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2013-06-15 10:13:22 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Popcorn Johnny: This is in no way Obama's fault, the President is only to blame for crap like this when a Republican is in the White House.

This is only Obama's fault, the President is only to blame for crap like this when a Democrat is in the White House herp herp derp HERP DERP HERP DERPDERPDERP!

Dumbass.


Yeah, Bush should totally pull rank on Obama on this.
 
2013-06-15 10:13:25 PM  

omg bbq: Oh gee, well if they take it to their heart every day then I guess you should just carry on.


Think they may have employed this guy:

www.the-stockyard.com
 
2013-06-15 10:13:49 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: Corn_Fed: If Nadler is revealing this info, from a classifed briefing, is he breaking any law? Is he legally able to disclose this?

He's on a plane to Hong Kong right now. This will end well.


Wasn't he just calling Obama the "The biggest con man," or something to that effect?
 
2013-06-15 10:14:00 PM  

OgreMagi: Lsherm: BullBearMS: In case you've forgotten just what Obama promised us on this...

Candidate Obama debates President Obama on Government Surveillance

What scares me is that Obama was told something AFTER he was elected that clearly changed his mind on this.  What the fark is he told every day in his security briefing?  Has to be some scary shiat.

No. He's a politician. He told you what you wanted to hear so he could get your vote.  He never had any intention of keeping his promises.


I'm pretty sure I've flamed you in a partisan way, and that I strongly disagree with a lot of your political stances, but I just wanted to say

www.makegooglemyhomepage.info
 
2013-06-15 10:14:51 PM  
Obviously there is a role for the NSA or some intelligence gathering organization in the debate about national security.  However, the picture being painted is not what makes a "free society" and when an analyst can just decide to listen in on a call without someone being held accountable, things have gone entirely too far.

The NSA predates both Presidents Bush and Obama and those that choose to focus the debate on either of these gentlemen are hijacking the debate and ensuring that the current abuses continue.

IMO, the annual Congressional August "work period" should be cancelled.  The Patriot Act should be repealed and replaced by a very minimal-basic National Security Act.  During the August session, members of the House and Senate would have 10 days to introduce provisions to add to the National Security Act which would be available online for everyone to have access to read.  The last 15 days of the month would be dedicated to debate each individual provision-no amendments allowed.  This way each member would be on record for each vote they take, no hiding behind multiple provisions to explain a bad one getting through to be part of the new law.
 
2013-06-15 10:14:54 PM  

0x1a4: Can we please stop pretending that this is an R vs D issue?  It is a Constitution civil and human rights vs corrupt bastards running this country issue.  It is way past time to stand up for our Constitution civil and human rights.  It's probably too late.  We are sheep.


Step 0: Stop fetishizing government.
 
2013-06-15 10:14:57 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?


Talking someplace private
 
2013-06-15 10:15:28 PM  

SunsetLament: DeathByGeekSquad: I am strongly against the method by which the politician chose to bring this 'information' to light.  He asked targeted questioning with the intent of trapping the individual under question to respond in a way which enabled their own specific paraphrasing of events.  Until the actual transcript of the classified briefing is released, this is all based on the commentary of a politician, who was 'startled'.

There are many ways to interpret that information, and if someone makes a presentation behind close doors that you personally don't agree with, releasing the information in this fashion gives YOU the ultimate control over how that information is perceived UNTIL such a time as the other parties decide to speak openly about it.  If they have already concluded that they cannot be more open without creating issues, that effectively gives ONE person the power to manipulate the situations perspective in any manner they wish.

Would you put it past a politician to manipulate a situation for personal gain?  I personally wouldn't.

Tough tits.  Nadler is an elected federal official accusing the Executive branch of intentionally violating the Constitutional rights of a massive portion of the country.  It's the entire point of the Legislative branch's oversight powers.


If he were doing that, he would be going about it in an entirely different fashion, not bringing it up during an Oversight Hearing concerning the FBI.  He required Mueller as bait, and used his response as a soapbox.  Why would someone with authority, armed with facts, be forced to go about it in such a fashion?
 
2013-06-15 10:15:59 PM  

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.


Upset?  Yeah, but what makes anybody think that the President could've said "End it." and it would've?
 
2013-06-15 10:16:06 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Mock26: I really cannot figure out why people are so upset by all these activities by the NSA.  Seriously, what is the big deal?  They are NOT interested in your personal information.  They are not trying to catch people breaking the law.  All they care about is Setec Astronomy.  They are just trying to improve our understanding of the stars.  So all you paranoid conspiracy theorists just need to lighten up.

Would you mind terribly if every so often, while you were away from your home, that the local police used their personal copy of your house key to enter your house, do a quick look-see to see if you were growing any pot plants, and then left without touching anything?


If it was all just part of a movie then I would have absolutely no problem with it.
 
2013-06-15 10:16:18 PM  
Here's the exchange the article is based on:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4456141
 
2013-06-15 10:16:37 PM  

OgreMagi: Lsherm: BullBearMS: In case you've forgotten just what Obama promised us on this...

Candidate Obama debates President Obama on Government Surveillance

What scares me is that Obama was told something AFTER he was elected that clearly changed his mind on this.  What the fark is he told every day in his security briefing?  Has to be some scary shiat.

No. He's a politician. He told you what you wanted to hear so he could get your vote.  He never had any intention of keeping his promises.


This

Lying politician is lying

Remember when he claimed the Bush tax cuts for the rich "offended his conscious"?

He was sure willing to fight like hell for them when they finally expired.

Twice.

The second time, he made them permanent.

/IF WE LET THEM EXPIRE IT'S THE FISCAL CLIFF!!!!11!
 
2013-06-15 10:16:58 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: This is in no way Obama's fault


For once you're absolutely correct. Note the date on the article.

That being said although he didn't start it, Obushma needs to be the one that ends it.
 
2013-06-15 10:16:58 PM  
Well now we are starting to have to eat the shiat sandwich that both progressives and hard right paranoids have made for all of us to eat up. Hard right used fear and progressives used the promises of "equality" and "fairness" and here we are. Two sides of the same messed up totalitarian coin. Now we just need a Nixon or JFK to get in office and the full power of the totalitarian infrastructure will be wielded. Thanks a lot guys. I fear for the country we have left our children.
 
2013-06-15 10:17:17 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: LordJiro: And there is precisely DICK any of us can do about it.

Not true. There is plenty that can be done. If you mean "there's no one to vote for", that is true, but voting does not actually qualify as "doing anything".


What do you suggest?
 
2013-06-15 10:17:18 PM  

BullBearMS: SunsetLament: There is nothing in the Patriot Act that authorizes this. Absolutely nothing. This is complete Executive branch overreach and violation of Constitutional rights.

This.

Nothing in the Patriot Act, or in the rewritten FISA law allows them to wiretap Americans without getting a warrant.

Obama has created a secret interpretation of the law and kept it from the American people.

Just as Bush had a secret interpretation of the law that he claimed would allow torture.

For more than two years, a handful of Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee have warned that the government is secretly interpreting its surveillance powers under the Patriot Act in a way that would be alarming if the public - or even others in Congress - knew about it.

On Thursday, two of those senators - Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado - went further. They said a top-secret intelligence operation that is based on that secret legal theory is not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained.

The senators, who also said that Americans would be "stunned" to know what the government thought the Patriot Act allowed it to do


Thanks for being on the Democrats side.
 
2013-06-15 10:18:56 PM  
Didn't this get shut down in 2007?
If it really is still on again, we need to get a little vocal...
 
2013-06-15 10:19:07 PM  
On a related note, I really, really hope there are a few indictments for lying to Congress coming down soon. Mueller for that little exchange, the Director of the NSA for that bit a while ago when he said, under oath, that the NSA was not collecting data in Americans. I think that one was in response to a direct question from Wyden very obviously targeted at the programs that are now public.
 
2013-06-15 10:19:51 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Late to the topic but I don't farking care about any privacy breaches.  They can snoopity snoop all they want.  Whatever they find they can use against me.  Yep.  I said it.  And they'd better hurry up.  I have thirty years to live at most.

Come at me motherf&ckers.  The fear is nonexistent.


The mindset of one who does not care about the safety and security of others?

Hey guy, it isn't just about you and your life. Folks should respect the privacy of others, and a good government would do the same.

This is not what a good government would do, and no, it isn't really about partisan parties. It's actually about bad people abusing power entrusted to them by good people. What is happening here is wrong. It's gone on for decades and it is wrong no matter who authorizes it, and as importantly, by who allows it.
 
2013-06-15 10:20:21 PM  

walkingtall: Well now we are starting to have to eat the shiat sandwich that both progressives and hard right paranoids have made for all of us to eat up. Hard right used fear and progressives used the promises of "equality" and "fairness" and here we are. Two sides of the same messed up totalitarian coin. Now we just need a Nixon or JFK to get in office and the full power of the totalitarian infrastructure will be wielded. Thanks a lot guys. I fear for the country we have left our children.


There hasn't been a progressive in office for decades. Democrats are center-right authoritarians, while Republicans are extreme-right authoritarians. Just because Fox says every Democrat is the most liberal lib EVAR doesn't make it true.
 
2013-06-15 10:20:26 PM  

uber humper: Mock26: I really cannot figure out why people are so upset by all these activities by the NSA.  Seriously, what is the big deal?  They are NOT interested in your personal information.  They are not trying to catch people breaking the law.  All they care about is Setec Astronomy.  They are just trying to improve our understanding of the stars.  So all you paranoid conspiracy theorists just need to lighten up.

It;s that the information can be misused.  Used against political opponents, journalists, ex-wives, whoever.

Not to mention  foreign nationals are furious. You think the French are happy with PRISM, the Swiss, the Palestinians?


Misused?  Never.  Robert Redford, Sidney Poitier, Dan Aykroyd, River Phoenix, and David Strathairn made sure of that.
 
2013-06-15 10:20:39 PM  

uber humper: Herb Utsmelz: Late to the topic but I don't farking care about any privacy breaches.  They can snoopity snoop all they want.  Whatever they find they can use against me.  Yep.  I said it.  And they'd better hurry up.  I have thirty years to live at most.

Come at me motherf&ckers.  The fear is nonexistent.

It's not about you.


Corn_Fed: Herb Utsmelz: Late to the topic but I don't farking care about any privacy breaches.  They can snoopity snoop all they want.  Whatever they find they can use against me.  Yep.  I said it.  And they'd better hurry up.  I have thirty years to live at most.

Come at me motherf&ckers.  The fear is nonexistent.

That's nice for you. The rest of us don't consent, but since you have, I'll direct the authorities to conduct a weekly search of your house. Just to be sure.


You two are darling.
 
2013-06-15 10:21:05 PM  
www.paranormalpeopleonline.com i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-15 10:23:24 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: Herb Utsmelz: Late to the topic but I don't farking care about any privacy breaches.  They can snoopity snoop all they want.  Whatever they find they can use against me.  Yep.  I said it.  And they'd better hurry up.  I have thirty years to live at most.

Come at me motherf&ckers.  The fear is nonexistent.

The mindset of one who does not care about the safety and security of others?

Hey guy, it isn't just about you and your life. Folks should respect the privacy of others, and a good government would do the same.

This is not what a good government would do, and no, it isn't really about partisan parties. It's actually about bad people abusing power entrusted to them by good people. What is happening here is wrong. It's gone on for decades and it is wrong no matter who authorizes it, and as importantly, by who allows it.


Go ahead.  Whip yourself into a froth.  When it's over, the government will do what it wants and I'll be calm.
 
2013-06-15 10:23:57 PM  
I hope they hire a 50 million more low level analysts so that every phone call can be monitored in real time.  Maybe then I will finally stop pissing my pants in fear of a terror attack.  I mean, it's not like I have better chance of slipping when I get out of the shower every morning and bleeding out on the floor.
 
2013-06-15 10:24:03 PM  

blacksho89: "Nobody's listening to your phone calls."


President Obama said exactly that on June 7.  Let's see the White House explain how that wasn't a flat-out lie.
 
2013-06-15 10:24:52 PM  

djkutch: BullBearMS: SunsetLament: There is nothing in the Patriot Act that authorizes this. Absolutely nothing. This is complete Executive branch overreach and violation of Constitutional rights.

This.

Nothing in the Patriot Act, or in the rewritten FISA law allows them to wiretap Americans without getting a warrant.

Obama has created a secret interpretation of the law and kept it from the American people.

Just as Bush had a secret interpretation of the law that he claimed would allow torture.

For more than two years, a handful of Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee have warned that the government is secretly interpreting its surveillance powers under the Patriot Act in a way that would be alarming if the public - or even others in Congress - knew about it.

On Thursday, two of those senators - Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado - went further. They said a top-secret intelligence operation that is based on that secret legal theory is not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained.

The senators, who also said that Americans would be "stunned" to know what the government thought the Patriot Act allowed it to do

Thanks for being on the Democrats side.


Aside from the libertarians, it's extremely difficult to find anyone on the right in Congress even willing to criticize this. Much less call it blatantly unconstitutional as Senator Gore has done.

The author of the Patriot Act did come forward to say that nothing in the Patriot Act authorizes warrantless spying.
 
2013-06-15 10:25:23 PM  
To: Mom
CC: Drew Curtis
BCC: NSA

My poop was brown and firm today, both times.  My a** is recovering nicely from the rough toilet paper incident from last week and I hope to finish my  Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator in the next couple days, at which time I will blow up the earth.
 
2013-06-15 10:25:38 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: the government will do what it wants


We started this joint on a simple premise.  "We, the government, the people".  We.  Us.  We say what goes and you mooks clock in nd relay the message.  Guess what happened.
 
2013-06-15 10:25:47 PM  

jpo2269: However, the picture being painted is not what makes a "free society" and when an analyst can just decide to listen in on a call without someone being held accountable, things have gone entirely too far.


Unfortunately this is how things are done all over the place. When I was a consultant, almost every large company or government agency I worked for had their databases wide open. In some cases there were a few restrictions in place on which employees could access the databases directly but anyone with database access was able to get into almost anything. I can think of only two exceptions: one was a law firm that kept a small amount of information about current cases tightly controlled (though we did find an unencrypted Access database on the webserver full of credit card numbers in a public directory) and the headquarters of Home Depot, which kept data locked down pretty well. Almost everyone else was wide open internally. A few made me sign an NDA but I'm sure most would rather I simply not have access to their medical files in the first place. Rarely did I not have access to tons of databases filled with things totally unrelated to what I was working on. Digital information security in general is a joke.
 
2013-06-15 10:25:51 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: 0x1a4: Can we please stop pretending that this is an R vs D issue?  It is a Constitution civil and human rights vs corrupt bastards running this country issue.  It is way past time to stand up for our Constitution civil and human rights.  It's probably too late.  We are sheep.

Step 0: Stop fetishizing government.


Isn't the Constitution about civil and human rights?  Particularly the Bill of Rights?  The Constitution outlined what the government COULD do, the Bill of Rights was what they COULD NOT do.  Civil and human rights were very much intended.  I don't disagree that is what it's about.  I am pointing to the defining document of this country where it defines those very things.  Trust me, I am far from any 'fetishing' of our government.
 
2013-06-15 10:25:55 PM  

LordJiro: There hasn't been a progressive in office for decades. Democrats are center-right authoritarians, while Republicans are extreme-right authoritarians. Just because Fox says every Democrat is the most liberal lib EVAR doesn't make it true.


Bullcrap. There is nothing center right about the current platforms and policies of the Democrats. You simply claim they are center right because as most extreme progressives the Democrats don't go far enough. It is all about power. The far left wants it for their agenda. The far right wants it for their agenda. That much power concentrated in govt is always bad. Has never been and never will be good. It has to stop.
 
2013-06-15 10:26:41 PM  
 
2013-06-15 10:27:13 PM  

bunner: you mooks clock in nd relay the message


I understand, but WHUT
 
2013-06-15 10:27:22 PM  
Well, I guess there's nothing left for anyone to do except play their saxophone.

criticalmassesmedia.com
 
2013-06-15 10:27:33 PM  

bunner: Herb Utsmelz: the government will do what it wants

We started this joint on a simple premise.  "We, the government, the people".  We.  Us.  We say what goes and you mooks clock in nd relay the message.  Guess what happened.


He gets of on pulling your chain
 
2013-06-15 10:27:45 PM  
So they have their hands on all of our data... all of it.  They can see who we're calling and when, and now we know for sure that they can even listen in to our phone calls and access our emails and text messages all without our knowing, oh and by the way, they can save it all for later just in case.  The President is on board with this, Congress is on board with this, and the secret courts have OK'd this.  Even if we could sue in the public federal courts (where there's no guarantee that we would have standing) both W and Obama approved civil and criminal immunity.

Good lord we're screwed.
 
2013-06-15 10:28:45 PM  
I'm actually kind of surprised that there are still people that act surprised when this stuff gets public... but I guess I shouldn't be.

People on both sides of the political spectrum are still just ignorant as shiat.
 
2013-06-15 10:29:24 PM  

uber humper: He gets of on pulling your chain


It's fark.  Nothing anyone says here matters.
 
2013-06-15 10:29:39 PM  

djkutch: Thanks for being on the Democrats side.


There aren't any democrats, there aren't any republicans, there are no liberals or conservatives.

Stop that.

It's silly.

There's the sock puppet on this hand and the sock puppet on that hand and that's IT.  Stop being a sucker.
 
2013-06-15 10:29:39 PM  

shut_it_down: So they have their hands on all of our data... all of it.  They can see who we're calling and when, and now we know for sure that they can even listen in to our phone calls and access our emails and text messages all without our knowing, oh and by the way, they can save it all for later just in case.  The President is on board with this, Congress is on board with this, and the secret courts have OK'd this.  Even if we could sue in the public federal courts (where there's no guarantee that we would have standing) both W and Obama approved civil and criminal immunity.

Good lord we're screwed.


Nope. We live in a democracy where this can come to light and be criticized in the open. It can be fixed
 
2013-06-15 10:31:14 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: uber humper: He gets of on pulling your chain

It's fark.  Nothing anyone says here matters.


And here I was thinking that I could get you to pull my chain, and you pull this cold, sweating palm bullshiat
 
2013-06-15 10:31:39 PM  
"This guy sure likes porno!"
 
2013-06-15 10:31:50 PM  
VOTE REPUBLICAN
so NSA wiretapping can go back to not being a scandal!
 
2013-06-15 10:32:03 PM  

uber humper: He gets of on pulling your chain


Yeah, yank, yank, ow.  woo.
 
2013-06-15 10:32:42 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?


Yes, in Klingon Sign Language deep in a cave with no lights, but even then you have to do it slowly, otherwise the subtle air currents created by your gestures may be picked up by sensors from the spy satellites overhead.
 
2013-06-15 10:33:18 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Pro-tip to the teahadists: most liberals are angry at Obama over this, just as we were angry at Bush. For those of you who are only now "outraged" about this since a brown guy is in the White House, and didn't give a f*ck when this entire program began under Bush because "MURKA!!!", sorry, you have no right to an opinion. Eat a bag of dicks.


This type of activity didn't begin under Bush.

/google Echelon
 
2013-06-15 10:33:39 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Nothing anyone says here matters.


Said the man posting over and over.  I hope you got more of this drivel cause it's a pretty slow day, here.   :  )
 
2013-06-15 10:34:17 PM  
So who's going to jail? My bet is on a congressman that leaked information from a classified briefing.

/has another Victory Gin
 
2013-06-15 10:34:49 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: VOTE REPUBLICAN  No.

 
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