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(Washington Post)   The United States puts more children and teenagers in juvenile detention than any other developed nations in the world, with about 130,000 detained in 2010. And as it turns out, this is very likely a bad idea   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 194
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2013-06-16 12:57:50 AM

TheWhoppah: give me doughnuts: Repeal ridiculous criminal and sentencing laws related to possession of marijuana, and the rate of incarceration will go down.


No state incarcerates first time marijuana users that have otherwise clean criminal histories.  At least not for any meaningful period of time.  Second convictions won't get you any real time either. If you get busted three times, well you are just a farkup and bad at making decisions.


*unless you are black.
/FTFY
 
2013-06-16 12:58:14 AM

wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?


You are an idiot.  Thank you for asking for clarification.

Now let me ask you a question, do you understand basic math?  Let us say that Country A has 1,000,000 people and they they incarcerate 1,000 people.  Let us say that Country B has 500,000 people and that they incarcerate 750 people.  Who has the higher incarceration rate?  Hmmm?  I will give you a hint, it is not Country A.
 
2013-06-16 12:58:32 AM
Well did they commit the crimes or not?
 
2013-06-16 01:00:22 AM
Missed the quote somehow.

LordJiro: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

We're still number 1.

This is part of the reason why I laugh at the people getting their panties in a twist over the NSA. We've been in a police state for longer than a lot of people on Fark have been alive, and you're worried NOW?



Who cares how long people have been aware of it?

 The idea is that when there is an opportunity to wake more people up to this stuff and push for changes it can only be a good thing.

Instead of patting yourself on the back for being ahead of the curve, try to get more people enlightened and outraged.
 
2013-06-16 01:01:13 AM
We should have a death penalty for repeat felons over age 40.  If you haven't settled down and stopped that shiat by age 40 then there is no hope for you and we are better off hanging you and harvesting your organs while the are still young enough to be donated.
 
2013-06-16 01:03:13 AM

Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?

You are an idiot.  Thank you for asking for clarification.

Now let me ask you a question, do you understand basic math?  Let us say that Country A has 1,000,000 people and they they incarcerate 1,000 people.  Let us say that Country B has 500,000 people and that they incarcerate 750 people.  Who has the higher incarceration rate?  Hmmm?  I will give you a hint, it is not Country A.



Well,

1. The U.S. is not the most populated developed country by a long shot.

2. Someone upthread already posted incarceration rates but you ignored it or didn't understand.
 
2013-06-16 01:06:51 AM

SevenizGud: Gas 'em before they get old enough to graduate to murder.

0.002% of the population cause 99% of the trouble. So why not cull them while we already have them rounded up?


Yeah, but isn't gassing CEOs a bit extreme?
 
2013-06-16 01:07:14 AM
I agree, every city should follow the New Orleans model and release habitual offending teens back into the wild. There's simply not enough rape, assaults, robberies, or murders in America.

You can say it's farked up that a teen opened fire it's at a Mothers Day parade. What they dont tell you was he was a teen that got his bail reduced because he was considered low risk despite having an arms length rap sheet.
 
2013-06-16 01:07:38 AM
"Back to these young criminals - They probably were not spanked as babies, they certainly were not flogged for their crimes. The usual sequence was: for a first offence, a warning - a scolding, often without trial. After several offences a sentence of confinement but with sentence suspended and and the youngster placed on probation. A boy might be arrested many times and convicted several time before he was punished - and then it would be merely confinement, with others like him from whom he learned still more criminal habits. If he kept out of major trouble while confined, he could usually evade most of even that mild punishment, be given probation - 'paroled' in the jargon of the times.
"This incredible sequence could go on for years while his crimes increased in frequency and viciousness, with no punishment whatsoever save rare dull-but-comfortable confinements. Then suddenly, usually by law on his eighteenth birthday, this so called 'juvinile delinquent' becomes an adult criminal and sometimes would up in only weeks or months in a death cell awaiting execution for murder. You-"
He had singled me out again. "Suppose you merely scolded your puppy, never punished him, let him go on making messes in the house... and occasionally locked him up in an outbuilding but soon let him back into the house with a warning not to do it again. The one day you notice the that he is a grown dog and still not housebroken - wherapon you whip out a gun and shoot him dead. Comment, please?"
"Why... that's the craziest way to raise a dog I've ever heard of!"
"I agree. Or a child. Whose fault would it be?"
"Uh... why, mine, I guess."
"Again I agree. But I'm not guessing."
 
2013-06-16 01:09:05 AM

wesmon: Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?

You are an idiot.  Thank you for asking for clarification.

Now let me ask you a question, do you understand basic math?  Let us say that Country A has 1,000,000 people and they they incarcerate 1,000 people.  Let us say that Country B has 500,000 people and that they incarcerate 750 people.  Who has the higher incarceration rate?  Hmmm?  I will give you a hint, it is not Country A.


Well,

1. The U.S. is not the most populated developed country by a long shot.

2. Someone upthread already posted incarceration rates but you ignored it or didn't understand.


1.  Hmmm, meant to say "most developed nations."
2.  All I saw was someone's graph showing just that of the United States.  Who was it that posted the per 100,000 rates for other countries?
 
2013-06-16 01:09:47 AM

cptjeff: Let's fix it. There's a piece of legislation before Congress that should be a bipartisan measure that's going to come up for a push soon. The Youth PROMISE Act, which would invest in programs, chosen by local communities, that are proven to reduce youth violence, with the funding structured to encourage communities to take the savings from their corrections and police budgets and reinvest them in those same successful programs. Call your Representatives and ask them to support it. It saves money, is controlled at the community level, and reduces crime. Everybody wins.


It would eliminate a cheap, expendable source of labor, which is why it'll never happen.


TheWhoppah: One or two percent of humans are good-for-nothing sociopaths.
The sooner we identify them and lock them up the better for everyone.
If other nations can't afford to lock up their scumbags that is their problem, not ours.


Most of those people  have been identified.  They're the ones that win elections.
 
2013-06-16 01:10:38 AM
You have to follow the link that says US Incarceration Rates to get to a wiki page where it is compared to other countries ....
 
2013-06-16 01:11:26 AM

wesmon: Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?

You are an idiot.  Thank you for asking for clarification.

Now let me ask you a question, do you understand basic math?  Let us say that Country A has 1,000,000 people and they they incarcerate 1,000 people.  Let us say that Country B has 500,000 people and that they incarcerate 750 people.  Who has the higher incarceration rate?  Hmmm?  I will give you a hint, it is not Country A.


Well,

1. The U.S. is not the most populated developed country by a long shot.

2. Someone upthread already posted incarceration rates but you ignored it or didn't understand.


Forgot to mention, the graph posted was the incarceration rate for all Americans.  The farking article was about juveniles in detention.
 
2013-06-16 01:12:10 AM
Of the "Developed Nations", the U.S. is the most populous at ~316,000,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Factbook_list_of_developed_co un tries )

Its population is more than the next three developed nations combined (Japan, Germany and France) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population )

It is completely unsurprising that the US would have "more children and teenagers in juvenile detention than any other developed nations."

Nice troll article subby.

"Figures don't lie, but liars can figure." - Mark Twain
 
2013-06-16 01:14:14 AM
The use of a firearm in a crime bumps many things from misdemeanors to felonies or low-level felonies to high-level ones.
So, even with the same crime rate, the incarceration will be longer if the criminals use firearms.
Unfortunately the firearm genie is out of the bottle... the US has more guns than people.
 
2013-06-16 01:14:48 AM

TheWhoppah: You have to follow the link that says US Incarceration Rates to get to a wiki page where it is compared to other countries ....


That does not list the rate for juveniles.  But, based on a population of roughly 308,000,000 in 2010 and 130,000 youth in juvenile detention that gives a rate of 43 per 100,000.  I still ask, what is the junvenile incarceration rate for other countries?
 
2013-06-16 01:16:25 AM

glass_ibis: Of the "Developed Nations", the U.S. is the most populous at ~316,000,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Factbook_list_of_developed_co un tries )

Its population is more than the next three developed nations combined (Japan, Germany and France) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population )

It is completely unsurprising that the US would have "more children and teenagers in juvenile detention than any other developed nations."

Nice troll article subby.

"Figures don't lie, but liars can figure." - Mark Twain


Well now, turns out I was correct when I accidentally said that the U.S. has more people than all other developed nations.  Nice to know.
 
2013-06-16 01:16:37 AM

fusillade762: snuffy: see what absentee parenting gets us.

Yeah, that's the root of the problem and not a privately run prison system worth $70 billion dollars a year.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 713x499]


Your tears sustain me, and yield dividends in my portfolio..

fark, yeah.
 
2013-06-16 01:16:52 AM

Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?

You are an idiot.  Thank you for asking for clarification.

Now let me ask you a question, do you understand basic math?  Let us say that Country A has 1,000,000 people and they they incarcerate 1,000 people.  Let us say that Country B has 500,000 people and that they incarcerate 750 people.  Who has the higher incarceration rate?  Hmmm?  I will give you a hint, it is not Country A.


Well,

1. The U.S. is not the most populated developed country by a long shot.

2. Someone upthread already posted incarceration rates but you ignored it or didn't understand.

Forgot to mention, the graph posted was the incarceration rate for all Americans.  The farking article was about juveniles in detention.


Well a quick search got me an NPR article with this graph comparing youth incarceration rates of several developed nations.

www.npr.org
 
2013-06-16 01:16:57 AM
www.wired.com
 
2013-06-16 01:19:31 AM
It's as if one could just enter a Google search and find some obscure location that has a list of these things or something, possibly containing citations for further research.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_ of_countries_by_incarceration_ra te
 
2013-06-16 01:20:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: snuffy: see what absentee parenting gets us.

Yeah, that's the root of the problem and not a privately run prison system worth $70 billion dollars a year.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 713x499]

The for-profit prisons didn't come into existence until AFTER the SRA. It was the "war on drugs" and the increase in prison inmates, and the concurrent drop in state funding to state prisons and overcrowding, that led to the need for more cheaply run prisons. Which led to the profit motive, which led to the need for more prisoners...it's a cycle, not a straight-line progression.

Then there was the so-called "superpredator" theory of the late 1980's, which caused that big uptick in juvenile incarceration in the late 80's and early 90's. Under that awful theory, advanced by idiot John DiIulio, kids were becoming more amoral, criminally inclined, and violent, and needed to be treated more harshly even than adults lest they become supercriminals later in life and kill the planet. So you had cases where a 16-year old getaway driver in a botched gas station robbery got 31 years without parole because he was adjudged a "superpredator". That took a few years to settle down.

Today, of course, any time anyone suggests lighter sentences, relaxed parole, anything like that, there are people, some of them right here on Fark, who will say things like "Maybe you should let them (sex offenders, murderers, homeless) live in your house while they're being rehabilitated)" as if there was no middle ground between more enlightened penal policies and just letting killers wander the street. It's that mentality that keeps prisons getting fuller and fuller, even as there is less and less room (and less and less reason) for all those inmates.


And in the meantime, we treat education equally as a commodity, and our states and the Fed to flush dollars into a testing industry, that does little to actually insure education, while forcing a great many schools to come to terms with flushing or excusing some kids, so that they don't lose their funding, and likewise, those kids who get flushed or pushed aside, then feed the prison industry.

Overall, it's nice work if you can get it...
 
2013-06-16 01:21:03 AM

wesmon: Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?

You are an idiot.  Thank you for asking for clarification.

Now let me ask you a question, do you understand basic math?  Let us say that Country A has 1,000,000 people and they they incarcerate 1,000 people.  Let us say that Country B has 500,000 people and that they incarcerate 750 people.  Who has the higher incarceration rate?  Hmmm?  I will give you a hint, it is not Country A.


Well,

1. The U.S. is not the most populated developed country by a long shot.

2. Someone upthread already posted incarceration rates but you ignored it or didn't understand.

Forgot to mention, the graph posted was the incarceration rate for all Americans.  The farking article was about juveniles in detention.

Well a quick search got me an NPR article with this graph comparing youth incarceration rates of several developed nations.

[www.npr.org image 624x337]


Thank you.  Also, I misread the article, took the 130,000 for 2010 to be the total number.  D'oh!  This is what happens when you post while drinking and past your normal bed time.
 
2013-06-16 01:22:26 AM
Just because you are not incarcerated doesn't mean you shouldn't be.
 
2013-06-16 01:26:27 AM

Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?

You are an idiot.  Thank you for asking for clarification.

Now let me ask you a question, do you understand basic math?  Let us say that Country A has 1,000,000 people and they they incarcerate 1,000 people.  Let us say that Country B has 500,000 people and that they incarcerate 750 people.  Who has the higher incarceration rate?  Hmmm?  I will give you a hint, it is not Country A.


Well,

1. The U.S. is not the most populated developed country by a long shot.

2. Someone upthread already posted incarceration rates but you ignored it or didn't understand.

Forgot to mention, the graph posted was the incarceration rate for all Americans.  The farking article was about juveniles in detention.

Well a quick search got me an NPR article with this graph comparing youth incarceration rates of several developed nations.

[www.npr.org image 624x337]

Thank you.  Also, I misread the article, took the 130,000 for 2010 to be the total number.  D'oh!  This is what happens when you post while drinking and past your normal bed time.


I could say the same about drinking and posting. I figured countries like China and India were considered developed nations but apparently they aren't.
 
2013-06-16 01:26:40 AM

TheWhoppah: One or two percent of humans are good-for-nothing sociopaths.
The sooner we identify them and lock them up the better for everyone.
If other nations can't afford to lock up their scumbags that is their problem, not ours.

Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?

You are an idiot.  Thank you for asking for clarification.

Now let me ask you a question, do you understand basic math?  Let us say that Country A has 1,000,000 people and they they incarcerate 1,000 people.  Let us say that Country B has 500,000 people and that they incarcerate 750 people.  Who has the higher incarceration rate?  Hmmm?  I will give you a hint, it is not Country A.


Well,

1. The U.S. is not the most populated developed country by a long shot.

2. Someone upthread already posted incarceration rates but you ignored it or didn't understand.

1.  Hmmm, meant to say "most developed nations."
2.  All I saw was someone's graph showing just that of the United States.  Who was it that posted the per 100,000 rates for other countries?


I think you missed the entire point.. even within the US the incarceration rates among juvies have gone up exponentially in the past 2 or 3 decades.
Now either kids in the US have gotten really violent all of a sudden or cops suddenly become more proactive in throwing people into prison compared to their peers before them. Since neither is probably true there is a 3rd possibility and that is our entire criminal/judicial system that is responsible for this exponential hike.
The system itself is not about rehabilitation nor is it about corrections. It is all about making money even if it means beings counterproductive to the very reasons behind putting someone behind bars in the first place.
 
2013-06-16 01:26:59 AM

TheWhoppah: Just because you are not incarcerated doesn't mean you shouldn't be.


"Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age."
 
2013-06-16 01:36:38 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-16 01:40:14 AM
Is there any way that we can make prisons unprofitable?  That might fix the problem.
 
2013-06-16 01:43:13 AM

SuperNinjaToad: The system itself is not about rehabilitation nor is it about corrections



Why should it be?  Justice is about (1) revenge and (2) keeping innocent people safe.  Who cares about the offenders.  fark them.  They suck.
 
2013-06-16 01:44:39 AM

SuperNinjaToad: I think you missed the entire point.. even within the US the incarceration rates among juvies have gone up exponentially in the past 2 or 3 decades.
Now either kids in the US have gotten really violent all of a sudden or cops suddenly become more proactive in throwing people into prison compared to their peers before them. Since neither is probably true there is a 3rd possibility and that is our entire criminal/judicial system that is responsible for this exponential hike


It might have something to do with this statistic (from www.cdc.gov, 2008 data):

i260.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-16 01:45:01 AM
If you mess up, at all, the man gonna just put you in a toilet and feed you gruel and cruelty cause that moves money around for the man's cronies.  And unless yo daddy fat ass rich, you do not.  Careful, nah, or the man gitcha.
 
m00
2013-06-16 01:49:20 AM

Weaver95: lets just throw everyone into one giant open air, unregulated prison.  how about Death Valley?  we can isolate it easy enough.  put in some basic infrastructure, like wells or whatever.  wall it off, then take all our undesirables and throw 'em into the prison.  once you go in, you don't get out.  inside - anything goes.  no rules, save you stay inside 'till you die.  we can throw in men, women, kids, political prisoners, damn near anyone we want.  just air drop supplies in on a random pattern at regular intervals.


Why don't we just use one of the many US's military-owed islands. We can even let the rich hunt "the deadliest game."
 
2013-06-16 01:52:47 AM

Weaver95: lets just throw everyone into one giant open air, unregulated prison.  how about Death Valley?  we can isolate it easy enough.  put in some basic infrastructure, like wells or whatever.  wall it off, then take all our undesirables and throw 'em into the prison.  once you go in, you don't get out.  inside - anything goes.  no rules, save you stay inside 'till you die.  we can throw in men, women, kids, political prisoners, damn near anyone we want.  just air drop supplies in on a random pattern at regular intervals.



Libertarian paradise?
 
2013-06-16 01:53:25 AM
Half the male prison population is black.  I haven't bothered to look at the racial make up of the female prison population.  Most of these black males are raised by single females.  Actually, if you look at the racial make up of the US prison the only real disparity in races are blacks.  So is the entire world a bunch of racist or are black mommas the cause of their son's whoa's.

Stay tuned as mikewadestr will once again serve a suspension for racists comments.
 
2013-06-16 01:54:26 AM
Laws are the greatest cause of crime.
 
2013-06-16 01:55:17 AM

Mock26: TheWhoppah: You have to follow the link that says US Incarceration Rates to get to a wiki page where it is compared to other countries ....

That does not list the rate for juveniles.  But, based on a population of roughly 308,000,000 in 2010 and 130,000 youth in juvenile detention that gives a rate of 43 per 100,000.  I still ask, what is the junvenile incarceration rate for other countries?


When talking about juveniles, why does the rate per 100,000 matter exactly? Yes, I understand your argument that more people = more people in prison and that absolute numbers is unfair when comparing, say, Germany to the US. But when talking about kids under 18--and especially when talking about kids under 15--why should you imagine that saying "Yes, but we have so many more people than Germany smaller population so the comparison doesn't count."?

So Germany has a population of 10,000,000 (let's pretend) and they incarcerate 15 juveniles per 100,000, giving them a total of 1500 juveniles incarcerated annually. The US, by your estimate, has a rate of 43 per 100,000 or 130,000 annually, which is probably roughly equivalent. Why would that make ANY difference when the population you're talking about is JUVENILES?

If the rate was half that, or a tenth of that, that would be TOO MANY kids being incarcerated annually, and TOO MANY kids spending some or all of their time being turned into future adult felons. That's why these comparisons with "other industrialized nations" are b/s, imo. Who cares what other countries are doing, or what their "rates" are? Putting children in prison at ANY rate means that a society has failed miserably, and any rate higher than zero should be a source of national shame.
 
2013-06-16 01:55:31 AM

prjindigo: wesmon: Mock26: Dear Author, the  United States also has a hell of a lot more people than all other developed nations.  With that being said, what are the per capita comparisons to all the other countries?

Troll or idiot?

Dunno, they posted on Fark.com, its hard to tell...


US is first in per capita, more than twice the number of the next first world nation.  Kind of like how the US is first in teen pregnancy almost twice as much as number 2 UK.
 
2013-06-16 01:55:34 AM

doglover: Legalize drugs. Bring back the swift death penalty for them as deserve it. Hold prosecutors accountable to draconian standards of conduct that put their life and the well being of their family in jeopardy in the event they wrongfully convict someone. Do away with sex offender registries. Make it illegal for a traffic violation ticket to monetarily benefit the state where it was issued.


Barely anyone gets pulled over here and everyone drives like a dick, or they're half asleep

TheWhoppah: SuperNinjaToad: The system itself is not about rehabilitation nor is it about corrections


Why should it be?  Justice is about (1) revenge and (2) keeping innocent people safe.  Who cares about the offenders.  fark them.  They suck.


So... life sentence for jaywalking? I care about the offenders when laws are dumb, education sucks, there's a national hatred of knowledge, and selling illegal drugs is a well-paying, easy job to get.
 
2013-06-16 01:57:53 AM
Since many detention centers & prisons are contracted out and are for-profit, it might be that many crooked judges get a little cut of the action the more kids they send away.
 
2013-06-16 01:59:12 AM

TheWhoppah: One or two percent of humans are good-for-nothing sociopaths.
The sooner we identify them and lock them up the better for everyone.
If other nations can't afford to lock up their scumbags that is their problem, not ours.


Actually, statistically speaking, it's about 4% of the population. (Source: The Sociopath Next Door, Martha Stout PhD)
 
2013-06-16 02:01:22 AM

mikewadestr: Half the male prison population is black.  I haven't bothered to look at the racial make up of the female prison population.  Most of these black males are raised by single females.  Actually, if you look at the racial make up of the US prison the only real disparity in races are blacks.  So is the entire world a bunch of racist or are black mommas the cause of their son's whoa's.

Stay tuned as mikewadestr will once again serve a suspension for racists comments.


It's a hell of a lot easier to avoid jail time for smoking weed in the suburbs than it is in the ghettos.
 
PKY
2013-06-16 02:02:28 AM
Higher number of unsuitable parents having kids earlier + more widespread gangster culture + tougher laws = higher numbers.
 
2013-06-16 02:03:56 AM

ObeliskToucher: SuperNinjaToad: I think you missed the entire point.. even within the US the incarceration rates among juvies have gone up exponentially in the past 2 or 3 decades.
Now either kids in the US have gotten really violent all of a sudden or cops suddenly become more proactive in throwing people into prison compared to their peers before them. Since neither is probably true there is a 3rd possibility and that is our entire criminal/judicial system that is responsible for this exponential hike

It might have something to do with this statistic (from www.cdc.gov, 2008 data):

[i260.photobucket.com image 626x695]


WTF is going on in Bulgaria?!?
 
2013-06-16 02:04:14 AM
Given that we have quite a few bullshiat laws that only apply to people under 18 that other countries don't, this is no surprise.  Add into that the kangaroo court that is the juvenile court and no one should be surprised a lot of people under 18 are incarcerated.
 
2013-06-16 02:04:58 AM

mikewadestr: Half the male prison population is black.  I haven't bothered to look at the racial make up of the female prison population.  Most of these black males are raised by single females.  Actually, if you look at the racial make up of the US prison the only real disparity in races are blacks.  So is the entire world a bunch of racist or are black mommas the cause of their son's whoa's.

Stay tuned as mikewadestr will once again serve a suspension for racists comments.


No, black people are mostly poor and tribal. You're looking at it wrong. Don't look at the tribe, look at the people.

Pretend it's "people who listen to rap." Why do rap fans make up the majority of the prison population? It must be the music, right? No, that's ridiculous. Music doesn't make you sell crack. Desperation does, and that stems from poverty.

http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/stats-on-human-rights/statistics- on -freedom/statistics-on-prisoner-population-rates/#8

28% of state and federal prisoners were unemployed in the month before their arrest. The national unemployment rate at the time was 5.5%. So the inmate rate was six times the national average.88% of state prisoners and 80% of federal prisoners had a high school education or less. The national average for adults (over 18 years of age) was half that - 48%. Inmates are twice the national average.70% of state and 58% of federal prisoners had an income of less than $2000 in the month prior to arrest. That means they had an annual income of less than $24000.
 
2013-06-16 02:07:07 AM

12349876: mikewadestr: Half the male prison population is black.  I haven't bothered to look at the racial make up of the female prison population.  Most of these black males are raised by single females.  Actually, if you look at the racial make up of the US prison the only real disparity in races are blacks.  So is the entire world a bunch of racist or are black mommas the cause of their son's whoa's.

Stay tuned as mikewadestr will once again serve a suspension for racists comments.

It's a hell of a lot easier to avoid jail time for smoking weed in the suburbs than it is in the ghettos.



Did you intend to say that it is easier to avoid jail time for weed if you don't already have a criminal record?  Nobody spends any significant time in jail for JUST a personal stash of weed.
 
2013-06-16 02:09:09 AM

moothemagiccow: 28% of state and federal prisoners were unemployed in the month before their arrest. The national unemployment rate at the time was 5.5%. So the inmate rate was six times the national average.88% of state prisoners and 80% of federal prisoners had a high school education or less. The national average for adults (over 18 years of age) was half that - 48%. Inmates are twice the national average.70% of state and 58% of federal prisoners had an income of less than $2000 in the month prior to arrest. That means they had an annual income of less than $24000.



In other words, people who make poor decisions may end up in prison.  Wow.  What a shock!
 
2013-06-16 02:10:04 AM

TheWhoppah: moothemagiccow: 28% of state and federal prisoners were unemployed in the month before their arrest. The national unemployment rate at the time was 5.5%. So the inmate rate was six times the national average.88% of state prisoners and 80% of federal prisoners had a high school education or less. The national average for adults (over 18 years of age) was half that - 48%. Inmates are twice the national average.70% of state and 58% of federal prisoners had an income of less than $2000 in the month prior to arrest. That means they had an annual income of less than $24000.


In other words, people who make poor decisions may end up in prison.  Wow.  What a shock!


Not if they can afford a good lawyer
 
2013-06-16 02:12:37 AM

TheWhoppah: moothemagiccow: 28% of state and federal prisoners were unemployed in the month before their arrest. The national unemployment rate at the time was 5.5%. So the inmate rate was six times the national average.88% of state prisoners and 80% of federal prisoners had a high school education or less. The national average for adults (over 18 years of age) was half that - 48%. Inmates are twice the national average.70% of state and 58% of federal prisoners had an income of less than $2000 in the month prior to arrest. That means they had an annual income of less than $24000.


In other words, people who make poor decisions may end up in prison.  Wow.  What a shock!


(nobody's paying any attention to you. You can leave now)
 
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