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2013-06-16 01:30:54 PM  
They make cheese in Iran
 
2013-06-16 01:33:29 PM  
Good God, that is some weapons-grade deep from the people in charge.
 
2013-06-16 01:52:10 PM  
Iran just had free elections too
 
2013-06-16 02:20:33 PM  
Mmmmm...panir
 
2013-06-16 02:56:10 PM  

whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too


No, it didn't.
 
2013-06-16 04:53:44 PM  
A lot of Republicans at the state level around the country are walking along this path - authoritarian, scared of losing control, and openly contemptuous of the democratic process.
 
2013-06-16 04:59:10 PM  
That's not fair.  Iranian politicians often care about their constituents.
 
2013-06-16 05:00:05 PM  
They make...

supichoo: They make cheese in Iran


*shakes fist*
 
2013-06-16 05:10:12 PM  
The Iranian government has a lot less open contempt for their working class citizens.
 
2013-06-16 05:31:42 PM  
What is going on up there? They are about as Northern as one can get in the US being up there next to Canada and filled with so many people of Scandinavian/Northern European ancestry. What is up with the Texas style leadership?
 
2013-06-16 05:46:28 PM  

Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.


My mistake. It's just back to the cheese then.
 
2013-06-16 05:50:35 PM  

Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.


Oh? Prove it.
 
2013-06-16 05:58:19 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Mmmmm...panir


Throw it in some tikka masala, got yourself a deal!
 
2013-06-16 06:00:41 PM  
Holy shiat it is nice living in the mostly purple state of Colorado.
 
2013-06-16 06:01:31 PM  
Having visited the capitol of Wisconsin multiple times, seeing it in all it's "grandeur", I have a feeling that Iran is a much nicer place.
 
2013-06-16 06:01:55 PM  

WorldCitizen: What is going on up there? They are about as Northern as one can get in the US being up there next to Canada and filled with so many people of Scandinavian/Northern European ancestry. What is up with the Texas style leadership?


A couple of rich farks from Kansas happened.
 
2013-06-16 06:05:18 PM  

WorldCitizen: What is going on up there? They are about as Northern as one can get in the US being up there next to Canada and filled with so many people of Scandinavian/Northern European ancestry. What is up with the Texas style leadership?


They looked to the north, saw all the shady shiat Harper's getting away with and said "hmmmm, that looks profitable/like fun"?
 
2013-06-16 06:07:24 PM  
La Folette or McCarthy. You decide, Wisconsin
 
2013-06-16 06:10:07 PM  

Rincewind53: Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.

Oh? Prove it.


It was Iran, therefore they couldn't POSSIBLY have had free elections. Because them Mooslims don't know about democracy and stuff. That's why Ahmadinejad won again and then pretended he lost so the other guy could pretend to win or something.
 
2013-06-16 06:10:15 PM  

Rincewind53: Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.

Oh? Prove it.


well considering that the Guardian Council can ban candidates they don't like, I wouldn't exactly  call it free.
 
2013-06-16 06:10:56 PM  

Gosling: WorldCitizen: What is going on up there? They are about as Northern as one can get in the US being up there next to Canada and filled with so many people of Scandinavian/Northern European ancestry. What is up with the Texas style leadership?

A couple of rich farks from Kansas happened.


I heard the Koch brothers bought the government, but I am not sure how that happened. Regardless this could work out well. The smoldering crater will be the shining example of what happens when we embrace the ideals of corporatism  and conservatives. The people of the good state if Wisconsin, unfortunately, will be the cost but most of them voted for these assholes so I guess they get the government they deserve.
 
2013-06-16 06:12:02 PM  

jst3p: Holy shiat it is nice living in the mostly purple state of Colorado.


We've gone purple bipolar; haven't voted for a Republican for President since Ronnie second term and had (until 2010) two Democrats for Senators for 15-20 years.  However, outside of Madison and Milwaukee it gets red in a hurry, and between gerrymandering, Democrats punting the rural parts of the state, and populations increasing in the heavily Republican areas... it doesn't look good for state Democrats here until Walker decides he wants to go to Washington.
 
2013-06-16 06:13:08 PM  
Iran has a lot more attractive women. That's about it.
 
2013-06-16 06:13:22 PM  

Rincewind53: Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.

Oh? Prove it.


All candidates must first be permitted to run by a council chosen by the supreme leader.

It's not a free election if your candidates are all fixed before the vote even starts.
 
2013-06-16 06:13:46 PM  
Zerkalo's got it.

Wisconsin can best be viewed with a lens focused on Milwaukee and Green Bay.

Milwaukee repeatedly elected a Socialist as mayor for many years, while simultaneously the state was sending Joe McCarthy to the Senate, who was from the Green Bay area, perhaps the state's most reliably conservative region.

There are those who suggest Madison is the "real" Wisconsin--and I live here, and like it here, for the most part--but Madison is NOT reflective of the state, overall. Just as Austin is hardly reflective of Texas's overall attitude and point of view, neither is Madison to Wisconsin's.
 
2013-06-16 06:15:17 PM  

Joe USer: Rincewind53: Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.

Oh? Prove it.

All candidates must first be permitted to run by a council chosen by the supreme leader.

It's not a free election if your candidates are all fixed before the vote even starts.


Nonsense you may have any flavor of ice cream you want, so long as you want chocolate or chocolate.
 
2013-06-16 06:15:55 PM  
While it's true that Wisconsin dairy product is far and away superior it must be noted that Iran just elected a moderate reformist President in Rowhani and Wisconsin still has a partisan hack as Governor so it all sorta evens out.
 
2013-06-16 06:16:51 PM  

Joe USer: All candidates must first be permitted to run by a council chosen by the supreme leader.

It's not a free election if your candidates are all fixed before the vote even starts.


thyblackman.com
 
2013-06-16 06:17:50 PM  

crab66: Joe USer: All candidates must first be permitted to run by a council chosen by the supreme leader.

It's not a free election if your candidates are all fixed before the vote even starts.

[thyblackman.com image 225x225]


That's different, the GOP and DNC pick the candidates they think everyone is going to want before the election based on what they think is best for America.
 
2013-06-16 06:19:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Rincewind53: Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.

Oh? Prove it.

It was Iran, therefore they couldn't POSSIBLY have had free elections. Because them Mooslims don't know about democracy and stuff. That's why Ahmadinejad won again and then pretended he lost so the other guy could pretend to win or something.


I don't know if it's really a free election if your religious dictator gets to pick the candidates allowed to run.
 
2013-06-16 06:19:20 PM  

zerkalo: La Folette or McCarthy. You decide, Wisconsin


Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.
 
2013-06-16 06:19:51 PM  

jst3p: Gosling: WorldCitizen: What is going on up there? They are about as Northern as one can get in the US being up there next to Canada and filled with so many people of Scandinavian/Northern European ancestry. What is up with the Texas style leadership?

A couple of rich farks from Kansas happened.

I heard the Koch brothers bought the government, but I am not sure how that happened. Regardless this could work out well. The smoldering crater will be the shining example of what happens when we embrace the ideals of corporatism  and conservatives. The people of the good state if Wisconsin, unfortunately, will be the cost but most of them voted for these assholes so I guess they get the government they deserve.




Nah. It will be viewed by the Republicans as a shining example of further teacher union tampering, Obamacare, and Acorn.Just like how poor Republicans are still waiting for Reagan's trickle to rain down upon them 30 year as promised.
 
2013-06-16 06:20:58 PM  
Welcome to your new USA, where corporations matter a lot more than you do and we've not-so-secretly replaced "democracy" with "oligarchy"
 
2013-06-16 06:23:12 PM  

crab66: Joe USer: All candidates must first be permitted to run by a council chosen by the supreme leader.

It's not a free election if your candidates are all fixed before the vote even starts.

[thyblackman.com image 225x225]


And is there a religious Supreme Leader for life who is the real power in the United States with our Presidents just as figure heads?

And as much as Americans allow parties to control who gets to run in primaries and thus who ultimately gets to run for president, that's still a choice of the American people. Americans don't HAVE to vote for the candidates of the two parties. They just largely do for whatever reasons (I would argue mostly voter apathy on paying attention to the world around them and in voting) that are still ultimately the decisions of the voters and not the parties.

Personally, I don't like political parties and think we should elect the best and brightest among us without a party system, but that's not going to happen.
 
2013-06-16 06:24:40 PM  
GiS for "Iranian Cheese":


mypersiankitchen.com

Your move, Subby.

Historians are going to look back on this point in American history in utter horror.

My (hopeful) theory is all this crap legislation/crazy lawmakers getting elected amounts to the panicked thrashing about of the conservative movement in its final death throes. Ten years from now (if we can manage to live that long) it will be mostly behind us, except for the cleanup, which will take another 20 to 30 years.
 
2013-06-16 06:24:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Rincewind53: Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.

Oh? Prove it.

It was Iran, therefore they couldn't POSSIBLY have had free elections. Because them Mooslims don't know about democracy and stuff. That's why Ahmadinejad won again and then pretended he lost so the other guy could pretend to win or something.


Ahmadinejad wasn't running, but don't let that get in the way of your derpfest.
 
2013-06-16 06:26:44 PM  

WorldCitizen: And is there a religious Supreme Leader for life who is the real power in the United States with our Presidents just as figure heads?


Sure seems like it sometimes.
 
2013-06-16 06:26:54 PM  
McCarthy was from Appleton.  Not too far from GB, but a world away.
 
2013-06-16 06:27:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: crab66: Joe USer: All candidates must first be permitted to run by a council chosen by the supreme leader.

It's not a free election if your candidates are all fixed before the vote even starts.

[thyblackman.com image 225x225]

That's different, the GOP and DNC pick the candidates they think everyone is going to want before the election based on what they think is best for America.


You're adorable!
 
2013-06-16 06:27:58 PM  
Iran is a lot more progressive on transgender rights than Wisconsin.
 
2013-06-16 06:31:14 PM  
Republicans talk a lot about establishing a "permanent majority," but I think there's a certain insecurity in the way they govern, both locally and nationally. The desperation to get as much legislation over the wall as possible before the Democrats return to power is palpable, and results in a lot of bills (and bill-making procedure) scribbled in a hasty panic, often in secret to prevent debate, passed with handshakes, and signed before anyone knows what hit 'em. Fear of the opposition and authoritarianism share a lot of the same qualities, so it's tough to know which ones are due to neocorporatist fascism and which ones are due to the fact that some of these people are worried that they won't get another term.

Federally, the Republicans have responded by putting on the brakes; as the opposition, their own legislation isn't getting through, primarily because most of it is so awful; the "cook and eat the children of the poor" act of 2013 would never make it through even Reid's Senate. That's why you get 41 attempts to repeal Obamacare; a vote on that is a vote NOT being taken to raise the tax cap on Social Security to ensure its solvency or an investigation into Republican favor-selling.

At the state level, though, there's been this frantic rush to ram as much legislation as possible through unified legislative and executive branches. And if the recent election has taught them anything, it's that even gerrymandering only works for so long; it might buy you a couple of election cycles, but that's about it. Opposition is time-consuming, and cutting it out is so much more efficient. Even Bush said a dictatorship would be easier. He wasn't really wrong.
 
2013-06-16 06:33:05 PM  
As for "Why is Wisconsin acting like Texas", it's because most of the Midwest isn't much more than an internal colony of the other parts of the US, and is controlled primarily by corporations who convince people that the corporations know best.

The Midwest wasn't even really habitable by anything short of early industrial technology.
 
2013-06-16 06:34:12 PM  
Do they have any females that can propose a law that states that any male who gets a prostate screening must first undergo a highly invasive procedure (more than the typical evaluation) something along side the same size as they need to have for their ultrasound procedure......after all, cancer is a living organism.
 
2013-06-16 06:35:02 PM  

Serious Black: Iran is a lot more progressive on transgender rights than Wisconsin.


Citation that Wisconsin doesn't support transgender rights?  Or are you making things up again?
(Wisconsin allows a person born in the state who has completed sex-reassignment surgery to amend his or her birth certificate once documentation of the surgery and of a change of name is provided.)

You do know that it is illegal to be gay in Iraq and if you are caught, it isn't like getting a parking ticket?  Right?  Right???
 
2013-06-16 06:36:11 PM  
i.imgur.com
Scenery at a Wisconsin football game

i.imgur.com
Scenery at an Iranian football game
 
2013-06-16 06:37:10 PM  

Pin Fiften Clob: Rincewind53: Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.

Oh? Prove it.

well considering that the Guardian Council can ban candidates they don't like, I wouldn't exactly  call it free.


Go try and get on a state-wide or federal ballot as a third party candidate.  Our Guardian Council's just larger and has more visible infighting.
 
2013-06-16 06:39:45 PM  

WorldCitizen: crab66: Joe USer: All candidates must first be permitted to run by a council chosen by the supreme leader.

It's not a free election if your candidates are all fixed before the vote even starts.

[thyblackman.com image 225x225]

And is there a religious Supreme Leader for life who is the real power in the United States with our Presidents just as figure heads?


trueslant.com
If this guy barks, any Republican officeholder in the country would roll over and piss himself.
 
2013-06-16 06:43:40 PM  

Karac: Pin Fiften Clob: Rincewind53: Joe USer: whither_apophis: Iran just had free elections too

No, it didn't.

Oh? Prove it.

well considering that the Guardian Council can ban candidates they don't like, I wouldn't exactly  call it free.

Go try and get on a state-wide or federal ballot as a third party candidate.  Our Guardian Council's just larger and has more visible infighting.


Again though, that's the fault of American voters and their apathy. Not the fault of a Supreme Leader. Although, I'm sure there are some American religious fundamentalists who would love to have the Iranian system just replacing Islam with Christianity. I'm guessing the idea of them having a Pat Robertson type at the top who could pick only candidates who are slight variations the ideology of American Christian fundamentalism to run for President and other leadership positions would be a wet dream.
 
2013-06-16 06:44:02 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Serious Black: Iran is a lot more progressive on transgender rights than Wisconsin.

Citation that Wisconsin doesn't support transgender rights?  Or are you making things up again?
(Wisconsin allows a person born in the state who has completed sex-reassignment surgery to amend his or her birth certificate once documentation of the surgery and of a change of name is provided.)

You do know that it is illegal to be gay in Iraq and if you are caught, it isn't like getting a parking ticket?  Right?  Right???


For starters, Iran is not Iraq.

Iran is very progressive on transgender rights. As of 2008, Iran conducted more sex change operations than any other country on the planet save Thailand. Individuals seeking a sex change operation can get financial assistance from the government to cover up to half of the price of the surgery.
 
2013-06-16 06:46:49 PM  
jst3p
most of them voted for these assholes so I guess they get the government they deserve.

53% of the 58% of eligible voters who voted picked these assholes. Only about 23% of Wisconsinites voted for them.


DMMidwest
the Green Bay area, perhaps the state's most reliably conservative region.

Close. The Milwaukee suburbs.
 
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