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(IGN)   A recent poll of over 280,000 gamers shows that 81% of respondents favored the PS4 over the Xbone. Micro$oft VP Phil Spencer countered with, "This isn't a sprint" while strains of Vader's Theme played in the background   (ign.com) divider line 330
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2013-06-15 07:14:21 PM

anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...


Or one of those outsourcing companies that contracts to whatever company de-jour wants them to astroturf on their behalf.  Its neat once you start using the farky favourite text line to tag people with various positions.  I've only recently started the tagging practice but its already shown a few handles that have bizzarely conflicted stances on issues.  (do not try this in the politics tab, I imagine you'd go insane even glancing into that abyss)
 
2013-06-15 07:14:22 PM

anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...


Yea, I don't think fark threads are popular enough to be worth their while anyway. I just wanted to give a link to explain why the word gets tossed around so much.
 
2013-06-15 07:14:58 PM

quiotu: You know I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet, but you think maybe people are interested in the PS4 more because, I dunno... it's the only console they can get? The Xbox One is initially only workable in 21 countries... half of Europe and all of Asia are NOT covered.


No, it's because those countries hate microsoft and want the xbox one to fail just because.

At least that what's the xboners are suggesting. Any complaint against the xo is just people 'hating'. Things like rational thought have no place in their artificially constructed world.
 
2013-06-15 07:15:10 PM

omeganuepsilon: quiotu: Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'?

This.

Much like any other fundy/zealot/extreme liberal/trolly alt/shill, he's not trying so much to argue against what people are actually saying(typically legitimate) but attempting to straw man an argument that he can knock down, thinking it will be an easy win.

Wanting microsoft to fail =\= predictions about failure =\= hesitant combination of the two

Xbox was the first console I ever really liked(though I owned others, primarily it was the controller).
I really liked the 360 at first.  Until NXE dashboard, the Xii avatars, and streaming commercials to me on my dime.  I knew then I'd not re-up, it was an indication of the future.  Sure enough "Windows 8" is more like NXE 2, and xbox 1 is an anti-consumer piece invasive and tyrannical hardware providing nothing new.  It's a glorified set-top box that will brick if, not if, when internet has outages(even if they're not on my end), if I travel, if a storm comes, if they decide to ban me for saying a "dirty" word while online, etc.

What I'd like to see?  Anon DDOS MS servers just after christmas, pull it off for 24 hours plus.

Another thing I find humorous, is that you know a ton of these are going to be bought by unaware consumers and there are going to be floods of returns.  You think retailers are going to put up with that?  fark no.  MS will continue to take heat for selling something that so easily bricks(even if it's temporary), only they won't be able to tell wal-mart/bestbuy/costco to go shove it like they are consumers at the moment.  Bad things are going to happen if they don't back down on call-backs before release.


That would be funny to see a sh*tload of XB1's go dark around the holiday.
 
2013-06-15 07:20:13 PM
What cracks me up are people who describe themselves as "serious gamers".
 
2013-06-15 07:21:08 PM

cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.


$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?


Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.
 
2013-06-15 07:24:26 PM

JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.

$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.


The author of the second link was being pretty sarcastic.

I think what people are getting to is that the new Kinect system has great potential to be abused. Many see it as an unnecessary intrusion and I don't blame them for not wanting something like that in their home.

/my .02
 
2013-06-15 07:28:31 PM
"Console gamer wants to play like he's running a pc with no disks."

so buy a goddamned pc. Consoles require disks, hurr durr, why do I have to use them the way they are intended, derp herp.
 
2013-06-15 07:28:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: As proof, here's The Last of Us available as a download on Sony's website:

http://us.playstation.com/games/the-last-of-us-ps3.html


OK, I skipped out on buying a PS3 and I didn't watch the entire PS4 keynote because it was too glitchy to watch live.  Still, if you bought a PS4 game disc, you would need to insert the disc to play, right?  And if you buy a downloaded copy, you would not be able to play it on someone else's PS4, right?
 
2013-06-15 07:29:29 PM

JohnnyC: 698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.


How much was projected? Those numbers have no context. So, yeah, it could be a failure.
 
2013-06-15 07:30:10 PM

JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.

$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.


Xbox is being outsold by PS4 3:2. If PS4 ends up with an install base of 50 million to Xbox One 33 million they lost the generation.
 
2013-06-15 07:30:56 PM

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: As proof, here's The Last of Us available as a download on Sony's website:

http://us.playstation.com/games/the-last-of-us-ps3.html

OK, I skipped out on buying a PS3 and I didn't watch the entire PS4 keynote because it was too glitchy to watch live.  Still, if you bought a PS4 game disc, you would need to insert the disc to play, right?  And if you buy a downloaded copy, you would not be able to play it on someone else's PS4, right?


Depends on how they have it set up, you could probably sign into your profile on someone else's PS4. But if you're planning on playing the game elsewhere, the portability of a disc just makes more sense. You don't even get to have that option with the Xbone.
 
2013-06-15 07:31:58 PM

pxlboy: I think what people are getting to is that the new Kinect system has great potential to be abused. Many see it as an unnecessary intrusion and I don't blame them for not wanting something like that in their home.


I get that. I just think they're largely making mountains out of molehills. They're imagining the worst possible scenario and treating it like it is the intended purpose. Like they said, you can turn it off if you want, but you may not be able to play some games that require it unless you turn it back on. Some people don't want to hear 'sense' though... they just want to freak the fark out over something less intrusive to their privacy than their cellphone.
 
2013-06-15 07:32:40 PM

JohnnyC: BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet? Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.


Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.  I'm also not talking about passively slurping down 24/7 from every xbone all the time, I'm talking about specific requests and MS's admitted compliance (but you've got nothing to hide so why worry right?), or the proven concept that no platform is impervious to exploitation by black hats, its just a matter of the payoff for doing so.  If they came out and said there was a hardware method of disabling the mic & cam then I'd have some faith, but software is just software and it can be updated at any time.
 
2013-06-15 07:34:11 PM

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: As proof, here's The Last of Us available as a download on Sony's website:

http://us.playstation.com/games/the-last-of-us-ps3.html

OK, I skipped out on buying a PS3 and I didn't watch the entire PS4 keynote because it was too glitchy to watch live.  Still, if you bought a PS4 game disc, you would need to insert the disc to play, right?  And if you buy a downloaded copy, you would not be able to play it on someone else's PS4, right?


Pretty sure you need the disc to play the game. Some could be installed completely on your HD, but would probably require a pass to play, otherwise you could install the game on unlimited systems.
And yeah, downloading the game links it to your account. You could play it on another system, but you'd have to log onto your account and download it on the other system again. Then you'd have to be logged onto your account to play it.
 
2013-06-15 07:35:27 PM

JohnnyC: pxlboy: I think what people are getting to is that the new Kinect system has great potential to be abused. Many see it as an unnecessary intrusion and I don't blame them for not wanting something like that in their home.

I get that. I just think they're largely making mountains out of molehills. They're imagining the worst possible scenario and treating it like it is the intended purpose. Like they said, you can turn it off if you want, but you may not be able to play some games that require it unless you turn it back on. Some people don't want to hear 'sense' though... they just want to freak the fark out over something less intrusive to their privacy than their cellphone.


You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.
 
2013-06-15 07:40:39 PM

igorknowsall: Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.


Where can I learn to be a smug, self righteous douchebag like you? Teach me, oh dickish one...
 
2013-06-15 07:41:16 PM

JohnnyC: pxlboy: I think what people are getting to is that the new Kinect system has great potential to be abused. Many see it as an unnecessary intrusion and I don't blame them for not wanting something like that in their home.

I get that. I just think they're largely making mountains out of molehills. They're imagining the worst possible scenario and treating it like it is the intended purpose. Like they said, you can turn it off if you want, but you may not be able to play some games that require it unless you turn it back on. Some people don't want to hear 'sense' though... they just want to freak the fark out over something less intrusive to their privacy than their cellphone.


I don't really have a dog in this fight as I'm a PC gamer, but I think the lady and I will hold on to the 360 for a while and see if the Steam box materializes.
 
2013-06-15 07:43:00 PM
 
2013-06-15 07:44:11 PM
PS4 is 33% to 50% more powerful than the Xbox One.

End of story.
 
2013-06-15 07:44:58 PM

taxandspend: That's a pretty big farking number. I wonder how much they're losing on each system that was preordered?


From what I've heard, Sony is the one eating some of the cost on each system sold. Microsoft is pretty much breaking even on the sale of the console (according to what I've seen). They could be eating some cost, but not from what I've seen.

cameroncrazy1984: How much was projected? Those numbers have no context. So, yeah, it could be a failure.


It was 1.4 million units preordered in the first 24 hours. There is no telling how many Microsoft projected they would sell in the first 24 hours, but that does not smell of failure to me.

Carth: Xbox is being outsold by PS4 3:2.


On those two days, apparently. I haven't seen data on number of sales beyond the first 24 hours from either system. I couldn't actually find a number of sales in the first 24 hours on the PS4, just the X1. I just found articles that say that more PS4's had been preordered but no hard numbers on that. They both seem to be doing very well so far.
 
2013-06-15 07:46:18 PM

pxlboy: anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...

That sounds like it could make for a funny short film...or I'm just sleep-deprived.


Kind of like "Iron Sky", but with gaming nerds?   It would probably be a terrible movie, but it could make a hilarious fake movie trailer.

Speaking of which...
 
2013-06-15 07:53:47 PM

JohnnyC: I couldn't actually find a number of sales in the first 24 hours on the PS4, just the X1. I just found articles that say that more PS4's had been preordered but no hard numbers on that. They both seem to be doing very well so far.


Probably because Sony doesn't have a need to reassure publishers that people are buying their system, at this point.
 
2013-06-15 07:53:50 PM

ringersol: Discs are done in the long run.


Which is just miserable for almost everyone.

There are basically no uncapped internet connections in NZ.  A lot of people are on plans where the cap is 10 or 20GB.  I am on the highest available (I think) plan and I pay over $130 a month for 200GB.  On top of that, NZ internet relies mainly on ADSL over ancient copper phone wires, and is also bottlenecked at the one cable that connects us to the rest of the world.  So our internet isn't particularly fast, nor reliable.  In some neighbourhoods you have to wait for months and months to get a connection because there's no available switches at the exchange.

Given that, it's a kick in the nuts to tell people "you not only have to pay $120 dollars (seriously) for this game you don't actually own, you also have to use up your internet cap that you already pay another company for to download this massive file.  Hope your connection doesn't die, or you don't go over your cap and get throttled to dialup speeds."

fark you, basically?
 
2013-06-15 07:54:09 PM

JohnnyC: Cyno01: MS would get so much less flak... if theyd just put a simple hardware shutter on the new kinect. Simple little piece of sliding plastic. I think its an amazing piece of technology, but i give it 3 years tops before it starts getting used by law enforcement in some cases.

Paranoid prediction is paranoid. Luckily, nobody, including you, will remember your prediction in three years. Microsoft was going to get flak from Microsoft haters no matter what they did.


Im not saying microsoft is going to be doing it for some reason, im just saying, is it really out of the realm of possibility, that with people voluntarily putting always on webcams in their living rooms, that law enforcement would use them for surveillance with a warrant? If youre under investigation cops can tap your phone with little hassle, they can even plant bugs in some cases, why not tap your xbox also? Its not something the average person needs to worry about, im sure theyd still need a warrant (id hope microsoft would require one), but gaming companies have worked with law enforcement in the past, heck, some guy here in WI just got his XBlive records from MS and used them as proof of residency to get his green card.

Maybe i am being paranoid, but it really doesnt seem far fetched. OTOH i did just get through my third rewatch of The Wire a few weeks ago...
 
2013-06-15 07:55:18 PM

Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.


See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.


Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.
 
2013-06-15 07:55:25 PM

tiiger: Another problem I have is with Kinect.

1. Using hand gestures to control a TV is stupid, as is voice command.  A remote is faster and more intuitive.
2. Always on, Always Watching, Always talking to the NSA courtesy of Prism.  (Put a book in front of it)
3. The Kinect needs a lot of real estate to work.  Like a huge open room.  I don't have that kind of space. Most gamers don't have that kind of space.
4. Kinect games historically suck.  Other then Dancing Han Solo, I have yet to see Kinect have a breakout game. It's a gadget.  It really gives nothing to most games.


Everything this guy said.
 
2013-06-15 07:57:48 PM

Andyr2120: Nerd rage is a terrible thing.  Me, I'm getting both, but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.


Yeah I agree, the Xbox One sure is innovative and very bold! How much imagination should one have in order to make a perfectly good console that everybody loves into something that provides so much irritation to gamers?

It's like selling cars. Your old model was good and runs perfectly fine, then you expect people to buy the next model by implementing ridiculous requirements like "This car won't run if you don't let it authenticate on the internet at least once per day!" or "If other people want to drive your car, they should have been on your friends list for 30 days or more, and they can only drive your car once!" or even "This car cannot be driven out of state or out of the country!". These requirements and "features" are ridiculously anti-consumer. Of course the customers will buy the competitor's car which runs just the same, minus all the hassles of your car's model.

You know your product is horrible if your competitor's winning marketing campaign highlights your features and announces "We don't have these crap!".
 
2013-06-15 07:57:58 PM

Gleeman: Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)

[imgs.xkcd.com image 389x337]

Not to mention that most games for PS3 only run in 720P.

/WTF, The Last of Us?



I remember when Skyrim came out, some people were pissed they needed an hdtv to play it.
 
2013-06-15 07:58:37 PM
Even ignoring the always online, always on Kinect, and no used game problems (which shouldn't be ignored, but lets do it anyway), there is absolutely no reason to get an Xbox1.  It has worse hardware than the PS4, and uses even less of that already inferior hardware towards processing games since the damn thing runs 3 operating systems simultaneously, plus its more expensive to boot.  Being able to say "Xbox change the channel" instead of just using a remote isn't worth $50, let alone $500, yet that's essentially the one and only benefit you get from an Xbox1.  That and if you realllllly like Halo for some unfathomable reason.   Plus, Microsoft's approach to indie developers is way more restrictive than Sony's, you can't play imports while the PS4 is region free.... the list just goes on and on.

I have no idea how anyone at Microsoft thought "lets throw in the worst things people hate about consoles, make up brand new ideas that are equally loathsome, and package them together with technology that is worse than the competition's yet more expensive.  People will want to buy it because.... Kinect."

No.  No one cares about Kinect Microsoft.  Its is the Bing of the console world.
 
2013-06-15 08:01:52 PM

Carth: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.

$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.

Xbox is being outsold by PS4 3:2. If PS4 ends up with an install base of 50 million to Xbox One 33 million they lost the generation.


Why does that mean they lost the generation? Very little money is made off the sale of the consoles themselves.

If MS can leverage the online sales of its users, so that XB1 users buy, on average, twice as much online content as the PS4 users, then they are winning by the only metric that matters - total net profit. And this looks like the direction MS is trying to go with the XB1.
 
2013-06-15 08:03:34 PM
RIP Phil Spencer.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-15 08:05:08 PM
I'll get one of them eventually. I remember a few hardware failures out of the gate for Microsoft during the last go around. They also changed the original controller to a smaller version. Waiting a year or so seems like a good idea.  The reviews will also be in. I'll probably end up with the one that I can use to play games with the nano devos.
 
2013-06-15 08:06:25 PM

JohnnyC: Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.

See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.


S-so you can turn off the Kinect? B-but the Internet told me I couldn't, and people on the Internet are never wrong!
 
2013-06-15 08:07:57 PM

JohnnyC: BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.


*sigh*  I'm not the one that tried to suggest a computer with a camera and a microphone that's mandatory for its operations can't get exploited.  All I'm saying is its not impossible, specifically because they left the controls for that in software land rather then hardware.  Me personally?  Nah I'm nobody, I'm not worried about some spooky plot would roll out to catch me picking my nose as I watch netflix but I'm not naive enough to rule out that if someone was determined to silently enable a mic or a cam on an xbone that an exploit could be written to do it.  That's the key difference:  I just don't think its impossible, but you seem to, that's all.

Either way the xbone is a woefully underpowered little box and I've no interest in them in the first place, other then chowing popcorn in threads like these and watch as microsoft's arrogance and avarice triggers an implosion on yet another business line.  They don't have many left at this point.
 
2013-06-15 08:08:01 PM

Valacirca: Even ignoring the always online, always on Kinect, and no used game problems (which shouldn't be ignored, but lets do it anyway), there is absolutely no reason to get an Xbox1.  It has worse hardware than the PS4, and uses even less of that already inferior hardware towards processing games since the damn thing runs 3 operating systems simultaneously, plus its more expensive to boot.  Being able to say "Xbox change the channel" instead of just using a remote isn't worth $50, let alone $500, yet that's essentially the one and only benefit you get from an Xbox1.  That and if you realllllly like Halo for some unfathomable reason.   Plus, Microsoft's approach to indie developers is way more restrictive than Sony's, you can't play imports while the PS4 is region free.... the list just goes on and on.

I have no idea how anyone at Microsoft thought "lets throw in the worst things people hate about consoles, make up brand new ideas that are equally loathsome, and package them together with technology that is worse than the competition's yet more expensive.  People will want to buy it because.... Kinect."

No.  No one cares about Kinect Microsoft.  Its is the Bing of the console world.


This guy makes some good points.
 
2013-06-15 08:09:16 PM

anfrind: pxlboy: anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...

That sounds like it could make for a funny short film...or I'm just sleep-deprived.

Kind of like "Iron Sky", but with gaming nerds?   It would probably be a terrible movie, but it could make a hilarious fake movie trailer.

Speaking of which...


That would work. A fake trailer.
 
2013-06-15 08:11:09 PM

Elegy: S-so you can turn off the Kinect? B-but the Internet told me I couldn't, and people on the Internet are never wrong!


Haha! I know, right?
 
2013-06-15 08:11:29 PM

kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.


You won't even need the disc, though I suspect having the disc will mean a faster install rather than downloading the game locally.

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture. This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud. Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.

They aren't really the same thing "More servers" isn't an innovation, neither is cloud computing.


What other console has offered up a packaged cloud computing option to developers?  Until now, if developers wanted to add any cloud computing to their games they would need to manage their own solution whereas MS is giving the devs a cloud solution that's ready to use.

This honestly is the thing I'm most excited about.  I hope devs actually use this feature rather than coding to the lowest common denominator and just porting between consoles.  Imagine a FPS where the lightmap can be recalculated so that the shadowy corner you used as a sniper nest last round is now in full sunlight, or a background scene where hundreds of people are wandering around a New York analog rather than the sparse sidewalks we see now, or a racing game where you can see where other people regularly crash by seeing their skidmarks and a damaged barrier.  I think this will be the most exciting thing to come from the Xbone as long as the developers actually utilize it.

Kahabut: Steam has only one built in DRM, it checks, when you first run a game, if the license is legit. Literally everything else is publishers adding DRM layers. Steam allows infinite offline play, requires an internet connection ONLY ONCE, and frankly, it just works really really well. Also, steam sales.


Steam also does not allow selling or trading of games.  Everything is saying that once you install a game from disc on the Xbone you will no longer need the disc.  They're just a faster way of getting the data onto the device, similar to PC games that are sold in store but use Steam as their DRM solution.  The discs are just a way to get data to people who don't want to download a large amount of data (I've heard that every Xbone game will also be available day 1 from XBL, but can't find a citation).  If someone can buy a game, install it, and never need the disc again, what's to stop people from buying a game at release, running home and installing it, then immediately trading it in when its value is highest, or even claiming it's defective for a return and playing the game indefinitely?  The check is to verify that you're still allowed to play the games you have installed and that you haven't traded them in or otherwise gotten rid of them.

If you stop thinking of the Xbone as disc-based DRM with online checks and start thinking of it as a digital distribution based DRM that allows for selling and trading, the check starts to make sense.

Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill


Reddit decided to investigate those claims, and found them lacking.  The mods could find no proof of anything the original submitter posted and thoroughly debunked claims that one of the repliers worked for Waggener Edstrom, the firm supposedly engaging in the reputation management.  The mod's conclusion was the OP was trolling the gaming community.

Considering I haven't posted anything denigrating the XBone or praising the PS4, I'm sure that I will be accused of working for one of these non-existent PR firms any second now though...
 
2013-06-15 08:13:58 PM

JohnnyC: Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.

See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.


Do really think mocking people is going to help your cause? You're not going to convince anyone to buy an Xboxone this way.
 
2013-06-15 08:16:38 PM

BumpInTheNight: That's the key difference:  I just don't think its impossible, but you seem to, that's all.


It isn't impossible, nor did I claim it was impossible, just not likely and certainly not the intended purpose. Strawman? Hmmm

BumpInTheNight: other then chowing popcorn in threads like these and watch as microsoft's arrogance and avarice triggers an implosion on yet another business line


Ahh... and here we finally get to the meat through all that fat. You're a Microsoft hater. So you're just confirming your biases and trolling for the lulz. Well... hope you enjoyed yourself.
 
2013-06-15 08:17:40 PM

if_i_really_have_to: ringersol: Discs are done in the long run.

Which is just miserable for almost everyone.

There are basically no uncapped internet connections in NZ.  A lot of people are on plans where the cap is 10 or 20GB.  I am on the highest available (I think) plan and I pay over $130 a month for 200GB.  On top of that, NZ internet relies mainly on ADSL over ancient copper phone wires, and is also bottlenecked at the one cable that connects us to the rest of the world.  So our internet isn't particularly fast, nor reliable.  In some neighbourhoods you have to wait for months and months to get a connection because there's no available switches at the exchange.

Given that, it's a kick in the nuts to tell people "you not only have to pay $120 dollars (seriously) for this game you don't actually own, you also have to use up your internet cap that you already pay another company for to download this massive file.  Hope your connection doesn't die, or you don't go over your cap and get throttled to dialup speeds."

fark you, basically?


More like "Why on earth would I live there?"

On a somewhat related note, several years ago (2004?) a friend who's a talented engineer and a huge "Lord of The Rings" fan went on a trip to New Zealand, and when he came back he remarked that the telecom infrastructure there was years behind the U.S. (mostly still dial-up), which I think he saw as a potential business opportunity for someone with the technical skill and the start-up capital to launch a disruptive service in New Zealand.

Sounds like things haven't improved that much, however.

/nobody I know has access to that kind of start-up capital
 
2013-06-15 08:19:14 PM

Cheater71: JohnnyC: Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.

See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.

Do really think mocking people is going to help your cause? You're not going to convince anyone to buy an Xboxone this way.


You keep saying that. Why do you think "our cause" is to convince you to buy an XB1? I could care less if you buy one or not.

I do like to call out odiously retards repeating obviously false talking points, however, so here I am...
 
2013-06-15 08:19:38 PM
And just as an added note about both the Eye Toy and the Kinect. I said this when the first Eye Toy came out for the PS2, and when the Wii came out. Motion gaming is fun...AT FIRST.The problem is after a while it becomes gimmicky and one dimensional. Motion gaming will most likely never reach the abilities of controller gaming. Not saying that motion gaming will have GRAPHIC limitations, but it will always have limitations on what kind of games and what kind of things you can do with it. Certain games will never work well with motion gaming, until we go full holo-shed on things and even that is a stretch.

Now I'm not just running down motion gaming out of hatred, hell I loved Mad World and some of the Wii Sports games, but the fact of the matter is there are certain games that will always be limited and seem gimmicky when done with motion gaming. There are games that can work with the concept, but there are games that would be killed by the concept as well, and trying to shoehorn motion gaming into the middle of controller gaming will only serve to annoy and push away the consumer.
 
2013-06-15 08:20:25 PM

Cheater71: Do really think mocking people is going to help your cause? You're not going to convince anyone to buy an Xboxone this way.


I don't have a 'cause'... I was pointing out reality vs. fiction... but it turns out the guy I was talking to is just a Microsoft hater who was trolling the thread for the lulz. I bit, he got his fix... what's done is done.
 
2013-06-15 08:23:02 PM

Professor Farksworth: Now I'm not just running down motion gaming out of hatred


I thought the head tracking in Forza 4 was FANTASTIC. I hope that kind of thing is the norm in future XBox based racing games. Hell... I wish I could use my Kinect for head tracking on my PC too (it does hook to the PC, but the only support for it is experimental).
 
2013-06-15 08:23:57 PM

Elegy: Cheater71: JohnnyC: Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.

See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.

Do really think mocking people is going to help your cause? You're not going to convince anyone to buy an Xboxone this way.

You keep saying that. Why do you think "our cause" is to convince you to buy an XB1? I could care less if you buy one or not.

I do like to call out odiously retards repeating obviously false talking points, however, so here I am...


Yet you shiat on PS4 and every gamer in here. Telling them why they shouldn't be upset about what Microsoft is doing. Seriously, if you have no vested interest in seeing Microsoft succeed, then you must have no life to spend so much time arguing on fark about something you supposedly don't care about one way or the other.
 
2013-06-15 08:25:55 PM

Elegy: Carth: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.

$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.

Xbox is being outsold by PS4 3:2. If PS4 ends up with an install base of 50 million to Xbox One 33 million they lost the generation.

Why does that mean they lost the generation? Very little money is made off the sale of the consoles themselves.

If MS can leverage the online sales of its users, so that XB1 users buy, on average, twice as much online content as the PS4 users, then they are winning by the only metric that matters - total net profit. And this looks like the direction MS is trying to go with the XB1.


If the current generation is any indication attach rate for the two is similar. An attach rate of 5 for both consoles means an even bigger lead for PS4.
 
2013-06-15 08:27:53 PM

JohnnyC: Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.

See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.


The link flat out says you can't turn off kinect when the system is on you can only pause it. Sorry Microsoft not good enough. If the game I'm playing, or if I'm watching tv, and i don't want to use kinect i should be able to unplug it completely.
 
2013-06-15 08:29:50 PM

Cheater71: then you must have no life to spend so much time arguing on fark about something you supposedly don't care about one way or the other.


The dreaded, "you must have no life" strawman. He said he didn't care if you buy one or not. He said he just didn't like people repeating bullshiat and was trying to bring some facts to the conversation. I missed the part where he "shiat on PS4 and every gamer"... maybe you could be more specific?
 
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