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(The Gateway Pundit)   Not enough big government in your life? Then good news for you because AT&T is going to install a government messaging system on your iPhone that you won't be able to turn off. Now move along, citizen   (thegatewaypundit.com) divider line 157
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2013-06-16 05:20:16 PM

Silverstaff: How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in the 50 years they've been out there since the creation of the EBS in 1963) is any worse than the FCC requiring AM/FM radios and TVs to be able to receive all these messages?


Because Obama
 
2013-06-16 05:25:47 PM
This is a test of the emergency President Insert Name wants to jabber your ear off.  This is only a test. If it were an actual jabberncy, you'd be screaming and trying to rip your eardrums out.
 
2013-06-16 05:25:58 PM

Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.

No, it really, really isn't.

I'm not missing any point.  The point is that the EAS system, including Presidential Alerts, exists to allow the government, at both state and Federal levels, to issue emergency messages in extreme conditions, as has been pointed out one was issued for Colorado Springs just 3 days ago during their wildfires.  However, a Presidential Alert has NEVER been used, it wasn't even used during 9/11 (they considered it, but decided against it).  That level of alert is basically for World War III events like "We're being invaded" or "Nuclear war has just begun".

This is AT&T making their phones receive these messages as they are sent, if they are ever sent.  It's presumably not a Federal mandate, or we'd be hearing about other iPhone providers like Verizon and Sprint doing the same thing, not to mention Android phones, Windows phones, and Blackberries (or maybe including plain old dumbphones).

How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in the 50 years th ...


You argue that it's not the same thing yourself by pointing out that it's the carriers who are doing it...which is part of the bigger picture to which I'm referring. This notion runs parallel to the extra-legal data collection, policy enforcement, etc., that we're seeing throughout the US and the US' influence abroad.

The point is that there doesn't need to be a law (generally) if behavior/data are provided (quasi-) voluntarily.

Get back with me in 10 or so years to see how this has all played out. It's a script we've seen before in history. We just have some pretty wild technology today that's not been available in the past. Again, these are ideas that I'm talking about. Concepts. Generalities. Piss into the wind all you like conflating this with EMS/EBS, but that's missing the broader point which is much more interesting (and likely weightier).
 
2013-06-16 05:26:24 PM

make me some tea: I have Verizon, I get those alerts every time bad weather comes through.

/the scariest one was the Hurricane Sandy alert


Funny I don't get those alerts on the Sprint network.
 
2013-06-16 05:32:09 PM

Twitch Boy: Confirmed, just got this on my AT&T 4S.  Had a strange message on Friday saying the phone had updated some essential software (over 4G no less, I hadn't been on wifi for several hours, who knows how much data that burned.)  I now have the Government Alerts switches in my Notification section.

No likey the mandatory install.  I'd rather opt in.

Besides, if Anchorage has The Big One I'm gonna know about it before my cell phone chimes in.


I have an iPhone 4 so this doesn't bother me...when I upgrade I will be more than pissed about it (I would probably install it on my own, don't like being forced into it)
 
2013-06-16 05:37:27 PM
In the article he posted about Obama having an arrest warrant in south Africa, he says that they shouldn't have tried the nazis for war crimes? Wuh?
 
2013-06-16 05:39:49 PM
No is forcing you to have a cel phone.

No one is forcing you to use the internet.

No one is forcing you to use electronic methods at all.

I don't like the creepy intrusions that have come along with our highly tech oriented society but I enjoy the benefits so I just suck it up and not do stupid sh*t while I'm connected. Hell... I don't do stupid sh*t anyway.

If it bothered me that much I'd just cut the cord. You have that same choice.
 
2013-06-16 05:48:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?


parentpreviews.com
 
2013-06-16 05:55:54 PM
I turned off amber alerts because I kept getting them in triplicate. Plus they were frequently for places 400 miles away.
 
2013-06-16 06:03:28 PM

dustman81: First off, AT&T is just now doing what the other major cell providers have been doing for awhile.

Secondly, the alerts are broadcast to all phones connected to a particular cell site. So if there is a severe weather alert or AMBER alert in the area, everyone in the area will get the alert.

You can turn off all of the alerts, except the "Presidential Alerts". In the entire history of the Emergency Alert System, the President has not done a national alert. If you get a Presidental alert on your phone, you'll also get it on every radio and TV station, including satellite. If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.


So this is just a case of Obama-bashing.  I'm not surprised.
 
2013-06-16 06:13:42 PM
I clicked and made it through the headline. That is some Grade A Wack-A-Doodle there, boy.
 
2013-06-16 06:14:33 PM

vbob: [www.theblindcard.com image 636x799]Safety First. Right?


what the christ
 
2013-06-16 06:22:11 PM
Doing emergency alerts(mostly weather related) over cell phones has been in the works for a while now. They are already implemented in a lot of places.


You farking nutcakes should go out and buy another gun so you can feel safe. Maybe walk around and scare some people so you can feel good about yourself.
 
2013-06-16 06:27:34 PM
The ability to turn on your phone remotely and listen to what you are doing has been around for years (a decade now?). Try to keep up.
 
2013-06-16 06:48:10 PM
My Sprint phone already had this:

CMAS Settings

CMAS-Presidential Alert
CMAS-Extreme Alert
CMAS-Severe Alert
CMAS-Amber Alert
CMAS-Test Alert

All of the can be toggled On/Off individually.
 
2013-06-16 06:54:47 PM
AMBER Alerts Largely Ineffective, Study Shows
The touted AMBER Alert system is so inherently flawed it amounts to little more than "crime-control theater," according to a new report by researchers at the University of Nevada, Reno.

http://www.psmag.com/culture/amber-alerts-largely-ineffective-study -sh ows-4792/
 
2013-06-16 06:54:50 PM
Would that be the SAFE Act, passed in 2006 by a Republican Congress with a Republican President in the WH?

http://www.lightreading.com/congress-passes-warning-alert-and-respon se -network-act-warn-act-as-part-of-larger-port-security-bill/240064047

Why yes, yes it would!
 
2013-06-16 07:16:04 PM
Seriously, there are only three reasons we'll ever get an EAS message:

1) The nukes are coming

2) Hostile aliens are invading

3) The robot uprising has begun

/all three have the same response: get underground and get ready to probably die
 
2013-06-16 07:16:39 PM
Yeah, that's very believable web site there, tea bagging subtard.
 
2013-06-16 07:28:50 PM

Myria: Provided that there are clear limits on its use, including that it not be used for political purposes or propaganda, and that this program can only receive,

[fireden.net image 596x329]


Aw, bless your heart, thinking that a President wouldn't use various agencies/powers of the Executive Branch for nefarious means.
 
2013-06-16 07:31:43 PM

Strolpol: Seriously, there are only three reasons we'll ever get an EAS message:

1) The nukes are coming

2) Hostile aliens are invading

3) The robot uprising has begun

/all three have the same response: get underground and get ready to probably die


You forgot zombies. How could you forget zombies?
 
2013-06-16 07:34:27 PM
 I store my smartphones in a room next to a TV with Fox News running. They can listen in all they want. I'll change it up with some techno funk music once in a while and maybe some Tosh.0 marathons.
 
2013-06-16 07:48:04 PM
It is really scary to have an alert system built in our major communications systems. I know I would feel safer if there were less ways to alert people about natural disasters and other emergencies.
 
2013-06-16 08:10:37 PM
This notification system has been in newer smartphones for a while now. I have an EVO LTE with Sprint and these options were there when I bought the phone almost a year ago.

The company I work for tests upcoming wireless devices for network use. The Presidential Alert is one of the tests we run. Very creepy to hear that alert keep going off
 
2013-06-16 08:35:45 PM

hardinparamedic: Holy shiat, this article is derpy - something tells me this website gets all of it's traffic from paranoid tin-foil connoisseurs.


The job of a responsible journalist and/or editor is to screen out the idiocy and hysteria.

At FARK, they just pass it right along.
 
2013-06-16 08:37:22 PM
I will get worked up over this if and when it is abused by whomever is in office at the time.  Until then, I will focus on more important things, like voting for as many Orioles to make the all star game...
 
2013-06-16 08:59:20 PM

Spare Me: I store my smartphones in a room next to a TV with Fox News running. They can listen in all they want. I'll change it up with some techno funk music once in a while and maybe some Tosh.0 marathons.



The Government watchers need to force you to an immediate firing squad for watching those.
 
2013-06-16 09:27:30 PM

serial_crusher: Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?


I don't know. I honestly didn't know they did anything like that until I was on Kiawah Island a couple of weeks ago for vacation. All of us in our rental house got a tropical storm warning or flash flood warning on our phones from the EBS when Andrea paid a visit. I've had Verizon for about 15 years now and never gotten a message like that while at home in Northern KY. With all of the tornado warnings they seem to issue here anymore, for what used to be severe thunderstorm warnings, it kind of surprises me.
 
2013-06-16 09:36:59 PM

Weaver95: serial_crusher: Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?

I didn't know about the "presidential alerts" category though. How long before we get one of those about the "national emergency" of some abortion or gun control related legislation that we urgently need to write our congressmen about?

probably never.  although I do share your fears that a GOP president will learn to abuse the system for petty personal and/or political gain.


It's alright when we do it!
 
2013-06-16 09:41:54 PM
It's on my iPhone 4, too.

No notice.  Just found it there after reading about it.

I had thought I owned the device.
 
2013-06-16 09:48:12 PM
My dumb Verizon flip phone gets these alerts occasionally. A couple for weather and an Amber Alert.

Of the many evil things that might be inside your phone, this is the one you biatch about?
 
2013-06-16 09:58:06 PM

SirHolo: It's on my iPhone 4, too.

No notice.  Just found it there after reading about it.

I had thought I owned the device.


Yes, how odd this wasn't known to us a year ago.

I'm not sure how this means you don't own your phone.
 
2013-06-16 10:00:26 PM
farking hell, this was introduced in the EBS in what, 1963 and just now after all this time subby (and apparently a lot of others) is just now outraging about it? I mean I've seen slow and slooooow but subby here takes the cake on delayed full-derp outrage.

And CONELRAD basically only operated in takeover-everything mode and that was in 1951. Oh noes they put the CD mark on my AM dial! fark.
 
2013-06-16 10:07:19 PM

leevis: Strolpol: Seriously, there are only three reasons we'll ever get an EAS message:

1) The nukes are coming

2) Hostile aliens are invading

3) The robot uprising has begun

/all three have the same response: get underground and get ready to probably die

You forgot zombies. How could you forget zombies?


And what about werewolves!
 
2013-06-16 10:11:06 PM

whistleridge: [citation needed]


You lick obamas balls. You like it. Just like the other clowns defending the U.S. government here.
 
2013-06-16 10:14:18 PM

Mad_Radhu: Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.

Obama should issue a Presidential Alert because the author of TFA has become Derp, the Dumberer of Worlds.


Check the mirror. You have obamas pubes in your teeth.
 
2013-06-16 10:16:27 PM

snitramc: Would that be the SAFE Act, passed in 2006 by a Republican Congress with a Republican President in the WH?

http://www.lightreading.com/congress-passes-warning-alert-and-respon se -network-act-warn-act-as-part-of-larger-port-security-bill/240064047

Why yes, yes it would!


And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?
 
2013-06-16 10:25:39 PM

Bschott007: Can't turn them off or remove the app?

Really?

Redsn0w,  JailbreakMe, Absinthe, evasi0n, and Seas0nPass laugh at this derp.

Personally, if it is just an extension of the Emergency Alert System, I'd LOVE to have that app.  Seriously.  I travel often in my job and having an app that would alert me to approaching bad weather I might not otherwise be aware of to the "Oh Shiat" alert ("Meteors becoming crashed into us" or "Definitely going to blow ourselves up" kind of thing) would be a welcomed app.


I got a warning the other night at like 2am for a Tornado Warning ... While the noise my iPhone made nearly had me crapping my pants, I have to say I was thankful it alerted be before I became Dorothy and ended up in Oz.
 
2013-06-16 10:30:05 PM

You Idiots: And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?


Troll or dumbass? We report, you decide!
 
2013-06-16 10:57:36 PM

hardinparamedic: Holy shiat, this article is derpy - something tells me this website gets all of it's traffic from paranoid tin-foil connoisseurs.


Whew, glad I didn't click the link
I hate going into the Farks Politics page....
 
2013-06-16 11:24:16 PM

hardinparamedic: You Idiots: And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?

Troll or dumbass? We report, you decide!


Neither. Fuk you.
 
2013-06-16 11:29:49 PM

You Idiots: hardinparamedic: You Idiots: And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?

Troll or dumbass? We report, you decide!

Neither. Fuk you.


I think that counts as both
 
2013-06-16 11:47:08 PM
The S4 must not be doing very well if Samsung is paying for this article and this greenlight.
 
2013-06-17 01:22:40 AM
A new depth in derp.
 
2013-06-17 01:28:20 AM

HempHead: AMBER Alerts Largely Ineffective, Study Shows
The touted AMBER Alert system is so inherently flawed it amounts to little more than "crime-control theater," according to a new report by researchers at the University of Nevada, Reno.

http://www.psmag.com/culture/amber-alerts-largely-ineffective-study -sh ows-4792/


Wow, I was half-joking about the custody dispute thing. I had no idea that basically 99.9% of all AMBER alerts were disgruntled parents.
 
2013-06-17 01:34:12 AM

You Idiots: Mad_Radhu: Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.

Obama should issue a Presidential Alert because the author of TFA has become Derp, the Dumberer of Worlds.

Check the mirror. You have obamas pubes in your teeth.


You honor, I rest my case.
 
2013-06-17 02:02:12 AM

You Idiots: hardinparamedic: You Idiots: And your boy and you endorse it. What's your farming point nazi?

Troll or dumbass? We report, you decide!

Neither. Fuk you.


Wow. What a stunning rebuttle. Please allow me to retort.

files.gamebanana.com
 
2013-06-17 09:26:04 AM
Gleeman:
I've always wondered why car radios are largely unable to access the Weather bands. There's been plenty of times I've see nasty looking clouds ahead and would like to have had more information to decide whether to continue or pull over.

/yeah I know there are smart phones now
//but no phone use and driving!! :)


That's a good question actually.  Considering FM broadcast is 87.9-107.9Mhz in ITU Region II, I see no reason why the same receiver could be made to also tune 162.400-162.550Mhz to catch the NOAA band.  You can buy a cheap Chinese radio that will tune 65-108, 136-174, and 400-470Mhz AND transmit on 136-174 and 400-470 for under $45.
 
2013-06-17 10:14:58 AM

Strolpol: Seriously, there are only three reasons we'll ever get an EAS message:

1) The nukes are coming

2) Hostile aliens are invading

3) The robot uprising has begun

/all three have the same response: get underground and get ready to probably die


4)  Torino 8+ event is imminent.

5)  Yellowstone blew.

6)  Terrorists have released smallpox (or other lethal pathogen) in many locations.

Your response is right for #4 and #5, for #6 there's no need to get underground.
 
2013-06-17 12:10:30 PM

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.

No, it really, really isn't.

I'm not missing any point.  The point is that the EAS system, including Presidential Alerts, exists to allow the government, at both state and Federal levels, to issue emergency messages in extreme conditions, as has been pointed out one was issued for Colorado Springs just 3 days ago during their wildfires.  However, a Presidential Alert has NEVER been used, it wasn't even used during 9/11 (they considered it, but decided against it).  That level of alert is basically for World War III events like "We're being invaded" or "Nuclear war has just begun".

This is AT&T making their phones receive these messages as they are sent, if they are ever sent.  It's presumably not a Federal mandate, or we'd be hearing about other iPhone providers like Verizon and Sprint doing the same thing, not to mention Android phones, Windows phones, and Blackberries (or maybe including plain old dumbphones).

How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in th ...


Hey Dumbfark... AT&T is just the LAST ONE to do this.   it's getting press because fo the large installed iphone user base.  Get a grip
 
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