 340 miles away, we always attended at least one series every year. When I lived in the Bay Area, I was there every game that my job allowed me to attend. Even now, living in Arizona, I show the Green & Gold in Anaheim (fortunately the past two years, the A's played series in Phoenix where there are tons of A's fans), Dodger Stadium, or Jack Murphy (haven't been to Petco Park yet) Stadium.

I spent a lot of time in Candlestick too, and I've seen how a new stadium changed the fanbase. Giants fans used to be a rowdy fun bunch, now they're more like Dodger fans; there to be seen, rather than to see. I'm sure they'll learn, mature and develop into more baseball savvy fans as their stadium ages, but right now, "Giants fan" = frontrunner (I should clarify; fans actually attending Giants games are frontrunners. The real Giants fans are listening on the radio). I most emphatically don't want this for my Oakland A's. I don't want boutique baseball, I don't want distractions from the game, and I don't want to go and not see an old friend or neighbor that I've been communing with for 46 years because he or she just can't afford the price of admission anymore.

I want a new stadium that has a view of the Oakland hills (they're actually very pretty when not on fire), a new stadium that gives a pitcher's advantage (did I mention that I like baseball?) and I want to attend games with my fellow A's fans and friends, not the executive officers of every Bay Area corporation that can afford season ducats. I want a third deck that is not tarped off to keep ticket prices high, and I want bleacher seats for those days just before payday.

In other words, I want the Coliseum, just remodeled. Spend a few bucks Lew Wolff, it will (and has) return to you and bring its friends. Or sell the team to someone who likes green-collar baseball.

/I miss Walter Haas Jr., the best owner of all-time. ALL-TIME!
//hell, I even miss Charlie Finley, simultaneously the second-best and absolutely the worst owner in baseball history
 
2013-06-17 02:18:37 PM  
This is the difference between a team which moved from Philadelphia and a team that stayed in Philadelphia.  The team that moved found raw sewage seeping into the clubhouse and they don't want it there.  The team that stayed puts uniforms on their raw sewage and pays them millions of dollars to occupy the clubhouse.
 
2013-06-17 02:42:46 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: keepitcherry: animesucks: the a's aren't going to get a new stadium anywhere because they don't have a large or loyal fanbase.  nobody wants to go to a's games.  they don't really have any leverage to blackmail oakland or any other city in northern california into building them a stadium with public money.  also, the giants and bud selig are gonna block pretty much any bay area move that they try to make

Fixed that for you. Come to an A's game - the fans that are there are diehards. You can actually talk baseball with people around you - try doing that at a Giants game. People are just there to wear panda hats and eat garlic fries and take pics for instragram. Giants and Bud Selig are definitely going to block any move we try to make. I wish we could get a park built downtown in Oakland -  I don't want to be the San Jose A's and I DEFINITELY do not want to be the Sacramento A's.

Thanks keepitcherry, you saved me the trouble, and said it better. I'd love a new stadium, if...

1, It was in Oakland.

2. It didn't price the average fan (and more importantly, their kids) right out of the market.

3. It was in the same location, with easy access by BART or freeway.

4. The goddamned owner paid for it, rather than taxing fans and non-fans alike for the privilege of living in the same town/county as a MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM!

5. It was a baseball-only facility. Fark the Raiders. Fark Mount Davis. Fark dealing with football divots.

6. There was a guarantee that the owner's wouldn't immediately cut payroll as happened in Pittsburgh and Miami.

I attended my first A's game when they were still the Kansas City Athletics. They moved west the same year my family returned to California (I was a military brat) and although we lived 340 miles away, we always attended at least one series every year. When I lived in the Bay Area, I was there every game that my job allowed me to attend. Even now, living in Arizona, I show the Green & Gold in Anaheim (fortunately the past two years, th ...


That was.....that was beautiful man. I agree with everything you just said 100%.
 
2013-06-17 03:36:14 PM  

keepitcherry: I agree with everything you just said 100%.


People like you and Cagey B know. Y'all know the quandary the A's are in. And I'd bet that most A's fans would agree with us. But you know what's cool? There has never been a better time to be an A's fan. Between last season and this season, I have never been more entertained by baseball. Even when we lose, it's just a reminder that no one wins 'em all.

One of these days we're gonna have to have a FARK party at the Coliseum, because I know I'd enjoy watching baseball with y'all.
 
2013-06-17 04:49:03 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: keepitcherry: animesucks: the a's aren't going to get a new stadium anywhere because they don't have a large or loyal fanbase.  nobody wants to go to a's games.  they don't really have any leverage to blackmail oakland or any other city in northern california into building them a stadium with public money.  also, the giants and bud selig are gonna block pretty much any bay area move that they try to make

Fixed that for you. Come to an A's game - the fans that are there are diehards. You can actually talk baseball with people around you - try doing that at a Giants game. People are just there to wear panda hats and eat garlic fries and take pics for instragram. Giants and Bud Selig are definitely going to block any move we try to make. I wish we could get a park built downtown in Oakland -  I don't want to be the San Jose A's and I DEFINITELY do not want to be the Sacramento A's.

Thanks keepitcherry, you saved me the trouble, and said it better. I'd love a new stadium, if...

1, It was in Oakland.

2. It didn't price the average fan (and more importantly, their kids) right out of the market.

3. It was in the same location, with easy access by BART or freeway.

4. The goddamned owner paid for it, rather than taxing fans and non-fans alike for the privilege of living in the same town/county as a MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM!

5. It was a baseball-only facility. Fark the Raiders. Fark Mount Davis. Fark dealing with football divots.

6. There was a guarantee that the owner's wouldn't immediately cut payroll as happened in Pittsburgh and Miami.

I attended my first A's game when they were still the Kansas City Athletics. They moved west the same year my family returned to California (I was a military brat) and although we lived 340 miles away, we always attended at least one series every year. When I lived in the Bay Area, I was there every game that my job allowed me to attend. Even now, living in Arizona, I show the Green & Gold in Anaheim (fortunately the past two years, th ...


Well, I couldn't have written this any better.  As a former A's Batboy and Oaklander born/bred, I am a diehard fan like the rest of the fans that come to the games.  Your points are well thought out and, in my opinion, accurate.  Go A's!
 
2013-06-17 04:55:13 PM  

8 inches: Go A's!


You're invited, too!
 
2013-06-17 05:26:09 PM  

Notabunny: As opposed to cooked sewage?


narwhaler.com
 
2013-06-17 05:42:02 PM  
I will be there next Saturday to get my bernie lean on and get my bobblehead lol. Can't wait!
 
2013-06-17 05:43:28 PM  
I also second what was said up above that between last year and this year this is the most fun I've ever had watching baseball and I've loved baseball since I was a little kid. Been an A's fan like 20 years
 
2013-06-17 06:03:48 PM  
You can't spell Coliseum without "e coli".
 
2013-06-17 06:16:22 PM  

iamskibibitz: You can't spell Coliseum without "e coli".


www.allfordmustangs.com
 
2013-06-17 08:12:49 PM  
Angel Hernandez behind the plate?!? shiat. Better swing away, A's.
 
2013-06-17 08:29:06 PM  
Melvin should go question Hernandez about that home run.
 
2013-06-17 09:10:07 PM  
A's just tied it up against the Rangers. Got a break when the ump missed a tag at 3rd... broke the inning wide open after that. Still got two on with nobody out.

/Glad they waited until the first intermission to do this, else I'd have missed it.
//Whoops, now they're in the lead!
 
2013-06-17 09:24:27 PM  

JayCab: A's just tied it up against the Rangers. Got a break when the ump missed a tag at 3rd... broke the inning wide open after that. Still got two on with nobody out.

/Glad they waited until the first intermission to do this, else I'd have missed it.
//Whoops, now they're in the lead!


I've had you favorited as a possible A's fan. Am I right?

/6-3, A's!
//LET'S GO OAKLAND! Clap, clap, Clapclapclap!
 
2013-06-17 10:11:47 PM  
My first sports game I went to was in Arlington, so I'm rooting for the Rangers right now. I support the A's trying to stay in the Bay, but I gotta go for my hometown tonight! Glad I can actually watch them on TV right now.
 
2013-06-17 10:16:34 PM  

TheJoe03: My first sports game I went to was in Arlington, so I'm rooting for the Rangers right now. I support the A's trying to stay in the Bay, but I gotta go for my hometown tonight! Glad I can actually watch them on TV right now.


That's fine, we need more baseball fans and we A's fans appreciate your good thoughts.

/good luck, I hope you lose
 
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