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2013-06-15 10:36:22 PM

bunner: Herb Utsmelz: Nothing anyone says here matters.

Said the man posting over and over.  I hope you got more of this drivel cause it's a pretty slow day, here.   :  )


Just bored.  This may be the final one before knapsack time.  Thanks everybody. ;-)
 
2013-06-15 10:37:28 PM

Herb Utsmelz: bunner: Herb Utsmelz: Nothing anyone says here matters.

Said the man posting over and over.  I hope you got more of this drivel cause it's a pretty slow day, here.   :  )

Just bored.  This may be the final one before knapsack time.  Thanks everybody. ;-)


Buenas Snowshoes
 
2013-06-15 10:37:30 PM
Let me repeat.  VOTE THIRD PARTY.  I don't care which third party.  Just stop farking voting for democrats and republicans.

And for you idiots who say, "Oh, noes! That would destroy our entire political system."  YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT IT WOULD.  That's called a feature.  Causing a complete collapse of the existing political process is a damn sight better than armed insurrection.
 
2013-06-15 10:37:52 PM
So what arse hole leaked this info from a classified hearing?
 
2013-06-15 10:38:42 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: VOTE REPUBLICAN
so NSA wiretapping can go back to not being a scandal!


That's odd.

The Democrats, including our President, were all very clear that it was a scandal under Bush.

Strangely, the vast majority of them stopped thinking so as soon as Obama was the one doing it.

Thankfully we still have Issa, Wyden, Gore and the like to keep them the party from looking like total farkwits.

Their just mostly farkwits.
 
2013-06-15 10:39:33 PM

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.


For the uninitiated, this is called, "Poisoning the Well."
 
2013-06-15 10:39:51 PM

OgreMagi: Let me repeat.  VOTE THIRD PARTY.  I don't care which third party.  Just stop farking voting for democrats and republicans.

And for you idiots who say, "Oh, noes! That would destroy our entire political system."  YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT IT WOULD.  That's called a feature.  Causing a complete collapse of the existing political process is a damn sight better than armed insurrection.


Looks like we got us a reader, boys.
 
2013-06-15 10:40:10 PM

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.


Just start cc'ing public­af­fa­i­rs[nospam-﹫-backwards]asn­*gov on all your emails, it saves them the trouble of getting them from your provider.
 
2013-06-15 10:40:13 PM

shut_it_down: So they have their hands on all of our data... all of it.  They can see who we're calling and when, and now we know for sure that they can even listen in to our phone calls and access our emails and text messages all without our knowing, oh and by the way, they can save it all for later just in case.  The President is on board with this, Congress is on board with this, and the secret courts have OK'd this.  Even if we could sue in the public federal courts (where there's no guarantee that we would have standing) both W and Obama approved civil and criminal immunity.

Good lord we're screwed.


Nah.  The important thing here is that Presidents of both major political parties presided over this.  OBAMA DID IT! BUSH DID IT! OBAMA DID IT! BUSH DID IT! RABBIT SEASON! DUCK SEASON!

Everyone can be outraged that the other guy did it, while asserting that their guy can be trusted to use these powers responsibly.

Politicians can exploit some outrage, PAC scammers can solicit funds to stop the other guys from wiretapping, and while we fight over politics the national security apparatus, which persists no matter which political party is in charge and is accountable to no voter, will continue to merrily go about its business, awaiting the firm hand of a leader with the will and audacity to use it to its full extent.
 
2013-06-15 10:40:39 PM

BullBearMS: Strangely, the vast majority of them stopped thinking so as soon as Obama was the one doing it.


Actually early on in his administration Obama put a stop to certain non-warranted NSA activities.
 
2013-06-15 10:40:56 PM
"You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it."
   - Scott McNealy, CEO of Sun Microsystems, 1999
 
2013-06-15 10:40:57 PM

bunner: Lee Jackson Beauregard: VOTE REPUBLICAN  No.


How?  By voting libertarian?  I've been doing that for a couple decades.  The R's and D's lie about it to get elected, and then make excuses for supporting it.  The D's get pissed when the R's do it.  The R's get pissed when the D's do it.  But when it comes down to it, our elected officials all vote to keep their power.   What do you define as a 'No' vote?  Not voting at all?
 
2013-06-15 10:42:25 PM

blacksho89: "Nobody's listening to your phone calls."


THIS.  Keep farking that chicken, obama.  glad gitmo is closed.  good job putting all of those monsanto folks in governmental power, too.  It is pretty interesting to see how well somebody lies pandering to good ideas only to get elected and switch to lies to cover up how farked up this country is.
 
2013-06-15 10:42:26 PM

findthefish: So what arse hole some patriot leaked this info from a classified hearing? remembered that the oath of office is to defend and protect the Constitution.

 
2013-06-15 10:43:09 PM

feckingmorons: Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

Just start cc'ing publicaffairs

img.fark.netnsa.gov on all your emails, it saves them the trouble of getting them from your provider.

It would be hilarious if a large number of people started doing that, as a protest.
 
2013-06-15 10:43:12 PM

0x1a4: What do you define as a 'No' vote?  Not voting at all?


How about 70% of the population just writes in "Jesus of Nazareth" and see if he shows up?  Even if he doesn't, it'd be better than this.
 
2013-06-15 10:43:42 PM

bunner: OgreMagi: Let me repeat.  VOTE THIRD PARTY.  I don't care which third party.  Just stop farking voting for democrats and republicans.

And for you idiots who say, "Oh, noes! That would destroy our entire political system."  YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT IT WOULD.  That's called a feature.  Causing a complete collapse of the existing political process is a damn sight better than armed insurrection.

Looks like we got us a reader, boys.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-06-15 10:44:12 PM
Bu-bu-but Bush!

LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!!!

jamiedubs.com

/Bush isn't President, you farking retards
//Do everyone a favor and kill yourselves
 
2013-06-15 10:44:47 PM

bunner: 0x1a4: What do you define as a 'No' vote?  Not voting at all?

How about 70% of the population just writes in "Jesus of Nazareth" and see if he shows up?  Even if he doesn't, it'd be better than this.


Well, I'll go with he ain't gonna show.  But yeah, I agree it would still be better!
 
2013-06-15 10:45:34 PM
I already gave my permission to listen, anybody else???
 
2013-06-15 10:45:59 PM

Nabb1:

I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

Yeah...  SOMEONE (not me) should check the day-old thread bin to see who was justifying this fascism on the basis that "only metadata was collected, and that's legal."
 
2013-06-15 10:46:28 PM

0x1a4: bunner: 0x1a4: What do you define as a 'No' vote?  Not voting at all?

How about 70% of the population just writes in "Jesus of Nazareth" and see if he shows up?  Even if he doesn't, it'd be better than this.

Well, I'll go with he ain't gonna show.  But yeah, I agree it would still be better!


What are you talking about. Jesus is always on time. 9 am every Sunday. Then by noon he's done with the yard and roses.
 
2013-06-15 10:46:28 PM
We all have every reason to be upset.  The sad thing is I doubt any of us are really surprised.  Wouldn't you be more surprised to find out the NSA didn't have this capability?
 
2013-06-15 10:46:29 PM

BullBearMS: djkutch: BullBearMS: SunsetLament: There is nothing in the Patriot Act that authorizes this. Absolutely nothing. This is complete Executive branch overreach and violation of Constitutional rights.

This.

Nothing in the Patriot Act, or in the rewritten FISA law allows them to wiretap Americans without getting a warrant.

Obama has created a secret interpretation of the law and kept it from the American people.

Just as Bush had a secret interpretation of the law that he claimed would allow torture.

For more than two years, a handful of Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee have warned that the government is secretly interpreting its surveillance powers under the Patriot Act in a way that would be alarming if the public - or even others in Congress - knew about it.

On Thursday, two of those senators - Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado - went further. They said a top-secret intelligence operation that is based on that secret legal theory is not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained.

The senators, who also said that Americans would be "stunned" to know what the government thought the Patriot Act allowed it to do

Thanks for being on the Democrats side.

Aside from the libertarians, it's extremely difficult to find anyone on the right in Congress even willing to criticize this. Much less call it blatantly unconstitutional as Senator Gore has done.

The author of the Patriot Act did come forward to say that nothing in the Patriot Act authorizes warrantless spying.


Cripes, even AL FRANKEN defended this! WTF??? I mean, are we actually surrounded by people that are SO bent on our destruction that we have to - ah, fark it, I can't even imagine a scenario that would justify this...
 
2013-06-15 10:46:35 PM

pinktaco4lunch: Surprised?


nope
 
2013-06-15 10:46:49 PM

OgreMagi: Let me repeat.  VOTE THIRD PARTY.  I don't care which third party.  Just stop farking voting for democrats and republicans.

And for you idiots who say, "Oh, noes! That would destroy our entire political system."  YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT IT WOULD.  That's called a feature.  Causing a complete collapse of the existing political process is a damn sight better than armed insurrection.


No, the issue, and why everybody with a even the slightest understanding of how this stuff works thinks you're in idiot, is that it wouldn't do a damned thing to our political system. Voting for a third party wastes your vote, nothing else. It does not make a statement- the people you would be trying to make a statement to do not pay attention or care. the only thing it can ever do is increase the odds of the major party candidate you would find to be the most distasteful.

Put your energy into major party primaries and fermenting public debate. What issues we're talking about and how we're talking about them matters.
 
2013-06-15 10:47:03 PM
Hbo newsroom had episode about this... The NSA dude killed himself in the episode.
 
2013-06-15 10:47:19 PM

WhyteRaven74: BullBearMS: Strangely, the vast majority of them stopped thinking so as soon as Obama was the one doing it.

Actually early on in his administration Obama put a stop to certain non-warranted NSA activities.


Apparently not.
 
2013-06-15 10:47:49 PM
You know what metadata is without the accompanying content?  A DNA sample with nothing to match it to.  The collect all of it or  they're dense as dirt.
 
2013-06-15 10:47:52 PM
Headline about 50 years late.   BWahahahahahahaha!!!!!
 
2013-06-15 10:48:33 PM

WhyteRaven74: BullBearMS: Strangely, the vast majority of them stopped thinking so as soon as Obama was the one doing it.

Actually early on in his administration Obama put a stop to certain non-warranted NSA activities.


Apparently not, since he came up with a secret interpretation of the law allowing the NSA to wiretap everyone without a warrant.
 
2013-06-15 10:48:57 PM

cptjeff: you're in an idiot,


What an excellent phrase for a typo.
 
2013-06-15 10:49:28 PM
Obama didn't start it, so fark the fourth amendment.
 
2013-06-15 10:50:05 PM
The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.

fark you! And tomorrow's 'acknowledgement' will be that they record ALL CALLS, domestic and foreign. Keep those shoes dropping, you farks.
 
2013-06-15 10:50:20 PM

LordJiro: A Dark Evil Omen: LordJiro: And there is precisely DICK any of us can do about it.

Not true. There is plenty that can be done. If you mean "there's no one to vote for", that is true, but voting does not actually qualify as "doing anything".

What do you suggest?


Withdraw support for the capitalist state as much as possible. Trade or share instead of purchasing things, when you can. Pay cash when you can, buy and sell under the counter when you can. Try to work with co-ops and labor unions; keep the decisions, information and money associated with your work local. Any way you can make money not go into the government or capitalist structures, do it.

No, it doesn't immediately dismantle the national security state, but it does take some of your information out and helps undermine all of the structures that enable and create it. It will take a lot of people withdrawing support for the systems to start failing, but every person who starts making the effort... well, that's one step closer.
 
2013-06-15 10:50:38 PM

0x1a4: How?  By voting libertarian?  I've been doing that for a couple decades.  The R's and D's lie about it to get elected, and then make excuses for supporting it.  The D's get pissed when the R's do it.  The R's get pissed when the D's do it.  But when it comes down to it, our elected officials all vote to keep their power.   What do you define as a 'No' vote?  Not voting at all?


The solution might be in voting for non-establishment candidates within the Republican or Democratic party. Before the primaries, there are usually one or two candidates that the party leadership has deemed the "real" candidate(s), and everybody else is fringe. Start supporting these "insurgent" candidates in the major parties if you agree with them.
 
2013-06-15 10:51:00 PM
uber humper:
What are you talking about. Jesus is always on time. 9 am every Sunday. Then by noon he's done with the yard and roses.

But illegal aliens aren't allowed to have an opinion.  Sub-humans, yadda yadda..
 
2013-06-15 10:51:46 PM

bunner: You know what metadata is without the accompanying content?  A DNA sample with nothing to match it to.  The collect all of it or  they're dense as dirt.


This thread isn't about metadata. What are you talking about?
 
2013-06-15 10:51:51 PM

cptjeff: OgreMagi: Let me repeat.  VOTE THIRD PARTY.  I don't care which third party.  Just stop farking voting for democrats and republicans.

And for you idiots who say, "Oh, noes! That would destroy our entire political system."  YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT IT WOULD.  That's called a feature.  Causing a complete collapse of the existing political process is a damn sight better than armed insurrection.

No, the issue, and why everybody with a even the slightest understanding of how this stuff works thinks you're in idiot, is that it wouldn't do a damned thing to our political system. Voting for a third party wastes your vote, nothing else. It does not make a statement- the people you would be trying to make a statement to do not pay attention or care. the only thing it can ever do is increase the odds of the major party candidate you would find to be the most distasteful.

Put your energy into major party primaries and fermenting public debate. What issues we're talking about and how we're talking about them matters.


Standard sock puppet answer.  It will waste your vote, so you must vote for a republican/democrat.

No, it doesn't farking waste my vote.  There is no chance in hell I will ever again vote for a democrat or republican.  Because voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.  I will vote my conscious and not care if it swings to vote for some criminal with a D or R after his name, because it doesn't farking matter which one wins.  You get the same result.

Look at how things were done under Bush.  Compare them to how things are now being done under Obama.  Do you see a difference?  No, you don't.  Because they both work for the same farking party.  The "we have the power so fark the people" party.

You are part of the problem.  You help perpetuate the lie that a third party vote is a waste and a bad thing.  You've been brainwashed into believing that shiat and you help pass along "the one true message."  People like you are pathetic tools.
 
2013-06-15 10:51:55 PM
Imagine the outrage if a Republican was in office. That's why you should vote Republican. Nixon got shiatcanned for bugging an office.
 
2013-06-15 10:51:59 PM

Daraymann: Obama didn't start it, so fark the fourth amendment.


Neither did Bush, for the record.  Go back about 50 years.
 
2013-06-15 10:52:27 PM
"I don't feel like I'm being bent over the sink."

"You feel that?  That?  There?  That's you being bent over the sink and boned up the bottom."

"It feels normal."

"They sort of count on that."
 
2013-06-15 10:52:42 PM

cameroncrazy1984:

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.

I ain't gonna be one of 'em.


chan.catiewayne.com
 
2013-06-15 10:52:45 PM

Evil High Priest: The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.

fark you! And tomorrow's 'acknowledgement' will be that they record ALL CALLS, domestic and foreign. Keep those shoes dropping, you farks.


You're right, every few days it get's worse and worse.  But at least we're getting closer to the truth. But god damn, how can anyone have any trust in the government.  I still have some trust in the system but the players I cannot believe a word from.
 
2013-06-15 10:52:50 PM

cptjeff: No, the issue, and why everybody with a even the slightest understanding of how this stuff works thinks you're in idiot, is that it wouldn't do a damned thing to our political system.


Horse shait.

The last time the rich owned both parties happened in America's Gilded Age.

It turned out that once the people abandoned the two traditional parties, those parties had a choice between becoming irrelevant and cleaning up their act.

It worked just fine, for a while anyway.

Now the filthy rich own both parties again, so it's time to abandon them again.
 
2013-06-15 10:53:35 PM
That's unpossible.

Dozens of fark-tards have sworn the obama administration is just noting the time stamp of calls and not listening to the content.

I'm sure they have the integrity to now step forward and admit they are naive tw*ts.

Just like they did when they were wrong about the boston bomber being a tea-party member.
Just like they did when they were wrong about the Family Resource Center shooter being a tea-party member.
Just like they did when they were wrong about the TX IRS building attacker being a tea-party member.
Just like they did when they were wrong about the Family Resource Center shooter wasn't a tea-party member.
Just like they did when they were wrong about claiming their obamessiah would never renew the patriot act.
Just like they did when they were wrong about claiming obama's batfe was not selling guns to drug lords.

etc...etc...etc...
 
2013-06-15 10:53:40 PM

umad: Bu-bu-but Bush!

LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!!!

[jamiedubs.com image 316x316]

/Bush isn't President, you farking retards
//Do everyone a favor and kill yourselves


The surveillance was already established, but Bush cemented it with the PATRIOT act. And at the time, liberals were TELLING you cowardly shiatheads that, once given this power, the government would never get rid of it.

The PATRIOT act was probably our last chance to deal any sort of lasting damage to the surveillance state. We should have fought it. Instead, we let them exploit our fear of 'terrorists' to put the final nail in privacy's coffin.
 
2013-06-15 10:53:43 PM

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.


56% of Americans want them to do it. Who is the bootlicker?
 
2013-06-15 10:54:03 PM

0x1a4: uber humper:
What are you talking about. Jesus is always on time. 9 am every Sunday. Then by noon he's done with the yard and roses.

But illegal aliens aren't allowed to have an opinion.  Sub-humans, yadda yadda..


Not Superman.  He's an illegal alien and an Ubermensch .
 
2013-06-15 10:54:07 PM
Look, I don't like it more than anyone else, but if we don't allow this slight intrusion on our privacy, do you know what would happen? JONES would come back!!! Comrades, don't you remember how terrible it was when Jones was running thing???

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