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2013-06-15 02:21:49 PM
Yeah. Michael Moore ran out of food to shove in his gullet and is now about to turn on his fellow human beings.

I don't know about you, but all I have to do is trip the poor schmuck beside me to get away from his ravenous craw.
 
2013-06-15 02:25:33 PM
Yeah, it means that Obama is being centrist like pretty much always .
 
2013-06-15 02:32:07 PM
Who ever said he was a shill for the democrats? He goes wherever the controversy and bacon burgers fried in lard are.
 
2013-06-15 02:44:39 PM
Ha ha, subby, you say that like Michael Moore has any credibility.
 
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2013-06-15 03:09:21 PM
There's still no reason to listen to anything that fat asshole has to say.
 
2013-06-15 03:19:43 PM
But what if Obama says Michael Moore has lost all creibility?
 
2013-06-15 03:31:30 PM
I would assume Moore's problem is more along the lines of "look at me" , as opposed to "look at him"
 
2013-06-15 03:44:20 PM

Wyalt Derp: But what if Obama says Michael Moore has lost all creibility?


I'll take Stating the Obvious for 400, Alex.
 
2013-06-15 04:39:01 PM

Dave and the Mission: I would assume Moore's problem is more along the lines of "look at me" , as opposed to "look at him"


He's always had that quality to me. Maybe I'm prejudiced against fat people, maybe I'm a fat-ist but he always has that in your face fat person gait about him.
 
2013-06-15 04:40:39 PM

"And each time, for the last 25 years, we have continued to settle for less and less, to the point where we have so depleted the political gene pool, the Democrats are now almost indistinguishable from the Republicans."  Michael Farking Moore November 7th, 2000



Don't forget he did more to elect Bush than Karl Rove. Fark Michael Moore, fark him hard.
 
2013-06-15 04:42:05 PM

Wyalt Derp: But what if Obama says Michael Moore has lost all creibility?


The snake will know the taste of his own tail?
 
2013-06-15 05:00:22 PM
Michael Moore is not a man of the people, he is a businessman, and a very rich and successful one at that.  Take whatever he says with a mountain of salt.
 
2013-06-15 05:00:32 PM

BladBoy: "And each time, for the last 25 years, we have continued to settle for less and less, to the point where we have so depleted the political gene pool, the Democrats are now almost indistinguishable from the Republicans."  Michael Farking Moore November 7th, 2000

Don't forget he did more to elect Bush than Karl Rove. Fark Michael Moore, fark him hard.


Lolwut?
 
2013-06-15 05:01:17 PM
Oh, so NOW we should listen to Michael Moore? I thought he was a liar who couldn't be trusted, and now you're saying we should just take his word about Obama?
 
2013-06-15 05:02:00 PM
Obama's definitely got some damage control to wade through.

When there's this big of a backlash against something he's said or done, he usually changes stance in some notable way.

So both the parties are right-of-center. Why is this shocking to anyone?

What gets me is the constant fingerpointing & I told-you-so's without a single solution from the hipper than thou liberal/libertarian contingency. How's that 3rd party working out for you?
 
2013-06-15 05:02:22 PM
Well, yeah, the problem is that people reporting what Michael Moore says.

Really, how hard is this? Stop it.
 
2013-06-15 05:03:49 PM
www.naderlibrary.com
 
2013-06-15 05:11:08 PM
Let's see...............when was the Patriot Act signed into Law...........

that's right, October 2001.


so stop blaming Obama for following the Law.
 
2013-06-15 05:12:58 PM

Klippoklondike: Take whatever he says with a mountain of salt.


He takes whatever he eats with a mountain of salt.
 
2013-06-15 05:17:05 PM
First I agree with something Pat Robertson said, now I agree with something Michael Moore said.

I think I need an intervention
 
2013-06-15 05:17:15 PM
The left is so predictable
Moore was a genius and visionary when he criticIzed Bush or Walker but now that he agrees with the criticism of the NYT he is not credible

Enjoy you butthurt and hypocrisy.
 
2013-06-15 05:23:21 PM

AngryDragon: First I agree with something Pat Robertson said, now I agree with something Michael Moore said.

I think I need an intervention


For equating the two, yes I think you do.
 
2013-06-15 05:24:30 PM
I'm sure Obama is happy to have criticism from the left, it gives him bipartisan cover.

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I found this image while looking for something more relevant, but I like it so much it has to be relevant somehow.
 
2013-06-15 05:25:29 PM
When was Michael Moore a fan of Obama? Moore is a liberal. Obama is not.
 
2013-06-15 05:26:24 PM
Michael Moore has credibility?
 
2013-06-15 05:26:48 PM
Damn liberals always in the tank for Obama.  Both sides are sooo bad.
 
2013-06-15 05:30:05 PM

whidbey: AngryDragon: First I agree with something Pat Robertson said, now I agree with something Michael Moore said.

I think I need an intervention

For equating the two, yes I think you do.


I don't equate the two.  They are opposite sides of the spectrum and I'm a centrist.  Hearing something rational come out of both in a two week period makes me feel like I was dragged into the Matrix.
 
2013-06-15 05:32:52 PM

Linux_Yes: Let's see...............when was the Patriot Act signed into Law...........

that's right, October 2001.


so stop blaming Obama for following the Law.


GWB 10/26/01 "This new law that I sign today will allow surveillance of all communications"

But hey Republicans, thanks for blaming the black buy
 
2013-06-15 05:37:27 PM

whidbey: Obama's definitely got some damage control to wade through.

When there's this big of a backlash against something he's said or done, he usually changes stance in some notable way.

So both the parties are right-of-center. Why is this shocking to anyone?

What gets me is the constant fingerpointing & I told-you-so's without a single solution from the hipper than thou liberal/libertarian contingency. How's that 3rd party working out for you?


No, only the Democrats are right-of-center. The Republicans have moved right into the mental asylum. The Democrats have become right-of-center because Republicans refuse to meet in the middle.

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2013-06-15 05:39:40 PM

AngryDragon: whidbey: AngryDragon: First I agree with something Pat Robertson said, now I agree with something Michael Moore said.

I think I need an intervention

For equating the two, yes I think you do.

I don't equate the two.  They are opposite sides of the spectrum and I'm a centrist.  Hearing something rational come out of both in a two week period makes me feel like I was dragged into the Matrix.


Again, I've got to take issue.

Pat Robertson is generally a nut who makes maybe one or two sensible statements in a 20 year period.

Michael Moore, for all his attention-whoring, has been pretty much spot-on in his criticism of this society.

They are nothing like each other.
 
2013-06-15 05:40:13 PM
So if I make a bunch of crappy, biased movies, people are gonna care about what I think? Cool. I'm off to make "Why you suck and I don't" Maybe it'll earn an Oscar and me the Presidency.
 
2013-06-15 05:41:27 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The left is so predictable
Moore was a genius and visionary when he criticIzed Bush or Walker but now that he agrees with the criticism of the NYT he is not credible

Enjoy you butthurt and hypocrisy.


No, he was not credible then, nor is he credible now.  He's a propagandist.  He's the left's Sean Hannity - if either of them are right about a particular issue, it's just a stopped clock being right twice per day, not a sign of any intellectual capacity or credibility on their parts.
 
2013-06-15 05:41:46 PM
Does anyone else find it amusing that this is right above the link about partisan hypocrites?
 
2013-06-15 05:41:56 PM

Bith Set Me Up: No, only the Democrats are right-of-center. The Republicans have moved right into the mental asylum. The Democrats have become right-of-center because Republicans refuse to meet in the middle.


They no longer feel they have that obligation: their plan has been to obstruct, make the Dems look bad, take advantage of their spineless non -confrontational nature, and hope they tip the balance enough to make a difference in Congressional elections. That's their strategy these days, and it almost worked last election for the White House.
 
2013-06-15 05:44:17 PM

Mugato: Who ever said he was a shill for the democrats? He goes wherever the controversy and bacon burgers fried in lard are.


Uh:

1. Guns = bad
2. 9/11 = conspiracy
3. Cuban health care = good
4. Corporate outsourcing = bad
5. Capitalism = icky-poo

Yeah, he's all over the map ideologically.
 
2013-06-15 05:46:31 PM

doctor wu: Michael Moore has credibility?


When he was bashing capitalism the progressives loved him.

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2013-06-15 05:47:01 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The left is so predictable
Moore was a genius and visionary when he criticIzed Bush or Walker but now that he agrees with the criticism of the NYT he is not credible

Enjoy you butthurt and hypocrisy.


Most Americans disagreed with Bush, and most Americans disagree with domestic spying. So is it your point that Michael Moore is aligned with most Americans?
 
2013-06-15 05:48:11 PM

smitty04: When he was bashing capitalism the progressives loved him.


Pretty sure I'm still defending him here, shill.
Don't you have some back issues of Mallard Fillmore you should be brushing up on?
 
2013-06-15 05:50:00 PM

smitty04: doctor wu: Michael Moore has credibility?

When he was bashing capitalism the progressives loved him.

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I don't remember Moore saying capitalism itself is bad. I remember him saying that the way we practice it here needs to be more fair and inclusive, but that's not the same thing as 'bad'.
 
2013-06-15 05:50:05 PM

whidbey: Bith Set Me Up: No, only the Democrats are right-of-center. The Republicans have moved right into the mental asylum. The Democrats have become right-of-center because Republicans refuse to meet in the middle.

They no longer feel they have that obligation: their plan has been to obstruct, make the Dems look bad, take advantage of their spineless non -confrontational nature, and hope they tip the balance enough to make a difference in Congressional elections. That's their strategy these days, and it almost worked last election for the White House.


Yeah. I've heard some people saying Republicans aren't thinking long-term, and I'm saying "Of course they are.". They're trying to cause so much shiat in Obama's presidency so that in 2016, they can say to the Democratic candidate "But it happened on  his watch!".

They hate Obama so much that they're rather see America fail than Obama succeed.
 
2013-06-15 05:50:07 PM
Notabunny:
Most Americans disagreed with Bush, and most Americans disagree with domestic spying. So is it your point that Michael Moore is aligned with most Americans?

To be fair and non-biased, most Americans are as dumb as pig snot.
 
2013-06-15 05:53:34 PM

Linux_Yes: Let's see...............when was the Patriot Act signed into Law...........

that's right, October 2001.


so stop blaming Obama for following the Law.


We can't blame Obama for renewing it?
 
2013-06-15 05:53:59 PM

whidbey: That's their strategy these days, and it almost worked last election for the White House.


Did it?  Because Nate Silver's analysis never had Romney even getting close.  He never cracked 50/50 as far as I remember.  I think all the last election proved is that 47% of voters will vote GOP no matter what.  They were given a piece of Wonderbread with a history of being pro-marriage-equality, pro-gun-ban, pro-choice, and pro-Obamacare.  And they voted for him anyway.
 
2013-06-15 05:54:54 PM
MM agrees with NYT that BHO "has lost all credibility" over NSA flap?

Good one.

Fun fact: Snowden saw how the NYT sat for a year on the story when it broke in 2004 about how Bush had been authorizing the NSA to start wiretapping en masse since 2001 and decided that he would rather go with the Guardian and Greenwald because they had more credibility in his eyes so the circle is complete.

Fact of the matter is this stuff is all legal now because of the 4 year extension granted to the business records aka "library records provisions" section of the Act back in 2011.

People wishing to vent their outrage here should start there.

Or they could go back to 1928 when Congress made wiretapping Constitutional in the first place.

Or back to 1941 and ULTRA or COINTELPRO in 1956.

ECHELON? FISA? CALEA?

To my mind a tool this powerful should either never be used at all (unlikely tag goes where?) or should have strong oversight beyond a rubber stamp FISA court.
 
ecl
2013-06-15 05:54:59 PM
Obama isn't a visionary idealist... which is what people really wanted the first time we elected him.  That last time was just to prevent catastrophe.  I didn't believe he had credibility going into the second election.  Michael Moore doesn't either but that's an entirely different debacle.
 
2013-06-15 05:55:57 PM

Fart_Machine: BladBoy: "And each time, for the last 25 years, we have continued to settle for less and less, to the point where we have so depleted the political gene pool, the Democrats are now almost indistinguishable from the Republicans."  Michael Farking Moore November 7th, 2000

Don't forget he did more to elect Bush than Karl Rove. Fark Michael Moore, fark him hard.

Lolwut?


Michael Moore encouraged people to vote Nader in 2000.  See my link.  Without a strong Nader vote, Florida goes to Gore and not W.  So, Moore helped get W elected (and Nader's ego as a co-conspirator).  I always remind my conservative and liberal friends of this fact.  Michael Moore is not on your side, no matter which side you are on.
 
2013-06-15 05:56:04 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: whidbey: That's their strategy these days, and it almost worked last election for the White House.

Did it?  Because Nate Silver's analysis never had Romney even getting close.  He never cracked 50/50 as far as I remember.  I think all the last election proved is that 47% of voters will vote GOP no matter what.  They were given a piece of Wonderbread with a history of being pro-marriage-equality, pro-gun-ban, pro-choice, and pro-Obamacare.  And they voted for him anyway.


But I thought Romeny said he was extremely whatever they wanted him to be
 
ecl
2013-06-15 05:56:27 PM

ecl: Obama isn't a visionary idealist... which is what people really wanted the first time we elected him.  That last time was just to prevent catastrophe.  I didn't believe he had credibility going into the second election.  Michael Moore doesn't have credibility either but that's an entirely different debacle.


FTFM
 
2013-06-15 05:56:27 PM

ecl: Obama isn't a visionary idealist... which is what people really wanted the first time we elected him.  That last time was just to prevent catastrophe.


For me, it was to prevent catastrophe both times.  They wanted to put Sarah Palin one weak heartbeat from the Presidency in 08.  *shudder*
 
2013-06-15 05:56:45 PM
Shouldn't right-wingers have some admiration for Michael Moore? After all, Michael Moore did what they say they would do if they saw injustice or wrongdoing which is standing up for what he believes in and weathering the flak thrown his way. He shows the bravery that they claim to have.

Or maybe right-wingers are just cowardly sheep who can only talk a good game.
 
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