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2013-06-17 02:29:46 PM  

Gunther: Bumblefark: My personal favorite are drug dogs. I remember being pulled aside in an airport when I was 18. Long story short, doggie decided I had drugs on me. (Nope.) The officers were pretty pissed when I wouldn't cop to anything, or tell them where I hid the drugs in my luggage that they were in the process of pulling apart, seam by seam.

A lot of the time with drug dogs, the dog is reacting in response to the cop. The cop sees some dreadlocked college student with a "legalize it" T-shirt, his body language changes and the dog picks up on it.


True.

However, i think that their false positive is a price to be paid if they do have a good record for detecting it when it is present.

Shredding of bags and stuff is retarded though.  Lay it all out on tables and walk the dog down the table.  If the dog then alerted on the bag. Then call in a different unit to verify(with no que's to the other dog handler as to "see if they find it in the bag", just, "see if your dog alerts any of the stuff on the tables")

It does suck when the dog does alert, and there's a pound of heroin, but the defense makes an argument against dogs being accurate, and they get off.  If there were drugs and the dog found them, in this case, it worked.

Sad that so many cops are assholes and/or entirely ignorant.

Under all that logic, it stands to reason cops should be held accountable for their false positives or other fark-ups and damage incurred.  This would go a LONG ways to nullifying a lot of the public hate towards cops and inspire them to do better.  Wouldn't feel like so much of a police state.
 
2013-06-17 06:49:10 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Shredding of bags and stuff is retarded though. Lay it all out on tables and walk the dog down the table. If the dog then alerted on the bag. Then call in a different unit to verify(with no que's to the other dog handler as to "see if they find it in the bag", just, "see if your dog alerts any of the stuff on the tables")


Heck, when I saw drug dog operation on the television, the handler even found the drugs within double wrapped used diapers.  The dog would stick his nose and hold it there wherever the drugs were.

All you'd have to do is remove items one by one, until the dog switched attention from the bag to the item for more than a moment/sniff or two.  Once the bag is empty, rotate the bag until the dog alerts on a specific part of the bag.  Tear that bit apart.
 
2013-06-17 08:45:05 PM  

Firethorn: All you'd have to do


Yeah. I was just spitballing a way to mitigate the damage an inept handler(or overzealous power freak of a handler, or whatever) would cause, as there does seem to be a lot of them.  I'll admit it's not very efficient, but it's something.

Point was, the dogs can be useful, but they're not magical or immune to environment.  Just because they're not perfect doesn't mean we should never use them.  We should at least try to avoid some of the complaints instead of passively permit such behavior on the part of the cops.
 
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