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(The Gateway Pundit)   Not enough big government in your life? Then good news for you because AT&T is going to install a government messaging system on your iPhone that you won't be able to turn off. Now move along, citizen   (thegatewaypundit.com) divider line 157
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2013-06-16 11:35:59 AM
Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?

I didn't know about the "presidential alerts" category though. How long before we get one of those about the "national emergency" of some abortion or gun control related legislation that we urgently need to write our congressmen about?
 
2013-06-16 11:37:40 AM
[citation needed]
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-06-16 11:43:21 AM
Not clicking to see what the Goatlaying Dimwit has on his idiotic blog. Get us a legitimate link, Subby.
 
2013-06-16 11:59:26 AM
Subdumbassmitter: "... that you won't be able to turn off."

Picture in TFA: On-off switches.
 
2013-06-16 12:00:02 PM

jbc: Not clicking to see what the Goatlaying Dimwit has on his idiotic blog. Get us a legitimate link, Subby.


It's weird. Subby, the headline and the first couple sentences of the blog seem to indicate that you can't shut these off.

But then there's a picture which indicates that you can, in fact, shut those alerts off.

And then they cite a passage from an Engadget article that also says they can be shut off.

Weird. And delusional.
 
2013-06-16 12:06:50 PM
First off, AT&T is just now doing what the other major cell providers have been doing for awhile.

Secondly, the alerts are broadcast to all phones connected to a particular cell site. So if there is a severe weather alert or AMBER alert in the area, everyone in the area will get the alert.

You can turn off all of the alerts, except the "Presidential Alerts". In the entire history of the Emergency Alert System, the President has not done a national alert. If you get a Presidental alert on your phone, you'll also get it on every radio and TV station, including satellite. If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.
 
2013-06-16 12:08:47 PM

serial_crusher: Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?

I didn't know about the "presidential alerts" category though. How long before we get one of those about the "national emergency" of some abortion or gun control related legislation that we urgently need to write our congressmen about?


probably never.  although I do share your fears that a GOP president will learn to abuse the system for petty personal and/or political gain.
 
2013-06-16 12:09:32 PM
I have Verizon, I get those alerts every time bad weather comes through.

/the scariest one was the Hurricane Sandy alert
 
2013-06-16 12:18:20 PM
There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.
 
2013-06-16 12:20:26 PM

Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.


its interesting to see the GOP flip their lids over what is nothing more than a safety/disaster alert system.
 
2013-06-16 12:24:13 PM
Holy shiat, this article is derpy - something tells me this website gets all of it's traffic from paranoid tin-foil connoisseurs.
 
2013-06-16 12:41:04 PM
Doesn't bother me. I don't own an iPhone... or ANY other kind of cellphone! They'll just have to tap my landline!
 
2013-06-16 12:46:48 PM
Meh?  So you might get 'we're screwed' messages in a timely fashion if it ever really hits the fan.  BFD.


hay guys u might wan2 go home n kiss ur kids gbye shiat just got real.  ill b in plane circling arctic lol good luck! :P -Prez
 
2013-06-16 12:54:02 PM
Author is Jim Hoft, better known as The Stupidest Man on the Internet.

/This gets the green light? Really?
 
2013-06-16 12:55:41 PM

Buzzerguy: Author is Jim Hoft, better known as The Stupidest Man on the Internet.

/This gets the green light? Really?


Wow. You're not kidding in the least.
 
2013-06-16 01:01:16 PM

hardinparamedic: Holy shiat, this article is derpy - something tells me this website gets all of it's traffic from paranoid tin-foil connoisseurs.


badattitudes.com
 
2013-06-16 01:33:17 PM

dustman81: First off, AT&T is just now doing what the other major cell providers have been doing for awhile.


I'm looking at my Sprint iPhone and seeing the very same "Government Alerts" menu pictured in the screen shot. Didn't know it was there, but I'm fine with getting Amber Alerts and such. As long as the president doesn't bombard me with "poop is coming out" alerts, what the heck.
 
2013-06-16 01:35:51 PM
Personally, I wish there were more ways to get Emergency Alert Notices out to people other than the rare weather radio which everyone should own but few do.

You might save more than a few lives each year, especially in areas where severe weather and tornados are common.
 
2013-06-16 01:41:35 PM
I voluntarily signed up for @PublicAlerts which sends me info for Portland, OR. I have twitter send me their tweets as texts so I see the alert right away.

Our household doesn't listen to AM or FM radio, our tv isn't hooked up to anything other than netflix streaming/dvd player, and we don't have a land line.  So if there's an emergency we wouldn't know otherwise.
 
2013-06-16 01:52:44 PM
How do they get from an alert system that sends out broadcast messages to "So now Barack can track your calls"?

Isn't that what the NSA have been doing, with or without this emergency broadcast app?
 
2013-06-16 02:00:30 PM

Flint Ironstag: How do they get from an alert system that sends out broadcast messages to "So now Barack can track your calls"?

Isn't that what the NSA have been doing, with or without this emergency broadcast app?


But you're forgetting the important thing: it's OK for the NSA to track our calls if the president isn't blah.

/this is what the right wing actually believes
 
2013-06-16 02:29:25 PM
I trust my cell phone provider as much as I trust the government.
 
2013-06-16 02:56:16 PM

dustman81: If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.


Why didn't we get one in November, 2008? ;-)
 
2013-06-16 03:16:05 PM
So now sending out messages is the same thing as watching your every move? Technology, how does it farking work?
 
2013-06-16 03:31:18 PM
Next it'll be on our farking TVs and radios.
 
2013-06-16 03:33:35 PM
I've received just one Amber Alert in the time since I got my new phone.

I flew into a rage at the violation of my privacy and deliberately didnt keep an eye out for a navy blue Ford Escort.
 
2013-06-16 03:34:16 PM
I get "stolen kid" notices with Verizon, but that's all I've gotten so far. Stuff like that seems like a good idea to me. But I'm not over the top crazy about privacy.
 
2013-06-16 03:34:54 PM
lol stupid guy
 
2013-06-16 03:35:18 PM

Speaker2Animals: Subdumbassmitter: "... that you won't be able to turn off."

Picture in TFA: On-off switches.


Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.
 
2013-06-16 03:35:53 PM
Wow. Those comments were a depressing read. My favorite, however was a person saying AT&T is going to lose so much business over this which became an allegory about how Carbonite is dying after they removed their Rush Limbaugh spots.
 
2013-06-16 03:36:00 PM
taildom.com
 
2013-06-16 03:36:43 PM

Bathia_Mapes:  derb.


Is that the next evolution of derp?
 
2013-06-16 03:37:45 PM
I would imagine that the Tea Party and other patriots are happy the Obama won the election now. Can you imagine the shiat storm had the GOP been in power with all this shiat coming out?
 
2013-06-16 03:37:55 PM

Ivo Shandor: Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.


What exactly is a "presidential alert?"
 
2013-06-16 03:38:51 PM
Provided that there are clear limits on its use, including that it not be used for political purposes or propaganda, and that this program can only receive,

fireden.net
 
2013-06-16 03:39:37 PM
BUT.. BUT.. 9-11! KEEP US SAFE!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD..KEEP US SAFE!
 
2013-06-16 03:42:06 PM
C'mon, its ATT. Does anyone really expect messages on their network to be delivered?
 
2013-06-16 03:42:14 PM

Hickory-smoked: Ivo Shandor: Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.

What exactly is a "presidential alert?"


Likely "We have been invaded" or something like that
 
2013-06-16 03:42:43 PM
Remember, kids, every single thing the government does comes directly from the desk of Obama. Amber alerts? Obama. IRS audit? Personally commanded by Obama. Long lines at the DMV? Orders from Obama. Speeding ticket? That one also comes courtesy of Obama.

Kenyan socialist atheist muslims don't believe in division of labor.
 
2013-06-16 03:43:18 PM
Big govt, a libtards wet dream.
 
2013-06-16 03:43:28 PM
At least you can turn off Amber Alerts for the phone. My TiVo stops whatever I am watching and shows me an Atari 2600 quality graphic with a deeply distorted, staticy voice from the ether intoning the details whenever someone in the Seattle metro has a custody dispute make a turn for the worst (which seems like the majority of the alerts).
 
2013-06-16 03:44:10 PM

I_C_Weener: I trust my cell phone provider as much as I trust the government.


Yeah. this. Cell phone companies are proof that private businesses can have just as much incompetent bureaucracy as any government.
 
2013-06-16 03:44:16 PM
You just linked to post by The Stupidest Man On The Internet, subby. Guess what that makes you.
 
2013-06-16 03:44:31 PM

hardinparamedic: Personally, I wish there were more ways to get Emergency Alert Notices out to people other than the rare weather radio which everyone should own but few do.

You might save more than a few lives each year, especially in areas where severe weather and tornados are common.


I've always wondered why car radios are largely unable to access the Weather bands. There's been plenty of times I've see nasty looking clouds ahead and would like to have had more information to decide whether to continue or pull over.

/yeah I know there are smart phones now
//but no phone use and driving!! :)
 
GBB
2013-06-16 03:45:43 PM

Hickory-smoked: Ivo Shandor: Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.

What exactly is a "presidential alert?"


Something around Defcon 2, definitely Defcon 1
 
2013-06-16 03:45:51 PM
Plus, at least a cell phone Amber Alert is kind of useful. I'm just not going to ever see that vehicle if I'm at home watching television.
 
2013-06-16 03:49:14 PM
FLOARHUMPAR GRADE 3 ALERT
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2013-06-16 03:50:12 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Next it'll be on our farking TVs and radios.


that's where i draw the line, gubermint listning in on my radio
 
2013-06-16 03:50:27 PM

albert71292: Doesn't bother me. I don't own an iPhone... or ANY other kind of cellphone! They'll just have to tap my landline!


Thats so 1980s
 
2013-06-16 03:50:31 PM

MightyPez: Hickory-smoked: Ivo Shandor: Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.

What exactly is a "presidential alert?"

Likely "We have been invaded" or something like that


Considering that no Presidential Emergency Action Notifications have ever been issued in the 50 year history of the EBS/EAS, if one is issued, I'd take it as a warning to put my head between my legs and kiss my ass goodbye.
 
2013-06-16 03:51:50 PM
Back to hardwired rotary dial telephones, you paranoid gits. Please leave a message. *beep*
 
2013-06-16 03:53:37 PM
Only as long as it has an "everything's OK" siren

/obscure, or already in thread 9 times?
 
2013-06-16 03:54:29 PM
THE DUMB! TURN IT OFF! FOR THE LOVE OF SCROD TURN IT OFF!!!!
 
2013-06-16 03:54:51 PM
This is not the Change we Hoped for.
 
2013-06-16 03:55:19 PM
Can't turn them off or remove the app?

Really?

Redsn0w,  JailbreakMe, Absinthe, evasi0n, and Seas0nPass laugh at this derp.

Personally, if it is just an extension of the Emergency Alert System, I'd LOVE to have that app.  Seriously.  I travel often in my job and having an app that would alert me to approaching bad weather I might not otherwise be aware of to the "Oh Shiat" alert ("Meteors becoming crashed into us" or "Definitely going to blow ourselves up" kind of thing) would be a welcomed app.
 
2013-06-16 03:56:09 PM

Hickory-smoked: Ivo Shandor: Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.

What exactly is a "presidential alert?"


According to the FCC and the 2006 WARN act, it's an alert issued by the President regarding a critical emergency situation.
 
2013-06-16 03:57:35 PM

Gleeman: hardinparamedic: Personally, I wish there were more ways to get Emergency Alert Notices out to people other than the rare weather radio which everyone should own but few do.

You might save more than a few lives each year, especially in areas where severe weather and tornados are common.

I've always wondered why car radios are largely unable to access the Weather bands. There's been plenty of times I've see nasty looking clouds ahead and would like to have had more information to decide whether to continue or pull over.

/yeah I know there are smart phones now
//but no phone use and driving!! :)


My phone helpfully reads me the incoming texts over bluetooth, including the emergency alerts. Weather bands would be more useful to me than the AM/FM bands, though. They really need to overhaul car audio, though. I have all my music on a flash drive or my phone, so I have zero need for a CD player or radio. I'd love to see a decently priced head unit with an emphasis on digital media, with a non-sucky media player UI and plenty of plug ins.
 
2013-06-16 03:58:53 PM
So they will be able to read all my messages about what a super swell job the government is doing?
 
2013-06-16 04:01:57 PM

Gleeman: I've always wondered why car radios are largely unable to access the Weather bands. There's been plenty of times I've see nasty looking clouds ahead and would like to have had more information to decide whether to continue or pull over.

/yeah I know there are smart phones now
//but no phone use and driving!! :)


The newer truck radios, I know, have them in it.
 
2013-06-16 04:03:10 PM

Bschott007: Can't turn them off or remove the app?

Really?

Redsn0w,  JailbreakMe, Absinthe, evasi0n, and Seas0nPass laugh at this derp.

Personally, if it is just an extension of the Emergency Alert System, I'd LOVE to have that app.  Seriously.  I travel often in my job and having an app that would alert me to approaching bad weather I might not otherwise be aware of to the "Oh Shiat" alert ("Meteors becoming crashed into us" or "Definitely going to blow ourselves up" kind of thing) would be a welcomed app.


On my Windows Phone the emergency alerts are baked into the OS, so you probably can't remove it on iOS without replacing the whole messaging subsystem of iOS, which might be beyond what most jailbreaks can do.
 
2013-06-16 04:04:48 PM
So many of these intrusive and offensive oppressions can be ignored if people just decide to give up on the cell phone.  Likewise, if your electronic devices have been compromised, just give up on them, at least for a while, and make do without.

Imagine the utter joy of saying to yourself, I have gone a whole week without very much government and corporate spying on me as possible.  I had at least some privacy for a whole week.
 
2013-06-16 04:05:54 PM

Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.


Obama should issue a Presidential Alert because the author of TFA has become Derp, the Dumberer of Worlds.
 
2013-06-16 04:06:56 PM

serial_crusher: Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?

I didn't know about the "presidential alerts" category though. How long before we get one of those about the "national emergency" of some abortion or gun control related legislation that we urgently need to write our congressmen about?


Yes. They were beta testing last August-September, IIRC. Wednesday, precisely at noon, they tested it for 3 weeks. Sometime during the testing phase, we received a local alert for a severe thunderstorm. Haven't seen anything since.
 
2013-06-16 04:07:03 PM
This story would have gotten a lot more mileage if they didn't specifically mention Obama. That part was unnecessary and doesn't sound like it's really true. I do agree that not being able to disable this messaging system is stupid, but Republicans need to learn how their reporting on it will be received.
 
2013-06-16 04:08:42 PM
How dare the government tell me if I'm under a tornado warning!!!

/Seriously though, those alerts are awesome and very handy
//Also get them for AMBER alerts too
 
2013-06-16 04:10:22 PM

kombat_unit: Bathia_Mapes:  derb.

Is that the next evolution of derp?


Either that or I haven't had enough caffeine yet. :-D
 
2013-06-16 04:16:04 PM
Why do conservatives hate extremely urgent national security alerts?
 
2013-06-16 04:16:39 PM
Weaver95 * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-06-16 12:20:26 PM Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments. its interesting to see the GOP flip their lids over what is nothing more than a safety/disaster alert system.
======================================================

...Cause it's Obama.

Have you learned nothing since 2009? :)
 
2013-06-16 04:20:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the Change we Hoped for.


If you're sincerely suggesting that the White House is going to abuse the national alert system, I'd like to hear specifically how.

I think you're the only person in this thread who's taking TFA seriously, but then again you might just be shiatting us.
 
2013-06-16 04:24:10 PM
www.theblindcard.com

Safety First. Right?

 
2013-06-16 04:26:23 PM
I like it when tin foil subby articles get green light so I can point and laugh at them.

Haha.
 
2013-06-16 04:27:10 PM

Corn_Fed: Why do conservatives hate extremely urgent national security alerts?


Why do we need 'extremely urgent national security alerts'?

It's a big country.  Nothing ever happens that impacts the entire country in an urgent way at the same time.

Maybe what conservatives hate is too much unnecessary government.  In case you hadn't noticed, we're out of money.

Given that it's not been shown the NSA gets zero day exploits from software companies and also listens to phone calls of American citizens without warrants, and also the IRS has unlawfully gone after critics of democrats, it seems to be a good time to hold off on pretty much any government initiatives.  It's time to close a lot of departments and programs down, actually.  We're not getting our bang for the buck anyway.  The NSA has failed repeatedly anyway.

It's always amusing to see blind trust in government.  It also goes along with some stupid boogeyman, like 'hateful conservatives'.  That's why our country is too screwed up.
 
2013-06-16 04:29:38 PM

Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.

its interesting to see the GOP flip their lids over what is nothing more than a safety/disaster alert system.


It's funny to see people who during the reign of Bush the Lesser were very pro-government suddenly distrust anything from Washington, and use Obama's name as a synonym for government.

If Rmoney had won in November, would they still be upset, or would they look forward to information from their Lord and Master.
 
2013-06-16 04:31:42 PM

whistleridge: [citation needed]


http://blogs.att.net/consumerblog/story/a7790136

Straight from the source. You have the option of turning off all of the emergency notifications except the Presidential alerts.
 
2013-06-16 04:32:11 PM

Arcanum: Why do we need 'extremely urgent national security alerts'?

It's a big country. Nothing ever happens that impacts the entire country in an urgent way at the same time.

Maybe what conservatives hate is too much unnecessary government. In case you hadn't noticed, we're out of money.


How much do you think these alerts cost taxpayers?
 
2013-06-16 04:33:55 PM
Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.
 
2013-06-16 04:34:38 PM
 
2013-06-16 04:34:53 PM

dustman81: If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.

bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.

FTFE
 
2013-06-16 04:36:42 PM
"The missiles are flying.  Hallelujah, hallelujah."
 
2013-06-16 04:37:37 PM
I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?
 
2013-06-16 04:39:22 PM

Arcanum: Nothing ever happens that impacts the entire country in an urgent way at the same time.


It was considered during 9/11. And if you know your Cold War history, there were some close calls then too.
 
2013-06-16 04:42:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?


The Presidential EAS Alert is designed to let the White House speak to the entire country within just a few minutes. It would require an immediate crisis of epic proportions. But that is part of the job of government--to prepare for mass contingency situations. Just make sure you have enough TP around to clean the crap out of your pants if it happens.
 
2013-06-16 04:44:27 PM

Mrtraveler01: How dare the government tell me if I'm under a tornado warning!!!


I would support a law requiring every radio sold in the US to have NWS alert reception capability. I think its disgusting that we don't even do that.
 
2013-06-16 04:44:35 PM

Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.


Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?
 
2013-06-16 04:44:54 PM

Ivo Shandor: Speaker2Animals: Subdumbassmitter: "... that you won't be able to turn off."

Picture in TFA: On-off switches.

Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.


WTF is a "presidential alert?"
 
2013-06-16 04:48:06 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?



ALERT: Don't go to the Subway down the street. Got a bad stomachache from the pickles.
 
2013-06-16 04:49:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?


Psst - check the preceding post.
 
2013-06-16 04:51:53 PM

Speaker2Animals: WTF is a "presidential alert?"


This is a Presidential Alert, technically a national activation of the already existing and often locally used EAS.
 
2013-06-16 04:53:24 PM

Gentoolive: Big govt, a libtards wet dream.


i.imgur.com
The people in Colorado Springs definitely appreciated it regardless of their partisan politics.
 
2013-06-16 04:54:04 PM
Don't worry, we have plenty of guys living in their parents' basements who'll have a hack available in a matter of weeks, if not days.
 
2013-06-16 04:54:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?


"The Russians have launched.  You all have 30 minutes to live."
 
2013-06-16 04:55:32 PM

Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?


You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.
 
2013-06-16 04:58:47 PM

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.


No, it's literally the same thing.
 
2013-06-16 05:01:08 PM

Speaker2Animals: WTF is a "presidential alert?"


Here's a tl;dr PDF if you're really curious. Dated April 9, 2008 and describing the FCC's implementation of the Commercial Mobile Alert System in response to the 2006 Warning, Alert, and Response Network act. Basically a "presidential alert" appears to be any sort of "shiat just got real" message that the president chooses to send out.

/bolded to point out that this system is yet another example of Obama's reckless use of his magical time machine
 
2013-06-16 05:01:40 PM

Somacandra: Mrtraveler01: How dare the government tell me if I'm under a tornado warning!!!

I would support a law requiring every radio sold in the US to have NWS alert reception capability. I think its disgusting that we don't even do that.


I would support a law placing this submitter into a category of cellphone users who gets random alerts -- which they're unable to turn off -- 15-20 times an hour.
 
2013-06-16 05:02:39 PM
Confirmed, just got this on my AT&T 4S.  Had a strange message on Friday saying the phone had updated some essential software (over 4G no less, I hadn't been on wifi for several hours, who knows how much data that burned.)  I now have the Government Alerts switches in my Notification section.

No likey the mandatory install.  I'd rather opt in.

Besides, if Anchorage has The Big One I'm gonna know about it before my cell phone chimes in.
 
2013-06-16 05:04:38 PM

Mad_Radhu: At least you can turn off Amber Alerts for the phone. My TiVo stops whatever I am watching and shows me an Atari 2600 quality graphic with a deeply distorted, staticy voice from the ether intoning the details whenever someone in the Seattle metro has a custody dispute make a turn for the worst (which seems like the majority of the alerts).


Yep. Because it's everyone's problem when DeWayne steals his babby from La Donna and heads for Wenatchee.
 
2013-06-16 05:10:26 PM

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.


No, it really, really isn't.

I'm not missing any point.  The point is that the EAS system, including Presidential Alerts, exists to allow the government, at both state and Federal levels, to issue emergency messages in extreme conditions, as has been pointed out one was issued for Colorado Springs just 3 days ago during their wildfires.  However, a Presidential Alert has NEVER been used, it wasn't even used during 9/11 (they considered it, but decided against it).  That level of alert is basically for World War III events like "We're being invaded" or "Nuclear war has just begun".

This is AT&T making their phones receive these messages as they are sent, if they are ever sent.  It's presumably not a Federal mandate, or we'd be hearing about other iPhone providers like Verizon and Sprint doing the same thing, not to mention Android phones, Windows phones, and Blackberries (or maybe including plain old dumbphones).

How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in the 50 years they've been out there since the creation of the EBS in 1963) is any worse than the FCC requiring AM/FM radios and TVs to be able to receive all these messages?
 
2013-06-16 05:16:19 PM

jbc: Not clicking to see what the Goatlaying Dimwit has on his idiotic blog. Get us a legitimate link, Subby.


Well ... that was harsh.
 
2013-06-16 05:18:58 PM
Yanno... if you distrust the government, want less intrusion/more liberty and would like to see fiscal responsibility I can totally respect that and even agree. As soon as you mention that is why you support Republicans or the current "conservative" set of ideals is when I know you are either a liar with an agenda or an idiot.

You aren't fooling anyone who isn't already marching in lockstep with your derp already.
 
2013-06-16 05:20:16 PM

Silverstaff: How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in the 50 years they've been out there since the creation of the EBS in 1963) is any worse than the FCC requiring AM/FM radios and TVs to be able to receive all these messages?


Because Obama
 
2013-06-16 05:25:47 PM
This is a test of the emergency President Insert Name wants to jabber your ear off.  This is only a test. If it were an actual jabberncy, you'd be screaming and trying to rip your eardrums out.
 
2013-06-16 05:25:58 PM

Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.

No, it really, really isn't.

I'm not missing any point.  The point is that the EAS system, including Presidential Alerts, exists to allow the government, at both state and Federal levels, to issue emergency messages in extreme conditions, as has been pointed out one was issued for Colorado Springs just 3 days ago during their wildfires.  However, a Presidential Alert has NEVER been used, it wasn't even used during 9/11 (they considered it, but decided against it).  That level of alert is basically for World War III events like "We're being invaded" or "Nuclear war has just begun".

This is AT&T making their phones receive these messages as they are sent, if they are ever sent.  It's presumably not a Federal mandate, or we'd be hearing about other iPhone providers like Verizon and Sprint doing the same thing, not to mention Android phones, Windows phones, and Blackberries (or maybe including plain old dumbphones).

How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in the 50 years th ...


You argue that it's not the same thing yourself by pointing out that it's the carriers who are doing it...which is part of the bigger picture to which I'm referring. This notion runs parallel to the extra-legal data collection, policy enforcement, etc., that we're seeing throughout the US and the US' influence abroad.

The point is that there doesn't need to be a law (generally) if behavior/data are provided (quasi-) voluntarily.

Get back with me in 10 or so years to see how this has all played out. It's a script we've seen before in history. We just have some pretty wild technology today that's not been available in the past. Again, these are ideas that I'm talking about. Concepts. Generalities. Piss into the wind all you like conflating this with EMS/EBS, but that's missing the broader point which is much more interesting (and likely weightier).
 
2013-06-16 05:26:24 PM

make me some tea: I have Verizon, I get those alerts every time bad weather comes through.

/the scariest one was the Hurricane Sandy alert


Funny I don't get those alerts on the Sprint network.
 
2013-06-16 05:32:09 PM

Twitch Boy: Confirmed, just got this on my AT&T 4S.  Had a strange message on Friday saying the phone had updated some essential software (over 4G no less, I hadn't been on wifi for several hours, who knows how much data that burned.)  I now have the Government Alerts switches in my Notification section.

No likey the mandatory install.  I'd rather opt in.

Besides, if Anchorage has The Big One I'm gonna know about it before my cell phone chimes in.


I have an iPhone 4 so this doesn't bother me...when I upgrade I will be more than pissed about it (I would probably install it on my own, don't like being forced into it)
 
2013-06-16 05:37:27 PM
In the article he posted about Obama having an arrest warrant in south Africa, he says that they shouldn't have tried the nazis for war crimes? Wuh?
 
2013-06-16 05:39:49 PM
No is forcing you to have a cel phone.

No one is forcing you to use the internet.

No one is forcing you to use electronic methods at all.

I don't like the creepy intrusions that have come along with our highly tech oriented society but I enjoy the benefits so I just suck it up and not do stupid sh*t while I'm connected. Hell... I don't do stupid sh*t anyway.

If it bothered me that much I'd just cut the cord. You have that same choice.
 
2013-06-16 05:48:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?


parentpreviews.com
 
2013-06-16 05:55:54 PM
I turned off amber alerts because I kept getting them in triplicate. Plus they were frequently for places 400 miles away.
 
2013-06-16 06:03:28 PM

dustman81: First off, AT&T is just now doing what the other major cell providers have been doing for awhile.

Secondly, the alerts are broadcast to all phones connected to a particular cell site. So if there is a severe weather alert or AMBER alert in the area, everyone in the area will get the alert.

You can turn off all of the alerts, except the "Presidential Alerts". In the entire history of the Emergency Alert System, the President has not done a national alert. If you get a Presidental alert on your phone, you'll also get it on every radio and TV station, including satellite. If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.


So this is just a case of Obama-bashing.  I'm not surprised.
 
2013-06-16 06:13:42 PM
I clicked and made it through the headline. That is some Grade A Wack-A-Doodle there, boy.
 
2013-06-16 06:14:33 PM

vbob: [www.theblindcard.com image 636x799]Safety First. Right?


what the christ
 
2013-06-16 06:22:11 PM
Doing emergency alerts(mostly weather related) over cell phones has been in the works for a while now. They are already implemented in a lot of places.


You farking nutcakes should go out and buy another gun so you can feel safe. Maybe walk around and scare some people so you can feel good about yourself.
 
2013-06-16 06:27:34 PM
The ability to turn on your phone remotely and listen to what you are doing has been around for years (a decade now?). Try to keep up.
 
2013-06-16 06:48:10 PM
My Sprint phone already had this:

CMAS Settings

CMAS-Presidential Alert
CMAS-Extreme Alert
CMAS-Severe Alert
CMAS-Amber Alert
CMAS-Test Alert

All of the can be toggled On/Off individually.
 
2013-06-16 06:54:47 PM
AMBER Alerts Largely Ineffective, Study Shows
The touted AMBER Alert system is so inherently flawed it amounts to little more than "crime-control theater," according to a new report by researchers at the University of Nevada, Reno.

http://www.psmag.com/culture/amber-alerts-largely-ineffective-study -sh ows-4792/
 
2013-06-16 06:54:50 PM
Would that be the SAFE Act, passed in 2006 by a Republican Congress with a Republican President in the WH?

http://www.lightreading.com/congress-passes-warning-alert-and-respon se -network-act-warn-act-as-part-of-larger-port-security-bill/240064047

Why yes, yes it would!
 
2013-06-16 07:16:04 PM
Seriously, there are only three reasons we'll ever get an EAS message:

1) The nukes are coming

2) Hostile aliens are invading

3) The robot uprising has begun

/all three have the same response: get underground and get ready to probably die
 
2013-06-16 07:16:39 PM
Yeah, that's very believable web site there, tea bagging subtard.
 
2013-06-16 07:28:50 PM

Myria: Provided that there are clear limits on its use, including that it not be used for political purposes or propaganda, and that this program can only receive,

[fireden.net image 596x329]


Aw, bless your heart, thinking that a President wouldn't use various agencies/powers of the Executive Branch for nefarious means.
 
2013-06-16 07:31:43 PM

Strolpol: Seriously, there are only three reasons we'll ever get an EAS message:

1) The nukes are coming

2) Hostile aliens are invading

3) The robot uprising has begun

/all three have the same response: get underground and get ready to probably die


You forgot zombies. How could you forget zombies?
 
2013-06-16 07:34:27 PM
 I store my smartphones in a room next to a TV with Fox News running. They can listen in all they want. I'll change it up with some techno funk music once in a while and maybe some Tosh.0 marathons.
 
2013-06-16 07:48:04 PM
It is really scary to have an alert system built in our major communications systems. I know I would feel safer if there were less ways to alert people about natural disasters and other emergencies.
 
2013-06-16 08:10:37 PM
This notification system has been in newer smartphones for a while now. I have an EVO LTE with Sprint and these options were there when I bought the phone almost a year ago.

The company I work for tests upcoming wireless devices for network use. The Presidential Alert is one of the tests we run. Very creepy to hear that alert keep going off
 
2013-06-16 08:35:45 PM

hardinparamedic: Holy shiat, this article is derpy - something tells me this website gets all of it's traffic from paranoid tin-foil connoisseurs.


The job of a responsible journalist and/or editor is to screen out the idiocy and hysteria.

At FARK, they just pass it right along.
 
2013-06-16 08:37:22 PM
I will get worked up over this if and when it is abused by whomever is in office at the time.  Until then, I will focus on more important things, like voting for as many Orioles to make the all star game...
 
2013-06-16 08:59:20 PM

Spare Me: I store my smartphones in a room next to a TV with Fox News running. They can listen in all they want. I'll change it up with some techno funk music once in a while and maybe some Tosh.0 marathons.



The Government watchers need to force you to an immediate firing squad for watching those.
 
2013-06-16 09:27:30 PM

serial_crusher: Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?


I don't know. I honestly didn't know they did anything like that until I was on Kiawah Island a couple of weeks ago for vacation. All of us in our rental house got a tropical storm warning or flash flood warning on our phones from the EBS when Andrea paid a visit. I've had Verizon for about 15 years now and never gotten a message like that while at home in Northern KY. With all of the tornado warnings they seem to issue here anymore, for what used to be severe thunderstorm warnings, it kind of surprises me.
 
2013-06-16 09:36:59 PM

Weaver95: serial_crusher: Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?

I didn't know about the "presidential alerts" category though. How long before we get one of those about the "national emergency" of some abortion or gun control related legislation that we urgently need to write our congressmen about?

probably never.  although I do share your fears that a GOP president will learn to abuse the system for petty personal and/or political gain.


It's alright when we do it!
 
2013-06-16 09:41:54 PM
It's on my iPhone 4, too.

No notice.  Just found it there after reading about it.

I had thought I owned the device.
 
2013-06-16 09:48:12 PM
My dumb Verizon flip phone gets these alerts occasionally. A couple for weather and an Amber Alert.

Of the many evil things that might be inside your phone, this is the one you biatch about?
 
2013-06-16 09:58:06 PM

SirHolo: It's on my iPhone 4, too.

No notice.  Just found it there after reading about it.

I had thought I owned the device.


Yes, how odd this wasn't known to us a year ago.

I'm not sure how this means you don't own your phone.
 
2013-06-16 10:00:26 PM
farking hell, this was introduced in the EBS in what, 1963 and just now after all this time subby (and apparently a lot of others) is just now outraging about it? I mean I've seen slow and slooooow but subby here takes the cake on delayed full-derp outrage.

And CONELRAD basically only operated in takeover-everything mode and that was in 1951. Oh noes they put the CD mark on my AM dial! fark.
 
2013-06-16 10:07:19 PM

leevis: Strolpol: Seriously, there are only three reasons we'll ever get an EAS message:

1) The nukes are coming

2) Hostile aliens are invading

3) The robot uprising has begun

/all three have the same response: get underground and get ready to probably die

You forgot zombies. How could you forget zombies?


And what about werewolves!
 
2013-06-16 10:11:06 PM

whistleridge: [citation needed]


You lick obamas balls. You like it. Just like the other clowns defending the U.S. government here.
 
2013-06-16 10:14:18 PM

Mad_Radhu: Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.

Obama should issue a Presidential Alert because the author of TFA has become Derp, the Dumberer of Worlds.


Check the mirror. You have obamas pubes in your teeth.
 
2013-06-16 10:16:27 PM

snitramc: Would that be the SAFE Act, passed in 2006 by a Republican Congress with a Republican President in the WH?

http://www.lightreading.com/congress-passes-warning-alert-and-respon se -network-act-warn-act-as-part-of-larger-port-security-bill/240064047

Why yes, yes it would!


And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?
 
2013-06-16 10:25:39 PM

Bschott007: Can't turn them off or remove the app?

Really?

Redsn0w,  JailbreakMe, Absinthe, evasi0n, and Seas0nPass laugh at this derp.

Personally, if it is just an extension of the Emergency Alert System, I'd LOVE to have that app.  Seriously.  I travel often in my job and having an app that would alert me to approaching bad weather I might not otherwise be aware of to the "Oh Shiat" alert ("Meteors becoming crashed into us" or "Definitely going to blow ourselves up" kind of thing) would be a welcomed app.


I got a warning the other night at like 2am for a Tornado Warning ... While the noise my iPhone made nearly had me crapping my pants, I have to say I was thankful it alerted be before I became Dorothy and ended up in Oz.
 
2013-06-16 10:30:05 PM

You Idiots: And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?


Troll or dumbass? We report, you decide!
 
2013-06-16 10:57:36 PM

hardinparamedic: Holy shiat, this article is derpy - something tells me this website gets all of it's traffic from paranoid tin-foil connoisseurs.


Whew, glad I didn't click the link
I hate going into the Farks Politics page....
 
2013-06-16 11:24:16 PM

hardinparamedic: You Idiots: And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?

Troll or dumbass? We report, you decide!


Neither. Fuk you.
 
2013-06-16 11:29:49 PM

You Idiots: hardinparamedic: You Idiots: And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?

Troll or dumbass? We report, you decide!

Neither. Fuk you.


I think that counts as both
 
2013-06-16 11:47:08 PM
The S4 must not be doing very well if Samsung is paying for this article and this greenlight.
 
2013-06-17 01:22:40 AM
A new depth in derp.
 
2013-06-17 01:28:20 AM

HempHead: AMBER Alerts Largely Ineffective, Study Shows
The touted AMBER Alert system is so inherently flawed it amounts to little more than "crime-control theater," according to a new report by researchers at the University of Nevada, Reno.

http://www.psmag.com/culture/amber-alerts-largely-ineffective-study -sh ows-4792/


Wow, I was half-joking about the custody dispute thing. I had no idea that basically 99.9% of all AMBER alerts were disgruntled parents.
 
2013-06-17 01:34:12 AM

You Idiots: Mad_Radhu: Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.

Obama should issue a Presidential Alert because the author of TFA has become Derp, the Dumberer of Worlds.

Check the mirror. You have obamas pubes in your teeth.


You honor, I rest my case.
 
2013-06-17 02:02:12 AM

You Idiots: hardinparamedic: You Idiots: And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?

Troll or dumbass? We report, you decide!

Neither. Fuk you.


Wow. What a stunning rebuttle. Please allow me to retort.

files.gamebanana.com
 
2013-06-17 09:26:04 AM
Gleeman:
I've always wondered why car radios are largely unable to access the Weather bands. There's been plenty of times I've see nasty looking clouds ahead and would like to have had more information to decide whether to continue or pull over.

/yeah I know there are smart phones now
//but no phone use and driving!! :)


That's a good question actually.  Considering FM broadcast is 87.9-107.9Mhz in ITU Region II, I see no reason why the same receiver could be made to also tune 162.400-162.550Mhz to catch the NOAA band.  You can buy a cheap Chinese radio that will tune 65-108, 136-174, and 400-470Mhz AND transmit on 136-174 and 400-470 for under $45.
 
2013-06-17 10:14:58 AM

Strolpol: Seriously, there are only three reasons we'll ever get an EAS message:

1) The nukes are coming

2) Hostile aliens are invading

3) The robot uprising has begun

/all three have the same response: get underground and get ready to probably die


4)  Torino 8+ event is imminent.

5)  Yellowstone blew.

6)  Terrorists have released smallpox (or other lethal pathogen) in many locations.

Your response is right for #4 and #5, for #6 there's no need to get underground.
 
2013-06-17 12:10:30 PM

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.

No, it really, really isn't.

I'm not missing any point.  The point is that the EAS system, including Presidential Alerts, exists to allow the government, at both state and Federal levels, to issue emergency messages in extreme conditions, as has been pointed out one was issued for Colorado Springs just 3 days ago during their wildfires.  However, a Presidential Alert has NEVER been used, it wasn't even used during 9/11 (they considered it, but decided against it).  That level of alert is basically for World War III events like "We're being invaded" or "Nuclear war has just begun".

This is AT&T making their phones receive these messages as they are sent, if they are ever sent.  It's presumably not a Federal mandate, or we'd be hearing about other iPhone providers like Verizon and Sprint doing the same thing, not to mention Android phones, Windows phones, and Blackberries (or maybe including plain old dumbphones).

How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in th ...


Hey Dumbfark... AT&T is just the LAST ONE to do this.   it's getting press because fo the large installed iphone user base.  Get a grip
 
2013-06-17 01:03:29 PM

Loren: 5) Yellowstone blew.


You get an alert because someone doesn't like a national park?
 
2013-06-17 03:41:20 PM
I've got a 4S and have nothing like that on mine.
 
2013-06-17 05:11:50 PM

Speaker2Animals: I've got a 4S and have nothing like that on mine.


Your OS isn't up to date, It wasn't applied in your area yet, or you didn't look. I have an iPhone 4 and I found those settings.

Who cares? Why this this a source of butthurt today?
 
2013-06-17 05:29:00 PM

Speaker2Animals: I've got a 4S and have nothing like that on mine.




You need to be running iOS 6.1 to get the update OTA. Otherwise, you need to connect to iTunes to get the update.

I got it on my 4S last Friday and I'm on an AT&T MVNO (Straight Talk).
 
2013-06-17 05:40:16 PM
Well you farkers have me really scared now. Swear to FSM, just now opened up settings to see which iOS version I had and AT&T msg flashed and said my phone had been updated.
 
2013-06-17 05:41:29 PM
And really, couldn't give even half a shiat about this, but then I'm not a paranoid right winger.
 
2013-06-17 11:37:57 PM

dustman81: F
You can turn off all of the alerts, except the "Presidential Alerts". In the entire history of the Emergency Alert System, the President has not done a national alert. If you get a Presidental alert on your phone, you'll also get it on every radio and TV station, including satellite. If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.


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