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(The Gateway Pundit)   Not enough big government in your life? Then good news for you because AT&T is going to install a government messaging system on your iPhone that you won't be able to turn off. Now move along, citizen   (thegatewaypundit.com) divider line 157
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2013-06-16 03:51:50 PM
Back to hardwired rotary dial telephones, you paranoid gits. Please leave a message. *beep*
 
2013-06-16 03:53:37 PM
Only as long as it has an "everything's OK" siren

/obscure, or already in thread 9 times?
 
2013-06-16 03:54:29 PM
THE DUMB! TURN IT OFF! FOR THE LOVE OF SCROD TURN IT OFF!!!!
 
2013-06-16 03:54:51 PM
This is not the Change we Hoped for.
 
2013-06-16 03:55:19 PM
Can't turn them off or remove the app?

Really?

Redsn0w,  JailbreakMe, Absinthe, evasi0n, and Seas0nPass laugh at this derp.

Personally, if it is just an extension of the Emergency Alert System, I'd LOVE to have that app.  Seriously.  I travel often in my job and having an app that would alert me to approaching bad weather I might not otherwise be aware of to the "Oh Shiat" alert ("Meteors becoming crashed into us" or "Definitely going to blow ourselves up" kind of thing) would be a welcomed app.
 
2013-06-16 03:56:09 PM

Hickory-smoked: Ivo Shandor: Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.

What exactly is a "presidential alert?"


According to the FCC and the 2006 WARN act, it's an alert issued by the President regarding a critical emergency situation.
 
2013-06-16 03:57:35 PM

Gleeman: hardinparamedic: Personally, I wish there were more ways to get Emergency Alert Notices out to people other than the rare weather radio which everyone should own but few do.

You might save more than a few lives each year, especially in areas where severe weather and tornados are common.

I've always wondered why car radios are largely unable to access the Weather bands. There's been plenty of times I've see nasty looking clouds ahead and would like to have had more information to decide whether to continue or pull over.

/yeah I know there are smart phones now
//but no phone use and driving!! :)


My phone helpfully reads me the incoming texts over bluetooth, including the emergency alerts. Weather bands would be more useful to me than the AM/FM bands, though. They really need to overhaul car audio, though. I have all my music on a flash drive or my phone, so I have zero need for a CD player or radio. I'd love to see a decently priced head unit with an emphasis on digital media, with a non-sucky media player UI and plenty of plug ins.
 
2013-06-16 03:58:53 PM
So they will be able to read all my messages about what a super swell job the government is doing?
 
2013-06-16 04:01:57 PM

Gleeman: I've always wondered why car radios are largely unable to access the Weather bands. There's been plenty of times I've see nasty looking clouds ahead and would like to have had more information to decide whether to continue or pull over.

/yeah I know there are smart phones now
//but no phone use and driving!! :)


The newer truck radios, I know, have them in it.
 
2013-06-16 04:03:10 PM

Bschott007: Can't turn them off or remove the app?

Really?

Redsn0w,  JailbreakMe, Absinthe, evasi0n, and Seas0nPass laugh at this derp.

Personally, if it is just an extension of the Emergency Alert System, I'd LOVE to have that app.  Seriously.  I travel often in my job and having an app that would alert me to approaching bad weather I might not otherwise be aware of to the "Oh Shiat" alert ("Meteors becoming crashed into us" or "Definitely going to blow ourselves up" kind of thing) would be a welcomed app.


On my Windows Phone the emergency alerts are baked into the OS, so you probably can't remove it on iOS without replacing the whole messaging subsystem of iOS, which might be beyond what most jailbreaks can do.
 
2013-06-16 04:04:48 PM
So many of these intrusive and offensive oppressions can be ignored if people just decide to give up on the cell phone.  Likewise, if your electronic devices have been compromised, just give up on them, at least for a while, and make do without.

Imagine the utter joy of saying to yourself, I have gone a whole week without very much government and corporate spying on me as possible.  I had at least some privacy for a whole week.
 
2013-06-16 04:05:54 PM

Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.


Obama should issue a Presidential Alert because the author of TFA has become Derp, the Dumberer of Worlds.
 
2013-06-16 04:06:56 PM

serial_crusher: Verizon has been doing those for a while hasn't it?

I didn't know about the "presidential alerts" category though. How long before we get one of those about the "national emergency" of some abortion or gun control related legislation that we urgently need to write our congressmen about?


Yes. They were beta testing last August-September, IIRC. Wednesday, precisely at noon, they tested it for 3 weeks. Sometime during the testing phase, we received a local alert for a severe thunderstorm. Haven't seen anything since.
 
2013-06-16 04:07:03 PM
This story would have gotten a lot more mileage if they didn't specifically mention Obama. That part was unnecessary and doesn't sound like it's really true. I do agree that not being able to disable this messaging system is stupid, but Republicans need to learn how their reporting on it will be received.
 
2013-06-16 04:08:42 PM
How dare the government tell me if I'm under a tornado warning!!!

/Seriously though, those alerts are awesome and very handy
//Also get them for AMBER alerts too
 
2013-06-16 04:10:22 PM

kombat_unit: Bathia_Mapes:  derb.

Is that the next evolution of derp?


Either that or I haven't had enough caffeine yet. :-D
 
2013-06-16 04:16:04 PM
Why do conservatives hate extremely urgent national security alerts?
 
2013-06-16 04:16:39 PM
Weaver95 * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-06-16 12:20:26 PM Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments. its interesting to see the GOP flip their lids over what is nothing more than a safety/disaster alert system.
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...Cause it's Obama.

Have you learned nothing since 2009? :)
 
2013-06-16 04:20:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the Change we Hoped for.


If you're sincerely suggesting that the White House is going to abuse the national alert system, I'd like to hear specifically how.

I think you're the only person in this thread who's taking TFA seriously, but then again you might just be shiatting us.
 
2013-06-16 04:24:10 PM
www.theblindcard.com

Safety First. Right?

 
2013-06-16 04:26:23 PM
I like it when tin foil subby articles get green light so I can point and laugh at them.

Haha.
 
2013-06-16 04:27:10 PM

Corn_Fed: Why do conservatives hate extremely urgent national security alerts?


Why do we need 'extremely urgent national security alerts'?

It's a big country.  Nothing ever happens that impacts the entire country in an urgent way at the same time.

Maybe what conservatives hate is too much unnecessary government.  In case you hadn't noticed, we're out of money.

Given that it's not been shown the NSA gets zero day exploits from software companies and also listens to phone calls of American citizens without warrants, and also the IRS has unlawfully gone after critics of democrats, it seems to be a good time to hold off on pretty much any government initiatives.  It's time to close a lot of departments and programs down, actually.  We're not getting our bang for the buck anyway.  The NSA has failed repeatedly anyway.

It's always amusing to see blind trust in government.  It also goes along with some stupid boogeyman, like 'hateful conservatives'.  That's why our country is too screwed up.
 
2013-06-16 04:29:38 PM

Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: There are some weapons-grade derb in those article comments.

its interesting to see the GOP flip their lids over what is nothing more than a safety/disaster alert system.


It's funny to see people who during the reign of Bush the Lesser were very pro-government suddenly distrust anything from Washington, and use Obama's name as a synonym for government.

If Rmoney had won in November, would they still be upset, or would they look forward to information from their Lord and Master.
 
2013-06-16 04:31:42 PM

whistleridge: [citation needed]


http://blogs.att.net/consumerblog/story/a7790136

Straight from the source. You have the option of turning off all of the emergency notifications except the Presidential alerts.
 
2013-06-16 04:32:11 PM

Arcanum: Why do we need 'extremely urgent national security alerts'?

It's a big country. Nothing ever happens that impacts the entire country in an urgent way at the same time.

Maybe what conservatives hate is too much unnecessary government. In case you hadn't noticed, we're out of money.


How much do you think these alerts cost taxpayers?
 
2013-06-16 04:33:55 PM
Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.
 
2013-06-16 04:34:38 PM
 
2013-06-16 04:34:53 PM

dustman81: If the President issues an EAS message, it means we're in some deep shiat.

bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.

FTFE
 
2013-06-16 04:36:42 PM
"The missiles are flying.  Hallelujah, hallelujah."
 
2013-06-16 04:37:37 PM
I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?
 
2013-06-16 04:39:22 PM

Arcanum: Nothing ever happens that impacts the entire country in an urgent way at the same time.


It was considered during 9/11. And if you know your Cold War history, there were some close calls then too.
 
2013-06-16 04:42:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?


The Presidential EAS Alert is designed to let the White House speak to the entire country within just a few minutes. It would require an immediate crisis of epic proportions. But that is part of the job of government--to prepare for mass contingency situations. Just make sure you have enough TP around to clean the crap out of your pants if it happens.
 
2013-06-16 04:44:27 PM

Mrtraveler01: How dare the government tell me if I'm under a tornado warning!!!


I would support a law requiring every radio sold in the US to have NWS alert reception capability. I think its disgusting that we don't even do that.
 
2013-06-16 04:44:35 PM

Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.


Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?
 
2013-06-16 04:44:54 PM

Ivo Shandor: Speaker2Animals: Subdumbassmitter: "... that you won't be able to turn off."

Picture in TFA: On-off switches.

Words in TFA: on/off switches for those alert categories, but not for the "presidential" ones.


WTF is a "presidential alert?"
 
2013-06-16 04:48:06 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?



ALERT: Don't go to the Subway down the street. Got a bad stomachache from the pickles.
 
2013-06-16 04:49:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?


Psst - check the preceding post.
 
2013-06-16 04:51:53 PM

Speaker2Animals: WTF is a "presidential alert?"


This is a Presidential Alert, technically a national activation of the already existing and often locally used EAS.
 
2013-06-16 04:53:24 PM

Gentoolive: Big govt, a libtards wet dream.


i.imgur.com
The people in Colorado Springs definitely appreciated it regardless of their partisan politics.
 
2013-06-16 04:54:04 PM
Don't worry, we have plenty of guys living in their parents' basements who'll have a hack available in a matter of weeks, if not days.
 
2013-06-16 04:54:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: I wonder what kind of event would have to happen to justify a "Presidential Alert"?


"The Russians have launched.  You all have 30 minutes to live."
 
2013-06-16 04:55:32 PM

Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?


You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.
 
2013-06-16 04:58:47 PM

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.


No, it's literally the same thing.
 
2013-06-16 05:01:08 PM

Speaker2Animals: WTF is a "presidential alert?"


Here's a tl;dr PDF if you're really curious. Dated April 9, 2008 and describing the FCC's implementation of the Commercial Mobile Alert System in response to the 2006 Warning, Alert, and Response Network act. Basically a "presidential alert" appears to be any sort of "shiat just got real" message that the president chooses to send out.

/bolded to point out that this system is yet another example of Obama's reckless use of his magical time machine
 
2013-06-16 05:01:40 PM

Somacandra: Mrtraveler01: How dare the government tell me if I'm under a tornado warning!!!

I would support a law requiring every radio sold in the US to have NWS alert reception capability. I think its disgusting that we don't even do that.


I would support a law placing this submitter into a category of cellphone users who gets random alerts -- which they're unable to turn off -- 15-20 times an hour.
 
2013-06-16 05:02:39 PM
Confirmed, just got this on my AT&T 4S.  Had a strange message on Friday saying the phone had updated some essential software (over 4G no less, I hadn't been on wifi for several hours, who knows how much data that burned.)  I now have the Government Alerts switches in my Notification section.

No likey the mandatory install.  I'd rather opt in.

Besides, if Anchorage has The Big One I'm gonna know about it before my cell phone chimes in.
 
2013-06-16 05:04:38 PM

Mad_Radhu: At least you can turn off Amber Alerts for the phone. My TiVo stops whatever I am watching and shows me an Atari 2600 quality graphic with a deeply distorted, staticy voice from the ether intoning the details whenever someone in the Seattle metro has a custody dispute make a turn for the worst (which seems like the majority of the alerts).


Yep. Because it's everyone's problem when DeWayne steals his babby from La Donna and heads for Wenatchee.
 
2013-06-16 05:10:26 PM

Xaneidolon: Silverstaff: Xaneidolon: Gone are the days of actually owning a device that you have purchased.

Like how getting an Emergency Alert System test message over the radio on your car or on your TV means you don't really own your TV?

That's what this is, after all.  A cell phone is a radio transmitter/receiver, just one that accesses the telephone network.  These messages are just part of the same alert system.  If, in some horrible catastrophe, the President needed to put out an emergency message to the American people, would you not want him to have a way to do so?

You have been griping about weekly EAS tests interfering with ownership of your radios and TV's right?

You're missing the general point entirely. And it's a false equivalency, specifically.


No, it really, really isn't.

I'm not missing any point.  The point is that the EAS system, including Presidential Alerts, exists to allow the government, at both state and Federal levels, to issue emergency messages in extreme conditions, as has been pointed out one was issued for Colorado Springs just 3 days ago during their wildfires.  However, a Presidential Alert has NEVER been used, it wasn't even used during 9/11 (they considered it, but decided against it).  That level of alert is basically for World War III events like "We're being invaded" or "Nuclear war has just begun".

This is AT&T making their phones receive these messages as they are sent, if they are ever sent.  It's presumably not a Federal mandate, or we'd be hearing about other iPhone providers like Verizon and Sprint doing the same thing, not to mention Android phones, Windows phones, and Blackberries (or maybe including plain old dumbphones).

How is saying that a radio telecommunications device (i.e. an iphone) being required by the company that provides the phone (AT&T, which provides the service to the Apple product) to receive these alerts (or specifically, only Presidential Alerts, which have never been issued in the 50 years they've been out there since the creation of the EBS in 1963) is any worse than the FCC requiring AM/FM radios and TVs to be able to receive all these messages?
 
2013-06-16 05:16:19 PM

jbc: Not clicking to see what the Goatlaying Dimwit has on his idiotic blog. Get us a legitimate link, Subby.


Well ... that was harsh.
 
2013-06-16 05:18:58 PM
Yanno... if you distrust the government, want less intrusion/more liberty and would like to see fiscal responsibility I can totally respect that and even agree. As soon as you mention that is why you support Republicans or the current "conservative" set of ideals is when I know you are either a liar with an agenda or an idiot.

You aren't fooling anyone who isn't already marching in lockstep with your derp already.
 
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