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(The Sun)   'Hypnosis showed I was a killer,' says woman who forgot she shot and killed someone in 1976   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 57
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2013-06-16 08:47:24 AM  
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2013-06-16 08:50:39 AM  
Oh horse shiat.
 
2013-06-16 08:52:04 AM  
When asked how a teenager could have committed a crime more than three decades ago, a police spokesman explained, quote: "She's very clever."
 
2013-06-16 08:53:27 AM  

Alonjar: Oh horse shiat.


didnt mean to submit so quickly.  Anyhow... its entirely possible she didnt even kill him, and instead her brain manifested these "memories".  This is often the case with supposed hypnotism and "repressed memories."
 
2013-06-16 09:00:03 AM  

Mister Peejay: When asked how a teenager could have committed a crime more than three decades ago, a police spokesman explained, quote: "She's very clever."


+1
 
2013-06-16 09:00:29 AM  
Or rather, hypnosis convinced her she was a killer. It's telling that for all her confessions, the police couldn't find any evidence.
 
2013-06-16 09:00:44 AM  
If there is no evidence, it's likely a false memory. Some people develop elaborate and confident false memories during "therapy." It's easier to develop false memories if a long time has passed from the supposed event.
 
2013-06-16 09:03:32 AM  
Janet said: "I have written a book called 'A Stranger In My Life' that's in stores now!

 Well, I'm sure she's not making stuff up to drum up interest in her book at all.
 
2013-06-16 09:03:39 AM  
Done in one.
 
2013-06-16 09:08:58 AM  
This is why hypnosis is only used as a very last resort by actual psychologists/psychiatrists/therapists. Way too easy to make up fake memories.
/Fake memories is the main cause of the Satanic ritual abuse panics of the 80's. The kids were interrogated until they started making up and believing the stories because then they were rewarded/let go.
 
2013-06-16 09:15:22 AM  

MFAWG: [www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 200x298]


Done in one.
 
2013-06-16 09:16:23 AM  

thatboyoverthere: This is why hypnosis is only used as a very last resort by actual psychologists/psychiatrists/therapists. Way too easy to make up fake memories.
/Fake memories is the main cause of the Satanic ritual abuse panics of the 80's. The kids were interrogated until they started making up and believing the stories because then they were rewarded/let go.


As one of the commenters on the article stated, EMDR is not hypnosis... There is also a lot of controversy as to whether or not EMDR is even any more effective than conventional therapies...
 
2013-06-16 09:23:15 AM  

EnglishMan: Janet said: "I have written a book called 'A Stranger In My Life' that's in stores now!

 Well, I'm sure she's not making stuff up to drum up interest in her book at all.


She might not be making stuff up on purpose. Some therapists urge someone like Janet, who apparently has real issues, to imagine what it might be like to be the victim of sexual abuse. Where would it be? What time of day? Where would you have been most vulnerable? Imagining an event can increase Janet's confidence that it happened.

Considering the high frequency of suicide in middle age males, it's more likely the farmer shuffled off this mortal coil somewhere only he knew,
 
2013-06-16 09:23:28 AM  

ghostwind: thatboyoverthere: This is why hypnosis is only used as a very last resort by actual psychologists/psychiatrists/therapists. Way too easy to make up fake memories.
/Fake memories is the main cause of the Satanic ritual abuse panics of the 80's. The kids were interrogated until they started making up and believing the stories because then they were rewarded/let go.

As one of the commenters on the article stated, EMDR is not hypnosis... There is also a lot of controversy as to whether or not EMDR is even any more effective than conventional therapies...


EMDR is barely science either. A  lot of very reputable mainstream experts won't touch it, because the results can't always be duplicated, they have a high rate of false positives, and even when it does work they still have a very high margin of error. Yes, on rare occasions it has proven beneficial, but...you can say the same thing for trepanning too..
 
2013-06-16 09:24:01 AM  
She blasted him with a shotgun and they found no evidence a couple days later?
 
2013-06-16 09:24:25 AM  

Alonjar: didnt mean to submit so quickly.  Anyhow... its entirely possible she didnt even kill him, and instead her brain manifested these "memories".  This is often the case with supposed hypnotism and "repressed memories."


Yeah, I can do some show hypnosis stuff. Someone under hypnosis is incredibly impressionable. It's fairly easy to get someone up and convince them that their name is Spongebob and they live in a pineapple under the sea. It doesn't mean they're actually Spongebob - it just means they're very suggestible.
 
2013-06-16 09:27:45 AM  

MFAWG: [www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 200x298]


God damn, you're fast.
 
2013-06-16 09:31:50 AM  
the hypnotist was the killer and is implanting false memories
 
2013-06-16 09:38:23 AM  
EMDR comes of of the same roots as NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming), so it's just as scientific - which is, to say, it's crap.

http://www.skepdic.com/emdr.html
 
2013-06-16 09:39:21 AM  
"I'm grateful hypnotherapy gave me the answers I needed. I don't hate Fred - and his family deserve to give him a proper burial."

That is nice of her. In the mean time, she has just written a book detailing how Fred had rapered her twice 30 years ago with very little or no evidence other than what a British version of Sylvia Browne told her. It is good Fred's family finally has closure.
 
2013-06-16 09:46:13 AM  
As others have pointed out, this is just repressed memories 2.0.

IIRC this sort of testimony is inadmissible in court now in the US, due largely to the fact that A. The brain just makes up shiat so easily  B.  The supposed mechanic in which repressed memories are kept in the brain is so vague as to be bullshiat.

So I'm going to call bullshiat on this one.
 
2013-06-16 09:52:18 AM  
   She still won't 'fess up to the Rebel Wilson/Pee Wee Herman 3some....
 
2013-06-16 09:56:47 AM  
This thread would be a lot more entertaining if someone would take the counter position.  Are all of the usual suspects sleeping in this morning?  Taking Dad shopping for crystals?
 
2013-06-16 09:58:43 AM  
What was she wearing?
 
2013-06-16 09:59:51 AM  
 
2013-06-16 10:11:57 AM  

RabidRythmDivas: She blasted him with a shotgun and they found no evidence a couple days later?


Yea I got that as well. She cleaned the kitchen that well? They can use the glowing stuff and see if they can find old blood as well.

Probably dropped in a sinkhole and died.
 
2013-06-16 10:25:08 AM  

Anthracite: RabidRythmDivas: She blasted him with a shotgun and they found no evidence a couple days later?

Yea I got that as well. She cleaned the kitchen that well? They can use the glowing stuff and see if they can find old blood as well.

Probably dropped in a sinkhole and died.


If I had to guess, I would say he actually did rape her and then disappeared or killed himself out of shame.  Her brain then created the fantasy about shooting him.
 
2013-06-16 10:29:14 AM  
Surprised she didn't kill him in a Satanic ritual while being farked buy some dude in ram's horns.

I mean, as long as you're falsifying memories might as well go all out.
 
2013-06-16 10:29:15 AM  
there just may be a tiny difference between suggestively placing false memories in children over months of meetings with assorted child services and law enforcement personnel after hysterical parental interference - and an adult walking in once to be hypnotized by a specialist.

that said, repressing the memory of having seduced a  farmer who was a father figure for some 10 years when he heart attacked dead during climax on the great big feather bed could also plant a tall wall and fertile seeds in ones imagination. guess we'll never know what happened.

/ only her hairdresser knows for sure
 
2013-06-16 10:43:38 AM  

MFAWG: [www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 200x298]


You know, this was making me think how much conservative tv is like what a hypnotist does. Here is an example of a basic routine -

1. Eye fixation - "Okay, I want you to pick a spot on the wall and concentrate on it. As you concentrate on this one point..."
Staring at the tv for hours

2. Telling them how to feel - "Now as you start to relax. You feel happy and relaxed and calm. And relax your neck and your..."
You'll be outraged at what Obama's doing now. I'm angry and you should be too. You'll be furious when you hear what Congress is up to this week.

3. Present confusing information - A common one is telling someone to interlock their fingers, tell them how tight they are while asking them to separate them. The conflicting information works against itself so their hands will remain "stuck" together.
If you watch the shows, they're kinda surreal how weird the information presented is.

4. Give them something they can understand in the midst of confusing instructions - Your name is Spongebob. What's your name?
Gold is a good investment. Call goldline.
 
2013-06-16 10:46:43 AM  

Yes please: This thread would be a lot more entertaining if someone would take the counter position.  Are all of the usual suspects sleeping in this morning?  Taking Dad shopping for crystals?


Even if they got the crystals today to celebrate Father's Day they would be ineffective for a while. You have to bury them in a garden so they realign themselves to pick up positive energies (especially quartz). They need to be underground for at least 4-5 days. For maxim benefit, when you take them out of the soil, put them in a glass (not
pla$tic!) and leave it in the sunshine all day. Drink the water and the crystal will provide its maximum benefits when you use it. Derp.

Or something.

And I totally believe this type of false memory implantation therapy. It should be mandatory for everyone that is a suspect in any crime.
 
2013-06-16 10:56:51 AM  

Alonjar: Alonjar: Oh horse shiat.

didnt mean to submit so quickly.  Anyhow... its entirely possible she didnt even kill him, and instead her brain manifested these "memories".  This is often the case with supposed hypnotism and "repressed memories."


I'd go further. As far as I know there is not a single authenticated case of somebody "repressing" memory of a significant trauma and later "recovering" the memories under hypnosis, and plenty of cases where the alleged recovered memories are demonstrably false (for example, the body isn't where she said it was). Conversely, it has been clearly demonstrated that people can very easily be persuaded into false memories (a favorite is to persuade adults that they were once lost in a store as a child).

Delay: Considering the high frequency of suicide in middle age males, it's more likely the farmer shuffled off this mortal coil somewhere only he knew,


This. And among farmers, the suicide rate is exceptionally high. Partly because they have more access to the means such as shotguns (especially in the UK where gun ownership is relatively rare) or poison, and partly because the nature of farming is such that somebody is less likely to be missed or discovered during a suicide attempt -- hanging is one of the leading methods, in part because it's easy to find a quiet, isolated building, and not be missed until you don't come home at night.
 
2013-06-16 11:01:36 AM  
Having lost time myself due to my own mental damage, I can believe her story... Or at least I could up until the part where she tries to sell her book.

I hate reading an article and then getting to the end and finding out it was actually an advertisement. The Sun does that a LOT.
 
2013-06-16 11:03:48 AM  

czetie: Alonjar: Alonjar: Oh horse shiat.

didnt mean to submit so quickly.  Anyhow... its entirely possible she didnt even kill him, and instead her brain manifested these "memories".  This is often the case with supposed hypnotism and "repressed memories."

I'd go further. As far as I know there is not a single authenticated case of somebody "repressing" memory of a significant trauma and later "recovering" the memories under hypnosis, and plenty of cases where the alleged recovered memories are demonstrably false (for example, the body isn't where she said it was). Conversely, it has been clearly demonstrated that people can very easily be persuaded into false memories (a favorite is to persuade adults that they were once lost in a store as a child).

Delay: Considering the high frequency of suicide in middle age males, it's more likely the farmer shuffled off this mortal coil somewhere only he knew,

This. And among farmers, the suicide rate is exceptionally high. Partly because they have more access to the means such as shotguns (especially in the UK where gun ownership is relatively rare) or poison, and partly because the nature of farming is such that somebody is less likely to be missed or discovered during a suicide attempt -- hanging is one of the leading methods, in part because it's easy to find a quiet, isolated building, and not be missed until you don't come home at night.


   Cant help but think about Charles Rocket here....Was living on a farm in New England when he committed suicide with a scythe......And before you say it....Mamma Pappa told me son you dont know how to live...But I dont listen to them 'cause my head is like a scythe!!
 
2013-06-16 11:05:33 AM  

megarian: Yes please: This thread would be a lot more entertaining if someone would take the counter position.  Are all of the usual suspects sleeping in this morning?  Taking Dad shopping for crystals?

Even if they got the crystals today to celebrate Father's Day they would be ineffective for a while. You have to bury them in a garden so they realign themselves to pick up positive energies (especially quartz). They need to be underground for at least 4-5 days. For maxim benefit, when you take them out of the soil, put them in a glass (not
pla$tic!) and leave it in the sunshine all day. Drink the water and the crystal will provide its maximum benefits when you use it. Derp.

Or something.

And I totally believe this type of false memory implantation therapy. It should be mandatory for everyone that is a suspect in any crime.


You also forgot to mention that nobody else can touch the crystal at all, not even the slightest touch, as that will disrupt the crystal's harmonic vibration with your life force.  If that happens, you will have to re-tune the crystal.
 
2013-06-16 11:08:38 AM  
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2013-06-16 11:09:55 AM  
dammit janet
 
2013-06-16 11:12:43 AM  

eyeq360: megarian: Yes please: This thread would be a lot more entertaining if someone would take the counter position.  Are all of the usual suspects sleeping in this morning?  Taking Dad shopping for crystals?

Even if they got the crystals today to celebrate Father's Day they would be ineffective for a while. You have to bury them in a garden so they realign themselves to pick up positive energies (especially quartz). They need to be underground for at least 4-5 days. For maxim benefit, when you take them out of the soil, put them in a glass (not
pla$tic!) and leave it in the sunshine all day. Drink the water and the crystal will provide its maximum benefits when you use it. Derp.

Or something.

And I totally believe this type of false memory implantation therapy. It should be mandatory for everyone that is a suspect in any crime.

You also forgot to mention that nobody else can touch the crystal at all, not even the slightest touch, as that will disrupt the crystal's harmonic vibration with your life force.  If that happens, you will have to re-tune the crystal.


I didn't think I had to state the obvious.

/I think today is a rose quartz and tiger eye type of day.
 
2013-06-16 11:52:02 AM  

EnglishMan: Janet said: "I have written a book called 'A Stranger In My Life' that's in stores now!

 Well, I'm sure she's not making stuff up to drum up interest in her book at all.


There's a stranger in the house. It took a while to figure out.
 
2013-06-16 12:06:00 PM  
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Not this shiat again.
 
2013-06-16 12:11:16 PM  
gnosis301: Done in one.

I thought his was in 1990? Or was there another?

Also does anyone know a good laundry person that can get crawl space dirt off of a clown suit?
 
2013-06-16 12:18:53 PM  
So she also shot the deputy?
 
2013-06-16 12:34:32 PM  
HA! Bet he won't be trying that again!
 
2013-06-16 12:57:09 PM  

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Done in one.
 
2013-06-16 02:48:20 PM  
Oops! Should I not have done that?

www.technewsdaily.com
 
2013-06-16 03:17:16 PM  
You don't repress painful memories: you literally can't forget them. They don't suddenly come back years later: it takes years before they stop bothering you.

"Somebody did mean things to you. You are a victim. You hurt a whole lot. You need to come back every week for more medication and counseling. And you need to join my lawyer cousin's class action suit."
 
2013-06-16 03:24:48 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: MFAWG: [www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 200x298]

You know, this was making me think how much conservative tv is like what a hypnotist does. Here is an example of a basic routine -

1. Eye fixation - "Okay, I want you to pick a spot on the wall and concentrate on it. As you concentrate on this one point..."
Staring at the tv for hours

2. Telling them how to feel - "Now as you start to relax. You feel happy and relaxed and calm. And relax your neck and your..."
You'll be outraged at what Obama's doing now. I'm angry and you should be too. You'll be furious when you hear what Congress is up to this week.

3. Present confusing information - A common one is telling someone to interlock their fingers, tell them how tight they are while asking them to separate them. The conflicting information works against itself so their hands will remain "stuck" together.
If you watch the shows, they're kinda surreal how weird the information presented is.

4. Give them something they can understand in the midst of confusing instructions - Your name is Spongebob. What's your name?
Gold is a good investment. Call goldline.


lol at democrats these days.

Whatever it takes to get you through the day.
 
2013-06-16 04:44:03 PM  

99.998er: "I'm grateful hypnotherapy gave me the answers I needed. I don't hate Fred - and his family deserve to give him a proper burial."

That is nice of her. In the mean time, she has just written a book detailing how Fred had rapered her twice 30 years ago with very little or no evidence other than what a British version of Sylvia Browne told her. It is good Fred's family finally has closure.


You said "rapered her twice."
 
2013-06-16 05:07:21 PM  

ghostwind: There is also a lot of controversy as to whether or not EMDR is even any more effective than conventional therapies...


Which is a bit like wondering whether homeopathy works better than ear candling.
 
2013-06-16 05:54:21 PM  
Well I think we all know how very valid the practice of uncovering "lost" memories is. Very valid.
 
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