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(Sports Illustrated)   Stephen Jackson on his $3,000,000 fine after notorious Pistons-Pacers melee: "It felt good to punch a fan one time." Hansen Brothers nod in agreement   (tracking.si.com ) divider line
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2013-06-16 01:49:06 AM  
With some of the verbal abuse these guys take, sometimes including things being thrown at them? I'll bet it did feel good to pop a fan, I'll bet it did.

/no regrets
 
2013-06-16 01:53:21 AM  
I was at that game. It was pandemonium
 
2013-06-16 01:57:57 AM  
I can respect the fact that he's at least honest about that. Most people wouldn't say or do half the shiat they do at sporting events in real life. But what else can you really say about it at this point that hasn't been said? The infamous brawl was a veritable whirlwind of (over)reactions and emotions that just... happened. Cooler heads should've prevailed, but they just didn't happen that time. Artest, Jackson and O'neal got caught up in the moment and that was the result. It should not have happened, but it did.
 
2013-06-16 02:05:12 AM  
That was one of Dan Lebatard's best interviews ever.
 
2013-06-16 02:29:50 AM  
mmm. bop to the face
 
2013-06-16 03:24:07 AM  
Hanson had fans?
 
2013-06-16 03:49:58 AM  
If he knew that punching a fan would have cost him $3 million, I bet he wouldn't have done it.
 
2013-06-16 04:04:57 AM  
I understand. I can understand.
 
2013-06-16 04:20:34 AM  
This is why I don't watch basketball.  Well, one of many reasons.
 
2013-06-16 04:45:34 AM  

HotWingAgenda: This is why I don't watch basketball.  Well, one of many reasons.


Yeah, but DUDE, like 500 NFL players ran into the stands last year and started beating the f*ck out of people. Happens ALL THE TIME in football.
 
2013-06-16 05:56:17 AM  

my lip balm addiction: With some of the verbal abuse these guys take, sometimes including things being thrown at them? I'll bet it did feel good to pop a fan, I'll bet it did.

/no regrets



Call me all the names you want and pay me millions to play a game.
 
2013-06-16 07:49:22 AM  

gilberry: That was one of Dan Lebatard's best interviews ever.


I like the addition of Bomani Jones to that show. HQ was always ok but he makes it a good watch imo.
 
2013-06-16 07:56:26 AM  
WOOOOWaaa. Ron Arrest is even dumber than I thought, and that's really saying something. Immediately following the Malice in the Palace, he actually asked if he might get a fine from Stern???
 
2013-06-16 08:05:30 AM  

digistil: WOOOOWaaa. Ron Arrest Arrest is even dumber than I thought, and that's really saying something. Immediately following the Malice in the Palace, he actually asked if he might get a fine from Stern???


/FTFM
 
2013-06-16 08:06:09 AM  

digistil: digistil: WOOOOWaaa. Ron Arrest Arrest ARTEST is even dumber than I thought, and that's really saying something. Immediately following the Malice in the Palace, he actually asked if he might get a fine from Stern???

/FTFM


GDFPOS autocorrect
 
2013-06-16 08:14:04 AM  
I thought he ended up punching the wrong guy in the stands, did I misremember that?
 
2013-06-16 08:58:30 AM  

Errk: my lip balm addiction: With some of the verbal abuse these guys take, sometimes including things being thrown at them? I'll bet it did feel good to pop a fan, I'll bet it did.

/no regrets


Call me all the names you want and pay me millions to play a game.


So we've established you're a whore, we're just negotiating a price now.

Certain things can't be purchased for money, things like dignity and self respect. Being paid a lot to play basketball doesn't mean you have to tolerate drunk jackasses insulting your family and threatening you or throwing shiat at you while you're working.

He shouldn't have done what he did, and he probably didnt even hit the right guy. But some "fans" deserve to get punched in the face. I don't condone it, but I understand, and I don't think getting paid a lot means they have to put up with the bullshiat they do. Mostly from idiots who think "hey he gets paid a lot so I can scream things at him with impunity."
 
2013-06-16 09:23:18 AM  

js34603: So we've established you're a whore, we're just negotiating a price now.


Everybody's a whore.
 
2013-06-16 09:32:41 AM  

js34603: Errk: my lip balm addiction: With some of the verbal abuse these guys take, sometimes including things being thrown at them? I'll bet it did feel good to pop a fan, I'll bet it did.

/no regrets


Call me all the names you want and pay me millions to play a game.

So we've established you're a whore, we're just negotiating a price now.

Certain things can't be purchased for money, things like dignity and self respect. Being paid a lot to play basketball doesn't mean you have to tolerate drunk jackasses insulting your family and threatening you or throwing shiat at you while you're working.

He shouldn't have done what he did, and he probably didnt even hit the right guy. But some "fans" deserve to get punched in the face. I don't condone it, but I understand, and I don't think getting paid a lot means they have to put up with the bullshiat they do. Mostly from idiots who think "hey he gets paid a lot so I can scream things at him with impunity."


Oh, I agree that some fans deserve to be punched in the face, (mostly Steeler fans, but I digress) but part of being a public figure/athlete/celebrity is ignoring them.  He's supposed to be a college-educated professional.   Everybody takes shiat at work, and you can't punch a fan any more than you can punch your regional manager.  And the penalty (termination) should be the same for both.
 
2013-06-16 09:42:09 AM  

Great_Milenko: js34603: Errk: my lip balm addiction: With some of the verbal abuse these guys take, sometimes including things being thrown at them? I'll bet it did feel good to pop a fan, I'll bet it did.

/no regrets


Call me all the names you want and pay me millions to play a game.

So we've established you're a whore, we're just negotiating a price now.

Certain things can't be purchased for money, things like dignity and self respect. Being paid a lot to play basketball doesn't mean you have to tolerate drunk jackasses insulting your family and threatening you or throwing shiat at you while you're working.

He shouldn't have done what he did, and he probably didnt even hit the right guy. But some "fans" deserve to get punched in the face. I don't condone it, but I understand, and I don't think getting paid a lot means they have to put up with the bullshiat they do. Mostly from idiots who think "hey he gets paid a lot so I can scream things at him with impunity."

Oh, I agree that some fans deserve to be punched in the face, (mostly Steeler fans, but I digress) but part of being a public figure/athlete/celebrity is ignoring them.  He's supposed to be a college-educated professional.   Everybody takes shiat at work, and you can't punch a fan any more than you can punch your regional manager.  And the penalty (termination) should be the same for both.


So I'm guessing you're okay with large soccer crowds overseas chanting racial slurs at players and throwing bananas. They should never say anything about it or react at all because they make a lot of money.

If as a fan, you cross the line to where you're talking about things beyond a players performance or throwing things (remember a cup getting thrown started this mess), you deserve getting hit. You say people take shiat at work, but show me a legitimate workplace where personal insults are tolerated.
 
2013-06-16 09:49:09 AM  
Anyone claiming the NBS is just thugball now, I guess never watched the NBA in the 80's. When things like Larry Bird choking Dr. J, or Kevin McHale trying to take Kurt Rambis' head off, or Bill Laimbeer trying to hurt, well, every other opposing player. I was too young to have watched the NBA before the 80's but when I did start watching, there were always bench clearing brawls.
 
2013-06-16 10:05:02 AM  

SpikeStrip: mmm. bop to the face


RedPhoenix122: Hanson had fans?


failuremag.com
 
2013-06-16 10:12:07 AM  

coolio mack: So I'm guessing you're okay with large soccer crowds overseas chanting racial slurs at players and throwing bananas. They should never say anything about it or react at all because they make a lot of money.


Uh, that's not what he said.

The players only have a couple of choices. 1)Either quit and find some other line of work where there's less abuse. 2)Let the Security that's in place deal with the problem. One of the options they should never have is punching a fan(unless they are physically attacked). If you hit a customer in most places of employment you would be fired and your employer would be sued. Why should the pro athletes be any different.

As far as other workplaces that allow abuse, you'd be surprised at what customers can get away with. Try being a cab driver if you don't believe me. Or flipping burgers. Or waiting tables. If it goes beyond a certain point the owner/manager will usually step in and ask the customer to leave. But even then punching a customer is not an option. In fact, saying anything to customer in some places will get you fired, especially if it's not your job. My old boss was a stickler about that and I was too when I had my mechanic shop open.
 
2013-06-16 10:21:02 AM  

draa: gilberry: That was one of Dan Lebatard's best interviews ever.

I like the addition of Bomani Jones to that show. HQ was always ok but he makes it a good watch imo.


If you like that, you should listen to Lebatard's radio show on Thursdays when Bomani is on. It's awkwardly awkward. But it's radio gold.
 
2013-06-16 10:30:35 AM  

RatBomb: I thought he ended up punching the wrong guy in the stands, did I misremember that?


misremember?  i really thought that was a G.W.-ism.  turns out its a real word.  huh.
 
2013-06-16 10:51:37 AM  

RatBomb: I thought he ended up punching the wrong guy in the stands, did I misremember that?


He eventually got the right guy. He was punching a few other fans just to be sure.
 
2013-06-16 10:57:04 AM  
I'm sure Noah wanted to punch the middle finger throwing chick from Miami in the face too. May have been worth the fine there.
 
2013-06-16 11:04:30 AM  

Mr Rogers is aroused: RatBomb: I thought he ended up punching the wrong guy in the stands, did I misremember that?

misremember?  i really thought that was a G.W.-ism.  turns out its a real word.  huh.


You're thinking of "misunderestimated"
 
2013-06-16 11:39:28 AM  
IIRC, the guy who threw the cup at the Palace was a convenience store owner from a wide spot in the road between Saginaw and Flint. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure he's banned for life from attending NBA games.
 
2013-06-16 12:09:57 PM  

digistil: digistil: digistil: WOOOOWaaa. Ron Arrest Arrest ARTEST is even dumber than I thought, and that's really saying something. Immediately following the Malice in the Palace, he actually asked if he might get a fine from Stern???

/FTFM

GDFPOS autocorrect


You have been outsmarted by your phone twice in a row. but you are still smarter than Metta World Peace
 
2013-06-16 12:18:50 PM  

LibertyHiller: IIRC, the guy who threw the cup at the Palace was a convenience store owner from a wide spot in the road between Saginaw and Flint. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure he's banned for life from attending NBA games.



"(John)Green was convicted of misdemeanor assault -- he punched Artest when the player stormed into the crowd at Detroit's Palace of Auburn Hills -- and sentenced to 30 days in jail and two years' probation. He also was ordered to attend Alcoholics Anonymous and anger management counseling, and was banished for life from Detroit's home games."

Interestingly he was acquitted of throwing the cup (diet coke) on Artest but did end up with 3 DUI convictions following the incident. Prior to the brawl he had a conviction for assault on a Michigan woman that put him in prison for 3 years.

Real winner there.
 
rka
2013-06-16 12:31:42 PM  

draa: One of the options they should never have is punching a fan(unless they are physically attacked). If you hit a customer in most places of employment you would be fired and your employer would be sued. Why should the pro athletes be any different.


Because they are worth more to their franchises than your average desk jockey or burger flipper is? I thought this was covered in every thread about athlete's salaries.

You always have the option of punching a customer. May not be the best option for you, but its an option.
 
2013-06-16 12:48:49 PM  

rka: Because they are worth more to their franchises than your average desk jockey or burger flipper is? I thought this was covered in every thread about athlete's salaries.


Also, if drunk people come into your place of work and throw beer at you...most employers...well, they'll probably still fire you. But they're not going to think badly of you for punching 'em.

Anyway, Stephen Jackson is awesome for supporting his teammates to that extent, and you can definitely understand why he'd feel that way, what with what happened to his brother and not being able to be there and all.

/lots of fans deserve to be punched in the face
//if those who actually deserved it DID get punched in the face, games might be much more enjoyable to attend

HotWingAgenda: This is why I don't watch basketball.  Well, one of many reasons.


I hope you don't watch hockey or baseball, either, both of which have had incidents with players going into the stands to assault fans (or throwing things into the stands at fans).
 
2013-06-16 01:04:35 PM  

jmr61: LibertyHiller: IIRC, the guy who threw the cup at the Palace was a convenience store owner from a wide spot in the road between Saginaw and Flint. Not sure, but I'm pretty sure he's banned for life from attending NBA games.


"(John)Green was convicted of misdemeanor assault -- he punched Artest when the player stormed into the crowd at Detroit's Palace of Auburn Hills -- and sentenced to 30 days in jail and two years' probation. He also was ordered to attend Alcoholics Anonymous and anger management counseling, and was banished for life from Detroit's home games."

Interestingly he was acquitted of throwing the cup (diet coke) on Artest but did end up with 3 DUI convictions following the incident. Prior to the brawl he had a conviction for assault on a Michigan woman that put him in prison for 3 years.

Real winner there.


I don't blame Artest in the least. You can't do that kind of shiat, period. It's just too bad that Artest couldn't have kicked EVERYONE'S ass in the stands that night. Keep it classy, Detroit. You were a dump then, and you're a dump now.
 
2013-06-16 01:10:00 PM  

skinink: Anyone claiming the NBS is just thugball now, I guess never watched the NBA in the 80's. When things like Larry Bird choking Dr. J, or Kevin McHale trying to take Kurt Rambis' head off, or Bill Laimbeer trying to hurt, well, every other opposing player. I was too young to have watched the NBA before the 80's but when I did start watching, there were always bench clearing brawls.


Everyone who criticizes it now for being thugball also wistfully laments what used to be in the '80s and '90s.

It's part of why most sane people assume that they're being racist but without the balls to say the words they want to say.

FFS Dwyane Wade wears capris - there are certainly things to make fun of today's basketball players for, but "thuggishness" isn't one of 'em.
 
2013-06-16 01:34:34 PM  

IAmRight: skinink: Anyone claiming the NBS is just thugball now, I guess never watched the NBA in the 80's. When things like Larry Bird choking Dr. J, or Kevin McHale trying to take Kurt Rambis' head off, or Bill Laimbeer trying to hurt, well, every other opposing player. I was too young to have watched the NBA before the 80's but when I did start watching, there were always bench clearing brawls.

Everyone who criticizes it now for being thugball also wistfully laments what used to be in the '80s and '90s.

It's part of why most sane people assume that they're being racist but without the balls to say the words they want to say.

FFS Dwyane Wade wears capris - there are certainly things to make fun of today's basketball players for, but "thuggishness" isn't one of 'em.


This.

People throw the word "thug" at the NBA because it's full of visible black guys with tattoos.

The NFL is full of black guys with tattoos, but they're covered up by jerseys and helmets.
 
2013-06-16 01:36:16 PM  
 skinink Anyone claiming the NBS is just thugball now, I guess never watched the NBA in the 80's. When things like Larry Bird choking Dr. J

To be fair, Dr. J. sucker-punching Bird in the face when his 76'er has Larry restrained is a total punk move in the Laimbeer style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4oF34p3-rQ

"When The Game Was Ours", about the rivalry between Larry Bird & Magic Johnson, is a great read, Bird threatened the NBA if they expanded he'd bail because he felt the quality of play would be affected, & both he & Magic cite "Malice" as an NBA nadir-both amazed their "hometown" teams would get involved in such an out-of control clusterfark.
Obligatory:
www.wizznutzz.com
 
2013-06-16 04:16:21 PM  

fatalvenom: draa: gilberry: That was one of Dan Lebatard's best interviews ever.

I like the addition of Bomani Jones to that show. HQ was always ok but he makes it a good watch imo.

If you like that, you should listen to Lebatard's radio show on Thursdays when Bomani is on. It's awkwardly awkward. But it's radio gold.


I listen to lebatard's show every weekday and thursdays with bomani are my favorires. I heard this interview on the radio show the other day and jackson gives one of the most honest interviews that I've heard from a celebrity.

/sooey
 
2013-06-16 04:36:18 PM  

Dafatone: IAmRight: skinink: Anyone claiming the NBS is just thugball now, I guess never watched the NBA in the 80's. When things like Larry Bird choking Dr. J, or Kevin McHale trying to take Kurt Rambis' head off, or Bill Laimbeer trying to hurt, well, every other opposing player. I was too young to have watched the NBA before the 80's but when I did start watching, there were always bench clearing brawls.

Everyone who criticizes it now for being thugball also wistfully laments what used to be in the '80s and '90s.

It's part of why most sane people assume that they're being racist but without the balls to say the words they want to say.

FFS Dwyane Wade wears capris - there are certainly things to make fun of today's basketball players for, but "thuggishness" isn't one of 'em.

This.

People throw the word "thug" at the NBA because it's full of visible black guys with tattoos.

The NFL is full of black guys with tattoos, but they're covered up by jerseys and helmets.


It's party that, and that the NBA markets their stars over the teams.  You buy tickets to go see LeBron, Kobe, Chris Paul*, Dwight Howard, etc.  And they get the breaks, because that's how their league is set up.  You combine the visibility of the players, with the emphasis on their marketing, and you've got a lot of young players that may not resonate with parts of the sport's audience.  Which makes me curious about the makeup of the audience, and who buys what.

1:  I want to know if what Larry Bird said almost a decade ago is true, was but no longer is true, or was never true:  "the majority of the fans are white America"

2:  With that answered, I would be curious to see a demographic breakdown of merchandise sales.  I'm sure there's a very heterogeneous swath of society buying an individual player's shoes and jerseys, but I have a feeling the ticket sales skew heavily towards the upper socioeconomic strata, that there's far less difference in black and white kids buying the shows but white folks are the ones buying the vast majority of the tickets.

And FFS, the whole "thug" nonsense is kinda silly, when the big thing for the players to do now is dress like the dorkiest member of the high school A/V club.
/not that the word "thug" wasn't a complete racist cop-out to begin with
 
2013-06-16 04:45:34 PM  

draa: One of the options they should never have is punching a fan(unless they are physically attacked).


So getting hit with a thrown object isn't a physical attack?

"Once per season one player from each team should be allowed to pick one fan to come to center court, and then the player should get to beat his ass." -- Charles Barkley

Some people are just dicks. Anyone from a crowd that throws anything at someone else is a coward.
 
2013-06-16 05:21:42 PM  
That was an interesting interview. Having lived 10 minutes from Port Arthur my entire life, he is absolutely spot on about the portrayal of it. Fortunately for me on this personal note, I'm finally getting out of here.
 
2013-06-16 06:41:18 PM  

bionicjoe: So getting hit with a thrown object isn't a physical attack?


Maybe, but you still have to restrain yourself. Like I said, most places have Security on hand to deal with that. Fans can even be arrested if need be. Going off and punching a fan is the dumbest thing a player could do. In this case, $3 million dollars worth of dumb.
 
rka
2013-06-16 08:46:07 PM  

draa: In this case, $3 million dollars worth of dumb.


Some huge percentage of pro athletes are broke 5 years after they retire anyways. So really its either watch your money slip through your fingers via things you can control or things you can't or don't. In any event, you can't take it with you.

I'd punch a fan for $3 million. At least I'd have a good story. Beats watching some sleazy agent/manager and a bunch of hangers on bleed you dry.
 
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