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(C|Net)   NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants   (news.cnet.com) divider line 781
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2013-06-15 09:42:44 PM
Surprised?
 
2013-06-15 09:43:57 PM
Color me shocked...
 
2013-06-15 09:44:13 PM
"NSA Director Keith Alexander says his agency's analysts, which until recently included Edward Snowden among their ranks, take protecting "civil liberties and privacy and the security of this nation to their heart every day."

Oh gee, well if they take it to their heart every day then I guess you should just carry on.
 
2013-06-15 09:44:19 PM
I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.
 
2013-06-15 09:45:15 PM
Well, that is an excellent excuse for every dictator and wannabe out there, from China to Bulgaria to do the same.
 
2013-06-15 09:45:22 PM
Hey, I got a few skids of paranoia, hyperbole and Nazi Germany metaphors on the 18 wheeler out front. Someone is going to have to sign for it before it gets unloaded on this thread.
 
2013-06-15 09:45:34 PM
Not surprised. The government has overstepped its power for decades and no one has been too interested in stopping it. Find me a candidate who will bring the NSA and FBI to heel without also being an anti-establishment nutcase and I'll vote for him.
 
2013-06-15 09:45:40 PM
"Nobody's listening to your phone calls."
 
2013-06-15 09:45:56 PM
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2013-06-15 09:46:15 PM
Don't you god damn GET IT!!! These people take IT TO THEIR HEARTS EVERY GOD DAMN DAY!!!!

MOVE
ALONG.
 
2013-06-15 09:46:37 PM
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2013-06-15 09:47:04 PM
Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?
 
2013-06-15 09:47:16 PM
Not to be all "But Bush" but didn't we know this already?
 
2013-06-15 09:47:21 PM
This is in no way Obama's fault, the President is only to blame for crap like this when a Republican is in the White House.
 
2013-06-15 09:47:43 PM

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.


Conference call w/Journolist now, give em a sec.
 
2013-06-15 09:48:06 PM
Duh.
It's the NSA.  They've been doing that for decades.
 
2013-06-15 09:48:08 PM
I'm waiting for the fark sock puppets to stop sucking Obama's peener long enough to admit they were wrong.

I wont' hold my breath.
 
2013-06-15 09:48:10 PM
In case you've forgotten just what Obama promised us on this...

Candidate Obama debates President Obama on Government Surveillance
 
2013-06-15 09:48:11 PM
Only two things I want to know ...

1.  When did this particular policy start? and
2.  The government explanation how this does not violate the fourth amendment.
 
2013-06-15 09:48:31 PM

blacksho89: "Nobody's listening to your phone calls."


That's what I am hoping Snowden and Greenwald are doing. They release the most innocuous stuff first to get the powers-that-be to say publicly that "That's the extent of the surveillance", and then drop the more alarming stuff that demonstrates that the NSA and others lie, lie, lie.
 
2013-06-15 09:49:24 PM

SunsetLament: Only two things I want to know ...

1.  When did this particular policy start? and
2.  The government explanation how this does not violate the fourth amendment.


1. The day the telephone was invented.
2. What Constitution?
 
2013-06-15 09:49:34 PM

insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?


Two cups and a string.

/I think.
 
2013-06-15 09:49:35 PM
 
2013-06-15 09:49:38 PM

insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
 
2013-06-15 09:50:05 PM

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.


I ain't gonna be one of 'em.
 
2013-06-15 09:50:08 PM
Democrats tell Liberals to "shut up you are giving the GOP a win" to make them stop talking about this government overreach. Republicans are pretty solidly against him and tell their base to "shut up you are being partisan" to those who speak up against this.

Notice a pattern? Both the GOP and Dems are telling everyone to shut up, and that says something.
 
2013-06-15 09:50:16 PM

OgreMagi: I'm waiting for the fark sock puppets to stop sucking Obama's peener long enough to admit they were wrong.

I wont' hold my breath.


But, but, but..

The Government can't possibly afford hard disks to store the data!
 
2013-06-15 09:50:23 PM

Popcorn Johnny: This is in no way Obama's fault, the President is only to blame for crap like this when a Republican is in the White House.


This is only Obama's fault, the President is only to blame for crap like this when a Democrat is in the White House herp herp derp HERP DERP HERP DERPDERPDERP!

Dumbass.
 
2013-06-15 09:50:37 PM
If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

Wait... from where is this argument coming from? Surely he means "without any other legal authorization 'sought'" rather than "required".
 
2013-06-15 09:50:54 PM
Given the gun-jumping that usually abounds with NSA stories, I'm betting what was actually meant by "can" in the meeting was that an analyst isn't physically prevented from accessing domestic communications prior to court authorization.  But that doesn't tacitly mean they are authorized to.
 
2013-06-15 09:51:10 PM

cman: Democrats tell Liberals to "shut up you are giving the GOP a win" to make them stop talking about this government overreach. Republicans are pretty solidly for this and tell their base to "shut up you are being partisan" to those who speak up against this.

Notice a pattern? Both the GOP and Dems are telling everyone to shut up, and that says something.


HOLY fark wow Preview isnt the Add Comment button
 
2013-06-15 09:51:15 PM

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.


Yep. Here you are, trixi
 
2013-06-15 09:51:24 PM
I really cannot figure out why people are so upset by all these activities by the NSA.  Seriously, what is the big deal?  They are NOT interested in your personal information.  They are not trying to catch people breaking the law.  All they care about is Setec Astronomy.  They are just trying to improve our understanding of the stars.  So all you paranoid conspiracy theorists just need to lighten up.
 
2013-06-15 09:51:54 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dumbass.


You sure are.
 
2013-06-15 09:51:55 PM

Popcorn Johnny: This is in no way Obama's fault, the President is only to blame for crap like this when a Republican is in the White House.


I know it's shocking that the president might do something congress has apparently authorized him to do. You'll get over it.


insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?


Carrier chickens.
 
2013-06-15 09:52:24 PM
Pro-tip to the teahadists: most liberals are angry at Obama over this, just as we were angry at Bush. For those of you who are only now "outraged" about this since a brown guy is in the White House, and didn't give a f*ck when this entire program began under Bush because "MURKA!!!", sorry, you have no right to an opinion. Eat a bag of dicks.
 
2013-06-15 09:52:33 PM
Barack Hussein Obama. Voted in not once but twice by the neoliberal fascist scumbags.
 
2013-06-15 09:52:49 PM
Not that I'm defending them... but for the record, the NSA has been intercepting every wireless communication in existence since... well forever.  Its generally referred to as ECHELON.  You think your cell phone only has a range of a few miles?  Hah... with more sensitive receivers, they can scoop that shiat out of the air a much longer distance away.  Not that it matters, since they use satellites for most of it anyhow.  Cant get away from those things.  Which reminds me, and this is very important... er.. hang on brb doorbell.
 
2013-06-15 09:53:14 PM
If Nadler is revealing this info, from a classifed briefing, is he breaking any law? Is he legally able to disclose this?
 
2013-06-15 09:53:20 PM

Nabb1: I'm sure the bootlickers will be here soon enough to tell us we have no reason to be upset.


Well, so much for having a rational discussion on the topic.
 
2013-06-15 09:54:55 PM

Mock26: I really cannot figure out why people are so upset by all these activities by the NSA.  Seriously, what is the big deal?  They are NOT interested in your personal information.  They are not trying to catch people breaking the law.  All they care about is Setec Astronomy.  They are just trying to improve our understanding of the stars.  So all you paranoid conspiracy theorists just need to lighten up.


Would you mind terribly if every so often, while you were away from your home, that the local police used their personal copy of your house key to enter your house, do a quick look-see to see if you were growing any pot plants, and then left without touching anything?
 
2013-06-15 09:55:23 PM
Why can someone go to a secret Congressional briefing and then tell us what went on without having to hide in Iceland?
 
2013-06-15 09:55:36 PM
I never thought I'd say this again.

I'm getting the pig!
 
2013-06-15 09:55:49 PM

cman: Democrats tell Liberals to "shut up you are giving the GOP a win" to make them stop talking about this government overreach. Republicans are pretty solidly against him and tell their base to "shut up you are being partisan" to those who speak up against this.

Notice a pattern? Both the GOP and Dems are telling everyone to shut up, and that says something.


Hell, the Republican leadership is criticizing the Democratic leadership for not defending the NSA enough.

Meanwhile, thankfully, there are still a few Democrats who will speak out publicly against this bullshiat.

Unlike other leading Democrats and his former allies, Gore said he was not persuaded by the argument that the NSA surveillance had operated within the boundaries of the law.

"This in my view violates the constitution. The fourth amendment and the first amendment - and the fourth amendment language is crystal clear," he said. "It is not acceptable to have a secret interpretation of a law that goes far beyond any reasonable reading of either the law or the constitution and then classify as top secret what the actual law is."

Gore added: "This is not right."
 
2013-06-15 09:56:03 PM

NSA: " You can't stop the signal. Everything goes somewhere, and I go everywhere."


fcovers.net

 
2013-06-15 09:57:22 PM
Bin Laden got every thing he wanted. Good job, America.

And, for the bootlickers mentioned by Nabb1, it starts with the Patriot Act. Obama isn't innocent, but please remember the administration and party that was in power that started it all.
 
2013-06-15 09:57:44 PM
And zeros of people will be prosecuted for this.
 
2013-06-15 09:58:06 PM
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2013-06-15 09:58:31 PM

fusillade762: Popcorn Johnny: This is in no way Obama's fault, the President is only to blame for crap like this when a Republican is in the White House.

I know it's shocking that the president might do something congress has apparently authorized him to do. You'll get over it.


insertsnarkyusername: Are there any ways to communicate that aren't monitored?

Carrier chickens.


Sure, right up to the time they get raped.

/rape
 
2013-06-15 09:58:40 PM
I am strongly against the method by which the politician chose to bring this 'information' to light.  He asked targeted questioning with the intent of trapping the individual under question to respond in a way which enabled their own specific paraphrasing of events.  Until the actual transcript of the classified briefing is released, this is all based on the commentary of a politician, who was 'startled'.

There are many ways to interpret that information, and if someone makes a presentation behind close doors that you personally don't agree with, releasing the information in this fashion gives YOU the ultimate control over how that information is perceived UNTIL such a time as the other parties decide to speak openly about it.  If they have already concluded that they cannot be more open without creating issues, that effectively gives ONE person the power to manipulate the situations perspective in any manner they wish.

Would you put it past a politician to manipulate a situation for personal gain?  I personally wouldn't.
 
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