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(Sports Illustrated)   Cool: 49 years ago today, the most lopsided trade in baseball history, Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock. Fark: They still talk to each other   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 39
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2013-06-15 10:47:41 PM
Try Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields, Curt Schilling for Jason Grimsley, David Cone for Ed Hearn, George Foster for Frank Duffy, or Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi.
 
2013-06-15 11:12:43 PM
How about Tippy Martinez, Rick Dempsey, Rudy May, Scott McGregor and Dave Pagan for Doyle Alexander, Jimmy Freeman, Elrod Hendricks, Ken Holtzman and Grant Jackson?
 
2013-06-15 11:56:42 PM

Gulper Eel: Try Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields, Curt Schilling for Jason Grimsley, David Cone for Ed Hearn, George Foster for Frank Duffy, or Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi.


The Varitek deal is up there, too.
 
2013-06-15 11:57:57 PM
Hmmmmm..Looks at keyboard..The A is by the S.
 
2013-06-16 12:02:39 AM
Tom Seaver in his prime for a bunch of average players: Pat Zachry, <a data-cke-saved-href="Steve Henderson, Doug Flynn, and Dan Norman.
 
2013-06-16 12:12:47 AM

W.C.fields forever: Hmmmmm..Looks at keyboard..The A is by the S.


Thanks for fixing that .
 
2013-06-16 12:13:07 AM
In a few years, we're going to look back on the Tigers giving up Curtis Granderson and some garbage to get Max Scherzer and Austin Jackson as an amazing steal.
 
2013-06-16 12:15:19 AM
Sam McDowell for Gaylord Perry
 
2013-06-16 12:19:14 AM
Amos Rusie for Christy Mathewson. It's no contest. Lou Brock was never even remotely as dominant as Mathewson was, and the Giants got him for a long past his prime player (admittedly a Hall of Famer, elected in 1977) who pitched a grand total of 3 games for the Reds before hanging it up. Mathewson won 372 games for the Giants, retiring number two on the all-time wins list and a charter member of the Hall of Fame.

Brock for Broglio was merely a bad trade. Mathewson for Rusie was devastating.
 
2013-06-16 12:23:36 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Amos Rusie for Christy Mathewson. It's no contest. Lou Brock was never even remotely as dominant as Mathewson was, and the Giants got him for a long past his prime player (admittedly a Hall of Famer, elected in 1977) who pitched a grand total of 3 games for the Reds before hanging it up. Mathewson won 372 games for the Giants, retiring number two on the all-time wins list and a charter member of the Hall of Fame.

Brock for Broglio was merely a bad trade. Mathewson for Rusie was devastating.


*Runs off your lawn.*
 
2013-06-16 12:31:29 AM
Why wouldn't they talk to each other?
 
2013-06-16 01:04:12 AM
Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas, Jack Baldschun and Dick Simpson has to be in the running here.
 
2013-06-16 01:04:42 AM
the babe for money to perform a play?
 
2013-06-16 01:11:41 AM
How about Scherzer, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke for Curtis Granderson?
 
2013-06-16 01:24:34 AM

vladimpaler: Sam McDowell for Gaylord Perry


Ugh!  One of my earliest baseball memories--that was over 40 years ago and that trade still makes me cringe.  The Giants seemed to specialize in one-sided swaps like that during the 70s.

Also, Ryne Sandberg and Larry Bowa for Ivan DeJesus has to be in the running for worst trade of all time.  Oddly enough, it was the Cubs who made out like bandits on that one.
 
2013-06-16 01:25:28 AM

great_tigers: How about Scherzer, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke for Curtis Granderson?


not really lop-sided. how many rings do  any of those players have?
 
2013-06-16 01:36:00 AM
In 1990, the Houston Astros were on the right side of two of the most lopsided trades in MLB history.  In one they got Curt Schilling, Steve Finley and Pete Harnisch from the Orioles for Glenn Davis.  In the second, they fleeced the Red Sox, by stealing away Jeff Bagwell, who was actually born and raised in Boston.  All the Astros had to give up was relief pitcher Larry Anderson.
 
2013-06-16 01:50:01 AM

great_tigers: How about Scherzer, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke for Curtis Granderson?


Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Miguel Cabrera was more lopsided.
 
2013-06-16 02:30:48 AM

Gulper Eel: Try Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields


Deshields wasn't that bad...not worth Pedro, obviously, but a solid major leaguer.

You want a bad trade involving the Expos, how 'bout Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens for Bartolo Colon (who pitched a whopping 17 games for the 'Spos) and Tim Drew (13 games).  3 guys who would go on to 8 All-star game appearances (and counting) for 17 good starts and 13 shiatty relief appearances.  That, my friends, is the worst trade ever.
 
2013-06-16 02:31:06 AM
Glenn Davis
 
2013-06-16 02:33:36 AM

Deece: Gulper Eel: Try Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields

Deshields wasn't that bad...not worth Pedro, obviously, but a solid major leaguer.

You want a bad trade involving the Expos, how 'bout Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens for Bartolo Colon (who pitched a whopping 17 games for the 'Spos) and Tim Drew (13 games).  3 guys who would go on to 8 All-star game appearances (and counting) for 17 good starts and 13 shiatty relief appearances.  That, my friends, is the worst trade ever.


Damn
 
2013-06-16 02:43:23 AM
The point is that Broglio never did anything after the trade, and Lou Brock led (with a lot of help, obviously) the Cardinals to 3 WS appearances, 2 World Championships, 3000 hits, most of the stolen base records, and a trip to Cooperstown. You all make good points, but you really need to RTFA.

/subby
 
2013-06-16 03:24:00 AM

NDP2: vladimpaler: Sam McDowell for Gaylord Perry

Ugh!  One of my earliest baseball memories--that was over 40 years ago and that trade still makes me cringe.  The Giants seemed to specialize in one-sided swaps like that during the 70s.

Also, Ryne Sandberg and Larry Bowa for Ivan DeJesus has to be in the running for worst trade of all time.  Oddly enough, it was the Cubs who made out like bandits on that one.


Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl for Fergie Jenkins and Adolfo Phillips worked out pretty well for them too.
 
2013-06-16 04:44:22 AM

Deece: You want a bad trade involving the Expos


I'd say that Randy Johnson thing didn't turn out so well.
 
2013-06-16 04:50:09 AM
My favorite is the Reds/Astros trade of late 1971. Joe Morgan (you know him), Cesar Geronimo (4 Gold Gloves on the Big Red Machine), Jack Billingham (starter in 3 WS) and Denis Menke (thanks for showing up), for Lee May, Tommy Helms and some guy I've never heard of. Not nearly the all for nothing deal that the Brock one was, but still fun to add up.

http://www.astrosdaily.com/history/worsttrades.html#Morgan
 
2013-06-16 06:54:59 AM
Steve Carlton to the Phillies for Rick Wise didn't exactly work out as planned.

/Cardinals fan
 
2013-06-16 07:48:48 AM
The early 70s Mets made perhaps the worst series of trades ever - M. Donald Grant  was the ultimate example of why owners should NEVER interfere with their front office people. It drove Whitey Herzog, who was the real talent there, out of the organization.

Nolan Ryan to the Angels for Jim Fregosi - we could stop right there, as this is right up there in the Bad Trade Hall of Fame.

Amos Otis to Kansas City for Joe freaking Foy

Mike Jorgenson, Tim Foli and Ken Singleton to the Expos for Rusty Staub

Then they stopped investing in their farm system, and went down the toilet in the late 70s
 
2013-06-16 08:40:14 AM
Might discount it a little for the PED problem, but Sammy Sosa for George Bell is up on that list.

The Bagwell for Andersen deal was truly awful, but at least Boston got some comic relief from Andersen and his famous sunflower-seed face.

And I always liked the Shoeless Joe + Morrie Rath for some nobody just because Jackson and Rath's path crossed again later in life in the 1919 World Series.
 
2013-06-16 09:20:44 AM

Deece: Gulper Eel: Try Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields

Deshields wasn't that bad...not worth Pedro, obviously, but a solid major leaguer.

You want a bad trade involving the Expos, how 'bout Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens for Bartolo Colon (who pitched a whopping 17 games for the 'Spos) and Tim Drew (13 games).  3 guys who would go on to 8 All-star game appearances (and counting) for 17 good starts and 13 shiatty relief appearances.  That, my friends, is the worst trade ever.


puffy999: Deece: You want a bad trade involving the Expos

I'd say that Randy Johnson thing didn't turn out so well.


Yeah, came here to say almost every trade when the owners started bailing on the fans.
 
2013-06-16 10:46:14 AM
Larry Bowa and Ryne Sandberg for Ivan DeJesus; Derrek Lee for Hee Seop Choi; and Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez for Jose Hernandez and two minor-leaguers (or more correctly, "We'll give you Kenny Lofton if you'll take Aramis Ramirez's contract off of our hands") all worked out pretty well for the Cubs later on.

A.J. Pierzynski for Joe Nathan, Boof Bonser and Francisco Liriano could have been an all-time lopsided trade if Liriano had been able to stay healthy early on.  The Twins even upgraded at catcher in that deal -- some guy named Joe Mauer replaced Pierzynski.  A.J. still seems bitter about that, but then, he's a bitter soul to begin with.
 
2013-06-16 11:14:10 AM

skybreaker: great_tigers: How about Scherzer, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke for Curtis Granderson?

Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Miguel Cabrera was more lopsided.


Not when you consider the Tigers also had to take Dontrelle Willis. And then immediately sign him to a big contract extension.
 
2013-06-16 11:23:19 AM
How about Babe Ruth to the Yankees for $100,000?
 
2013-06-16 11:28:03 AM

ChrisDe: skybreaker: great_tigers: How about Scherzer, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke for Curtis Granderson?

Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Miguel Cabrera was more lopsided.

Not when you consider the Tigers also had to take Dontrelle Willis. And then immediately sign him to a big contract extension.


They didn't have to sign him to an extension, that was their own bad decision. Still a fleecing considering Cabby is the best hitter in the game and Maybin and Miller are both marginal players for other clubs.
 
2013-06-16 11:52:49 AM

Gulper Eel: Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi.


There wasn't a baseball expert at the time -- or one now, if they look at the numbers, that didn't think this was a lopsided deal -- for the Mets. Fregosi at the time had HOF potential and Ryan was seeing his WHIP increase each year, his strikeout rate declining, and his walk rate increasing.  His record in the second half of 1971 would have had fans clamoring for his release.  Calling this a bad trade is the sure sign you're just repeating things and not actually knowing what you're talking about.

Similarly, Broglio was an established MLB pitcher.  Brock was not going to break into the Cubs lineup (he was a left fielder and the Cubs already had a future HOF player in that position).

Both were perfectly justifiable trades that just didn't work out.  A bad trade is one when anyone can see it's not going to work out:  Ed Hearn for Cone, or Amos Otis (who was considered so valuable that the Mets refused to trade him for Joe Torre the year before) for Joe Foy
 
2013-06-16 12:19:57 PM

greggm59: Steve Carlton to the Phillies for Rick Wise didn't exactly work out as planned.

/Cardinals fan


4 Cy Youngs and 6 playoff years after going to Philadelphia. Playoffs for Philly, unimaginable at the time... this sounds worse than the Brock trade to me.
 
2013-06-16 01:24:32 PM
It's all circular. The Cards fleeced the Cubs in Brock for Broglio. The Phillies put the Cardinals into the basement for a decade with the Carlton for Wise trade.  Then the Cubs stole Ryne Sandberg for DeJesus.

No one has mentioned that in 2011 the Cardinals traded Colby Rasmus for a world series title.
 
2013-06-16 02:01:21 PM

W.C.fields forever: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Amos Rusie for Christy Mathewson. It's no contest. Lou Brock was never even remotely as dominant as Mathewson was, and the Giants got him for a long past his prime player (admittedly a Hall of Famer, elected in 1977) who pitched a grand total of 3 games for the Reds before hanging it up. Mathewson won 372 games for the Giants, retiring number two on the all-time wins list and a charter member of the Hall of Fame.

Brock for Broglio was merely a bad trade. Mathewson for Rusie was devastating.

*Runs off your lawn.*


Well, subby did say "in baseball history", did he not?
 
2013-06-16 05:26:52 PM
Yeah, many of these trades are awful in hindsight, but were fine at the time. One of the Mets worst trades at the time, was the Kazmir for Zambrano deal. Could have been even worse if Kazmir had lived up to the potential (He still put up 5 pretty damn good seasons for Tampa), but trading your top pitching prospect for a bad and old arm like Zambrano was insane.
 
2013-06-17 03:53:20 AM

Lafnlion: It's all circular. The Cards fleeced the Cubs in Brock for Broglio. The Phillies put the Cardinals into the basement for a decade with the Carlton for Wise trade.


I'm pretty sure the Carlton trade was the universe doing a karma balancer for the Brock/Broglio trade.
 
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