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2013-06-16 04:22:13 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: bunner: SunsetLament: 80% of the country who knows who Sarah Palin is thinks she said "I can see Russia from my house"

Yeah, "you an actually see land in Russia from here in Alaska" bespeaks an incisive political acuity that "from my house" never could.

Noted that you left out the actual ditzy part that the "I can see Russia from my house" line is a parody of.

"They're our next door neighbors"

Because visible over miles of ocean from a remote island and across an international date line is "next door"


The only reason Tina Fey was able to use that as a joke is only because conservative commentators were actually using that as a foreign policy credential for Sarah Palin when she was picked as VP.

It's not Tina Fey's fault that the conservative commentators at Fox provided great material for her to use.
 
2013-06-16 04:27:12 PM
Secret laws, secret courts, secret interpretations of secret orders, secret warrants, secret wiretapping, secret prison...

I love this place!
 
2013-06-16 04:28:13 PM
cptjeff: PKY: Obama accomplishing nothing progressive,

Just a few things liberals ought to be happy with:

Health Care Reform. Not as good as it could or should have been, but a really big farking deal nonetheless.

Destruction of the Health Care System? Even gov't workers bailing from jobs to avoid it? Doctors refusing health care plan? Oh, yeah, a liberal triumph.

Bank Reform. See above.

Yeah, see above. Massive funding for banks, bankrupting the treasury, and nobody goes to jail? Another liberal triumph.

Stopped a Recession from deepening and started a slow recovery, despite massive opposition.

Just like FDR, turned a recession into a Depression. We've tried to spend our way out of a recession twice. First was FDR's Depression, 2nd, THIS.

Saved the US Auto Industry.

Wrong verb. Try "gave it to the unions." Continues to sink, long term.

Dismantled the Minerals Management Service.

BFD. Who cares?

Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Oh, great... a chance for homosexual sexual harassment in the military.

Signed Hate Crimes legislation for crimes targeting LGBT victims.

Who cares? Violence already a crime. This says LGBT are better than others.

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

How's that working out?

Got the VAWA re-authorization passed over significant Republican opposition.

And another -- women are more important than men. When's the "Open season on straight white males" act scheduled?

Dramatically revamped US Foreign Policy to work in a much smarter way.

Seriously? Benghazi is the new model of diplomacy? And, the brand-new, Nobel Peace Prize Winner approved war in Syria. Don't forget that.

Ended the Iraq War

"You didn't end that." That was Bush's plan that Obama finished off.

In the process of ending the Afghanistan War.

Right. And LBJ was in the process of ending the Viet Nam War. Dream on, Jackasses.

Changed US armed engagement strategy from the use of conventional forces to lower impact targeted strikes and special forces missions.

Oh, you mean "pissed off Muslims by cowardly drone strikes on civilians, including children?"

Tried to close Gitmo.

Failed to close Gimo? -- and only had to sign a paper, don't forget. Let's go with "Chose not to close Gitmo."

Ended torture and released the Bush torture memos.

Except for veterans, conservatives, and other deranged individuals.

Negotiated and passed a new SALT Treaty.

Strategic nuclear war not an issue since the fall of USSR. Timely.

New GI Bill

Ah, yes, the "War on Veterans." Outstandingly effective.

Raised taxes on the wealthy while maintaining lower middle class rates

Lied his ass off, raised EVERYONE's taxes, breaking his promise of "not one dime" of new taxes on those making less than $250K.

Increased fuel economy standards and allowed states to raise standards above the Federal level

Kicked the auto industry while it was down.

CO2 ruled to be a pollutant.

Another lie implemented in regulations. Carbon dioxide a pollutant, marijuana a narcotic, Obama an American...

Stricter labor and environmental enforcement within existing free trade agreements.

Kicking ALL industries while they are down.

I'll start caring about what the "both sides are bad so vote third party" people have to say when they stop being stupid. Deal?


This is a horrid list of failures. Saying "YAY!" after each one does NOT make them victories. I'll bet there's an almost identical list somewhere on the RNC site, titled as "Reasons to Impeach." And that list is closer to correct than yours is.
 
2013-06-16 04:32:14 PM

TheBigJerk: "global elite bankers" is a euphamism for Jews.

Not as much these days.


True!  I recent got an email from a Nigerian banker asking my assistance to move billions of dollars in assets!
 
2013-06-16 04:38:05 PM

GeneralJim: Tried to close Gitmo.

Failed to close Gimo? -- and only had to sign a paper, don't forget. Let's go with "Chose not to close Gitmo."



Didn't even bother to read most of your responses, but this one alone tells me you're not worth listening to.

Congress prohibited him from closing Gitmo. You know, the people who make the laws and allocate money? The President is not a dictator.
 
2013-06-16 04:40:19 PM

cptjeff: GeneralJim: Tried to close Gitmo.

Failed to close Gimo? -- and only had to sign a paper, don't forget. Let's go with "Chose not to close Gitmo."


Didn't even bother to read most of your responses, but this one alone tells me you're not worth listening to.

Congress prohibited him from closing Gitmo. You know, the people who make the laws and allocate money? The President is not a dictator.


That one told you that he wasn't worth listening to?

This one was the one that sealed that deal for me:

GeneralJim: Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Oh, great... a chance for homosexual sexual harassment in the military

 
2013-06-16 04:45:44 PM

A Dark Evil Omen:

GeneralJim: LordJiro: There hasn't been a progressive in office for decades. Democrats are center-right authoritarians, while Republicans are extreme-right authoritarians. Just because Fox says every Democrat is the most liberal lib EVAR doesn't make it true.

If Democrats are "center-right" and Republicans are "far-right," then who has made this country about half socialist? The problem is, YOU are a bit to the left of Che Guevara, so EVERYBODY looks like a rightist -- to you.

"Half socialist." In a country with 7% union penetration and mass privatization in every sector of government. You're beyond ridiculous.

Really?  In a hundred years, we went from government spending about 7% of the money to almost exactly half of it.  And, FYI, socialist governments aren't fond of labor unions -- look at the warm reception Lech Walesa got in Poland...
 
2013-06-16 04:48:17 PM
 
2013-06-16 04:49:20 PM

Mrtraveler01: cptjeff: GeneralJim: Tried to close Gitmo.

Failed to close Gimo? -- and only had to sign a paper, don't forget. Let's go with "Chose not to close Gitmo."


Didn't even bother to read most of your responses, but this one alone tells me you're not worth listening to.

Congress prohibited him from closing Gitmo. You know, the people who make the laws and allocate money? The President is not a dictator.

That one told you that he wasn't worth listening to?

This one was the one that sealed that deal for me:

GeneralJim: Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Oh, great... a chance for homosexual sexual harassment in the military


Like I said, didn't read it all, I just glanced at a few of them. You're right, that takes him from "moron" to "worthless excuse for a human being and a complete waste of oxygen".
 
2013-06-16 04:52:50 PM

vygramul:

GeneralJim: ghare: Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

56% of Americans want them to do it. Who is the bootlicker?

YOU are. Do the questions get harder as we go along?

You'd better hope not.

Oh, look, a leftist trying to be insulting.   Let's mark this post, as it clearly has never happened before.
 
2013-06-16 04:56:31 PM

red5ish: NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants

Um, no, they didn't. But thanks for playing.


Needs to be quoted again because apparently it hasn't sunk in yet for the people still posting in this thread.
 
2013-06-16 04:57:17 PM
I hate to give them any more ideas, but how far are we away from this?

www.livingindefinitely.com
 
2013-06-16 04:59:40 PM

SunsetLament: udhq: I'm willing to have a serious discussion about the level of government surveillance that is appropriate, but unfortunately that's not what's happening here.  The people who have become suddenly outraged about government surveillance in the last 2 weeks aren't interested in having this adult discussion, to them, this is just another stick to beat the other side with.

Case in point, after two weeks of media drive poutrage, I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that any surveillance programs have expanded in size or scope under Obama.

You mean other than the NSA's own powerpoint slide that shows the expansion of the program since 2007?


Weird how the Guardian and the Post backtracked completely on that claim.
 
2013-06-16 05:01:31 PM
Gotta love the irony in Republicans saying that Democrats forgive this NSA shiat when 1) Democrats loudly disapprove of this and 2) Republicans are ONLY upset about this now that a Democrat is president.

/Liberal
//Very much against this shiat
 
2013-06-16 05:02:38 PM
Break out of PRISM.

http://prism-break.org/    (SFW)
 
2013-06-16 05:02:38 PM

bunner: Gyrfalcon: If you're that breathtakingly naive past the age of 15, then this kind of thing will shock you unless or until you grow up and accept that the world is much more complex

If you accept a culture wherein "growing up" is tacitly acknowledged as arriving at an age when you accept that 90% of everything is an utter, unfixable, dangerous crock of shiat, the you are promoting a culture that is about as useless as titties on a fish and equates wisdom with accepting the girth of the dick up your ass that is the price of living in it.  And that culture

GeneralJim: LordJiro: There hasn't been a progressive in office for decades. Democrats are center-right authoritarians, while Republicans are extreme-right authoritarians. Just because Fox says every Democrat is the most liberal lib EVAR doesn't make it true.
If Democrats are "center-right" and Republicans are "far-right," then who has made this country about half socialist? The problem is, YOU are a bit to the left of Che Guevara, so EVERYBODY looks like a rightist -- to you.

.  And accepting it is the problem.


I dated a girl who was half socialist once. But apparently it was only the top half, as she kept suppressing my attempts to liberate all her orifices by redistributing my junk into them. She'd also become really oppressive every month during her red scare. Had to break up once her family found out I was half anarchist and a quarter capitalist.
 
2013-06-16 05:05:40 PM

whidbey:

Honestly, if we had thrown every ounce of our support to the Democratic Party, telling the Republicans to fark off and holding Obama et al to a high standard of transparency, this country would be sailing along a lot farther than it is now.

Further down the toilet?   Wonderful.
 
2013-06-16 05:13:08 PM

Halli: SunsetLament: udhq: I'm willing to have a serious discussion about the level of government surveillance that is appropriate, but unfortunately that's not what's happening here.  The people who have become suddenly outraged about government surveillance in the last 2 weeks aren't interested in having this adult discussion, to them, this is just another stick to beat the other side with.

Case in point, after two weeks of media drive poutrage, I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that any surveillance programs have expanded in size or scope under Obama.

You mean other than the NSA's own powerpoint slide that shows the expansion of the program since 2007?

Weird how the Guardian and the Post backtracked completely on that claim.


How do you backtrack completely off of "publishing a document"?  Are they claiming now that it wasn't authored by the NSA?  (HINT: No, they aren't)  Are they claiming that the document was changed or altered in some fashion?  (HINT: No, they aren't)  They photocopied an NSA internal-document and published it on the internet and you're blaming them for quoting what's on the face of the document?  LOL

The stupid thing about this is that both you and I know that the expansion of the program is exactly as outlined on that slide in the powerpoint, but you have to pretend it's not true because it makes the Dear Leader look like donkey shiat ... and no good upstanding liberal can accept the Dear Leader looking like donkey shiat.
 
2013-06-16 05:13:35 PM
Never trust the government.

They are the same assholes that bailed out Wall Street.

It's time for a broom. Sweep the trash out. All of it.
 
2013-06-16 05:17:09 PM
Halli:
Oops.

Amazing.  The media needs to slow the fark down and RTFA.  Politicians need to attend the goddamn NSA briefs before they go regurgitating the media's shiatty, knee-jerk reports as though they heard it in a congressional briefing.

This ZDNet article is proving to be prophetic.  The NSA controversy is telling us very little about the NSA, and a lot about how shiatty and unreliable journalism has gotten.
 
2013-06-16 05:17:28 PM

SunsetLament: Halli: SunsetLament: udhq: I'm willing to have a serious discussion about the level of government surveillance that is appropriate, but unfortunately that's not what's happening here.  The people who have become suddenly outraged about government surveillance in the last 2 weeks aren't interested in having this adult discussion, to them, this is just another stick to beat the other side with.

Case in point, after two weeks of media drive poutrage, I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that any surveillance programs have expanded in size or scope under Obama.

You mean other than the NSA's own powerpoint slide that shows the expansion of the program since 2007?

Weird how the Guardian and the Post backtracked completely on that claim.

How do you backtrack completely off of "publishing a document"?  Are they claiming now that it wasn't authored by the NSA?  (HINT: No, they aren't)  Are they claiming that the document was changed or altered in some fashion?  (HINT: No, they aren't)  They photocopied an NSA internal-document and published it on the internet and you're blaming them for quoting what's on the face of the document?  LOL

The stupid thing about this is that both you and I know that the expansion of the program is exactly as outlined on that slide in the powerpoint, but you have to pretend it's not true because it makes the Dear Leader look like donkey shiat ... and no good upstanding liberal can accept the Dear Leader looking like donkey shiat.


http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42134_Greenwald-_We_never_cl ai med_direct_access_was_true

Also are you still claiming to have worked in the DOJ? Did a single person believe that claim the last time around?
 
2013-06-16 05:18:29 PM

SunsetLament: Halli: SunsetLament: udhq: I'm willing to have a serious discussion about the level of government surveillance that is appropriate, but unfortunately that's not what's happening here.  The people who have become suddenly outraged about government surveillance in the last 2 weeks aren't interested in having this adult discussion, to them, this is just another stick to beat the other side with.

Case in point, after two weeks of media drive poutrage, I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that any surveillance programs have expanded in size or scope under Obama.

You mean other than the NSA's own powerpoint slide that shows the expansion of the program since 2007?

Weird how the Guardian and the Post backtracked completely on that claim.

How do you backtrack completely off of "publishing a document"?  Are they claiming now that it wasn't authored by the NSA?  (HINT: No, they aren't)  Are they claiming that the document was changed or altered in some fashion?  (HINT: No, they aren't)  They photocopied an NSA internal-document and published it on the internet and you're blaming them for quoting what's on the face of the document?  LOL

The stupid thing about this is that both you and I know that the expansion of the program is exactly as outlined on that slide in the powerpoint, but you have to pretend it's not true because it makes the Dear Leader look like donkey shiat ... and no good upstanding liberal can accept the Dear Leader looking like donkey shiat.


You should read this.
 
2013-06-16 05:20:54 PM

ZipSplat: Halli:
Oops.

Amazing.  The media needs to slow the fark down and RTFA.  Politicians need to attend the goddamn NSA briefs before they go regurgitating the media's shiatty, knee-jerk reports as though they heard it in a congressional briefing.

This ZDNet article is proving to be prophetic.  The NSA controversy is telling us very little about the NSA, and a lot about how shiatty and unreliable journalism has gotten.


Yep there might be an interesting debate about the subject. Unfortunately the well is thorougly poisoned by idiots like bsbear, generaljim and sunsetlament.
 
2013-06-16 05:26:46 PM

ZipSplat: SunsetLament: Halli: SunsetLament: udhq: I'm willing to have a serious discussion about the level of government surveillance that is appropriate, but unfortunately that's not what's happening here.  The people who have become suddenly outraged about government surveillance in the last 2 weeks aren't interested in having this adult discussion, to them, this is just another stick to beat the other side with.

Case in point, after two weeks of media drive poutrage, I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that any surveillance programs have expanded in size or scope under Obama.

You mean other than the NSA's own powerpoint slide that shows the expansion of the program since 2007?

Weird how the Guardian and the Post backtracked completely on that claim.

How do you backtrack completely off of "publishing a document"?  Are they claiming now that it wasn't authored by the NSA?  (HINT: No, they aren't)  Are they claiming that the document was changed or altered in some fashion?  (HINT: No, they aren't)  They photocopied an NSA internal-document and published it on the internet and you're blaming them for quoting what's on the face of the document?  LOL

The stupid thing about this is that both you and I know that the expansion of the program is exactly as outlined on that slide in the powerpoint, but you have to pretend it's not true because it makes the Dear Leader look like donkey shiat ... and no good upstanding liberal can accept the Dear Leader looking like donkey shiat.

You should read this.


The New York Times did pretty much the same thing.  But we already new they were Obama's Biatch.

Diff of a news story that shows it was rewritten to reduce the "impact".

http://www.newsdiffs.org/diff/245566/245668/www.nytimes.com/2013/06/ 07 /opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html
 
2013-06-16 05:40:14 PM

OgreMagi: Diff of a news story that shows it was rewritten to reduce the "impact".


The news stories were re-written because Greenwald and to a slightly lesser extent Barton Gellman were basing their reporting off of Edward Snowden's account of what was happening, not off of the evidence that he had given them.  Snowden worked for three months as a network administrator at Kunia RSOC.  He was not a collector or an analyst.  

I worked in SIGINT in the military for five years.  Network administrators keep the computers running, they do not have any more understanding of collection or analysis than an admin at an accounting firm knows about finance.  After Greenwald and Gellman ran with Snowden's version of events, other people with experience in intelligence began speaking out that this is simply not how it works, and Snowden got ahold of what is essentially a very truncated PPT brochure about the program and made some wild assumptions to fill in the gaps about it.

He also portrayed himself as having worked in intelligence himself - he did not.  He has always been the guy that keeps the systems running.  He knows about Windows Group Policy, he doesn't know shiat about SIGINT.  And now people who know better are trying to sweep up the bullshiat he's sprayed everywhere while partisans and other know-nothings continue to smear it everywhere out of fear and desire for political gain and reassurance.
 
2013-06-16 05:45:04 PM

ZipSplat: OgreMagi: Diff of a news story that shows it was rewritten to reduce the "impact".

The news stories were re-written because Greenwald and to a slightly lesser extent Barton Gellman were basing their reporting off of Edward Snowden's account of what was happening, not off of the evidence that he had given them.  Snowden worked for three months as a network administrator at Kunia RSOC.  He was not a collector or an analyst.  

I worked in SIGINT in the military for five years.  Network administrators keep the computers running, they do not have any more understanding of collection or analysis than an admin at an accounting firm knows about finance.  After Greenwald and Gellman ran with Snowden's version of events, other people with experience in intelligence began speaking out that this is simply not how it works, and Snowden got ahold of what is essentially a very truncated PPT brochure about the program and made some wild assumptions to fill in the gaps about it.

He also portrayed himself as having worked in intelligence himself - he did not.  He has always been the guy that keeps the systems running.  He knows about Windows Group Policy, he doesn't know shiat about SIGINT.  And now people who know better are trying to sweep up the bullshiat he's sprayed everywhere while partisans and other know-nothings continue to smear it everywhere out of fear and desire for political gain and reassurance.


Ah, another sock puppet.  You need to stop trying.  We have enough information in hand.  And given the fact that the NSA has basically admitted to everything, your denying it makes you look the fool.
 
2013-06-16 05:47:56 PM

Gyrfalcon:

GeneralJim: ghare: Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

56% of Americans want them to do it. Who is the bootlicker?

YOU are. Do the questions get harder as we go along?

You're the one who by his own admission had access to secure data that should not have been in existence, let alone kept confidential, and you did not make it public; you returned it to your corporate masters. Now that sounds like bootlicking to ME; perhaps you have a different definition of that type of activity.

I was a consultant for the Health Department, and the database of all the state citizens with AIDS was left on a conference table, unencrypted, on a disk, neatly labeled, with nobody in the room.  I picked it up and delivered it to the chief of security, who almost crapped himself.  This was supposedly their "most secure" data.   Right.

This is so choice...  I knew you were an evil little fark, but I had no IDEA you were evil-evil.  Let's recap...

Though the error of some other person, I ended up in posession of a list of the names, addresses, phone numbers, places of employment, and God knows what other personal information about allegedly ALL of the people in the state who tested positive for the AIDS virus.  I give it to Security -- and you call me a boot-licker for that.

So, what you are saying is that I should have released the list of AIDS patients?  Given how I found the data, I'm pretty sure I *COULD* have released the data without ever getting in trouble...  but that would have been an act so evil I simply would have had to kill myself afterwards.  Is this what YOU would have done?  That is so evil, you must piss pure darkness -- and then go all Bear Grylis on it. Jesus -- you creep me the Hell out; I'm all chicken skin, thinking about a nasty little fark like you ruining thousands of lives.

 
2013-06-16 05:48:02 PM

GeneralJim: vygramul: GeneralJim: ghare: Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

56% of Americans want them to do it. Who is the bootlicker?

YOU are. Do the questions get harder as we go along?

You'd better hope not.
Oh, look, a leftist trying to be insulting.   Let's mark this post, as it clearly has never happened before.


He can dish it out, but can't take it. How predictable is that?
 
2013-06-16 05:51:16 PM

vygramul:

GeneralJim: vygramul: GeneralJim: ghare: Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

56% of Americans want them to do it. Who is the bootlicker?

YOU are. Do the questions get harder as we go along?

You'd better hope not.

Oh, look, a leftist trying to be insulting.   Let's mark this post, as it clearly has never happened before.

He can dish it out, but can't take it. How predictable is that?

So, do you just throw out random insults?   Aren't there some AIDS patients you can go out?
 
2013-06-16 05:58:59 PM

GeneralJim: vygramul: GeneralJim: vygramul: GeneralJim: ghare: Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

56% of Americans want them to do it. Who is the bootlicker?

YOU are. Do the questions get harder as we go along?

You'd better hope not.

Oh, look, a leftist trying to be insulting.   Let's mark this post, as it clearly has never happened before.

He can dish it out, but can't take it. How predictable is that?
So, do you just throw out random insults?   Aren't there some AIDS patients you can go out?


Oblivious to his own reality? GeneralJim?

This is my shocked face.
 
2013-06-16 05:59:58 PM
OgreMagi:
Ah, another sock puppet.  You need to stop trying.  We have enough information in hand.  And given the fact that the NSA has basically admitted to everything, your denying it makes you look the fool.

What information do you have?  Be specific.
 
2013-06-16 06:10:35 PM
"I have no idea what is going on, but I will accept anything negative about the government that I hear without question. Only the government could ever mislead me." - way too many people
 
2013-06-16 06:15:53 PM

Mrtraveler01: Vlad_the_Inaner: bunner: SunsetLament: 80% of the country who knows who Sarah Palin is thinks she said "I can see Russia from my house"

Yeah, "you an actually see land in Russia from here in Alaska" bespeaks an incisive political acuity that "from my house" never could.

Noted that you left out the actual ditzy part that the "I can see Russia from my house" line is a parody of.

"They're our next door neighbors"

Because visible over miles of ocean from a remote island and across an international date line is "next door"

The only reason Tina Fey was able to use that as a joke is only because the left doesn't like strong woman.


especially farkers, get me a sandwich, sharp knees, I'd hit that, etc.
they just couldn't bring themselves to nominate Hillary

ftfy.

conservative commentators were actually using that as a foreign policy credential for Sarah Palin when she was picked as VP.

It's not Tina Fey's fault that the conservative commentators at Fox provided great material for her to use.
 
2013-06-16 06:22:50 PM

mainstreet62: WhoopAssWayne: Barack Hussein Obama. Voted in not once but twice by the neoliberal fascist scumbags.

Obama merely got caught with the hot potato while you Republican cocksuckers were busy writing the Patriot Act and accusing him of not being an American, Benghazi, IRS, etc.


Obama extended the Patriot act, so don't pretend that he is just a poor victim in all this.  This is his hot potato now.  He owns it and it has gotten worse.

YOU assholes perpetuated the downward spiral in political discourse.

Funny.  Go tell that to Harry Reid who accused Mitt of not paying taxes for 10 years and never provided proof.

This issue transcends partisan politics. You should be angry at both parties. If you had integrity, you'd vote out R's and D's that went along with this violation of the 4th amendment.

Has a court ruled that it violated the 4th amendment or are you just making stuff up again?

But as you pointed out, you're a partisan hack. Fark you.

Well, well, well, look who is "perpetuating the downward spiral in political discourse".
 
2013-06-16 06:50:51 PM

whidbey:

R.A.Danny: whidbey: R.A.Danny: whidbey: It really doesn't help the cause of progressiveness for its proponents to be divided, and that's what you're doing.

Who gets to define "Progressive"?

You know as well as I do it means becoming less conservative as a society, having a strong social safety net, better education, public health, and yes, it also includes respecting basic rights and entitlements.

Like the First Amendment?
The Second?
The Third?
The Fourth? ...
Well we can at least count on The Third surviving.

Yes, but part of progressing as a society is the acknowledgement that none of these rights are absolute, and are allowed interpretation through judicial review.

No, that is not part of "progressing," that is the destruction of our society.  Progressive, my arse.  I hate to break it to you, but you are NOT a "moderate liberal," as you claim, unless you count Trotsky as a moderate liberal, too.  You are either a hard-left anti-American, or you're just playing one on the 'nets.
 
2013-06-16 06:54:16 PM
It's scary that the USA is considered the moral leaders of the world.
 
2013-06-16 07:02:16 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: It's scary that the USA is considered the moral leaders of the world.


Never mind whether the U.S. ever lived up to that claim, one of the things the Bush administration chose to do was to abandon the ambition of moral leadership when we formally adopted torture, arguing we no longer wanted to achieve the gold standard, but merely be slightly better than our enemies.
 
2013-06-16 07:17:11 PM

VegasVinnie: Secret laws, secret courts, secret interpretations of secret orders, secret warrants, secret wiretapping, secret prison...

I love this place!


Secret lovers
 
2013-06-16 07:23:15 PM

ZipSplat: OgreMagi:
Ah, another sock puppet.  You need to stop trying.  We have enough information in hand.  And given the fact that the NSA has basically admitted to everything, your denying it makes you look the fool.

What information do you have?  Be specific.


Seriously?  You are asking for specifics in a thread discussing the NSA admitting to wrong doing with a link to the actual article?  I've seen people try very hard to avoid the facts, but you might possibly be setting a new standard.
 
2013-06-16 07:27:10 PM

OgreMagi: ZipSplat: OgreMagi:
Ah, another sock puppet.  You need to stop trying.  We have enough information in hand.  And given the fact that the NSA has basically admitted to everything, your denying it makes you look the fool.

What information do you have?  Be specific.

Seriously?  You are asking for specifics in a thread discussing the NSA admitting to wrong doing with a link to the actual article?  I've seen people try very hard to avoid the facts, but you might possibly be setting a new standard.


You might be interested in knowing that this article has already been debunked multiple times in this thread.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/06/jerrold-nadler-does- no t-thinks-nsa-can-listen-us-phone-calls/66278/

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42141_CNET_Updates_Article_C on tinues_to_Make_False_Claims
 
2013-06-16 07:29:43 PM

OgreMagi: ZipSplat: OgreMagi:
Ah, another sock puppet.  You need to stop trying.  We have enough information in hand.  And given the fact that the NSA has basically admitted to everything, your denying it makes you look the fool.

What information do you have?  Be specific.

Seriously?  You are asking for specifics in a thread discussing the NSA admitting to wrong doing with a link to the actual article?  I've seen people try very hard to avoid the facts, but you might possibly be setting a new standard.


The NSA didn't "admit" to anything; cnet went with their own incorrect interpretation of some poorly-phrased remarks. The person who himself made those comments has since clarified that nothing of the sort happened.
 
2013-06-16 07:43:32 PM

Gyrfalcon:

And if you're dumb enough to believe in McDonald's cheeseburgers, then you deserve what you get.
This makes no sense.  McDonalds' cheeseburgers exist - I have personally held them in my hands.  Do you think you were effective when you wished them away?   If so, that would explain a LOT.
 
2013-06-16 07:47:29 PM
bunner:
. . . a culture that is about as useless as titties on a fish and equates wisdom with accepting the girth of the dick up your ass that is the price of living in it. And that culture sucks rhino assflap.

Teach me the art of insult, Sensei...
 
2013-06-16 08:13:12 PM

Halli:

Hmm maybe people should just take a bit of a chill pill. There is probably a reason only CNET is going with this story. I'm guessing they will end up walking this back like how the Guardian and the Post did with a lot of their PRISM reporting.

Yeah, once one is apprised of ALL the pertinent facts, sometimes a retraction just seems like the best idea.

ethicsalarms.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-16 08:13:48 PM

Halli: OgreMagi: ZipSplat: OgreMagi:
Ah, another sock puppet.  You need to stop trying.  We have enough information in hand.  And given the fact that the NSA has basically admitted to everything, your denying it makes you look the fool.

What information do you have?  Be specific.

Seriously?  You are asking for specifics in a thread discussing the NSA admitting to wrong doing with a link to the actual article?  I've seen people try very hard to avoid the facts, but you might possibly be setting a new standard.

You might be interested in knowing that this article has already been debunked multiple times in this thread.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/06/jerrold-nadler-does- no t-thinks-nsa-can-listen-us-phone-calls/66278/

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42141_CNET_Updates_Article_C on tinues_to_Make_False_Claims


Wonder if he will acknowledge those links or just repeat his lies in a future thread?
 
2013-06-16 08:21:32 PM

Jackpot777:

The projection from the [f]right[ened] wing is so strong, you could use the Moon as a screen to show movies with it. They know it directly reflects badly on their lockstep support of the PATRIOT Act, and we know they know it.

Uh, the USA PATRIOT Act passed the Senate 98-1.  The Democrats were in lockstep support of it, too.  It's the act of a lying douchebag to imply that this was a Republican idea.  Fark 'em ALL - with the exception of the vote against it, former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.).  However, it appears, from NSA agent testimony, that under Bush, the excesses of today did NOT take place.  Of course, the USA PATRIOT Act was a horrifically bad idea, even if GWB did not abuse it.  It ALLOWS abuse when the first wanna-be tinhorn dictator, like Obama, gets the Presidency.  Unconstitutional power should not exist.
 
2013-06-16 08:42:11 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: mainstreet62: WhoopAssWayne: Barack Hussein Obama. Voted in not once but twice by the neoliberal fascist scumbags.

Obama merely got caught with the hot potato while you Republican cocksuckers were busy writing the Patriot Act and accusing him of not being an American, Benghazi, IRS, etc.

Obama extended the Patriot act, so don't pretend that he is just a poor victim in all this.  This is his hot potato now.  He owns it and it has gotten worse.

YOU assholes perpetuated the downward spiral in political discourse.

Funny.  Go tell that to Harry Reid who accused Mitt of not paying taxes for 10 years and never provided proof.

This issue transcends partisan politics. You should be angry at both parties. If you had integrity, you'd vote out R's and D's that went along with this violation of the 4th amendment.

Has a court ruled that it violated the 4th amendment or are you just making stuff up again?

But as you pointed out, you're a partisan hack. Fark you.

Well, well, well, look who is "perpetuating the downward spiral in political discourse".


Ahhhh the usual cherry picking of your talking points.

Just remember for each boneheaded move by the D's, there's infinite moves that the GOP went full potato on.

Shame on you for not defending 4th. Why do you hate America?
 
2013-06-16 08:44:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The only reason Tina Fey was able to use that as a joke is only because the left doesn't like strong woman.

especially farkers, get me a sandwich, sharp knees, I'd hit that, etc.
they just couldn't bring themselves to nominate Hillary

ftfy.


Wait.  Strong women?   I thought we were talking about Sarah "Half term? I quit!" Palin.
 
2013-06-16 08:48:11 PM

OgreMagi: Seriously?  You are asking for specifics in a thread discussing the NSA admitting to wrong doing with a link to the actual article?


Well then, they should be very accessible for you, no?
 
2013-06-16 08:49:04 PM

SunsetLament:

udhq: I'm willing to have a serious discussion about the level of government surveillance that is appropriate, but unfortunately that's not what's happening here.  The people who have become suddenly outraged about government surveillance in the last 2 weeks aren't interested in having this adult discussion, to them, this is just another stick to beat the other side with.

Case in point, after two weeks of media drive poutrage, I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that any surveillance programs have expanded in size or scope under Obama.

You mean other than the NSA's own powerpoint slide that shows the expansion of the program since 2007?

If it wasn't in the DNC Talking Points memo, it didn't happen.
 
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