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(Salon)   Children's museum that discriminated against family because the parents are lesbians, but denies it because of religious grounds, now screaming that they're the ones being discriminated against   (salon.com) divider line 253
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2013-06-16 08:41:52 PM  
Same sex marriage is not recognized in Florida. The museum can set any regulations they wish within the law. If the museum chooses to mirror the state's definition of a family and others are harassing them the museum, its employees and board are indeed 'victims'.

If mom had a boyfriend rather than a husband it would be the same extra ten dollars. They treat everyone the same, heterosexual or homosexual and follow the Florida law and they are pilloried.


Being an arsehole because you don't get exactly what you (or someone else) wants is quite trendy, so is Internet outrage. Of course both are much easier than civil discourse with your elected legislators to change laws you don't like.
 
2013-06-16 08:53:17 PM  

feckingmorons: Same sex marriage is not recognized in Florida. The museum can set any regulations they wish within the law. If the museum chooses to mirror the state's definition of a family and others are harassing them the museum, its employees and board are indeed 'victims'.

If mom had a boyfriend rather than a husband it would be the same extra ten dollars. They treat everyone the same, heterosexual or homosexual and follow the Florida law and they are pilloried.


Being an arsehole because you don't get exactly what you (or someone else) wants is quite trendy, so is Internet outrage. Of course both are much easier than civil discourse with your elected legislators to change laws you don't like.


Being treated equally means treating married couples the same. That did not happen here, did it?
 
2013-06-16 08:53:26 PM  
But in fact the "Hands On" Children's Museum , it's employees, the board

"It is employees?"
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2013-06-16 08:55:34 PM  

feckingmorons: If the museum chooses to mirror the state's definition of a family and others are harassing them the museum, its employees and board are indeed 'victims'


Or they can just change their policy and not be dicks to anyone.
 
2013-06-16 09:04:18 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-16 09:07:26 PM  
FTFA: This policy is consistent with our religious beliefs

Your religious beliefs arediscriminatory
 
2013-06-16 09:07:52 PM  

feckingmorons: If mom had a boyfriend rather than a husband it would be the same extra ten dollars. They treat everyone the same, heterosexual or homosexual and follow the Florida law and they are pilloried.


Oh...you child. I'm pretty sure if it was "male/female" names they not look for marriage license or request them. Do they ask for a marriage license for Heterosexual couples? And vet those, marriage licenses? No...that's not equal. They treat gay people differently---because on the face they are same sex; "boy friend and baby mom" couple would get a pass unless they ask for marriage licenses for each couple, no?


..and.

MBK: Or they can just change their policy and not be dicks to anyone.

 
2013-06-16 09:24:27 PM  

MBK: feckingmorons: If the museum chooses to mirror the state's definition of a family and others are harassing them the museum, its employees and board are indeed 'victims'

Or they can just change their policy and not be dicks to anyone.


It's amazing how difficult that is for some people.
 
2013-06-16 09:25:49 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: This policy is consistent with our religious beliefs

Your religious beliefs arediscriminatory


Well, see, here's the deal: You have every right to follow the rules of your particular religion, but you have no right whatsoever to require other people to follow the rules of your particular religion.
 
2013-06-16 09:28:23 PM  
I'll bet they sell ham sandwiches and cheeseburgers in their cafeteria.
 
2013-06-16 09:29:26 PM  
My house, my rules.
 
2013-06-16 09:50:08 PM  

bojon: My house, my rules.


Echoing the word of bigots since 1950.

lcweb.loc.gov
 
2013-06-16 09:51:50 PM  
So, it's discrimination now to be called dicks to your face, after acting in properly dickish manner?

Good to know. Dicks.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2013-06-16 09:59:59 PM  

optikeye: bojon: My house, my rules.

Echoing the word of bigots since 1950.

[lcweb.loc.gov image 800x659]


BUT YOU SEE THEY WERE BORN BLACK

YOU AREN'T BORN GAY

ITS A CHOICE.

NOT THE SAME THING.

...............god I need a shower after I said that.
 
2013-06-16 10:04:44 PM  

hubiestubert: So, it's discrimination now to be called dicks to your face, after acting in properly dickish manner?

Good to know. Dicks.


I get my republican asshole GOP Governors confused sometimes. They're all seem to be Ricks, Dicks, or Scotts. Sometimes a combination of both.
 
2013-06-16 10:19:35 PM  

feckingmorons: Same sex marriage is not recognized in Florida. The museum can set any regulations they wish within the law. If the museum chooses to mirror the state's definition of a family and others are harassing them the museum, its employees and board are indeed 'victims'.

If mom had a boyfriend rather than a husband it would be the same extra ten dollars. They treat everyone the same, heterosexual or homosexual and follow the Florida law and they are pilloried.


Being an arsehole because you don't get exactly what you (or someone else) wants is quite trendy, so is Internet outrage. Of course both are much easier than civil discourse with your elected legislators to change laws you don't like.


How dare they sit at the whites only cafeteria counter?
 
2013-06-16 10:31:55 PM  

feckingmorons: Being an arsehole because you don't get exactly what you (or someone else) wants is quite trendy, so is Internet outrage. Of course both are much easier than civil discourse with your elected legislators to change laws you don't like.


westwingreports.com

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Yeah...because that ALWAYS worked.
assets.nydailynews.com


Just how many "Points" do gay citizens gets..3/5 of hetrosexual?
 
2013-06-16 11:06:15 PM  
How much is that museum employee possibly paid to give a fark about that, and how little is the lesbian paid to give a fark about it?

I'll send them both $10.00. Sounds like they both could use it.

/and a drink
 
2013-06-16 11:29:40 PM  
IDK why anyone would keep a membership in this pissant museum for three years.

Its membership packages are very odd.  Only one parent is included in a family membership; another costs $10 extra.  May have been updated since this story broke.

http://handsonchildrensmuseumjax.startlogic.com/memberships.html
 
2013-06-16 11:30:42 PM  
I like how they basically called that family a single parent household. Yeah, that's pretty dickish.
 
2013-06-16 11:46:42 PM  

feckingmorons: Being an arsehole because you don't get exactly what you (or someone else) wants is quite trendy, so is Internet outrage. Of course both are much easier than civil discourse with your elected legislators to change laws you don't like.


How long do you think it would have taken to get rid of segregation laws in the South through popular vote in each state?

How long do you think it would have taken to end laws against interracial marriage if through popular vote in each state?  Hell, interracial marriage might still be illegal in Mississippi in that case.
 
2013-06-17 12:01:48 AM  
We need a "predictable" tag.
 
2013-06-17 12:03:14 AM  

optikeye: Oh...you child. I'm pretty sure if it was "male/female" names they not look for marriage license or request them


It's the South. Half their male applicants probably have first names that are "female" in the rest of the country. I'm looking at you Jody, Lindsey, Mason, Kelly, Shawn, Kris, etc etc.

/and Pat
 
2013-06-17 12:03:48 AM  
Those children's museums are huge ripoffs. They are usually deserted, dirty, and the staff couldn't care less about the patrons.

The Children's museum in Seattle is a travesty. Not having been to Florida, I assume this one is just as bad.
 
2013-06-17 12:04:44 AM  
Oh damn, we're going to have this wedding cake discussion all over again, aren't we?
 
2013-06-17 12:05:47 AM  
Isn't living in Jacksonville suffering enough? Everyone should just let it go and hug it out.

/Maybe smell each other's hair
 
2013-06-17 12:08:01 AM  
What the fark does a children's museum have to do with sexual orientation or religion anyway?
 
2013-06-17 12:08:46 AM  

Krieghund: optikeye: Oh...you child. I'm pretty sure if it was "male/female" names they not look for marriage license or request them

It's the South. Half their male applicants probably have first names that are "female" in the rest of the country. I'm looking at you Jody, Lindsey, Mason, Kelly, Shawn, Kris, etc etc.

/and Pat


And Stacy and Tracy.
 
2013-06-17 12:10:08 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: MBK: feckingmorons: If the museum chooses to mirror the state's definition of a family and others are harassing them the museum, its employees and board are indeed 'victims'

Or they can just change their policy and not be dicks to anyone.

It's amazing how difficult that is for some people.


Religiously-inspired hate is the best kind of hate. And the hardest to get rid of.
 
2013-06-17 12:10:56 AM  
A "Hands On Children" Museum, you say? Run by religious folk?
 
2013-06-17 12:11:59 AM  

bojon: My house, my rules.


Indeed. And your rules may preclude others from supporting your business, like it or not.
 
2013-06-17 12:12:07 AM  
Lesbians can be parents the way substitute teachers are College Professors
 
2013-06-17 12:13:04 AM  
The picture that optikeye posted makes me think of the response to that children's museum. Are they wrong? Yes. Should people respond to the museum in a rude manner? I don't think so. In optikeye's picture, the people went into the diner and demonstrated peacefully, though they were breaking the law. No bad attitude, no violence. And this was regarding civil rights!

This museum issue is also about civil rights, but acting like jerks toward the museum is not helpful. There are things that can be done but why be the worse person in the argument?
 
2013-06-17 12:13:33 AM  

MBK: feckingmorons: If the museum chooses to mirror the state's definition of a family and others are harassing them the museum, its employees and board are indeed 'victims'

Or they can just change their policy and not be dicks to anyone.


OR they can change their policy and be dicks to EVERYONE!

Then they can whine that nobody will come to their museum because of intolerance, but them's the breaks.
 
2013-06-17 12:13:34 AM  
Oh, so it's that kind of hands-on-childrens museum.
 
2013-06-17 12:13:36 AM  
So my wife signed the Groom line of the Marriage Certificate. And one cat has a boy's name and she's a girl.

Looks like a museum in Florida appears to have children's mummified corpses for a hands-on-experience wants to charge a special fee for missing or accidental document problems. Makes sense. Hope the museum has some local tourist-tax money supporting it or just take away money from legitimate schools in the area.
 
2013-06-17 12:13:48 AM  
Oh yes, Jacksonville, the only major city in the state that's still refusing to pass non-discrimination ordinances.
 
2013-06-17 12:14:09 AM  

Krieghund: optikeye: Oh...you child. I'm pretty sure if it was "male/female" names they not look for marriage license or request them

It's the South. Half their male applicants probably have first names that are "female" in the rest of the country. I'm looking at you Jody, Lindsey, Mason, Kelly, Shawn, Kris, etc etc.

/and Pat


Mason? A woman? Ugh. Bad enough giving last names to boys.
 
2013-06-17 12:14:20 AM  

poot_rootbeer: What the fark does a children's museum have to do with sexual orientation or religion anyway?


Recruit them when they're young, and they're yours for life.
 
2013-06-17 12:16:09 AM  

poot_rootbeer: What the fark does a children's museum have to do with sexual orientation or religion anyway?


Recruitment.
 
2013-06-17 12:17:00 AM  

Fano: Lesbians can be parents the way substitute teachers are College Professors


Try not to make your trolling so obvious next time
 
2013-06-17 12:18:23 AM  
 
2013-06-17 12:18:52 AM  

Ed Grubermann: poot_rootbeer: What the fark does a children's museum have to do with sexual orientation or religion anyway?

Recruit them when they're young, and they're yours for life.


sassin frassin double crossin'

/ shakes fist
 
2013-06-17 12:18:53 AM  

Fano: Lesbians can be parents the way substitute teachers are College Professors


Man, I don't even know how to begin.
Just leave and go find something better to do that isn't a waste of yours and our time.
 
2013-06-17 12:20:05 AM  
As long as we allow state laws to be discriminatory then business that operate within that sphere may also do so.

That said they have their policies worked out for basically all memberships with only 1 named parent and the extra person is always $10 at least as of today given the link above, so I'm not feeling the outrage.  It seems like a case of I got told company policy and it's dickish and punitive, but it appears dickish and punitive for everyone so this seems more like she didn't like the policy and assumed it was just because she was in a gay marriage when really everyone gets one named parent and the other is $10 no matter what their legal status.
 
2013-06-17 12:24:30 AM  
"This policy is consistent with our religious beliefs."

Dear museum goons: Shove your g - - d - - - - - religious beliefs back into your cold, dark souls and operate your museum according to the code of 21st century enlightenment. Please.

This nation guarantees you the right to worship how you want, as many days of the week as you want, but if you open up to "the public" you can't be discriminatory to certain segments of caring, nurturing society UNLESS you are ready to be taunted and made fun of.

Your outrage suggests that you are not.
 
2013-06-17 12:25:08 AM  
As someone who works in a museum with family memberships, I can safely say that the museum (well, at least mine) doesn't care. It's just the ticket seller being a bigot. If it's two adults and their names are on the membership and they bring 10 kids (and maybe 2 are their own) under the age of 18 we let them in. Of course this is in Minnesota and people are super honest and insist on paying, but whatever.
 
2013-06-17 12:25:34 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Being treated equally means treating married couples the same. That did not happen here, did it?


Because they ARE NOT MARRIED according to Florida Law. Not saying it's right but it is legal.
 
2013-06-17 12:27:52 AM  

UseLessHuman: As long as we allow state laws to be discriminatory then business that operate within that sphere may also do so.

That said they have their policies worked out for basically all memberships with only 1 named parent and the extra person is always $10 at least as of today given the link above, so I'm not feeling the outrage.  It seems like a case of I got told company policy and it's dickish and punitive, but it appears dickish and punitive for everyone so this seems more like she didn't like the policy and assumed it was just because she was in a gay marriage when really everyone gets one named parent and the other is $10 no matter what their legal status.


I'm really thinking that membership page was revised hastily after this shiat hit the fan.  It makes no sense to charge extra for two parents if you're in the business of promoting traditional families.
 
2013-06-17 12:28:22 AM  

revrendjim: Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: This policy is consistent with our religious beliefs

Your religious beliefs arediscriminatory

Well, see, here's the deal: You have every right to follow the rules of your particular religion, but you have no right whatsoever to require other people to follow the rules of your particular religion.


Nor to be shielded from being called on being a dick when you're a dick.
 
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