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2013-06-15 11:13:42 PM  

GeneralJim: Gyrfalcon: Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

Well, so much for having a rational discussion on the topic.
Hey, don't let his insensitive comment deter you -- lick away.


[theraf69.files.wordpress.com image 400x400]


Your boots are facing the wrong way.
 
2013-06-15 11:14:16 PM  

cptjeff: OgreMagi: I could go on, but I doubt you actually care because you are happily part of the problem.

I do care about those issues, I just think you're a moron.


So long as you continue to defend the two parties in power, you don't actually care about the problem.  So fark off.
 
2013-06-15 11:14:44 PM  

OgreMagi: cptjeff: OgreMagi: Look at how things were done under Bush. Compare them to how things are now being done under Obama. Do you see a difference? No, you don't.

Yes, I do. I see quite a few differences. Not as many as I'd like to see on this issue, but if you can't see quite a few very major differences between Bush and Obama, then I'm glad you're choosing to remove yourself from even the tiny levels of influence you might have had.

There is no difference where it matters.

We still have the government spying without probably cause.
We're still getting involved in foreign wars that are none of our farking business.
The rich still don't get prosecuted for raping financial institutions for immense profits.
Corporations still control our political process.

I could go on, but I doubt you actually care because you are happily part of the problem.


OK, so what's your SOLUTION? We know the problem, what is the way to SOLVE it?
 
2013-06-15 11:14:56 PM  

Biological Ali: This story was apparently posted seven hours ago, and yet I'm not seeing any mention of it in any major press outlet. Is there any confirmation, or are people just freaking out over nothing again?


People have come to expect the sun to rise in the east. They don't freak out about it.
 
2013-06-15 11:15:09 PM  
I'm astounded that anyone is astounded by this (though looks like not too many on here).

If They Can, They Will
 
2013-06-15 11:15:18 PM  

sendtodave: Why do so many people keep saying "Obama this" and "Bush that?"

This isn't partisan.  Neither party seems to really give two squirts about civil liberties.

Does it really matter which side is "more" to blame?  They're all to blame!

If politics is a horse race, the same stable owns all the horses.


I've been saying that all along.  Which, according to some farkers, makes me a moron.  Who'd of thunk?
 
2013-06-15 11:16:42 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?


They have trouble interceping smoke signals. Too low tech for them to fool with

Thats how i make all my phone calls
 
2013-06-15 11:17:23 PM  

sendtodave: Why do so many people keep saying "Obama this" and "Bush that?"

This isn't partisan.  Neither party seems to really give two squirts about civil liberties.

Does it really matter which side is "more" to blame?  They're all to blame!

If politics is a horse race, the same stable owns all the horses.


Because US politics isn't about the good of the country, its about making sure that MY side beats YOUR side.  sure - the GOP pushed the patriot act thru, knowing it was going to be abused at some point.  And yes, a Democratic president abused the f*ck outta his ability to wiretap damn near anyone anywhere at any time.  Fox news is outraged.  Left wing pundits rush to defend Obama.  But will any of it actually get our privacy rights restored?  oh hells no.

look - we gave up a lot of our rights when we all accepted the patriot act.  well, I didn't accept it but the rest of y'all did.  Anyways, the point here is that our rights are gone.  G-O-N-E.  not coming back.  ever.  the fedgov isn't going to give up its ability to spy on us.  accept it.  And learn from this lesson...anything you give to the government is gone forever.  we don't get it back.  stop giving up what little we've got left.
 
2013-06-15 11:17:25 PM  

pedobearapproved: Lsherm: BullBearMS: In case you've forgotten just what Obama promised us on this...

Candidate Obama debates President Obama on Government Surveillance

What scares me is that Obama was told something AFTER he was elected that clearly changed his mind on this.  What the fark is he told every day in his security briefing?  Has to be some scary shiat.

I've said that about Obama before. There are a lot of things he's done that don't flow with what he said he believed before the first election. I think some of it has to do with "WTF" classified info that he's gotten since being in office, but crap like this and the drone killings, it's too much and far beyond what any administration should be doing.


I suspect one of the motivations is that if he DID get rid of it, and then some terrorist group managed to attack us, the GOP would spend night and day saying that Obama allowed the attack to happen because he got rid of a "vital" national security program. Whether true or not, he'd get hanged over it for the rest of his days.
 
2013-06-15 11:17:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: cptjeff: OgreMagi: Look at how things were done under Bush. Compare them to how things are now being done under Obama. Do you see a difference? No, you don't.

Yes, I do. I see quite a few differences. Not as many as I'd like to see on this issue, but if you can't see quite a few very major differences between Bush and Obama, then I'm glad you're choosing to remove yourself from even the tiny levels of influence you might have had.

There is no difference where it matters.

We still have the government spying without probably cause.
We're still getting involved in foreign wars that are none of our farking business.
The rich still don't get prosecuted for raping financial institutions for immense profits.
Corporations still control our political process.

I could go on, but I doubt you actually care because you are happily part of the problem.

OK, so what's your SOLUTION? We know the problem, what is the way to SOLVE it?


I already stated my solution.  Stop voting for democrats or republicans.  Vote third party.  I don't care which third party, just don't vote for a D or an R.  It doesn't even have to be enough people to win the election.  It just needs to be a significant enough number of votes to get the attention of the people running for office.  It will tell them, "I'm mad as hell" etc.  Maybe then they'll start working for us again.
 
2013-06-15 11:18:00 PM  

Tanuki no Kintama: Here's the exchange the article is based on:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4456141


I'm skeptical that this exchange is conclusive proof of the article's claim. Smells like click-whoring.
 
2013-06-15 11:19:03 PM  
Gyrfalcon:

OK, so what's your SOLUTION? We know the problem, what is the way to SOLVE it?

We all know what the solution is, but to write it here would get us arrested.
 
2013-06-15 11:19:20 PM  

Jacobin: insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?

They have trouble interceping smoke signals. Too low tech for them to fool with

Thats how i make all my phone calls


Gaelic Sign Language!

/Sorry to the NSA grunt that now has to learn Gaelic Sign Language
//a little
 
2013-06-15 11:19:41 PM  

YodaBlues: CSB Time: I was a van driver for the Ragnar Relay Race in Niagara/Ontario this weekend and this was the logo we had taped to the side of our van:

[i.imgur.com image 850x833]

The Border Patrol did not seem amused.


Citizen 35036, if you shooped that, I can neither confirm nor deny that you will soon be called upon to do something with it.
 
2013-06-15 11:20:48 PM  
content.internetvideoarchive.com
 
2013-06-15 11:21:37 PM  

LordJiro: The surveillance was already established, but Bush cemented it with the PATRIOT act. And at the time, liberals were TELLING you cowardly shiatheads that, once given this power, the government would never get rid of it.


Most "liberals"  in power voted for the Patriot Act.   Just about everyone did.

So, apparently, the Democratic party doesn't represent liberals.

Why vote for it?
 
2013-06-15 11:21:58 PM  

ipsofacto: Tanuki no Kintama: Here's the exchange the article is based on:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4456141

I'm skeptical that this exchange is conclusive proof of the article's claim. Smells like click-whoring.


You're not allowed to reserve judgment.
 
2013-06-15 11:22:23 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?



sıɥʇ ǝʞıן sǝnbınɥɔǝʇ noıʇdʎɹɔnǝ ʇǝɹɔǝs nɹɐǝן oʇ dǝǝn noʎ
 
2013-06-15 11:22:36 PM  

Jacobin: insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?

They have trouble interceping smoke signals. Too low tech for them to fool with

Thats how i make all my phone calls


At one time you could type a note on your e-mail, hit send later, then someone else could log in on your account and read the unsent letter. They couldn't trace it because you never sent it. I'm sure it's busted now.
 
2013-06-15 11:22:49 PM  

sendtodave: LordJiro: The surveillance was already established, but Bush cemented it with the PATRIOT act. And at the time, liberals were TELLING you cowardly shiatheads that, once given this power, the government would never get rid of it.

Most "liberals"  in power voted for the Patriot Act.   Just about everyone did.

So, apparently, the Democratic party doesn't represent liberals.

Why vote for it?


*sigh* Because then you just Nader-ize a Bush into the Oval Office.
 
2013-06-15 11:22:57 PM  
 
2013-06-15 11:23:24 PM  

Herb Utsmelz:

Late to the topic but I don't farking care about any privacy breaches.  They can snoopity snoop all they want.  Whatever they find they can use against me.  Yep.  I said it.  And they'd better hurry up.  I have thirty years to live at most.

Come at me motherf&ckers.  The fear is nonexistent.

*CLICK*

2.bp.blogspot.com
Challenge Accepted
 
2013-06-15 11:23:24 PM  
I work for the government. I'm an analyst for FEMA. F*ck it, I need to work for these guys. The info you get access to is much cooler.
 
2013-06-15 11:23:34 PM  

GeneralJim: djkutch: Bin Laden got every thing he wanted. Good job, America.

And, for the bootlickers mentioned by Nabb1, it starts with the Patriot Act. Obama isn't innocent, but please remember the administration and party that was in power that started it all.
Personally, I prefer to remember the candidate who promised to end it, and extended and deepened it instead. Besides that, the USA PATRIOT Act passed the House 357 to 66, and passed the Senate by 98 to 1. Truly bipartisan bullshiat, despite your need to blame Bush.


So, you admit it was mistake, pre-Obama?
 
2013-06-15 11:23:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: cptjeff: OgreMagi: Look at how things were done under Bush. Compare them to how things are now being done under Obama. Do you see a difference? No, you don't.

Yes, I do. I see quite a few differences. Not as many as I'd like to see on this issue, but if you can't see quite a few very major differences between Bush and Obama, then I'm glad you're choosing to remove yourself from even the tiny levels of influence you might have had.

There is no difference where it matters.

We still have the government spying without probably cause.
We're still getting involved in foreign wars that are none of our farking business.
The rich still don't get prosecuted for raping financial institutions for immense profits.
Corporations still control our political process.

I could go on, but I doubt you actually care because you are happily part of the problem.

OK, so what's your SOLUTION? We know the problem, what is the way to SOLVE it?


I wish I knew. It requires a political solution, and unfortunately our political system isn't functioning properly. The levers of power aren't connected to anything.
 
2013-06-15 11:24:03 PM  
www.libertynews.comhttp://www.libertynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/obama-nixon.jp g


Even the Liberals can see Obama is no better than Nixon.
 
2013-06-15 11:25:40 PM  
uber humper
Nope. We live in a democracy where this can come to light and be criticized in the open.

Due to the efforts of people who are branded as traitors and have indictments cooked up against them in record time

It can be fixed

Not through the system that caused it.
 
2013-06-15 11:26:02 PM  

sendtodave: LordJiro: The surveillance was already established, but Bush cemented it with the PATRIOT act. And at the time, liberals were TELLING you cowardly shiatheads that, once given this power, the government would never get rid of it.

Most "liberals"  in power voted for the Patriot Act.   Just about everyone did.

So, apparently, the Democratic party doesn't represent liberals.

Why vote for it?


You would ask a party shill that question?

Corn_Fed: pedobearapproved: Lsherm: BullBearMS: In case you've forgotten just what Obama promised us on this...

Candidate Obama debates President Obama on Government Surveillance

What scares me is that Obama was told something AFTER he was elected that clearly changed his mind on this.  What the fark is he told every day in his security briefing?  Has to be some scary shiat.

I've said that about Obama before. There are a lot of things he's done that don't flow with what he said he believed before the first election. I think some of it has to do with "WTF" classified info that he's gotten since being in office, but crap like this and the drone killings, it's too much and far beyond what any administration should be doing.

I suspect one of the motivations is that if he DID get rid of it, and then some terrorist group managed to attack us, the GOP would spend night and day saying that Obama allowed the attack to happen because he got rid of a "vital" national security program. Whether true or not, he'd get hanged over it for the rest of his days.


If he keeps his word to us, somebody might criticize him isn't the genius excuse you seem to think it is.
 
2013-06-15 11:26:32 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?


i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-15 11:26:57 PM  

Corn_Fed: pedobearapproved: Lsherm: BullBearMS: In case you've forgotten just what Obama promised us on this...

Candidate Obama debates President Obama on Government Surveillance

What scares me is that Obama was told something AFTER he was elected that clearly changed his mind on this.  What the fark is he told every day in his security briefing?  Has to be some scary shiat.

I've said that about Obama before. There are a lot of things he's done that don't flow with what he said he believed before the first election. I think some of it has to do with "WTF" classified info that he's gotten since being in office, but crap like this and the drone killings, it's too much and far beyond what any administration should be doing.

I suspect one of the motivations is that if he DID get rid of it, and then some terrorist group managed to attack us, the GOP would spend night and day saying that Obama allowed the attack to happen because he got rid of a "vital" national security program. Whether true or not, he'd get hanged over it for the rest of his days.




After AG Holder's Fast&Furious campaign to send guns to Mexican drug lords, a couple of white kids blowing up a marathon would hardly affect Obama's approval rating.
 
2013-06-15 11:27:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I could go on, but I doubt you actually care because you are happily part of the problem.

OK, so what's your SOLUTION? We know the problem, what is the way to SOLVE it?


His solution is to vote for some as yet unknown third party that will magically be able to change things despite being able to win exactly zero elections.

OgreMagi: So long as you continue to defend the two parties in power, you don't actually care about the problem. So fark off.


I'm not defending them. I'm saying that thanks to the structure of our system, no third party is ever going to be able to influence it significantly. Basic game theory, if you have a Weeners the post system, you get two parties. As a simple practical matter, if you want to change the system, you have to work through that two party structure, and that means changing one or both of the parties from within. And achieving that is actually realistic.
 
2013-06-15 11:27:19 PM  

Corn_Fed: sendtodave: LordJiro: The surveillance was already established, but Bush cemented it with the PATRIOT act. And at the time, liberals were TELLING you cowardly shiatheads that, once given this power, the government would never get rid of it.

Most "liberals"  in power voted for the Patriot Act.   Just about everyone did.

So, apparently, the Democratic party doesn't represent liberals.

Why vote for it?

*sigh* Because then you just Nader-ize a Bush into the Oval Office.


Right now, I'm not finding the alternative to be all that great, either.
 
2013-06-15 11:28:29 PM  
images.politico.com

"I would not have allowed this, but you called me a racist and bat shiat crazy. So deal with it."
 
2013-06-15 11:29:00 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Hey, I got a few skids of paranoia, hyperbole and Nazi Germany metaphors on the 18 wheeler out front. Someone is going to have to sign for it before it gets unloaded on this thread.


At least it's not floorload, I'm not unloading that shiat.  I'll take Nazi Metaphors for $800 Alex.
 
2013-06-15 11:29:12 PM  

Mock26: I really cannot figure out why people are so upset by all these activities by the NSA.  Seriously, what is the big deal?  They are NOT interested in your personal information.  They are not trying to catch people breaking the law.  All they care about is Setec Astronomy.  They are just trying to improve our understanding of the stars.  So all you paranoid conspiracy theorists just need to lighten up.


Are you a troll, incredibly stupid, incredibly naive , or an incredibly stupid naive troll?
 
2013-06-15 11:29:26 PM  

RanDomino: uber humper
Nope. We live in a democracy where this can come to light and be criticized in the open.

Due to the efforts of people who are branded as traitors and have indictments cooked up against them in record time


its interesting, isn't it?  the people who expose the lies, corruption and dirty politics are reviled, branded traitors and punished harshly.  and nobody really seems to care.  we just sit here on the 'net, pontificating, watching NCIS and pirating copies of 'Game of Thrones'.  meanwhile bankers still millions, our government loots and pillages our communication records, and congress does nothing but toss political footballs between various factions.

I wonder how much longer we can last?  are we going to survive the 21st century?
 
2013-06-15 11:29:36 PM  
HempHead:
Even the Liberals can see Obama is no better than Nixon.

Nixon got caught spying on ONE office in ONE city.  Can you imagine if this same information came out then?  He would have been hung.  If Obama did the exact same thing today Nixon did then, it wouldn't even make the news on FOX.
 
2013-06-15 11:29:54 PM  
NavajoCode Talkers of WW II didn't worry about anyone listening to them !
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/navajocodetalk.htm
 
2013-06-15 11:31:03 PM  

Weaver95: I honestly don't understand how/why anyone is surprised at this....


They've been in a coma for the last decade?
 
2013-06-15 11:31:41 PM  

cptjeff: Gyrfalcon: I could go on, but I doubt you actually care because you are happily part of the problem.

OK, so what's your SOLUTION? We know the problem, what is the way to SOLVE it?

His solution is to vote for some as yet unknown third party that will magically be able to change things despite being able to win exactly zero elections.


Well, it has happened before.

But say we keep betting on the same two teams.  How do we put pressure on them to actually work for us, and not for themselves?

There's been a real shift, where government now seems to see the people as something to be managed, not something to be feared.  We're no longer the boss of our own government.  We're China-lite.
 
2013-06-15 11:32:17 PM  

Bucky Katt: Weaver95: I honestly don't understand how/why anyone is surprised at this....

They've been in a coma for the last decade?


I guess so.
 
2013-06-15 11:32:53 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Eat a bag of dicks.


s3.amazonaws.com

Don't mind if I do! :)
 
2013-06-15 11:33:13 PM  

Parthenogenetic: You people don't get it.  We NEED this kind of surveillance to protect America from terrorists.

There are sinister people out there, who have infiltrated our society and live among us, pretending to be law-abiding, freedom-loving Americans.

They will not rest until America, land of the free and home of the brave, ceases to exist as we know it.

But enough about the NSA, you should be scared of the terrorists.  BOOGA BOOGA


If we really cared about saving lives we would direct the NSA to install security cameras in every shower so they can send help when people slip and fall. More people die from slipping in the shower every year than in the last 10 via terrorist.
 
2013-06-15 11:33:15 PM  

sendtodave: Corn_Fed: sendtodave: LordJiro: The surveillance was already established, but Bush cemented it with the PATRIOT act. And at the time, liberals were TELLING you cowardly shiatheads that, once given this power, the government would never get rid of it.

Most "liberals"  in power voted for the Patriot Act.   Just about everyone did.

So, apparently, the Democratic party doesn't represent liberals.

Why vote for it?

*sigh* Because then you just Nader-ize a Bush into the Oval Office.

Right now, I'm not finding the alternative to be all that great, either.


That's been my argument all along.  It doesn't make any difference, so you should truly vote your conscious even (especially?) if it's for a third party.
 
2013-06-15 11:33:16 PM  
Before you GOP shills start spiking the football over this, ask yourself who actually pushed for the apparatus in the first place, the sort of cloth he is cut from and the two most recent republicans to run for the POTUS.

John McCain and Romney would have been doing this as well.  The issue is not republican or democrat, but big government.  You're all welcome
 
2013-06-15 11:33:40 PM  

Walter Paisley: Lsherm: BullBearMS: In case you've forgotten just what Obama promised us on this...

Candidate Obama debates President Obama on Government Surveillance

What scares me is that Obama was told something AFTER he was elected that clearly changed his mind on this.  What the fark is he told every day in his security briefing?  Has to be some scary shiat.

He was brought into a smoke-filled room and shown a video of the Kennedy assassination from an angle the public hasn't seen.

[media.tumblr.com image 480x288]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ (NSFW)


Honestly, there's got to be something like this - I mean, how can one person completely change the way they view the world SO completely and quickly?
 
2013-06-15 11:34:57 PM  

cptjeff: Gyrfalcon: I could go on, but I doubt you actually care because you are happily part of the problem.

OK, so what's your SOLUTION? We know the problem, what is the way to SOLVE it?

His solution is to vote for some as yet unknown third party that will magically be able to change things despite being able to win exactly zero elections.

OgreMagi: So long as you continue to defend the two parties in power, you don't actually care about the problem. So fark off.

I'm not defending them. I'm saying that thanks to the structure of our system, no third party is ever going to be able to influence it significantly. Basic game theory, if you have a Weeners the post system, you get two parties. As a simple practical matter, if you want to change the system, you have to work through that two party structure, and that means changing one or both of the parties from within. And achieving that is actually realistic.


Pretty much. Oh, and to heap scorn and abuse on anyone who dares to suggest the problem is much more complex than BSABSVT and will take a lot more than outrage and neckbeards to change.
 
2013-06-15 11:35:18 PM  
Can or does the NSA listen to phones without warrants? I don't know. But if you are concluding that from this video exchange you are retarded.
 
2013-06-15 11:35:23 PM  

sendtodave: cptjeff: Gyrfalcon: I could go on, but I doubt you actually care because you are happily part of the problem.

OK, so what's your SOLUTION? We know the problem, what is the way to SOLVE it?

His solution is to vote for some as yet unknown third party that will magically be able to change things despite being able to win exactly zero elections.

Well, it has happened before.

But say we keep betting on the same two teams.  How do we put pressure on them to actually work for us, and not for themselves?

There's been a real shift, where government now seems to see the people as something to be managed, not something to be feared.  We're no longer the boss of our own government.  We're China-lite.


first everyone needs to stop arguing L/R and trying to get their team to win and for the first time in a long time actually try to fix the problems even if it means some true give and take.
 
2013-06-15 11:35:49 PM  

djkutch: GeneralJim: djkutch: Bin Laden got every thing he wanted. Good job, America.

And, for the bootlickers mentioned by Nabb1, it starts with the Patriot Act. Obama isn't innocent, but please remember the administration and party that was in power that started it all.
Personally, I prefer to remember the candidate who promised to end it, and extended and deepened it instead. Besides that, the USA PATRIOT Act passed the House 357 to 66, and passed the Senate by 98 to 1. Truly bipartisan bullshiat, despite your need to blame Bush.

So, you admit it was mistake, pre-Obama?


And the evidence that domestic warrantless (before or after) wiretaps was occurring before Obama is ...?
 
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