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(Fox News)   Listening to Americans phone calls has now stopped dozens of terror attacks in 20 different countries   (foxnews.com) divider line 49
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2013-06-16 11:22:59 AM
They can't tell us anything about them, because they're classified, but we should totally trust them on this.
 
2013-06-16 11:24:53 AM
Suuure they did

/just trust us
 
2013-06-16 11:37:42 AM
I don't really care what they stopped. It's a violation of the Fourth Amendment and I would like them to at least defend the law at SCOTUS or scrap the whole f*cking thing.
 
2013-06-16 12:37:08 PM

NewportBarGuy: I don't really care what they stopped. It's a violation of the Fourth Amendment and I would like them to at least defend the law at SCOTUS or scrap the whole f*cking thing.


Exactly. I don't expect, nor have I asked, to be "protected" in such a manner. It goes against the very values they say they are protecting.
 
2013-06-16 02:47:52 PM
Amazing how only gathering metadata captures specific information on active plots.
 
2013-06-16 04:39:18 PM
That seemed to be a relatively neutral article. I've been wondering how the upper-ups at Fox News are dealing with the whole spying conundrum: do they go full-court anti-0bummer or do they keep their mouths shut because of Bush and because they'd love for a Republican president to have this power?
 
2013-06-16 04:40:00 PM
Seems legit...
 
2013-06-16 04:41:32 PM
These so-called plots were probably attacks on our military...you know...war and shiat.
 
2013-06-16 04:52:06 PM
Arresting the guy that said "This flight to Europe is going to be the bomb!" doesn't count as stopping a terror attack.
 
2013-06-16 04:53:24 PM
20 huh? That's a nice round number, seems legit.
 
2013-06-16 04:53:48 PM
They were all attacks in Yemen and Pakistan, and were basically local political disputes.

But now that we have NSA EnemyAlert™  we can offer your local despot, warlord, or "elected" regime a stunning array of opposition tracking services. Choose from our Bronze package (pick up to three enemies), Silver (includes all internet traffic for up to ten major political groups), or the Platinum which comes with two free drone attacks a year.
 
2013-06-16 04:56:27 PM
yet none of this information stopped George W. Bush attacking two countries on other side of the world in his terrorist act.

/Remember to feed your industrial military complex on a monthly basis or they will arm the local police to assault, murder, rape and kill the peasants who protest Rightwing shiatbags who get engorged when they hear about the chance to bomb brown desert people.
/Jan Brewer , Old racist sheriff, are not brown enough.
 
2013-06-16 04:57:48 PM
We keep them safe over there so we don't have to keep them safe over here.
 
2013-06-16 05:01:11 PM

theorellior: That seemed to be a relatively neutral article.


It's just an AP story that happens to be on the Fox News website.  Hannity or O'Reilly would never let the fact that they fellated Bush 6 years ago for doing the exact same thing get in the way of their outrage.
 
2013-06-16 05:01:38 PM
Break out of PRISM.


http://prism-break.org/     (SFW)
 
2013-06-16 05:02:37 PM

sheep snorter: yet none of this information stopped George W. Bush attacking two countries on other side of the world in his terrorist act.


So? Didn't stop Obama from not stopping Bush from attacking two countries on the other side of the world either, but I guess it's ok when your side does it.
 
2013-06-16 05:04:45 PM
I don't believe it. All they do is lie.
 
2013-06-16 05:07:42 PM
Ah, the other shoe drops at last.

The government is scrambling to make it's best case for wiretapping by declassifying documents that claim that the broad powers have disrupted "dozens of potential terrorist pots here in the homeland and in more than 20 countries around the world".

Wait, what? Terrorist pots? Nice proofreading there, FOX.

Possibly true and if so good on them.

just 300 phone numbers last year

*blink*

Yeah... not buying that number for a second.
 
2013-06-16 05:12:23 PM

NewportBarGuy: I don't really care what they stopped. It's a violation of the Fourth Amendment and I would like them to at least defend the law at SCOTUS or scrap the whole f*cking thing.


This.
 
2013-06-16 05:16:12 PM

quatchi: Ah, the other shoe drops at last.

The government is scrambling to make it's best case for wiretapping by declassifying documents that claim that the broad powers have disrupted "dozens of potential terrorist pots here in the homeland and in more than 20 countries around the world".

Wait, what? Terrorist pots? Nice proofreading there, FOX.

Possibly true and if so good on them.

just 300 phone numbers last year

*blink*

Yeah... not buying that number for a second.


Diagram of a terrorist pot:
www.nypost.com
 
2013-06-16 05:23:01 PM

Karac: quatchi: Ah, the other shoe drops at last.

The government is scrambling to make it's best case for wiretapping by declassifying documents that claim that the broad powers have disrupted "dozens of potential terrorist pots here in the homeland and in more than 20 countries around the world".

Wait, what? Terrorist pots? Nice proofreading there, FOX.

Possibly true and if so good on them.

just 300 phone numbers last year

*blink*

Yeah... not buying that number for a second.

Diagram of a terrorist pot:
[www.nypost.com image 525x375]


Why aren't terrorist kettles getting an equal amount of coverage, FoxNews!? WHY?
 
2013-06-16 05:23:02 PM

Karac: Diagram of a terrorist pot:


Well played. ^_^
 
2013-06-16 05:38:55 PM
The ends always justify the means, after all.
 
2013-06-16 05:41:21 PM

theorellior: That seemed to be a relatively neutral article. I've been wondering how the upper-ups at Fox News are dealing with the whole spying conundrum: do they

go full-court anti-0bummer or do they keep their mouths shut because of Bush and because they'd love for a Republican president to have this power?

I have bolded the answer to your question. It is, after all, their Prime Directive.
 
2013-06-16 05:42:19 PM
The NSA has become a hammer that keeps looking for nails to hit, thing is every time it goes "We hit a nail!" when someone asks for verification they go "We can't show you, that's classified! Just trust us!".
 
2013-06-16 05:42:51 PM
Terrorism?

You want terrorism?

More than two dozen people were shot Saturday afternoon into Father's Day Sunday across Chicago, according to authorities. Of the 26 people shot, six died either at the crime scenes or at local hospitals. The youngest was 16.

This goes on every weekend in Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, Baltimore, Atlanta.... The MSM makes a big deal out of the Boston Marathon, and hides these equal bloodbaths from us.

What are US soldiers doing halfway around the world?
 
2013-06-16 05:56:10 PM

Vectron: Terrorism?

You want terrorism?

More than two dozen people were shot Saturday afternoon into Father's Day Sunday across Chicago, according to authorities. Of the 26 people shot, six died either at the crime scenes or at local hospitals. The youngest was 16.

This goes on every weekend in Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, Baltimore, Atlanta.... The MSM makes a big deal out of the Boston Marathon, and hides these equal bloodbaths from us.

What are US soldiers doing halfway around the world?


We would have to fix the country's social values before we can fix that. People see violence over in those places as 'typical' and associate it with African Americans and/or poor people. Because they see it as 'typical', they don't bother to do anything.
 
2013-06-16 05:57:38 PM
Not only that, but it has retroactively stopped every terror attack ever. Trust me.

/None of this ever happened,,,,
 
2013-06-16 06:00:55 PM

NewportBarGuy: I don't really care what they stopped. It's a violation of the Fourth Amendment and I would like them to at least defend the law at SCOTUS or scrap the whole f*cking thing.


Yes, but is the SECOND Amendment okay?!?!
 
2013-06-16 06:14:00 PM
"I will accept negative news with no evidence, but I will not believe anything positive at all." - Farkers
 
2013-06-16 06:30:29 PM

FlippityFlap: Not only that, but it has retroactively stopped every terror attack ever. Trust me.

/None of this ever happened,,,,


suckerpunchcinema.com
 
2013-06-16 06:34:44 PM

Marcus Aurelius: They can't tell us anything about them, because they're classified, but we should totally trust them on this.


It's all very convenient, isn't it?
 
2013-06-16 07:12:21 PM
Fox News must be so conflicted right now over this NSA spying stuff. They loathe Obama yet love the idea of an authoritarian state.
 
2013-06-16 07:14:56 PM
 
2013-06-16 07:22:33 PM

fusillade762: This is a good read on the subject.

PRISM Isn't Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. "Scandal"


It's a good read, but he says this:  "no one is listening to our phone calls or reading our e-mails "

And this article pretty flatly directly contradicts what amounts to his prime assertion, making his whole viewpoint suspect at best..
 
2013-06-16 07:24:11 PM
I don't know what to believe anymore. The FBI has had the ability to tap phones since forever. Now an NSA analyst can do it with just a click of a mouse. Both agencies would need a warrant first, though. That hasn't changed. Not only that, the NSA is quite explicitly prohibited from domestic surveillance (that's the FBI's turf). We need to find out what's really going on here, and if laws are being broken then we might have an actual scandal for this administration.
 
2013-06-16 07:31:04 PM

fusillade762: This is a good read on the subject.

PRISM Isn't Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. "Scandal"


Thank you for that link.
 
2013-06-16 08:15:22 PM

midigod: fusillade762: This is a good read on the subject.

PRISM Isn't Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. "Scandal"

It's a good read, but he says this:  "no one is listening to our phone calls or reading our e-mails "

And this article pretty flatly directly contradicts what amounts to his prime assertion, making his whole viewpoint suspect at best..


And then there's this article that contradicts that contradiction.

Jerrold Nadler Does Not Think the NSA Can Listen to U.S. Phone Calls

/yo dawg, I herd you like contradictions...
 
2013-06-16 08:17:15 PM
Prove it.
 
2013-06-16 08:36:43 PM

fusillade762: This is a good read on the subject.

PRISM Isn't Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. "Scandal"


Good read, indeed.

I love the way he goes out of his way to not name names throughout the piece because "the last thing I want is for this to become a back-and-forth between reporters." and then ends with...

And for all those hypocrites who first wail that the Boston bombing wasn't stopped, and now wail about a working program that has successfully impeded real terror attacks, I have this to say: shut up, Mr. Hannity.

In Kurt's defense Hannity is by no stretch of anyone's imagination a "reporter".
 
2013-06-16 09:13:13 PM

Hetfield: sheep snorter: yet none of this information stopped George W. Bush attacking two countries on other side of the world in his terrorist act.

So? Didn't stop Obama from not stopping Bush from attacking two countries on the other side of the world either, but I guess it's ok when your side does it.


0_o Waitwut? Was the junior senator from Illinois supposed to put Dubya in a headlock until he said uncle and promised not to invade countries based on fabricated evidence?

Also, WTF with the conservavictim 'when your side does it' mantra? The only people saying any of this is OK are the serial boot lickers from any political persuasion. It's a pathetic refrain that smacks of all the intellectual heft of screaming "I know you are but what am I?" instead of dealing with the issue.
 
2013-06-16 10:00:32 PM
Dick Cheney wants you all to STFU and get over it. So does Feinstein. and Pelosi.

/now GBTW citizen, the N-S-A needs your tax dollars!
 
2013-06-16 10:02:50 PM
Gee, now why do I seem skeptical of the government's claims all of a sudden? I mean, it's not like they've been hiding anything from us -- oh wait.
 
2013-06-16 11:07:04 PM
Let's go big with this - let's just entirely drop this freedom thing 100%. Strike down the entire Bill of Rights, tear up the constitution.  Put in an American Stalin, and let him keep power indefinitely. Let's get the CIA/NSA/DIA etc. to employ, hmm, 10% of the population. Each agent can spend their entire time monitoring everything 9 other citizens do. It'd be a great jobs program!

Bet we'd have almost no crime at all, right?

Like it or not, if you have freedom, you get crime, terrorism, obscenity, vulgarity, blasphemy and just plain ugliness as a side effect. Maybe it'd be better to put the money into education, arts, public works - stuff that might help humans evolve just a bit more, and fight crime that way.
 
2013-06-16 11:31:56 PM

fusillade762: Jerrold Nadler Does Not Think the NSA Can Listen to U.S. Phone Calls


Jerry Nadler should be taken out and drown like a puppy.  A fat, brain-dead puppy.
 
2013-06-17 12:36:24 AM

Marcus Aurelius: They can't tell us anything about them, because they're classified, but we should totally trust them on this.


Didn't they miss one in Boston recently?
 
2013-06-17 01:54:18 AM

kg2095: Marcus Aurelius: They can't tell us anything about them, because they're classified, but we should totally trust them on this.

Didn't they miss one in Boston recently?


Shhh, doesn't fit the narrative. Just like Bush kept us safe (ignore the anthrax attacks, DC sniper, and embassy attacks), the NSA hooverphonic freedomaloosa prevented 6,000 attacks in 19,300 countries.
 
2013-06-17 01:59:10 AM
And of course this begs the question, why did you feel the need to report this "scandal" by way of a shiatty dishonest amoral venue like Fox? If this shiat is even true?

Some reason you couldn't have reported the information using reliable media channels?

It just makes you look like you're trolling and not expressing any actual political view.
 
2013-06-17 05:50:20 AM

midigod: fusillade762: This is a good read on the subject.

PRISM Isn't Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. "Scandal"

It's a good read, but he says this:  "no one is listening to our phone calls or reading our e-mails "

And this article pretty flatly directly contradicts what amounts to his prime assertion, making his whole viewpoint suspect at best..


I love how your own article contradict your statement.
 
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