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(The Gateway Pundit)   Not enough big government in your life? Then good news for you because AT&T is going to install a government messaging system on your iPhone that you won't be able to turn off. Now move along, citizen   (thegatewaypundit.com) divider line 44
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2013-06-16 12:06:50 PM
7 votes:
First off, AT&T is just now doing what the other major cell providers have been doing for awhile.

Secondly, the alerts are broadcast to all phones connected to a particular cell site. So if there is a severe weather alert or AMBER alert in the area, everyone in the area will get the alert.

You can turn off all of the alerts, except the "Presidential Alerts". In the entire history of the Emergency Alert System, the President has not done a national alert. If you get a Presidental alert on your phone, you'll also get it on every radio and TV station, including satellite. If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-06-16 11:43:21 AM
7 votes:
Not clicking to see what the Goatlaying Dimwit has on his idiotic blog. Get us a legitimate link, Subby.
2013-06-16 11:59:26 AM
5 votes:
Subdumbassmitter: "... that you won't be able to turn off."

Picture in TFA: On-off switches.
2013-06-16 12:00:02 PM
4 votes:

jbc: Not clicking to see what the Goatlaying Dimwit has on his idiotic blog. Get us a legitimate link, Subby.


It's weird. Subby, the headline and the first couple sentences of the blog seem to indicate that you can't shut these off.

But then there's a picture which indicates that you can, in fact, shut those alerts off.

And then they cite a passage from an Engadget article that also says they can be shut off.

Weird. And delusional.
2013-06-16 03:42:43 PM
3 votes:
Remember, kids, every single thing the government does comes directly from the desk of Obama. Amber alerts? Obama. IRS audit? Personally commanded by Obama. Long lines at the DMV? Orders from Obama. Speeding ticket? That one also comes courtesy of Obama.

Kenyan socialist atheist muslims don't believe in division of labor.
2013-06-16 11:37:40 AM
3 votes:
[citation needed]
2013-06-16 06:54:50 PM
2 votes:
Would that be the SAFE Act, passed in 2006 by a Republican Congress with a Republican President in the WH?

http://www.lightreading.com/congress-passes-warning-alert-and-respon se -network-act-warn-act-as-part-of-larger-port-security-bill/240064047

Why yes, yes it would!
2013-06-16 05:10:26 PM
2 votes:

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.


No, it really, really isn't.

I'm not missing any point.  The point is that the EAS system, including Presidential Alerts, exists to allow the government, at both state and Federal levels, to issue emergency messages in extreme conditions, as has been pointed out one was issued for Colorado Springs just 3 days ago during their wildfires.  However, a Presidential Alert has NEVER been used, it wasn't even used during 9/11 (they considered it, but decided against it).  That level of alert is basically for World War III events like "We're being invaded" or "Nuclear war has just begun".

This is AT&T making their phones receive these messages as they are sent, if they are ever sent.  It's presumably not a Federal mandate, or we'd be hearing about other iPhone providers like Verizon and Sprint doing the same thing, not to mention Android phones, Windows phones, and Blackberries (or maybe including plain old dumbphones).

How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in the 50 years they've been out there since the creation of the EBS in 1963) is any worse than the FCC requiring AM/FM radios and TVs to be able to receive all these messages?
2013-06-16 05:04:38 PM
2 votes:

Mad_Radhu: At least you can turn off Amber Alerts for the phone. My TiVo stops whatever I am watching and shows me an Atari 2600 quality graphic with a deeply distorted, staticy voice from the ether intoning the details whenever someone in the Seattle metro has a custody dispute make a turn for the worst (which seems like the majority of the alerts).


Yep. Because it's everyone's problem when DeWayne steals his babby from La Donna and heads for Wenatchee.
2013-06-16 03:16:05 PM
2 votes:
So now sending out messages is the same thing as watching your every move? Technology, how does it farking work?
2013-06-16 01:41:35 PM
2 votes:
I voluntarily signed up for @PublicAlerts which sends me info for Portland, OR. I have twitter send me their tweets as texts so I see the alert right away.

Our household doesn't listen to AM or FM radio, our tv isn't hooked up to anything other than netflix streaming/dvd player, and we don't have a land line.  So if there's an emergency we wouldn't know otherwise.
2013-06-16 12:55:41 PM
2 votes:

Buzzerguy: Author is Jim Hoft, better known as The Stupidest Man on the Internet.

/This gets the green light? Really?


Wow. You're not kidding in the least.
2013-06-16 12:54:02 PM
2 votes:
Author is Jim Hoft, better known as The Stupidest Man on the Internet.

/This gets the green light? Really?
2013-06-16 12:18:20 PM
2 votes:
There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.
2013-06-17 12:10:30 PM
1 votes:

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.

No, it really, really isn't.

I'm not missing any point.  The point is that the EAS system, including Presidential Alerts, exists to allow the government, at both state and Federal levels, to issue emergency messages in extreme conditions, as has been pointed out one was issued for Colorado Springs just 3 days ago during their wildfires.  However, a Presidential Alert has NEVER been used, it wasn't even used during 9/11 (they considered it, but decided against it).  That level of alert is basically for World War III events like "We're being invaded" or "Nuclear war has just begun".

This is AT&T making their phones receive these messages as they are sent, if they are ever sent.  It's presumably not a Federal mandate, or we'd be hearing about other iPhone providers like Verizon and Sprint doing the same thing, not to mention Android phones, Windows phones, and Blackberries (or maybe including plain old dumbphones).

How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in th ...


Hey Dumbfark... AT&T is just the LAST ONE to do this.   it's getting press because fo the large installed iphone user base.  Get a grip
2013-06-16 09:58:06 PM
1 votes:

SirHolo: It's on my iPhone 4, too.

No notice.  Just found it there after reading about it.

I had thought I owned the device.


Yes, how odd this wasn't known to us a year ago.

I'm not sure how this means you don't own your phone.
2013-06-16 07:16:39 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, that's very believable web site there, tea bagging subtard.
2013-06-16 06:27:34 PM
1 votes:
The ability to turn on your phone remotely and listen to what you are doing has been around for years (a decade now?). Try to keep up.
2013-06-16 06:22:11 PM
1 votes:
Doing emergency alerts(mostly weather related) over cell phones has been in the works for a while now. They are already implemented in a lot of places.


You farking nutcakes should go out and buy another gun so you can feel safe. Maybe walk around and scare some people so you can feel good about yourself.
2013-06-16 06:13:42 PM
1 votes:
I clicked and made it through the headline. That is some Grade A Wack-A-Doodle there, boy.
2013-06-16 06:03:28 PM
1 votes:

dustman81: First off, AT&T is just now doing what the other major cell providers have been doing for awhile.

Secondly, the alerts are broadcast to all phones connected to a particular cell site. So if there is a severe weather alert or AMBER alert in the area, everyone in the area will get the alert.

You can turn off all of the alerts, except the "Presidential Alerts". In the entire history of the Emergency Alert System, the President has not done a national alert. If you get a Presidental alert on your phone, you'll also get it on every radio and TV station, including satellite. If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.


So this is just a case of Obama-bashing.  I'm not surprised.
2013-06-16 05:20:16 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in the 50 years they've been out there since the creation of the EBS in 1963) is any worse than the FCC requiring AM/FM radios and TVs to be able to receive all these messages?


Because Obama
2013-06-16 05:18:58 PM
1 votes:
Yanno... if you distrust the government, want less intrusion/more liberty and would like to see fiscal responsibility I can totally respect that and even agree. As soon as you mention that is why you support Republicans or the current "conservative" set of ideals is when I know you are either a liar with an agenda or an idiot.

You aren't fooling anyone who isn't already marching in lockstep with your derp already.
2013-06-16 05:01:08 PM
1 votes:

Speaker2Animals: WTF is a "presidential alert?"


Here's a tl;dr PDF if you're really curious. Dated April 9, 2008 and describing the FCC's implementation of the Commercial Mobile Alert System in response to the 2006 Warning, Alert, and Response Network act. Basically a "presidential alert" appears to be any sort of "shiat just got real" message that the president chooses to send out.

/bolded to point out that this system is yet another example of Obama's reckless use of his magical time machine
2013-06-16 04:58:47 PM
1 votes:

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.


No, it's literally the same thing.
2013-06-16 04:44:35 PM
1 votes:

Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.


Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?
2013-06-16 04:44:27 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: How dare the government tell me if I'm under a tornado warning!!!


I would support a law requiring every radio sold in the US to have NWS alert reception capability. I think its disgusting that we don't even do that.
2013-06-16 04:33:55 PM
1 votes:
Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.
2013-06-16 04:31:42 PM
1 votes:

whistleridge: [citation needed]


http://blogs.att.net/consumerblog/story/a7790136

Straight from the source. You have the option of turning off all of the emergency notifications except the Presidential alerts.
2013-06-16 04:01:57 PM
1 votes:

Gleeman: I've always wondered why car radios are largely unable to access the Weather bands. There's been plenty of times I've see nasty looking clouds ahead and would like to have had more information to decide whether to continue or pull over.

/yeah I know there are smart phones now
//but no phone use and driving!! :)


The newer truck radios, I know, have them in it.
2013-06-16 03:54:51 PM
1 votes:
This is not the Change we Hoped for.
2013-06-16 03:50:31 PM
1 votes:

MightyPez: Hickory-smoked: Ivo Shandor: Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.

What exactly is a "presidential alert?"

Likely "We have been invaded" or something like that


Considering that no Presidential Emergency Action Notifications have ever been issued in the 50 year history of the EBS/EAS, if one is issued, I'd take it as a warning to put my head between my legs and kiss my ass goodbye.
2013-06-16 03:44:16 PM
1 votes:
You just linked to post by The Stupidest Man On The Internet, subby. Guess what that makes you.
2013-06-16 03:43:18 PM
1 votes:
Big govt, a libtards wet dream.
2013-06-16 03:42:06 PM
1 votes:
C'mon, its ATT. Does anyone really expect messages on their network to be delivered?
2013-06-16 03:37:45 PM
1 votes:
I would imagine that the Tea Party and other patriots are happy the Obama won the election now. Can you imagine the shiat storm had the GOP been in power with all this shiat coming out?
2013-06-16 03:36:43 PM
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes:  derb.


Is that the next evolution of derp?
2013-06-16 03:35:53 PM
1 votes:
Wow. Those comments were a depressing read. My favorite, however was a person saying AT&T is going to lose so much business over this which became an allegory about how Carbonite is dying after they removed their Rush Limbaugh spots.
2013-06-16 03:33:35 PM
1 votes:
I've received just one Amber Alert in the time since I got my new phone.

I flew into a rage at the violation of my privacy and deliberately didnt keep an eye out for a navy blue Ford Escort.
2013-06-16 01:35:51 PM
1 votes:
Personally, I wish there were more ways to get Emergency Alert Notices out to people other than the rare weather radio which everyone should own but few do.

You might save more than a few lives each year, especially in areas where severe weather and tornados are common.
2013-06-16 12:24:13 PM
1 votes:
Holy shiat, this article is derpy - something tells me this website gets all of it's traffic from paranoid tin-foil connoisseurs.
2013-06-16 12:20:26 PM
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.


its interesting to see the GOP flip their lids over what is nothing more than a safety/disaster alert system.
2013-06-16 12:09:32 PM
1 votes:
I have Verizon, I get those alerts every time bad weather comes through.

/the scariest one was the Hurricane Sandy alert
2013-06-16 12:08:47 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?

I didn't know about the "presidential alerts" category though. How long before we get one of those about the "national emergency" of some abortion or gun control related legislation that we urgently need to write our congressmen about?


probably never.  although I do share your fears that a GOP president will learn to abuse the system for petty personal and/or political gain.
 
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