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(IGN)   A recent poll of over 280,000 gamers shows that 81% of respondents favored the PS4 over the Xbone. Micro$oft VP Phil Spencer countered with, "This isn't a sprint" while strains of Vader's Theme played in the background   ( ign.com) divider line
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2013-06-15 02:50:08 PM  
I made a video specifically about the XBone for my gaming channel.

http://youtu.be/JVGQpFCyVJs
 
2013-06-15 03:25:53 PM  
Nerd rage is a terrible thing.  Me, I'm getting both, but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.
 
2013-06-15 03:38:58 PM  
F*cking ridiculous.
 
2013-06-15 03:41:44 PM  

Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75


Exactly how?
 
2013-06-15 03:46:41 PM  
Well here is the latest copy of this thread.
Now I hate the required check in but where have people gotten the idea that if your x-box fails to check in the system will not return to normal functioning after an internet connection is restored?  Does anyone have a citation to that or is it just exaggeration that has become "truth".   I'll probably end up with both eventually unless XBone goes the way of the Dreamcast.

/MS is going in the direction gaming seems irrevocably headed towards.  We may not like it but we may not be able to stop the slide towards digital and licenses.  It's what the developers want in their heart of hearts (Saying so may not be the best public relations at the moment)  Hopefully MS will compromise with a potential alternate check on a disc and as long as you have the disc in the drive it will work...
/in 2002 broadband was in 12% of US homes... but Microsoft built a service that required it anyway.
 
2013-06-15 04:10:13 PM  
If they nerf or ditch the "must check in" bit, I'm on board.

The ability to share your library (including DLC) with a friend has made loaning games easier. Your buddy wants to play Forza? He can play your copy without even acquiring the disc.
 
2013-06-15 04:20:11 PM  

Saborlas: If they nerf or ditch the "must check in" bit, I'm on board


I think a nerf is more likely early on. (alternate authentication) As for when, that will depend.  Not that they won't have something prepared so if they reach a point that they plan on shutting down the authentication server they can eliminate the check.
 
2013-06-15 04:31:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?


For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.

Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.

I also look forward to using my Xbox to access TV and movies.  First game console with HDMI in, and there aren't even that many other devices (other than TVs, duh) that have that.  Both consoles do a pretty good job of streaming video from various sources, but between the HDMI in, TV integration (also works with Netflix, Hulu, etc) and voice control the One is a good bit more advanced than the PS.

MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.  Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.  They aren't really the same thing.

PC gamers have laughed at console gamers for relying on their console as the "server" to host a multiplayer match.  Xbox Live provides dedicated servers in Xbox Live now.  And they won't be shut down ruthlessly like EA tends to do for their older games.  You'll be able to continue playing.

An anonymous source (I know, grain of salt) who claims to be an Xbox engineer leaked info to NeoWin.  Among other hopeful things, he claims that MS is moving to a Steam-styled model of software distribution where games are less expensive.  Older games, especially.  Who needs a used game from Gamestop for $20 when Steam sells the downloadable version for $3?  It's a bold move.  Oddly enough, it was Sony who flirted with Steam, but it may be MS that makes it really work on consoles.

Anyway, look at the PS4.  Better specs than the PS3.  Added Gaikai streaming.  What else?  That's about it.
 
2013-06-15 04:35:01 PM  
Microsoft really screwed the pooch with this one.  They've pissed off most segments of the gaming market.  I haven't seen this kind of outrage since...well...since EA's SimCity debacle.
 
2013-06-15 04:35:43 PM  

Andyr2120: For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.


Voice control is an innovation now? it's been around for years. It's in the 360 right now. Where's the innovation there?

Andyr2120: I also look forward to using my Xbox to access TV and movies.


You can already do this.

Andyr2120: MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.  Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.  They aren't really the same thing


"More servers" isn't an innovation, neither is cloud computing.

Andyr2120: Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.


I've downloaded several games from the PSN. No disc required.

That's it? That's your innovation? Puhlease.
 
2013-06-15 04:42:06 PM  
I enjoy taking my consoles up to the cabin, to parties, etc.  I can't do that with the Xbone because of the 24hr locking.

All that fancy TV stuff: I live in Canada and it won't work here.

Region Locking: Again, Canada, yay.

Steambox is set to release in 2014: Why do I even need an Xbone now?
 
2013-06-15 04:42:07 PM  
Despite getting jumped on for saying this a previous last thread, I'll say it again: the direction MS is going with the XB1 makes a certain amount of sense.

Profit margins on the consoles themselves are pretty low. Steam has proven that gamers don't necessarily care about single use licenses, but developers do, perhaps providing more incentive for developer exclusives to the XB1. Also, XBL has steadily been improving over the past few years, and the XBLA ecosystem has been attracting smaller developers that are producing some fantastic games in the $20 or less range, most of them exclusives.

Out bluntly, if MS loses customers buying the consoles, but increases the amount each customer buys online, it's an increase in profit for them given tha profit margins on the consoles (low) to digital content (very high).

Every indication that we have from MS is that they will continue to expand their online offerings on XBL, and that they see this as the future of the console business, moreso than big box exclusives and brick-and-mortar retail. Hence the always on requirement.

On another note, if you do have an XBL account, Fable 3 is free this weekend and the Worms games are on sale. I highly recommend Worms: Revolution, it has provided me hours of entertainment and was well worth the purchase when I paid full price for it.
 
2013-06-15 04:43:35 PM  
Lots of people wanted a Steam console.  This is a Steam console.

/the 24hour check-in thing is dumb and kind of a problem, though.
 
2013-06-15 04:44:02 PM  
I can't wait for the PS4 to come out, because that is probably when I will buy a PS3.

/cheapskate
 
2013-06-15 04:44:44 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?


DRM.
 
2013-06-15 04:45:05 PM  
Its funny to watch the neckbeards fighting over toys. My prediction: PS4 is the sales winner but the Xbox One still does better than the WiiU.
 
2013-06-15 04:45:44 PM  

Andyr2120: Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.


I knew gamers were lazy but Jesus.

/outsider non-gamer looking in with amusement
//has a high powered PC if gaming ever becomes necessary
///and a PC can do other stuff!
 
2013-06-15 04:46:08 PM  
If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.
 
2013-06-15 04:48:21 PM  
I asked this in another thread, but never got a response. Which is understandable given the wild argument that had broken out in there.

I recall reading that if the Kinect camera can't detect anything in front of it, then the entire system shuts down or won't start up. Is that accurate, or has it been debunked? My google-fu hasn't turned up a solid answer to that.
 
2013-06-15 04:48:25 PM  

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?

For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.

Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.

I also look forward to using my Xbox to access TV and movies.  First game console with HDMI in, and there aren't even that many other devices (other than TVs, duh) that have that.  Both consoles do a pretty good job of streaming video from various sources, but between the HDMI in, TV integration (also works with Netflix, Hulu, etc) and voice control the One is a good bit more advanced than the PS.

MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.  Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.  They aren't really the same thing.

PC gamers have laughed at console gamers for relying on their console as the "server" to host a multiplayer match.  Xbox Live provides dedicated servers in Xbox Live now.  And they won't be shut down ruthlessly like EA tends to do for their older games.  You'll be able to continue playing.

An anonymous source (I know, grain of salt) who claims to be an Xbox engineer leaked info to NeoWin.  Among other hopeful things, he claims that MS is moving to a Steam-styled model of software distribution where games are less expensive.  Older games, especially.  Who needs a used game from Gamestop for $20 when Steam sells the downloadable version for $3?  It's a bold move.  Oddly enough, it w ...



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2013-06-15 04:48:32 PM  
Another problem I have is with Kinect.

1. Using hand gestures to control a TV is stupid, as is voice command.  A remote is faster and more intuitive.
2. Always on, Always Watching, Always talking to the NSA courtesy of Prism.  (Put a book in front of it)
3. The Kinect needs a lot of real estate to work.  Like a huge open room.  I don't have that kind of space. Most gamers don't have that kind of space.
4. Kinect games historically suck.  Other then Dancing Han Solo, I have yet to see Kinect have a breakout game. It's a gadget.  It really gives nothing to most games.
 
2013-06-15 04:50:19 PM  

Xythero: I can't wait for the PS4 to come out, because that is probably when I will buy a PS3.

/cheapskate


Heh. I said the same thing in another thread.
 
2013-06-15 04:51:20 PM  
Andyr2120:

MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.

To give you credit, you at least qualify your totally absurd BS before you say it.
 
2013-06-15 04:52:51 PM  
Being completely contemptuous of your customers isn't an effective business model???
 
2013-06-15 04:52:57 PM  
The direction Microsoft is going with the Xbox isn't the future of gaming any more than Ow My Balls! is the future of television.  It's a self-parodying caricature of marketing department masturbation of what the future of gaming should be.  The only reason not to laugh at it outright is the hope that other consoles try to follow suit and the PC Master Race can regain utter dominance.
 
2013-06-15 04:53:00 PM  
Evacuate, in our moment of triumph?
 
2013-06-15 04:53:48 PM  
Andyr2120:

You're not fooling anyone, Ballmer.
 
2013-06-15 04:53:55 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:

Voice control is an innovation now? it's been around for years. It's in the 360 right now. Where's the innovation there?


Yes, actually this is one of their biggest innovations.

It's not in the fact that it's voice command but that it's extremely advanced voice control.  It learns your voice and will only take commands from the voices it was told to listen to.  It can also tell when you're looking at it so it knows when you are talking to it and not someone else.  It can also isolate your voice out of a noisy room filled with other people, music and other noise in real time and play back just your voice and nothing else.

The Kinect 2 is really where most of the interesting tech advancements are coming from in the XBox one.   Gizmodo has a great walk through of the Kinect 2's tech that you should check out, it's hard not to walk away pretty impressed. It's basically the perfect spy camera.
 
2013-06-15 04:53:57 PM  
PRISM alone should be reason enough to shun Xbone and it's always-on Kinect device...
 
2013-06-15 04:53:57 PM  
How about a nice cup of who the fark cares for either of them.
 
2013-06-15 04:54:02 PM  
Both consoles are completely sold out on all the online sites... Somebody likes that XB1.
 
2013-06-15 04:54:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?


It's slower, removes your first sale rights, AND is more expensive.

Win, Win, Win
 
2013-06-15 04:54:57 PM  

slayer199: Microsoft really screwed the pooch with this one.  They've pissed off most segments of the gaming market.  I haven't seen this kind of outrage since...well...since EA's SimCity debacle.


Problem is the complaints came from an already purchased game. No one is even going to buy an XBone. Even if they evetntually fix it and do away with all the crap, most will have already bout a PS4.
 
2013-06-15 04:55:23 PM  

Andyr2120: MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture. This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud. Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai. They aren't really the same thing.


I'll believe in the cloud computing claim when I see it actually happen, and not a moment before. Sim City made that claim too-

I'm sorry, the US bandwidth speeds are not, in ANY WAY, fast enough or dependable/widespread enough to make that something that can actually, viably, usefully be done, I do not thing.
 
2013-06-15 04:55:28 PM  
Seriously, you're all cracking me up with this sh*t.

Do continue, it's incredibly amusing to watch. Now if only we could find a way to whip this demographic into such a frenzy about about something that actually mattered.
 
2013-06-15 04:56:12 PM  
Counting in MS: 0, 360, one.

Counting in Sony: 1, 2, 3, 4...

//That is all.
 
2013-06-15 04:56:38 PM  
Nefarious:
Now I hate the required check in but

But.. why would you fork over money for something with a main feature that you hate?  Are people really that brainwashed?
 
2013-06-15 04:56:38 PM  
Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.
 
2013-06-15 04:56:58 PM  

Astorix: How about a nice cup of who the fark cares for either of them.


I'm guessing you do, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered coming into the thread.  It's cute how you are trying to play Mr. Cool and uncaring, though.  Nice act.
 
2013-06-15 04:57:18 PM  

dehehn: It can also tell when you're looking at it so it knows when you are talking to it and not someone else


So...an innovation that already exists on smartphones for a year when it comes out?

Yawn.
 
2013-06-15 04:57:55 PM  
People don't understand that you're never going to get amazing deals like you get on Steam without DRM. Beats the holy hell out of trading in The Last of Us for $30 tomorrow at GameStop so they'll sell it for $54. You want cheap games? You want to buy used games? If you have DRM then you can download them in the future for a fraction of the cost.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:14 PM  
I don't really care that much about PSeye/Kinect functionality on a gaming console, but I was actually kind of impressed by the PSeye demo I saw from E3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvpCdtjTrAo If you care to take a look. This is more tech demo than game, but funny to watch.

I didn't realize it was capable of tracking more than just the sensor on the controller. This incarnation seems to integrate some of the Kinect's visual recognition, but has the bonus of not being a necessity.

I've never liked Microsoft's consoles though. PS4 had my vote pretty early on. I don't even care about the PSN stuff. If I want to play a game online, its on my PC. I use my console for some single player/play with friends at home games. I've never even set up my PS3 online.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:23 PM  

igorknowsall: Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.


It's okay to strike a balance between both, you know.  There's no requirement to do nothing but play video games.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:24 PM  

igorknowsall: Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.


Dude, you've never had fun till you've had a girl and a console at the same time.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:29 PM  
X-Bone.

Heh. Heh, heh... Heh.

/count me in the 81%
 
2013-06-15 04:58:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?


if you get banned then your disc based games get banned too

and if you don't check in every 24 hours your games won't work

and you can't turn the box on from controller anymore, have to use kinect

and you can't unplug kinect

also all your 360 accessories won't work, even usb peripherals like those $$$ fanatec wheels made for forza (xbone usb not hid compliant)

also the system won't come with or use headset, must use kinect

also 3rd party media services are still behind a paywall (nobody else does this)

also the UI will still have ads

and microsoft rushed hardware production leading to larger chips with poor yields

and xbox marketplace policies that are anti-indie will still be continued

also if you're in the military, microsoft thinks you're an idiot

...

and more!
 
2013-06-15 04:59:24 PM  
BECAUSE OURS IS DIGITAL
 
2013-06-15 04:59:30 PM  
You know your console is in trouble when the only person defending it is doing so by stating the attractiveness of its non gameplaying abilities.

I dont give two flying farks about how much more advanced the Kinect is to move. Both are garbage and neither is effective at what each system is at its core, a device designed to let a gamer play games effectively. Comparing the consoles based off THAT level of superficiality is like comparing 2 competing toaster ovens that come with nipple clamps. sure one brand may have a more comfortable, rubber coated plastic nipple clamp versus the others' hard edged metal clamps, but neither is what im looking for in my toast procurement needs.
 
2013-06-15 05:00:08 PM  
I'm interested in the Steam console, though.
 
2013-06-15 05:00:13 PM  

Andyr2120: but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.


possibly as a whole, but from here it looks like the PS4 is more focused on being a games console than a "do everything and oh, yeah, you can also play games on it too" console.
 
2013-06-15 05:00:13 PM  

BullBearMS: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?

It's slower, removes your first sale rights, AND is more expensive.

Win, Win, Win


"Slower" is a relative term.

The PS3 has beefier hardware under the hood than does the 360. Unfortunately, every time I buy a PS3 game I have to spend 30 minutes installing the game and an hour updating it multiple times (I believe Uncharted 3 was something like a 30 minute install and 5 updates in a row before I could play it).

Load times for starting games on a PS3 are almost unbearably slow, often in the minutes, and the GUI farking lags and can't keep up with my preferred fast pace at navigating the menus.

My experience on the 360 vs the PS3: the PS3 has marginally better graphics, but this is completely outweighed by the ridiculous wait times I have to endure while the PS3 gets its shiat together.
 
2013-06-15 05:02:22 PM  

EkimProx: People don't understand that you're never going to get amazing deals like you get on Steam without DRM. Beats the holy hell out of trading in The Last of Us for $30 tomorrow at GameStop so they'll sell it for $54. You want cheap games? You want to buy used games? If you have DRM then you can download them in the future for a fraction of the cost.


ironic since newegg had TLOU for $45 yesterday

save us based DRM!
 
2013-06-15 05:02:52 PM  
ohhh, $ sign in the S of Microsoft.  how edgy!
 
2013-06-15 05:03:16 PM  
The BS about about cloud computing as an excuse for required on-line sounds awfully similar to what we heard when Simcity launched.  Turns out that was complete and utter bullshiat, it was just drm.

I honestly don't know if I'll get a PS4, but the chances of me getting an Xbone seem to shrink daily.  I'd rather not buy a console that seems to be a middle finger towards me, while it's "advances" are either things that previous consoles had (media, kinect) or shiat that steam has had for 7+ years now (cloud services).

Honestly these threads entertain me mainly because of the fanboys (possibly shills) are desperately trying to deny the truth that Microsoft is choking on its own foot at the moment.
 
2013-06-15 05:04:57 PM  
I think he's right. It's definitely not a sprint..it's more like a lively vault off the cliff...
 
2013-06-15 05:05:02 PM  
IT IS CYBER DIGITAL

I HOPE SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE UNDERSTANDS THE WORDS THAT COME OUT OF MY MOUTH BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY MEAN

DIGITAL, TIME TO SAY DIGITAL AGAIN

I WISH I'D LEARNED A SKILL INSTEAD OF GOING TO A FRAT FOR SIX YEARS

DIGITAL??
 
2013-06-15 05:05:42 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.

Voice control is an innovation now? it's been around for years. It's in the 360 right now. Where's the innovation there?


Well, it actually works on the One.

Andyr2120: I also look forward to using my Xbox to access TV and movies.

You can already do this.


I don't of any other product that covers so many bases and makes it look easy.  Maybe the next version of Google TV or Apple TV?

Andyr2120: MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.  Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.  They aren't really the same thing

"More servers" isn't an innovation, neither is cloud computing.


Again, it works great for a company like Amazon but has not been done at all for game consoles.  Making it cloud computing useful in a gaming environment is the kind of thing that gets me going since I work in I.T.  Implementing a system of this size, speed and nature is real innovation.

Andyr2120: Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.

I've downloaded several games from the PSN. No disc required.


That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.  Seems like a small thing until it is 2am and your online friends want to replay a mission in a game that you haven't played for a while.  And it turns out that the kids took it upstairs to play, so you need to quietly poke though their stuff to play the game.  I don't know how many times I lived through this!  Not only will I not have to do that again, but my kids might even be able to use MY copy of the game and associated DLC instead of buying a second copy and buying the DLC all over again.  And that's before we even get into the possibility of going to a friend's house and playing my games even if my friend doesn't own those games...

That's it? That's your innovation? Puhlease.
 
2013-06-15 05:06:01 PM  
I'm not a console partisan in any way, given I usually have every console that comes out (and will probably get both of these as well) -- but I am really starting to wonder if some exec from Sony didn't secretly get put in charge of Microsoft's X-Box One strategy.
 
2013-06-15 05:06:02 PM  

Mugato: Xythero: I can't wait for the PS4 to come out, because that is probably when I will buy a PS3.

/cheapskate

Heh. I said the same thing in another thread.


Same here (the first thing, not the second). Did likewise with the PS2/3.
 
2013-06-15 05:06:30 PM  

Andyr2120: but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.


Go home mouth of Sauron, you're drunk.
 
2013-06-15 05:07:29 PM  
Discs are done in the long run. The outrage is inevitable and *someone*s gotta go first on the console side.
I'm not sure if Microsoft is ballsy for blazing the trail or stupid for sticking their chin out while Sony was playing coy.

What they really need now is to demonstrate that they're doing a PC-style backwards compat strategy, and releasing hardware more-frequently. Because digital is going to win, but the winner can't have hardware that doesn't change for 8 years, nor software that's not supported when the hardware *does* update.

/ personally i think both sony and ms went PC-style architecture because they both plan on updating hardware more frequently
// but we'll see
/// damned if MS's virtualization architecture isn't perfect for such an approach though.
 
2013-06-15 05:07:33 PM  

Subtle_Canary: Comparing the consoles based off THAT level of superficiality is like comparing 2 competing toaster ovens that come with nipple clamps. sure one brand may have a more comfortable, rubber coated plastic nipple clamp versus the others' hard edged metal clamps, but neither is what im looking for in my toast procurement needs.


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2013-06-15 05:08:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dehehn: It can also tell when you're looking at it so it knows when you are talking to it and not someone else

So...an innovation that already exists on smartphones for a year when it comes out?

Yawn.


Did you even watch the video?  It can also isolate your voice in a full crowded room in real time.  That is very impressive.

It can also detect your heart rate just by detecting color changes in your face.  It can tell the muscle pressures going on in your body based on your stance.  It can detect your mood based on your facial expressions.  All of these technologies together make for a very powerful camera that no one else has anything close to.

Possibly more interesting for medical and spying fields than for gaming, but it not yawn worthy at all.

/PC Gamer so I don't really give a shiat what you buy
 
2013-06-15 05:08:29 PM  
 
2013-06-15 05:09:08 PM  

Andyr2120: People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.


aaaand I stopped reading here.  I know lots of people with xbox/kinect, including myself.  I dont know a single person who actually keeps the thing plugged in.  Its just too creepy, and honestly farking pointless.  Flailing your arms around to give the TV commands is NOT more intuitive than pushing a button, sorry.

Also, anybody who has ever actually tried to game with kinect has realized that its clunky and has shiat for games.  They've had quite awhile to release some good kinect titles... they all blow.  Dancing and kids petting animals are the only two things anyone actually uses a kinect for.

I refuse to have an always on spy device watching me all the time.  I physically disable the camera on my laptop and other devices as well.

/Im an xbox loyalist too... but fark you microsoft.  fark you.
 
2013-06-15 05:09:43 PM  

Tourney3p0: Nefarious:
Now I hate the required check in but

But.. why would you fork over money for something with a main feature that you hate?  Are people really that brainwashed?


Even though I think it's a stupid policy I also know that the requirement would have little effect on how I use my game system.

Arachnophobe: I asked this in another thread, but never got a response. Which is understandable given the wild argument that had broken out in there.

I recall reading that if the Kinect camera can't detect anything in front of it, then the entire system shuts down or won't start up. Is that accurate, or has it been debunked? My google-fu hasn't turned up a solid answer to that.


Unless someone can post a proper citation I think that is more "truth" being spread.  Just willful exaggeration, I know the kinect needs to be hooked up but apparently can be turned off.  What MS is doing is annoying enough without piling bullshiat on top of it.
 
2013-06-15 05:11:15 PM  

abhorrent1: slayer199: Microsoft really screwed the pooch with this one.  They've pissed off most segments of the gaming market.  I haven't seen this kind of outrage since...well...since EA's SimCity debacle.

Problem is the complaints came from an already purchased game. No one is even going to buy an XBone. Even if they evetntually fix it and do away with all the crap, most will have already bout a PS4.


Look at all this stupid nerd rage.
 
2013-06-15 05:11:25 PM  
I will not buy an XBone under any circumstances.

And that's as simple as it gets.

The whole thing turns gaming, as it has always been, on its head. I've been a serious gamer since 1986, and would rather go back to playing PS2 games forever than to play along with this new model of doing business.

I'll admit that the games XBone showed at E3 were quite impressive, and I'll also admit that they'll probably win in the end (because people are farking idiots). STILL, under absolutely NO circumstances, will I go along with this and get an XBone. As far as I'm concerned, it killed real gaming.

End of story.
 
2013-06-15 05:12:50 PM  

dehehn: Possibly more interesting for medical and spying fields than for gaming, but it not yawn worthy at all.


See, that's my take on it. It's like the XBox One including a blender feature. That's nice and all, I guess, but not anything that I care about insofar as my gaming needs go.
 
2013-06-15 05:12:55 PM  
Let's be honest here, it doesn't matter what the fark the console is and has to do entirely how the games are for the system and pricepoint. It is common knowledge performance and the rest of the crap will be similar. The second platform specific games go away that are good is the second you end up with a rebirth of consoles. You will see a ton of manufacturers build game boxes until ultimately PCs get to the pricepoint where buying a console is obsolete and you end up with a single solitary entertainment box that does everything for a fraction of the price you were spending for everything...
 
2013-06-15 05:14:25 PM  
Read this.  Thurrott is right about what needs to change.  In my mind the biggest problem is the 1 - 2 whammy of additional cost plus Xbox Live. I don't buy (or rent) used games often enough for it to resonate with me.  The internet requirement is asinine.  DRM isn't inherently a problem, but Steam does it right.  Start a game once with the internet connected and cache the DRM.  Kinect? I think it actually pretty kick ass, but not necessarily for gaming.  Farhad Manjoo over at Slate made a really good argument about how the TV side of the Xbox One is really what Steve Jobs would have liked to have with an Apple TV.

The "love" Sony is getting seems misplaced to me.  They are playing the console gaming crowd like a well tuned violin.   Don't think for a minute that they might not change their tune if it benefits them.

Me?  I may just pass on the next gen of consoles, I really want a Steam Box of some sort.  If it comes within the next year, that will be my decision.
 
2013-06-15 05:14:55 PM  
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(he was right, though)
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2013-06-15 05:15:57 PM  

BullBearMS: Elegy: "Slower" is a relative term.

No. It's a factual description of reality.

On the graphics side it's once again obvious that Microsoft and Sony are shopping at the same store as the Xbox One's SoC integrates an AMD GCN based GPU. Here's where things start to get a bit controversial. Sony opted for an 18 Compute Unit GCN configuration, totaling 1152 shader processors/cores/ALUs. Microsoft went for a far smaller configuration: 768 (12 CUs).

Microsoft can't make up the difference in clock speed alone (AMD's GCN seems to top out around 1GHz on 28nm), and based on current leaks it looks like both MS and Sony are running their GPUs at the same 800MHz clock. The result is a 33% reduction in compute power, from 1.84 TFLOPs in the PS4 to 1.23 TFLOPs in the Xbox One.

There's no escaping the fact that Microsoft has given the Xbox One less GPU hardware than Sony gave the PlayStation 4. Note that unlike the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 era, Sony's hardware advantage here won't need any clever developer work to extract - the architectures are near identical, Sony just has more resources available to use.


And again, the PS3 outclasses the 360 in any measure of raw computing power. But the Sony OS, install policies, and update structure make the PS3 a vastly "slower" experience than the 360.

Sony makes you install the full game and then go through a series of sequential updates to finally play the game. The 360 does a minimal install and a SINGLE, cumulative update before you can play. The PS3 also has egregious load times when you start up a game, often in minutes, whereas the 360 starts up a game immediately.

Software structure and GUI response time make a big difference in the end user experience. Do try to keep up.
 
2013-06-15 05:16:02 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Andyr2120: but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.

Go home mouth of Sauron, you're drunk.


Hah.  I'm stealing that.
 
2013-06-15 05:17:33 PM  

ringersol: Discs are done in the long run. The outrage is inevitable and *someone*s gotta go first on the console side.
I'm not sure if Microsoft is ballsy for blazing the trail or stupid for sticking their chin out while Sony was playing coy.

What they really need now is to demonstrate that they're doing a PC-style backwards compat strategy, and releasing hardware more-frequently. Because digital is going to win, but the winner can't have hardware that doesn't change for 8 years, nor software that's not supported when the hardware *does* update.

/ personally i think both sony and ms went PC-style architecture because they both plan on updating hardware more frequently
// but we'll see
/// damned if MS's virtualization architecture isn't perfect for such an approach though.


there's a method already in use by sony and nintendo for nudging people over to digital without screwing them over with draconian DRM: make fewer physical copies

bam, done, no 24 hr check needed, no account tying needed

it's amazing what not treating consumers like criminals can do
 
2013-06-15 05:19:04 PM  

Elegy: Software structure and GUI response time make a big difference in the end user experience. Do try to keep up.


Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

XBone's hardware is a full third less powerful when it comes to graphics than the PS4.

That's just a fact, no matter how you try to spin it.

Costs more. Does less.
 
2013-06-15 05:21:33 PM  

tiiger: I enjoy taking my consoles up to the cabin, to parties, etc.  I can't do that with the Xbone because of the 24hr locking.

All that fancy TV stuff: I live in Canada and it won't work here.

Region Locking: Again, Canada, yay.

Steambox is set to release in 2014: Why do I even need an Xbone now?



I have a PC I built in 2009. Why do I even need a Steambox?
 
2013-06-15 05:24:28 PM  

Xythero: I can't wait for the PS4 to come out, because that is probably when I will buy a PS3.

/cheapskate


The current gen versions are kind of ugly compared to my Slim version, but it is a great console. Spent last night playing through the first bit of The Last of Us, which is just a gorgeous game. The cut scene with the first big death in the game looks close to photorealistic, to the point where if you squint it almost looks like real actors.

The Playstation Plus service is a killer deal, too. The past couple months alone have given me Sleeping Dogs, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Uncharted 3, and Little Big Planet Karting for free. I keep having to upgrade my hard drive to keep up.
 
2013-06-15 05:25:04 PM  

Andyr2120: Nerd rage is a terrible thing.  Me, I'm getting both, but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.


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2013-06-15 05:25:11 PM  
I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.
 
2013-06-15 05:25:23 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: Astorix: How about a nice cup of who the fark cares for either of them.

I'm guessing you do, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered coming into the thread.  It's cute how you are trying to play Mr. Cool and uncaring, though.  Nice act.


both are overpriced junk and I don't shill for either one of them. Game streaming is the future. Playing online games for free is the future.

/nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
 
2013-06-15 05:25:26 PM  

Elegy: BullBearMS: Elegy: "Slower" is a relative term.

No. It's a factual description of reality.

On the graphics side it's once again obvious that Microsoft and Sony are shopping at the same store as the Xbox One's SoC integrates an AMD GCN based GPU. Here's where things start to get a bit controversial. Sony opted for an 18 Compute Unit GCN configuration, totaling 1152 shader processors/cores/ALUs. Microsoft went for a far smaller configuration: 768 (12 CUs).

Microsoft can't make up the difference in clock speed alone (AMD's GCN seems to top out around 1GHz on 28nm), and based on current leaks it looks like both MS and Sony are running their GPUs at the same 800MHz clock. The result is a 33% reduction in compute power, from 1.84 TFLOPs in the PS4 to 1.23 TFLOPs in the Xbox One.

There's no escaping the fact that Microsoft has given the Xbox One less GPU hardware than Sony gave the PlayStation 4. Note that unlike the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 era, Sony's hardware advantage here won't need any clever developer work to extract - the architectures are near identical, Sony just has more resources available to use.

And again, the PS3 outclasses the 360 in any measure of raw computing power. But the Sony OS, install policies, and update structure make the PS3 a vastly "slower" experience than the 360.

Sony makes you install the full game and then go through a series of sequential updates to finally play the game. The 360 does a minimal install and a SINGLE, cumulative update before you can play. The PS3 also has egregious load times when you start up a game, often in minutes, whereas the 360 starts up a game immediately.

Software structure and GUI response time make a big difference in the end user experience. Do try to keep up.


Which is exactly what both xbox one and PS4 will be doing. They both use a blueray drive and will require a full install before you can play.
 
2013-06-15 05:25:53 PM  

BullBearMS: Elegy: Software structure and GUI response time make a big difference in the end user experience. Do try to keep up.

Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

XBone's hardware is a full third less powerful when it comes to graphics than the PS4.

That's just a fact, no matter how you try to spin it.

Costs more. Does less.


I love the fact that anyone who actually prefers the 360 to PC gaming or a PS3 MUST be a paid shill.

I own both a PS3 and a 360. Despite the PS3 having more computing power its marginally better graphics, the experience of using the machine is vastly slower than the 360.

So yes, the PS3 is "faster" than the 360 - hence the better graphics. But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability. It is vastly frustrating, the 360 by far is a much faster, smoother experience, despite the lower quality of graphics.

If you really don't understand that raw numbers do not necessarily mean a faster, less frustrating experience on the user's end, then you must not know much about computers.
 
2013-06-15 05:26:31 PM  
Whew glad Sony is making sure that we don't have to worry to much about drm at all!  Hold on I'm having a problem with the SONY BMG CD does anybody know how to uninstall a rootkit. Oh I also got some mail from a credit company notifying me that my credit card info got stolen? Oh well hey a Sony VP is having a press release clearing up some things about DRM on the console, sounds like they're going to leave DRM up to some company called EA, I like that idea.

/both consoles suck with DRM hopefully any new restrictions won't survive First Sale doctrine, or no one buys the new stuff.
 
2013-06-15 05:27:13 PM  

FitzShivering: BumpInTheNight: Andyr2120: but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.

Go home mouth of Sauron, you're drunk.

Hah.  I'm stealing that.


All good, its just a continuation of my Microsoft is Sauron line of comparisons.  We've got:
Eye of Sauron:  Living room edition
Ridiculous idiots still claiming to crave the One RROD, how precious.
Redmond / Mount Doom?  Coincidence?  I think not.
It takes great evil to make even Sonyman's consumer practices look open and well intentioned.

I bet there's more but I haven't had enough to drink yet today.
 
2013-06-15 05:27:25 PM  

kendelrio: Paid shill like typing detected.


BullBearMS: Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.


Alts?

I mean, this is Fark and all, but if the crux of your response to someones points is that they must be paid shills, you have lost the argument.  The closes thing I know unequivocally to being a shill is Paul Thurrott and he gave a pretty scathing critique (with what MS should do) in his column.
 
2013-06-15 05:27:26 PM  
I see a lot of XBONEs under millions of X'mas trees this year. Why? because gradnparents and 12 yr old kids don't know and don't care about DRM, Kinect, always on etc.
To them it's more about buying into the marketing hype and the games they can play on XBONE. Also peer pressure because most of their buddies have XBONEs as well,
 
2013-06-15 05:28:15 PM  
I'm just an average gamer. I think people are being too harsh on Microsoft's X-Box One. I was utterly blown away with the footage revealed at E3. Microsoft has proven they are taking gaming into a whole new generation. I wouldn't want to buy that other system, unless you want to be left in the digital dust. I will be purchasing two Microsoft's X-Box One systems, and will recommend it to all my friends. I encourage you to do the same.
 
2013-06-15 05:28:37 PM  
MithrandirBooga: And PC users love them.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who will claim to love Origin.
 
2013-06-15 05:28:48 PM  
Doesn't seem to be primarily aimed at pleasing gamers, rather richer people who want less black boxes cluttering their living rooms... replaced with one Orwellian one.
 
2013-06-15 05:28:54 PM  

Elegy: BullBearMS: Elegy: Software structure and GUI response time make a big difference in the end user experience. Do try to keep up.

Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

XBone's hardware is a full third less powerful when it comes to graphics than the PS4.

That's just a fact, no matter how you try to spin it.

Costs more. Does less.

I love the fact that anyone who actually prefers the 360 to PC gaming or a PS3 MUST be a paid shill.

I own both a PS3 and a 360. Despite the PS3 having more computing power its marginally better graphics, the experience of using the machine is vastly slower than the 360.

So yes, the PS3 is "faster" than the 360 - hence the better graphics. But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability. It is vastly frustrating, the 360 by far is a much faster, smoother experience, despite the lower quality of graphics.

If you really don't understand that raw numbers do not necessarily mean a faster, less frustrating experience on the user's end, then you must not know much about computers.


Wait, those people actually exist? There are people who like paying more for games, getting less and not being able to download mods? Is there a large masochist gaming community where you live? Around here anyone who builds a gaming PC admits it is better in about 2 days.
 
2013-06-15 05:29:24 PM  
Question for any Kinect users here. Do you guys mount the unit on top of the 360, or do you place it in an optimal position for what it's supposed to do? It seems that integrating the Kinect with the console, may force people to either place the One in an open area of their entertainment center. What happens if you don't have a kinect, nor the optimal room for it to work? Although that last question would be more towards movement based games.
 
2013-06-15 05:29:25 PM  

Nefarious: Well here is the latest copy of this thread.
Now I hate the required check in but where have people gotten the idea that if your x-box fails to check in the system will not return to normal functioning after an internet connection is restored?  Does anyone have a citation to that or is it just exaggeration that has become "truth".   I'll probably end up with both eventually unless XBone goes the way of the Dreamcast.

/MS is going in the direction gaming seems irrevocably headed towards.  We may not like it but we may not be able to stop the slide towards digital and licenses.  It's what the developers want in their heart of hearts (Saying so may not be the best public relations at the moment)  Hopefully MS will compromise with a potential alternate check on a disc and as long as you have the disc in the drive it will work...
/in 2002 broadband was in 12% of US homes... but Microsoft built a service that required it anyway.


You can change the direction gaming is going so very easily, you must be functionally retarded to not have noticed.  You've been given a ballot, now cast it.  Either you vote for DRM, monitoring, and generally shiatty behavior, or you vote for the console that doesn't include any of that.

If the children screaming and crying about the various features and how horrible they are, actually DID NOT BUY the farking console, then GUESS WHAT?  NEXT gen consoles won't have that stuff.  It's shocking, I know, but that is actually how it works.

However, most of you children will buy it anyway.  I'm not sure why exactly, but you will, and MS knows it.  So yes, gaming (well, that shiat you guys call games) is sliding ever further into a black hole of garbage.  Just like Television did, and radio, and movies.  So basically, this industry makes money, and so now you have the leeches and MBA's trying to maximize that money.  Yearly editions of games.  Check.  Subscription fees for services that have been FREE since before you were born, CHECK.  Crippling DRM, the elimination of first sale doctrine, AND monitoring, CHECK.

farking stupid fan bois biatching and moaning while they count their dollars waiting for the day they can drop 600+ $ on a console they claim to "hate".  Check.

Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p.  Oh, and I can play all the really big games, that your console can't handle.  Your console is a crippled children's toy, the fact that you don't even realize that is really rather amusing to those of us with real gaming machines.

You morons got sold a bill of goods, and you bought it so hard the hook is still in your mouth for the next bill of goods.
 
2013-06-15 05:31:26 PM  

Nefarious: Now I hate the required check in but where have people gotten the idea that if your x-box fails to check in the system will not return to normal functioning after an internet connection is restored?


So far you're the only person I've seen make the claim that people are making that claim. The only issue the article mentions is "consumer concerns over mandatory connectivity checks," which is quite different from how you're framing it.
 
2013-06-15 05:32:51 PM  

Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p


Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.
 
2013-06-15 05:33:25 PM  

RyansPrivates: kendelrio: Paid shill like typing detected.

BullBearMS: Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

Alts?

I mean, this is Fark and all, but if the crux of your response to someones points is that they must be paid shills, you have lost the argument.  The closes thing I know unequivocally to being a shill is Paul Thurrott and he gave a pretty scathing critique (with what MS should do) in his column.


There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill
 
2013-06-15 05:34:22 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I see a lot of XBONEs under millions of X'mas trees this year. Why? because gradnparents and 12 yr old kids don't know and don't care about DRM, Kinect, always on etc.
To them it's more about buying into the marketing hype and the games they can play on XBONE. Also peer pressure because most of their buddies have XBONEs as well,


It would be the only thing under the tree. Average christmas spending for entire families is about the cost of an xbox one and two games.
 
2013-06-15 05:34:54 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I see a lot of XBONEs under millions of X'mas trees this year. Why? because gradnparents and 12 yr old kids don't know and don't care about DRM, Kinect, always on etc.
To them it's more about buying into the marketing hype and the games they can play on XBONE. Also peer pressure because most of their buddies have XBONEs as well,


Your vision of Christmas is deeply clouded.  You are right that Grandparents don't know or care about DRM.  However, they do care about two things: What their kids are screaming for, and what the price is.  Gaming kids are not going to be screaming for an XBONE.  And what few there are that do?  Grandparents will see the extra $100 and go "Meh, Timmy can deal with this Pee Ess Four-thingy."
 
2013-06-15 05:35:19 PM  

DrunkenIrishOD: Whew glad Sony is making sure that we don't have to worry to much about drm at all!  Hold on I'm having a problem with the SONY BMG CD does anybody know how to uninstall a rootkit. Oh I also got some mail from a credit company notifying me that my credit card info got stolen? Oh well hey a Sony VP is having a press release clearing up some things about DRM on the console, sounds like they're going to leave DRM up to some company called EA, I like that idea.

/both consoles suck with DRM hopefully any new restrictions won't survive First Sale doctrine, or no one buys the new stuff.


Here's the bottom line. MS is making DRM mandatory, online mandatory, and used gaming restrictions mandatory. Sony is making all of those up to the publisher, and some are impossible.

So guess who I like more now? Every console company has done horrible things to their customers at one point. Assuming Microsoft hasn't done any high level dickery like Sony's done shows just how biased or stupid you are.
 
2013-06-15 05:35:44 PM  

Alonjar: MithrandirBooga: And PC users love them.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who will claim to love Origin.


Yup, orifice was the tipping point for me to avoid EA titles that are exclusive upon it and so far that's been proven several times now as a good policy.

Seriously, Steam, Amazong and sorta Gamefly are at least attempting to be independent of the publishers and offer wide variety of content, Origin is just EA's avarice in a crashy app form factor that sits on your desktop scanning your C drive for no good reason.  Its no better then U(FIA)play from Ubisoft (which thank god they've claimed they're backing away from).  Its like HBO's streaming service:  Tits on a bull because the content maker is full of themself and won't give the consumer what we actually really want.

I like knowing that there's separation between the content provider and the content creator, no one particular entity should have such indiscriminate power over my entertainment options.

/still kinda annoyed that when gamefly ate direct2drive they didn't retain all the licenses and thus some of my games bought from D2D still aren't available
//ah well, lesson learnt and basically I don't see anyone capable of eating steam.
 
2013-06-15 05:38:15 PM  

MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.


Throwing steam in with that list of garbage proves you don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

Steam has only one built in DRM, it checks, when you first run a game, if the license is legit.  Literally everything else is publishers adding DRM layers.  Steam allows infinite offline play, requires an internet connection ONLY ONCE, and frankly, it just works really really well.  Also, steam sales.

Origin is a joke, and not a very funny one.  Amazon is a "me too service" and won't last.  Gamefly is a rental service and I have never met anyone that uses it, except children on consoles.

Basically, you just poured a large amount of bullshiat through your teeth into your keyboard.
 
2013-06-15 05:39:07 PM  

RyansPrivates: kendelrio: Paid shill like typing detected.

BullBearMS: Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

Alts?

I mean, this is Fark and all, but if the crux of your response to someones points is that they must be paid shills, you have lost the argument.  The closes thing I know unequivocally to being a shill is Paul Thurrott and he gave a pretty scathing critique (with what MS should do) in his column.


My response was in reply to the use of buzzwords not normally used in conversation and trying to paint a turd gold and sell it as a troy ounce.
 
2013-06-15 05:39:08 PM  

Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill


Certain keywords and similar phrases popping up are also kind of giveaways. I keep seeing a lot of different people saying 'innovation' and 'blown away' and 'taking gaming into the future/next generation/to the next level' and variants on those themes. When you see those same phrases pop up, it really gives credence to the 'reputation management' theory.
 
2013-06-15 05:39:15 PM  

Elegy: I own both a PS3 and a 360. Despite the PS3 having more computing power its marginally better graphics, the experience of using the machine is vastly slower than the 360.


Since you can't count to potato, let's repeat this bit.

There's no escaping the fact that Microsoft has given the Xbox One less GPU hardware than Sony gave the PlayStation 4. Note that unlike the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 era, Sony's hardware advantage here won't need any clever developer work to extract - the architectures are near identical, Sony just has more resources available to use.

XBone costs 100 bucks more, but is one third slower on graphics.
 
2013-06-15 05:40:23 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Andyr2120: Nerd rage is a terrible thing.  Me, I'm getting both, but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.

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Holy crap, I haven't seen Pokey in years!

/HOORJ!
 
2013-06-15 05:40:23 PM  

Elegy: But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability.


What games are you playing? Longest I've ever had to wait to start a PS3 game is maybe 30-45 seconds, after the initial install/update of course.
 
2013-06-15 05:41:11 PM  

taxandspend: I for one would love to know about these games from E3 that left you "utterly blown away" because everything I saw barely rose above the "meh" levels. Only two games that really rocked my socks was Bayonetta 2 and Tearaway.


You must have missed the part about television integration in Microsoft's X-Box One. You can now easily watch your Netflix videos on demand with a simple voice command. These are the kinds of innovative features that will make life so much easier. The games are just icing on the cake.
 
2013-06-15 05:41:43 PM  

igorknowsall: Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.


Similar story here.  One day I hit pause and asked myself, "What the fark am I doing?".

Been clean since 96'
 
2013-06-15 05:42:26 PM  

Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.


Because my smugness of being a master race PC gamer knows no bounds:  5760x1080, yes that's three 1080p monitors and yes games play across all three to create amazing immersion.

Link to a 5760x1080 screen shot of Skyrim, for instance
 
2013-06-15 05:42:57 PM  

kendelrio: RyansPrivates: kendelrio: Paid shill like typing detected.

BullBearMS: Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

Alts?

I mean, this is Fark and all, but if the crux of your response to someones points is that they must be paid shills, you have lost the argument.  The closes thing I know unequivocally to being a shill is Paul Thurrott and he gave a pretty scathing critique (with what MS should do) in his column.

My response was in reply to the use of buzzwords not normally used in conversation and trying to paint a turd gold and sell it as a troy ounce.


Especially when they work so hard to ignore what is known about the PS4 and Xbone (both will require you to install the games on the local hard disk before plying) to go on and on about how loading levels off the optical disk is slow.
 
2013-06-15 05:43:56 PM  

Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.


This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.
 
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2013-06-15 05:44:04 PM  
A recent poll of over 280,000 consolegamers shows that 81% of respondents favored the PS4 over the Xbone

FTFY
 
2013-06-15 05:44:12 PM  

MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.


There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.

The used game/digital distribution, check in once a day shiat, ip region locking is just twisting the knife, pouring salt in the wound and then wrapping it in a rubbing alcohol bandage.

Get bent MS. Never thought I'd pick a sony product over them again.
 
2013-06-15 05:45:04 PM  

Satan's Girlfriend: taxandspend: I for one would love to know about these games from E3 that left you "utterly blown away" because everything I saw barely rose above the "meh" levels. Only two games that really rocked my socks was Bayonetta 2 and Tearaway.

You must have missed the part about television integration in Microsoft's X-Box One. You can now easily watch your Netflix videos on demand with a simple voice command*. These are the kinds of innovative features that will make life so much easier. The games are just icing on the cake.


*If you also pay for xbox live gold because it totally makes sense for MS to charge  you to access your netflix account

/just adding so people don't forget
 
2013-06-15 05:45:48 PM  

Elegy: Steam has proven that gamers don't necessarily care about single use licenses, but developers do, perhaps providing more incentive for developer exclusives to the XB1.


I'll repost what I wrote in the other thread:

Steam (and the gradual transformation of computer games into digital product) provided discernible, meaningful benefits for consumers at every step of the process.  When players needed product keys, it was a compromise for giving players a standardized means of access to the online multiplayer modes being shipped with their games.  Note that this did not stop people from freely distributing the game for use in single-player or for use in Local Area Network modes.  When Steam got popular, it took the system created by the product keys and, after a couple of years, turned it into something that provided advantages over the old system, providing more convenience to players.  And most importantly, Valve adjusted their prices to compensate for the transformation of boxed, retail goods into a digital service.  Players gained benefit from the process at every level, and with help from the people who crack this software, maintain full access to the software should they desire it.  Not tell me, what benefit do you think I'm going to get for console video games by taking a largely ubiquitous, convenient, and easy form of game distribution (one which can readily be cracked and emulated for use on personal computers) and replacing it with a walled garden where there is a very realistic chance the games will never find an emulated format?

If you're a game developer in the publishing ecosystem, you should be looking at getting the hell out of there right about now, because your overlords are trying to create a system where your game only exists for as long as it is profitable.  And yes, this business model threatens the very preservation of video games.  There is nothing okay about this.  Vidya art is at stake here.  The only good thing is that most of the games which use client-server models and systemic failure as a business choice and not a necessity (Diablo III, 2013's SimCity, League of Legends, DotA 2, StarCraft II etc.) aren't very good and we won't be losing anything of significant value...yet.
 
2013-06-15 05:45:55 PM  

Kahabut: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

Throwing steam in with that list of garbage proves you don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

Steam has only one built in DRM, it checks, when you first run a game, if the license is legit.  Literally everything else is publishers adding DRM layers.  Steam allows infinite offline play, requires an internet connection ONLY ONCE, and frankly, it just works really really well.  Also, steam sales.

Origin is a joke, and not a very funny one.  Amazon is a "me too service" and won't last.  Gamefly is a rental service and I have never met anyone that uses it, except children on consoles.

Basically, you just poured a large amount of bullshiat through your teeth into your keyboard.



I'd be real careful about claiming someone is full of shiat while being full of shiat yourself. Here's a screenshot I just took:

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2013-06-15 05:46:22 PM  

Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.


3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)
 
2013-06-15 05:47:21 PM  

Arachnophobe: Certain keywords and similar phrases popping up are also kind of giveaways. I keep seeing a lot of different people saying 'innovation' and 'blown away' and 'taking gaming into the future/next generation/to the next level' and variants on those themes. When you see those same phrases pop up, it really gives credence to the 'reputation management' theory.


Why would Microsoft need to provide positive press for the Xbox One™?  This system is going to redefine the way we look at interactive entertainment, where I can begin my day with Nike Trainer Plus™ for Kinect™, watch The Price Is Right™ during the day, and end it with an intense Halo™ match on Xbox Live™.  Wow.  This is an amazing system.
 
2013-06-15 05:47:44 PM  

Elegy: BullBearMS: Elegy: Software structure and GUI response time make a big difference in the end user experience. Do try to keep up.

Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

XBone's hardware is a full third less powerful when it comes to graphics than the PS4.

That's just a fact, no matter how you try to spin it.

Costs more. Does less.

I love the fact that anyone who actually prefers the 360 to PC gaming or a PS3 MUST be a paid shill.

I own both a PS3 and a 360. Despite the PS3 having more computing power its marginally better graphics, the experience of using the machine is vastly slower than the 360.

So yes, the PS3 is "faster" than the 360 - hence the better graphics. But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability. It is vastly frustrating, the 360 by far is a much faster, smoother experience, despite the lower quality of graphics.

If you really don't understand that raw numbers do not necessarily mean a faster, less frustrating experience on the user's end, then you must not know much about computers.


I'm not entering this on either side of the console war (I'm out - consoles are a horrible place to be a dev nowadays), just wanted to provide my $0.02 worth of console development experience.

Back when I was a first party Sony developer back in the Playstation 1 days, there was a wall between us and the "real" first party developers in Japan. We got very little technical support or help in getting the most out of the architecture. We really resented that; the Japanese internal devs were getting great performance out of it and we had to figure out ourselves the best way to use it. It was a frustrating waste of our resources because we were reinventing wheels instead of putting time and energy toward what made a game fun. The Xbox was somewhat more open, not that tech support was any better but MS was less territorial about everything. Well, maybe "indifferent" is more accurate.

End anecdote. Sony and MS may/may not still behave that way.

Back then the money was in consoles. PC gaming had it's niche, but consoles was growing and was diverse. Now the console gaming economy is shrinking, and to the extent that there's any money to be made in it, it's only in sequels to last year's billion dollar Warcraft / Military FPS / Sports/Madden/FIFA.

The exciting stuff is in Steam or mobile. I got the hell out of consoles because it sucks being in studios that bet everything chasing the billion dollar franchise and being a faceless dev on teams of 250+.  Now I'm on smaller teams (again, like on the early days of consoles) where dev cycles are months not years, and a mild success pays your bills for the next year or two.
 
2013-06-15 05:47:59 PM  

Satan's Girlfriend: You must have missed the part about television integration in Microsoft's X-Box One. You can now easily watch your Netflix videos on demand with a simple voice command. These are the kinds of innovative features that will make life so much easier. The games are just icing on the cake.


Holy shiat!!! I can watch Netflix with a simple push of a button without paying $60 to Microsoft!
 
2013-06-15 05:48:02 PM  
Huh, all this sounds kinda familiar...

"Divx, which effectively had its plug pulled by Circuit City yesterday, wasn't just another example of a technology that failed to catch on. Instead, it was a widely hated platform hounded to its death by disgruntled consumers fearful of getting stuck in a Betamax quandary."

Those who fail to learn are doomed to repeat. Pissing off the core consumers (who are fairly informed) tends to be a bad market decision.

/Sticking with my glorious PC master race gaming, myself
 
2013-06-15 05:50:59 PM  
We already have direct evidence that Microsoft is actively paying people to post pro-bone stuff on the web.  Rumors suggest lots of low-post-count people all over the web being very very very pro-ryse, which looked like the lamest game.
 
2013-06-15 05:51:53 PM  

Dafatone: Lots of people wanted a Steam console.  This is a Steam console.

/the 24hour check-in thing is dumb and kind of a problem, though.


My Steam client installation has never required the presence of a webcam.
 
2013-06-15 05:52:01 PM  

Kahabut: Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.


Yo, wtf monitor did that?  I know of the 2650x1600s but never a genuine square resolution CRT...on this topic you see the 2650x1080s that are showing up?  Saw one in the flesh at a PC shop the other day and it just caught me off guard how wide the damn things are, figure triple of those would be hilarious but its really bridging into 2x3 land at that point and meh might as well wait for the 4Ks to start showing up and just use some 30" versions of them instead.
 
2013-06-15 05:52:03 PM  

MithrandirBooga: Kahabut: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

Throwing steam in with that list of garbage proves you don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

Steam has only one built in DRM, it checks, when you first run a game, if the license is legit.  Literally everything else is publishers adding DRM layers.  Steam allows infinite offline play, requires an internet connection ONLY ONCE, and frankly, it just works really really well.  Also, steam sales.

Origin is a joke, and not a very funny one.  Amazon is a "me too service" and won't last.  Gamefly is a rental service and I have never met anyone that uses it, except children on consoles.

Basically, you just poured a large amount of bullshiat through your teeth into your keyboard.


I'd be real careful about claiming someone is full of shiat while being full of shiat yourself. Here's a screenshot I just took:

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OK, so gamefly added a store function.  Excuse me for not keeping up with the latest trend.  It really doesn't change anything else.

Steam is a solid service with a long history of doing the right thing for the gamers.  Everything else is "metoo" and most of them are horrible at it.  Cough, origin, cough.
 
2013-06-15 05:53:37 PM  
I think it's also worth mentioning that Mountain Dew and Dorito's are currently creating an unprecedented experience surrounding the Microsoft's X-Box One! As an average gamer I thought this was radical, because I love both Mountain Dew and Dorito's. Head on over to http://www.dewanddoritos.com/ for more details. Be sure to tell all your friends to sign up.
 
2013-06-15 05:54:46 PM  

Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.



Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour
 
2013-06-15 05:55:00 PM  

Satan's Girlfriend: I think it's also worth mentioning that Mountain Dew and Dorito's are currently creating an unprecedented experience surrounding the Microsoft's X-Box One! As an average gamer I thought this was radical, because I love both Mountain Dew and Dorito's. Head on over to http://www.dewanddoritos.com/ for more details. Be sure to tell all your friends to sign up.


Okay okay, now I'm not sure if you're just making fun of shilling at this point :P
 
2013-06-15 05:55:01 PM  
"Gamers" are an increasingly small amount of the market.
This poll was done on a video game news site (albeit one that's quite established and popular) so it's not necessarily indicative of the population as a whole.

How many articles need to be written about this exact subject, anyway? Anyone who cares already knows from the previous 50,000 articles.
 
2013-06-15 05:55:06 PM  

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?

For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.


I'm sorry, but you sound like a goddamn Microsoft shill; because no gamers (casual or hardcore) is gonna buy that line of BS.
 
2013-06-15 05:55:17 PM  

Xythero: I can't wait for the PS4 to come out, because that is probably when I will buy a PS3.

/cheapskate


I'm still rocking the PS2.  I have probably 15 games for it, and I don't think I've spent $120 total.

34 and married.  I just don't play often enough to warrant a bigger gaming budget.  We'd rather put that money towards vacations.
 
2013-06-15 05:56:11 PM  

Alonjar: Andyr2120: People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.

aaaand I stopped reading here.  I know lots of people with xbox/kinect, including myself.  I dont know a single person who actually keeps the thing plugged in.  Its just too creepy, and honestly farking pointless.  Flailing your arms around to give the TV commands is NOT more intuitive than pushing a button, sorry.

Also, anybody who has ever actually tried to game with kinect has realized that its clunky and has shiat for games.  They've had quite awhile to release some good kinect titles... they all blow.  Dancing and kids petting animals are the only two things anyone actually uses a kinect for.

I refuse to have an always on spy device watching me all the time.  I physically disable the camera on my laptop and other devices as well.

/Im an xbox loyalist too... but fark you microsoft.  fark you.


And don't get me started on thumb joysticks! D-pads have always worked perfectly fine. And besides, thumb joysticks are way too sensitive and will work horribly compared to the d-pad. D-pads are just so much more intuitive and better. And why put games on CDs? CDs scratch and wear out and aren't nearly as reliable as cartridges. If cartridges were good enough for the NES, they're good enough for the Xbox. And why are there so many buttons? 2 is more than enough. Any more is counterintuitive and will just confuse people.

That's what kinnect whiners sound like. Its 20-farking-13. Stop clinging to the past and preventing innovation, you luddite farksticks.
 
2013-06-15 05:57:17 PM  

Gleeman: Elegy: But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability.

What games are you playing? Longest I've ever had to wait to start a PS3 game is maybe 30-45 seconds, after the initial install/update of course.


I'm specifically thinking of Uncharted 3, Dragon Age, FF13-2, and the mass effect games.

Uncharted 3 and Dragon Age were by far the worst offenders. Beautiful games, but level to level load times were 30-45 seconds, and the startup load time for both was 2+ minutes.
 
2013-06-15 05:57:34 PM  

Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)


4k TVs will be the best thing to happen to video games in awhile. When console players expect at least 3840 × 2160 it will be a nice change. Even better when 8k starts to filter in.
 
2013-06-15 05:57:39 PM  
AdamK: "no 24 hr check needed"

The 24 hr check *is* a touch unnecessary. But the account tying is rather implicit in digital distribution.
They've basically got a 'Steam on Day 1' pitch at the moment. Discs have all the drawbacks of both, account bans kill purchases, no offline play to speak of, etc.

Valve got it right, eventually. So why not MS, eventually?

Either way, console gaming is going to look a lot more like MS's pitch than Sony's, long before this 'generation' is out.
 
2013-06-15 06:02:23 PM  

Elegy: Gleeman: Elegy: But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability.

What games are you playing? Longest I've ever had to wait to start a PS3 game is maybe 30-45 seconds, after the initial install/update of course.

I'm specifically thinking of Uncharted 3, Dragon Age, FF13-2, and the mass effect games.

Uncharted 3 and Dragon Age were by far the worst offenders. Beautiful games, but level to level load times were 30-45 seconds, and the startup load time for both was 2+ minutes.


The Uncharted games all worked the same, they had one mildly long load when you started or loaded a game, and the rest loaded seamlessly as you played.

As someone who played and beat all three games, you are completely and utterly full of shiat here.
 
2013-06-15 06:02:49 PM  
Just wanted to say hi to the MS shills here on FARK. Hi.
 
2013-06-15 06:03:05 PM  

MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour


Every winter. People in NE frequently lose power for 3-5 days it is why everyone has generators. Parts Vermont lost power for weeks last year. Why shouldn't I be able to play single player video games off a generator when the internet is down?
 
2013-06-15 06:03:28 PM  

MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour


Ok, you want me to be honest? Does last week work for you? Internet service was out for 3 days.

In fact right now, my wireless service is out.

Another example, Tropical Storm Sandy did a particularly nasty number on the telelphone/cable lines here (the cable lines around here aren't buried. They are strung from poles). Power was restored in two days. Internet? two weeks.

And I live in a fairly populous state with access to a lot of creature comforts given I live in the mountain area of my state. The only thing we don't have is Fios. We got 4G LTE this winter. Doesn't mean jackshiat though.

You were saying?

Oh and you saying that people will have routers monitoring the data sent back and forth from the XB1, well we shouldn't have TO DO THAT IN THE FIRST DAMN PLACE.

We wouldn't know that the NSA was basically downloading the entire internet had someone not blown the whistle, I don't want a camera in my house pointed at me unless I'm filming a sex tape.
 
2013-06-15 06:03:43 PM  
I'm probably buying an Xbox One as soon as I can, and this is why.

The Kinect sounds incredibly interesting. I know it's always on, and I honestly don't care. I like the possibilities that the camera/voice interaction can bring. I like the novelty of being able to control my entertainment system with a gesture. It seems fun, intuitive, and would be something I could share with friends.

I also remember Xbox requiring broadband for their service, back when only like 1 in 5 households even had broadband. They were looking for a console that would cater to the new customers that were on the way. Microsoft has the capital to sustain a money losing prospect for long enough to turn a huge profit on it, so I figure most of you folks who are so pissed right now will end up buying one, eventually.

I also like a dozen of 15(?) exclusives. For a gaming system, PS4 doesn't seem to care to give you special exclusive games. If Xbox One was somehow jipping the gamers to offer the extra features, why do they have so much money invested in exclusive, highly desirable games?
A massive cloud to support the gaming system is attractive to me too. Microsoft is pumping a ton of cash into this, they're putting in the work, I think they're likely to continue to improve the system. Xbox One will serve me as a gaming platform just fine.

My main concern, I suppose, is the Red Ring of Death incident. They really farked up that hole deal. I was personally burned on this one issue 3 times, although the fourth one they've sent me works fine, and all in all It didn't cos tme any money other than weeks of waiting for the mail.
I hope they don't repeat this. It's not like Sony, having installed viruses onto my computer not too long ago, is all peaches and cream in my book either.

If Xbox doesn't offer at least  a 1 year warranty on the system, as a default, I will reconsider my choice.


I'll also buy a PS4, when they get some exclusives that I want.

And the crazy thing is, I'm a PC gamer. :)


What does tick me off is the responses from Microsoft. They sure do know how to be dickish in their PR.
 
2013-06-15 06:03:46 PM  
And yet somehow the PS4 and XB1 have spent the better part of the week flip flopping between the #1 and #2 spots on Amazon's sales chart for video games. It's almost as if they're going after the general public instead of a niche of self important hardcore gamers. They'll be much happier with a thousand customers that buy ten games and ten who buy a hundred games.

/Obviously scale those numbers into millions
 
2013-06-15 06:05:51 PM  
What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
 
2013-06-15 06:08:12 PM  

Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


yep, and microsoft just had their $599 moment

/only worse
 
2013-06-15 06:08:42 PM  

kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.


My games download from Steam faster than they do over the torrents...much faster. They have sales and all of my games are in one place (which can be convenient, like when I lost my HL2 discs).
 
2013-06-15 06:08:45 PM  

EngineerAU: And yet somehow the PS4 and XB1 have spent the better part of the week flip flopping between the #1 and #2 spots on Amazon's sales chart for video games. It's almost as if they're going after the general public instead of a niche of self important hardcore gamers. They'll be much happier with a thousand customers that buy ten games and ten who buy a hundred games.

/Obviously scale those numbers into millions


Amazon is doing no money down preorders. I preorded 3 of each: If either is popular I'll pay for it and sell it on Craigslist around Christmas for a markup. If I can't sell it, Amazon offers free returns and I"m not out anything.
 
2013-06-15 06:09:56 PM  

Elegy: Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.


I'm really just observing all this but I don't think it's because of "Micro$oft".
 
2013-06-15 06:10:03 PM  

Carth: Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)

4k TVs will be the best thing to happen to video games in awhile. When console players expect at least 3840 × 2160 it will be a nice change. Even better when 8k starts to filter in.


Holy crap that's going to be mind-blowing.
 
2013-06-15 06:10:07 PM  

ringersol: AdamK: "no 24 hr check needed"

The 24 hr check *is* a touch unnecessary. But the account tying is rather implicit in digital distribution.
They've basically got a 'Steam on Day 1' pitch at the moment. Discs have all the drawbacks of both, account bans kill purchases, no offline play to speak of, etc.

Valve got it right, eventually. So why not MS, eventually?

Either way, console gaming is going to look a lot more like MS's pitch than Sony's, long before this 'generation' is out.


k, lemme know when that happens, also lemme know when they reverse all the things i listed earlier in this thread, and when the machine is $99
 
2013-06-15 06:10:25 PM  

EkimProx: People don't understand that you're never going to get amazing deals like you get on Steam without DRM. Beats the holy hell out of trading in The Last of Us for $30 tomorrow at GameStop so they'll sell it for $54. You want cheap games? You want to buy used games? If you have DRM then you can download them in the future for a fraction of the cost.


Keep earning that check, shill. You really think anyone's going to suddenly think, gee hes right, i should love the 24 check in that prevents me from using the Xboxone one in certain areas of the country?
 
2013-06-15 06:10:40 PM  
Yes, let the rage fill you.
 
2013-06-15 06:11:16 PM  
I'll never buy another Sony console until they make a controller that makes sense with human hands. Not sure why they continue to put the D-pad in the prime real estate of the controller. N64 was the first good analogue console controller, and the 2nd generation of original Xbox controllers took a step further. That being said, the new Xbox One doesn't do much for me that my PCs can't already do, with Steam Big Picture and a wireless xbox controller adapter I can play new AAA console titles on my PC for 75% cheaper per title. Most games I play are better with keyboard and mouse anyhow, you simply can't have the same depth of game experience with any controller currently out there.
 
2013-06-15 06:11:36 PM  

Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.
 
2013-06-15 06:12:05 PM  

sat1va: I'll never buy another Sony console until they make a controller that makes sense with human hands. Not sure why they continue to put the D-pad in the prime real estate of the controller. N64 was the first good analogue console controller, and the 2nd generation of original Xbox controllers took a step further. That being said, the new Xbox One doesn't do much for me that my PCs can't already do, with Steam Big Picture and a wireless xbox controller adapter I can play new AAA console titles on my PC for 75% cheaper per title. Most games I play are better with keyboard and mouse anyhow, you simply can't have the same depth of game experience with any controller currently out there.


Preach it.
 
2013-06-15 06:12:12 PM  

Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.


I was doing 2048x1536 well before 1080p screens even existed in the USA.

/Trinitron CRT, baby, 21"
 
2013-06-15 06:12:40 PM  
I finally got decent flat screen with HDMI and the X360 isn't doing a whole lot for me any longer.

Picked up a PS3 just for grins, first time owning one, and it's kinda impressive.

I don't trade games, but the PS4 is calling to me because:

1.  The Microsoft announcements were full of douchebaggery.  Unapologetic douchebaggery again and again.
2.  The Sony guys were fun and seemed to know their demographic.
3.  MS didn't seem to know their asses from a hole in the ground.
4.  The only titles I'm interested in, that I can't get on the PC are - Destiny and Dust 514 (the upgraded version).  I'm sure there will be other PS4 titles coming out that are interesting to me - but the new Xbox didn't have ANYTHING to interesting me.  Online media, and driving games.  Ohh boy.
 
2013-06-15 06:13:35 PM  

Carth: MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour

Every winter. People in NE frequently lose power for 3-5 days it is why everyone has generators. Parts Vermont lost power for weeks last year. Why shouldn't I be able to play single player video games off a generator when the internet is down?


Chiming in on that point. I work offshore in the Gulf of Mexico and our PS3 gets connected MAYBE once every three months.
 
2013-06-15 06:14:07 PM  
Too many of these posts are looking like a god-damn press release that are really straining to sound genuine. It's as if someone in their 50s or 60s is directing people how to act cool to the gaming crowd. I'm bringing at least 4 of my XBox friends over with me to the PS4 after this boondoggle.
 
2013-06-15 06:14:39 PM  

pxlboy: kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.

My games download from Steam faster than they do over the torrents...much faster. They have sales and all of my games are in one place (which can be convenient, like when I lost my HL2 discs).


and that's been my take as well, sure I can't sell my games but that isn't really one of my behaviors any ways, the sales allow me to pick the price point I want and the DL speed is blazin'.  I have also not heard of steam arbitrarily knocking a few thousand users off their accounts because they so much as dared to mod some of the games they're playing either.  Basically I trust steam, I do not trust Sony, Microsoft and no f'in way Origin.  If Gamersgate would go back to 'paypal is optional' I'd continue bouncing purchases between them and Steam.  GoGs is a great service as well for what it is, frankly a lot of the older titles while nostalgic just don't play right on modern displays.

Steam is just a great platform and the new greenlight feature has opened my eyes to many many indie projects and hearing they're taking a solid run at doing gaming on Linux this might be the final nail in the Windows is my desktop because of DirectX gaming.  Neat stuff, win7 may actually be the last MS product I use.
 
2013-06-15 06:14:47 PM  

quiotu: Elegy: Gleeman: Elegy: But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability.

What games are you playing? Longest I've ever had to wait to start a PS3 game is maybe 30-45 seconds, after the initial install/update of course.

I'm specifically thinking of Uncharted 3, Dragon Age, FF13-2, and the mass effect games.

Uncharted 3 and Dragon Age were by far the worst offenders. Beautiful games, but level to level load times were 30-45 seconds, and the startup load time for both was 2+ minutes.

The Uncharted games all worked the same, they had one mildly long load when you started or loaded a game, and the rest loaded seamlessly as you played.

As someone who played and beat all three games, you are completely and utterly full of shiat here.


I played through all three Uncharted as well and the only thing that was annoying was the loading as they reset the level after you died. Of course, I upgraded the stock PS3 drive with a 500 GB 7200 RPM 16MB cache laptop drive, which made everything a lot snappier (except for the slow assed PSN Store).
 
2013-06-15 06:15:53 PM  

kendelrio: Carth: MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour

Every winter. People in NE frequently lose power for 3-5 days it is why everyone has generators. Parts Vermont lost power for weeks last year. Why shouldn't I be able to play single player video games off a generator when the internet is down?

Chiming in on that point. I work offshore in the Gulf of Mexico and our PS3 gets connected MAYBE once every three months.


microsoft has a product for you: it's called the xbox 360
 
2013-06-15 06:16:46 PM  
You know I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet, but you think maybe people are interested in the PS4 more because, I dunno... it's the only console they can get? The Xbox One is initially only workable in 21 countries... half of Europe and all of Asia are NOT covered.
 
2013-06-15 06:17:20 PM  

BumpInTheNight: pxlboy: kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.

My games download from Steam faster than they do over the torrents...much faster. They have sales and all of my games are in one place (which can be convenient, like when I lost my HL2 discs).

and that's been my take as well, sure I can't sell my games but that isn't really one of my behaviors any ways, the sales allow me to pick the price point I want and the DL speed is blazin'.  I have also not heard of steam arbitrarily knocking a few thousand users off their accounts because they so much as dared to mod some of the games they're playing either.  Basically I trust steam, I do not trust Sony, Microsoft and no f'in way Origin.  If Gamersgate would go back to 'paypal is optional' I'd continue bouncing purchases between them and Steam.  GoGs is a great service as well for what it is, frankly a lot of the older titles while nostalgic just don't play right on modern displays.

Steam is just a great platform and the new greenlight feature has opened my eyes to many many indie projects and hearing they're taking a solid run at doing gaming on Linux this might be the final nail in the Windows is my desktop because of DirectX gaming.  Neat stuff, win7 may actually be the last MS product I use.


No doubt. I pick up a new game on sale about once a week or so.
 
2013-06-15 06:18:00 PM  
As a long time X-Box fan, they can eat a dick. I'm eyeing a PS4.
 
2013-06-15 06:18:06 PM  

pxlboy: BumpInTheNight: pxlboy: kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.

My games download from Steam faster than they do over the torrents...much faster. They have sales and all of my games are in one place (which can be convenient, like when I lost my HL2 discs).

and that's been my take as well, sure I can't sell my games but that isn't really one of my behaviors any ways, the sales allow me to pick the price point I want and the DL speed is blazin'.  I have also not heard of steam arbitrarily knocking a few thousand users off their accounts because they so much as dared to mod some of the games they're playing either.  Basically I trust steam, I do not trust Sony, Microsoft and no f'in way Origin.  If Gamersgate would go back to 'paypal is optional' I'd continue bouncing purchases between them and Steam.  GoGs is a great service as well for what it is, frankly a lot of the older titles while nostalgic just don't play right on modern displays.

Steam is just a great platform and the new greenlight feature has opened my eyes to many many indie projects and hearing they're taking a solid run at doing gaming on Linux this might be the final nail in the Windows is my desktop because of DirectX gaming.  Neat stuff, win7 may actually be the last MS product I use.

No doubt. I pick up a new game on sale about once a week or so.


I couldn't imagine the Japanese gaming market even being interested in XBox.
 
2013-06-15 06:18:59 PM  

quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.


Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.
 
2013-06-15 06:20:14 PM  

MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour


I am one of those people who doesn't have my PS3 connected to the internet. I currently can't afford internet in this area (my smartphone handles my basic online needs) and I like the fact that I can still play my games despite not having a constant connection. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been stuck with crappy internet that might go down for days on end randomly. It was never a common problem but when it did happen it was nice to still be able to use my gaming system to kill time until the problems were fixed.
 
2013-06-15 06:24:11 PM  

Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.


You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.
 
2013-06-15 06:28:44 PM  

Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.


Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.
 
2013-06-15 06:28:52 PM  

khyberkitsune: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

I was doing 2048x1536 well before 1080p screens even existed in the USA.

/Trinitron CRT, baby, 21"


But what was the refresh rate? From what I remember of those, when you maxed out the resolution, the refresh rate dropped down to 60Hz or below, which just made my eyes bleed because of the way CRT tech worked. Realistically, 1920x1440 was the highest you could go and still stay at a comfortable 85Hz.
 
2013-06-15 06:30:46 PM  

Elegy: You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.


Mr. Mattrick just heard about your behavior.  You have until the end of the day to get your stuff out of your desk.  If you have any questions, you can speak to me or any of the other supervisors, but your termination is final.
 
2013-06-15 06:35:38 PM  

Cheater71: Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.

Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.


Because you were listening to me and taking me seriously to begin with, amirite?
 
2013-06-15 06:37:59 PM  

Elegy: Cheater71: Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.

Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.

Because you were listening to me and taking me seriously to begin with, amirite?


Nah, this guy ain't a shill. Even Fark shills don't suck this bad. So, apologies for that.
 
2013-06-15 06:39:53 PM  

Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)


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Not to mention that most games for PS3 only run in 720P.

/WTF, The Last of Us?
 
2013-06-15 06:45:07 PM  

Gleeman: Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)

Not to mention that most games for PS3 only run in 720P.

/WTF, The Last of Us?


I judge games based on how fun they are when I play them, not how many pixels fit across the screen. But, whatever's important to you, yaknow?
 
2013-06-15 06:49:30 PM  

sat1va: I'll never buy another Sony console until they make a controller that makes sense with human hands. Not sure why they continue to put the D-pad in the prime real estate of the controller. N64 was the first good analogue console controller, and the 2nd generation of original Xbox controllers took a step further. That being said, the new Xbox One doesn't do much for me that my PCs can't already do, with Steam Big Picture and a wireless xbox controller adapter I can play new AAA console titles on my PC for 75% cheaper per title. Most games I play are better with keyboard and mouse anyhow, you simply can't have the same depth of game experience with any controller currently out there.


Well I dunno how reliable these are, but there are 3rd party controllers for Sony consoles that are ergonomically similar to the Xbox's:

http://www.powera.com/FUS1ON

http://www.target.com/p/ps3-pro-elite-wireless-controller-playstatio n- 3/-/A-13217769?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=%7C13217769 &CPNG=Electronics&kpid=13217769&ci_gpa=pla&ci_sku=13217769
 
2013-06-15 06:49:56 PM  

quiotu: Elegy: Cheater71: Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.

Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.

Because you were listening to me and taking me seriously to begin with, amirite?

Nah, this guy ain't a shill. Even Fark shills don't suck this bad. So, apologies for that.


I've been called a paid MS shill in every one of these threads I've participated in. Pardon me if I lack the patience to spar with witticisms at this point.
 
2013-06-15 06:51:02 PM  
MS would get so much less flak... if theyd just put a simple hardware shutter on the new kinect. Simple little piece of sliding plastic. I think its an amazing piece of technology, but i give it 3 years tops before it starts getting used by law enforcement in some cases.
 
2013-06-15 06:51:19 PM  

Carth: RyansPrivates: kendelrio: Paid shill like typing detected.

BullBearMS: Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

Alts?

I mean, this is Fark and all, but if the crux of your response to someones points is that they must be paid shills, you have lost the argument.  The closes thing I know unequivocally to being a shill is Paul Thurrott and he gave a pretty scathing critique (with what MS should do) in his column.

There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill


Wasn't aware of that, thanks for the link.  But I will say anyone who thinks that Sony, Warner Brothers, AT&T, Samsung or countless other companies haven't done this is kidding themselves.  I can name one company that probably hasn't done it: Apple.  They largely don't need to nor care since they are trading on being exclusive as a good thing.
 
2013-06-15 06:52:26 PM  
"Xbone"... "Micro$oft"?

How about X1 or XB1 and Microsoft? Yeah, I know that troll-like headlines are the norm on Fark these days, but this one just screams Sony fanboy.
 
2013-06-15 06:53:01 PM  

quiotu: Nah, this guy ain't a shill. Even Fark shills don't suck this bad. So, apologies for that.


If you want to find the shills, be sure to point out that XBone's GPU is a full third less powerful than the PS4.

Trust me, they can't possibly avoid the explosive butthurt this one little undeniable fact causes.
 
2013-06-15 06:54:39 PM  

Saborlas: If they nerf or ditch the "must check in" bit, I'm on board.

The ability to share your library (including DLC) with a friend has made loaning games easier. Your buddy wants to play Forza? He can play your copy without even acquiring the disc.


Once. Just once.
 
2013-06-15 06:57:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.

This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.


Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?  if not, we are not talking about the same thing.  Even the Wii can download some games.

By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One.  Can I expect a clever response?  If it were me, I'd go with the angle that changing nothing is better than breaking something.  It's a false dichotomy, but that's cool -- this is the internet.
 
2013-06-15 06:58:14 PM  

JohnnyC: "Xbone"... "Micro$oft"?

How about X1 or XB1 and Microsoft? Yeah, I know that troll-like headlines are the norm on Fark these days, but this one just screams Sony fanboy.


Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.
 
2013-06-15 06:59:13 PM  

Andyr2120: Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?


Yep. The Last of Us was available yesterday, same day as the release on disc

Andyr2120: By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One


I never made the assertion. Why would I try to explain something I never asserted?
 
2013-06-15 06:59:35 PM  

Cyno01: MS would get so much less flak... if theyd just put a simple hardware shutter on the new kinect. Simple little piece of sliding plastic. I think its an amazing piece of technology, but i give it 3 years tops before it starts getting used by law enforcement in some cases.


Paranoid prediction is paranoid. Luckily, nobody, including you, will remember your prediction in three years. Microsoft was going to get flak from Microsoft haters no matter what they did.
 
2013-06-15 07:00:15 PM  
Honestly, I don't know if I will buy either of them within a year of launch just for the simple fact I'm not a "Hardcore Gamer", Although picking between the two I'd have to go with PS4. 9 times out of 10, when I boot up my 360 I don't have it connected to the internet. Mostly I just play Madden, Monster Jam, Halo Reach in Wave Mode or the occasional random game of AvP. I play all of these offline because I normally don't have XBL Gold. I don't need a Multimedia All In One system, I have cable for TV and sports and the computer for Netflix. I'm not a religious gamer, I have two jobs plus my training, plus my chasing, so when I do game I don't want to worry about useless features. I'll probably just keep the 360 and not go Next Gen unless I have the extra money for it and the time to play to justify it.
 
2013-06-15 07:00:23 PM  

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.

This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.

Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?  if not, we are not talking about the same thing.  Even the Wii can download some games.

By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One.  Can I expect a clever response?  If it were me, I'd go with the angle that changing nothing is better than breaking something.  It's a false dichotomy, but that's cool -- this is the internet.


I think you can, actually.
 
2013-06-15 07:00:44 PM  

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.

This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.

Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?  if not, we are not talking about the same thing.  Even the Wii can download some games.

By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One.  Can I expect a clever response?  If it were me, I'd go with the angle that changing nothing is better than breaking something.  It's a false dichotomy, but that's cool -- this is the internet.


Did you even watch their press conference? Yes, you will be able to download AAA games the day they are released. And since you can use any hard drive you want with it you don't even have to worry about filling up all the space and having to delete games.
 
2013-06-15 07:01:11 PM  

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.

This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.

Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?  if not, we are not talking about the same thing.  Even the Wii can download some games.

By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One.  Can I expect a clever response?  If it were me, I'd go with the angle that changing nothing is better than breaking something.  It's a false dichotomy, but that's cool -- this is the internet.


Yes, this is already available on the PS3. All PS3 games have a simultaneous release for the hard copy and the digital download. With PS+, they'll even occasionally give you a small discount, or bonus stuff for downloading it.
 
2013-06-15 07:01:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.


Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".
 
2013-06-15 07:02:24 PM  
As proof, here's The Last of Us available as a download on Sony's website:

http://us.playstation.com/games/the-last-of-us-ps3.html
 
2013-06-15 07:03:15 PM  

JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".


So, 81% of gamers, basically.
 
2013-06-15 07:03:31 PM  

Beerguy: I made a video specifically about the XBone for my gaming channel.

http://youtu.be/JVGQpFCyVJs


Why do people with zero public-speaking skills make video blogs?

Good on you for your service and for thinking about the troops, but it's not exactly the best argument against the Xbox.  What about that stinking camera?
 
2013-06-15 07:04:00 PM  

Elegy: quiotu: Elegy: Cheater71: Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.

Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.

Because you were listening to me and taking me seriously to begin with, amirite?

Nah, this guy ain't a shill. Even Fark shills don't suck this bad. So, apologies for that.

I've been called a paid MS shill in every one of these threads I've participated in. Pardon me if I lack the patience to spar with witticisms at this point.


That says more about you than anyone else.
 
2013-06-15 07:04:51 PM  

EkimProx: People don't understand that you're never going to get amazing deals like you get on Steam without DRM. Beats the holy hell out of trading in The Last of Us for $30 tomorrow at GameStop so they'll sell it for $54. You want cheap games? You want to buy used games? If you have DRM then you can download them in the future for a fraction of the cost.


So that's why GoG.com offers deals and cheap amazing games? The DRM.
 
2013-06-15 07:06:20 PM  

JohnnyC: Cyno01: MS would get so much less flak... if theyd just put a simple hardware shutter on the new kinect. Simple little piece of sliding plastic. I think its an amazing piece of technology, but i give it 3 years tops before it starts getting used by law enforcement in some cases.

Paranoid prediction is paranoid. Luckily, nobody, including you, will remember your prediction in three years. Microsoft was going to get flak from Microsoft haters no matter what they did.


Now don't get me wrong I don't even own any tinfoil let alone enough to make a hat, but in this particular climate and specifically the events of last week playing out how they did, you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?  and if not those kinds of entities going for it, every kinect is going to be an awful juicy target for lulz for every script kiddy from here to russia.  Because hacking webcams attached to PC-like systems is hard, right?
 
2013-06-15 07:09:39 PM  

ringersol: AdamK: "no 24 hr check needed"

The 24 hr check *is* a touch unnecessary. But the account tying is rather implicit in digital distribution.
They've basically got a 'Steam on Day 1' pitch at the moment. Discs have all the drawbacks of both, account bans kill purchases, no offline play to speak of, etc.

Valve got it right, eventually. So why not MS, eventually?

Either way, console gaming is going to look a lot more like MS's pitch than Sony's, long before this 'generation' is out.


Er, no.

Both Sony and Microsoft are heading in the same direction with regards to digital, but one is forcing it while the other is still giving consumers the option of physical media if they wish.

Honestly, what's wrong with choice? More options is a massive benefit to consumers. Sony allows people to choose, while Microsoft is forcing it, while offering less and charging more.
 
2013-06-15 07:10:17 PM  
Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...
 
2013-06-15 07:12:55 PM  

anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...


That sounds like it could make for a funny short film...or I'm just sleep-deprived.
 
2013-06-15 07:13:11 PM  

quiotu: Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'?


This.

Much like any other fundy/zealot/extreme liberal/trolly alt/shill, he's not trying so much to argue against what people are actually saying(typically legitimate) but attempting to straw man an argument that he can knock down, thinking it will be an easy win.

Wanting microsoft to fail =\= predictions about failure =\= hesitant combination of the two

Xbox was the first console I ever really liked(though I owned others, primarily it was the controller).
I really liked the 360 at first.  Until NXE dashboard, the Xii avatars, and streaming commercials to me on my dime.  I knew then I'd not re-up, it was an indication of the future.  Sure enough "Windows 8" is more like NXE 2, and xbox 1 is an anti-consumer piece invasive and tyrannical hardware providing nothing new.  It's a glorified set-top box that will brick if, not if, when internet has outages(even if they're not on my end), if I travel, if a storm comes, if they decide to ban me for saying a "dirty" word while online, etc.

What I'd like to see?  Anon DDOS MS servers just after christmas, pull it off for 24 hours plus.

Another thing I find humorous, is that you know a ton of these are going to be bought by unaware consumers and there are going to be floods of returns.  You think retailers are going to put up with that?  fark no.  MS will continue to take heat for selling something that so easily bricks(even if it's temporary), only they won't be able to tell wal-mart/bestbuy/costco to go shove it like they are consumers at the moment.  Bad things are going to happen if they don't back down on call-backs before release.
 
2013-06-15 07:14:21 PM  

anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...


Or one of those outsourcing companies that contracts to whatever company de-jour wants them to astroturf on their behalf.  Its neat once you start using the farky favourite text line to tag people with various positions.  I've only recently started the tagging practice but its already shown a few handles that have bizzarely conflicted stances on issues.  (do not try this in the politics tab, I imagine you'd go insane even glancing into that abyss)
 
2013-06-15 07:14:22 PM  

anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...


Yea, I don't think fark threads are popular enough to be worth their while anyway. I just wanted to give a link to explain why the word gets tossed around so much.
 
2013-06-15 07:14:58 PM  

quiotu: You know I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet, but you think maybe people are interested in the PS4 more because, I dunno... it's the only console they can get? The Xbox One is initially only workable in 21 countries... half of Europe and all of Asia are NOT covered.


No, it's because those countries hate microsoft and want the xbox one to fail just because.

At least that what's the xboners are suggesting. Any complaint against the xo is just people 'hating'. Things like rational thought have no place in their artificially constructed world.
 
2013-06-15 07:15:10 PM  

omeganuepsilon: quiotu: Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'?

This.

Much like any other fundy/zealot/extreme liberal/trolly alt/shill, he's not trying so much to argue against what people are actually saying(typically legitimate) but attempting to straw man an argument that he can knock down, thinking it will be an easy win.

Wanting microsoft to fail =\= predictions about failure =\= hesitant combination of the two

Xbox was the first console I ever really liked(though I owned others, primarily it was the controller).
I really liked the 360 at first.  Until NXE dashboard, the Xii avatars, and streaming commercials to me on my dime.  I knew then I'd not re-up, it was an indication of the future.  Sure enough "Windows 8" is more like NXE 2, and xbox 1 is an anti-consumer piece invasive and tyrannical hardware providing nothing new.  It's a glorified set-top box that will brick if, not if, when internet has outages(even if they're not on my end), if I travel, if a storm comes, if they decide to ban me for saying a "dirty" word while online, etc.

What I'd like to see?  Anon DDOS MS servers just after christmas, pull it off for 24 hours plus.

Another thing I find humorous, is that you know a ton of these are going to be bought by unaware consumers and there are going to be floods of returns.  You think retailers are going to put up with that?  fark no.  MS will continue to take heat for selling something that so easily bricks(even if it's temporary), only they won't be able to tell wal-mart/bestbuy/costco to go shove it like they are consumers at the moment.  Bad things are going to happen if they don't back down on call-backs before release.


That would be funny to see a sh*tload of XB1's go dark around the holiday.
 
2013-06-15 07:20:13 PM  
What cracks me up are people who describe themselves as "serious gamers".
 
2013-06-15 07:21:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.


$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?


Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.
 
2013-06-15 07:24:26 PM  

JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.

$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.


The author of the second link was being pretty sarcastic.

I think what people are getting to is that the new Kinect system has great potential to be abused. Many see it as an unnecessary intrusion and I don't blame them for not wanting something like that in their home.

/my .02
 
2013-06-15 07:28:31 PM  
"Console gamer wants to play like he's running a pc with no disks."

so buy a goddamned pc. Consoles require disks, hurr durr, why do I have to use them the way they are intended, derp herp.
 
2013-06-15 07:28:57 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: As proof, here's The Last of Us available as a download on Sony's website:

http://us.playstation.com/games/the-last-of-us-ps3.html


OK, I skipped out on buying a PS3 and I didn't watch the entire PS4 keynote because it was too glitchy to watch live.  Still, if you bought a PS4 game disc, you would need to insert the disc to play, right?  And if you buy a downloaded copy, you would not be able to play it on someone else's PS4, right?
 
2013-06-15 07:29:29 PM  

JohnnyC: 698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.


How much was projected? Those numbers have no context. So, yeah, it could be a failure.
 
2013-06-15 07:30:10 PM  

JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.

$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.


Xbox is being outsold by PS4 3:2. If PS4 ends up with an install base of 50 million to Xbox One 33 million they lost the generation.
 
2013-06-15 07:30:56 PM  

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: As proof, here's The Last of Us available as a download on Sony's website:

http://us.playstation.com/games/the-last-of-us-ps3.html

OK, I skipped out on buying a PS3 and I didn't watch the entire PS4 keynote because it was too glitchy to watch live.  Still, if you bought a PS4 game disc, you would need to insert the disc to play, right?  And if you buy a downloaded copy, you would not be able to play it on someone else's PS4, right?


Depends on how they have it set up, you could probably sign into your profile on someone else's PS4. But if you're planning on playing the game elsewhere, the portability of a disc just makes more sense. You don't even get to have that option with the Xbone.
 
2013-06-15 07:31:58 PM  

pxlboy: I think what people are getting to is that the new Kinect system has great potential to be abused. Many see it as an unnecessary intrusion and I don't blame them for not wanting something like that in their home.


I get that. I just think they're largely making mountains out of molehills. They're imagining the worst possible scenario and treating it like it is the intended purpose. Like they said, you can turn it off if you want, but you may not be able to play some games that require it unless you turn it back on. Some people don't want to hear 'sense' though... they just want to freak the fark out over something less intrusive to their privacy than their cellphone.
 
2013-06-15 07:32:40 PM  

JohnnyC: BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet? Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.


Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.  I'm also not talking about passively slurping down 24/7 from every xbone all the time, I'm talking about specific requests and MS's admitted compliance (but you've got nothing to hide so why worry right?), or the proven concept that no platform is impervious to exploitation by black hats, its just a matter of the payoff for doing so.  If they came out and said there was a hardware method of disabling the mic & cam then I'd have some faith, but software is just software and it can be updated at any time.
 
2013-06-15 07:34:11 PM  

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: As proof, here's The Last of Us available as a download on Sony's website:

http://us.playstation.com/games/the-last-of-us-ps3.html

OK, I skipped out on buying a PS3 and I didn't watch the entire PS4 keynote because it was too glitchy to watch live.  Still, if you bought a PS4 game disc, you would need to insert the disc to play, right?  And if you buy a downloaded copy, you would not be able to play it on someone else's PS4, right?


Pretty sure you need the disc to play the game. Some could be installed completely on your HD, but would probably require a pass to play, otherwise you could install the game on unlimited systems.
And yeah, downloading the game links it to your account. You could play it on another system, but you'd have to log onto your account and download it on the other system again. Then you'd have to be logged onto your account to play it.
 
2013-06-15 07:35:27 PM  

JohnnyC: pxlboy: I think what people are getting to is that the new Kinect system has great potential to be abused. Many see it as an unnecessary intrusion and I don't blame them for not wanting something like that in their home.

I get that. I just think they're largely making mountains out of molehills. They're imagining the worst possible scenario and treating it like it is the intended purpose. Like they said, you can turn it off if you want, but you may not be able to play some games that require it unless you turn it back on. Some people don't want to hear 'sense' though... they just want to freak the fark out over something less intrusive to their privacy than their cellphone.


You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.
 
2013-06-15 07:40:39 PM  

igorknowsall: Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.


Where can I learn to be a smug, self righteous douchebag like you? Teach me, oh dickish one...
 
2013-06-15 07:41:16 PM  

JohnnyC: pxlboy: I think what people are getting to is that the new Kinect system has great potential to be abused. Many see it as an unnecessary intrusion and I don't blame them for not wanting something like that in their home.

I get that. I just think they're largely making mountains out of molehills. They're imagining the worst possible scenario and treating it like it is the intended purpose. Like they said, you can turn it off if you want, but you may not be able to play some games that require it unless you turn it back on. Some people don't want to hear 'sense' though... they just want to freak the fark out over something less intrusive to their privacy than their cellphone.


I don't really have a dog in this fight as I'm a PC gamer, but I think the lady and I will hold on to the 360 for a while and see if the Steam box materializes.
 
2013-06-15 07:43:00 PM  
 
2013-06-15 07:44:11 PM  
PS4 is 33% to 50% more powerful than the Xbox One.

End of story.
 
2013-06-15 07:44:58 PM  

taxandspend: That's a pretty big farking number. I wonder how much they're losing on each system that was preordered?


From what I've heard, Sony is the one eating some of the cost on each system sold. Microsoft is pretty much breaking even on the sale of the console (according to what I've seen). They could be eating some cost, but not from what I've seen.

cameroncrazy1984: How much was projected? Those numbers have no context. So, yeah, it could be a failure.


It was 1.4 million units preordered in the first 24 hours. There is no telling how many Microsoft projected they would sell in the first 24 hours, but that does not smell of failure to me.

Carth: Xbox is being outsold by PS4 3:2.


On those two days, apparently. I haven't seen data on number of sales beyond the first 24 hours from either system. I couldn't actually find a number of sales in the first 24 hours on the PS4, just the X1. I just found articles that say that more PS4's had been preordered but no hard numbers on that. They both seem to be doing very well so far.
 
2013-06-15 07:46:18 PM  

pxlboy: anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...

That sounds like it could make for a funny short film...or I'm just sleep-deprived.


Kind of like "Iron Sky", but with gaming nerds?   It would probably be a terrible movie, but it could make a hilarious fake movie trailer.

Speaking of which...
 
2013-06-15 07:53:47 PM  

JohnnyC: I couldn't actually find a number of sales in the first 24 hours on the PS4, just the X1. I just found articles that say that more PS4's had been preordered but no hard numbers on that. They both seem to be doing very well so far.


Probably because Sony doesn't have a need to reassure publishers that people are buying their system, at this point.
 
2013-06-15 07:53:50 PM  

ringersol: Discs are done in the long run.


Which is just miserable for almost everyone.

There are basically no uncapped internet connections in NZ.  A lot of people are on plans where the cap is 10 or 20GB.  I am on the highest available (I think) plan and I pay over $130 a month for 200GB.  On top of that, NZ internet relies mainly on ADSL over ancient copper phone wires, and is also bottlenecked at the one cable that connects us to the rest of the world.  So our internet isn't particularly fast, nor reliable.  In some neighbourhoods you have to wait for months and months to get a connection because there's no available switches at the exchange.

Given that, it's a kick in the nuts to tell people "you not only have to pay $120 dollars (seriously) for this game you don't actually own, you also have to use up your internet cap that you already pay another company for to download this massive file.  Hope your connection doesn't die, or you don't go over your cap and get throttled to dialup speeds."

fark you, basically?
 
2013-06-15 07:54:09 PM  

JohnnyC: Cyno01: MS would get so much less flak... if theyd just put a simple hardware shutter on the new kinect. Simple little piece of sliding plastic. I think its an amazing piece of technology, but i give it 3 years tops before it starts getting used by law enforcement in some cases.

Paranoid prediction is paranoid. Luckily, nobody, including you, will remember your prediction in three years. Microsoft was going to get flak from Microsoft haters no matter what they did.


Im not saying microsoft is going to be doing it for some reason, im just saying, is it really out of the realm of possibility, that with people voluntarily putting always on webcams in their living rooms, that law enforcement would use them for surveillance with a warrant? If youre under investigation cops can tap your phone with little hassle, they can even plant bugs in some cases, why not tap your xbox also? Its not something the average person needs to worry about, im sure theyd still need a warrant (id hope microsoft would require one), but gaming companies have worked with law enforcement in the past, heck, some guy here in WI just got his XBlive records from MS and used them as proof of residency to get his green card.

Maybe i am being paranoid, but it really doesnt seem far fetched. OTOH i did just get through my third rewatch of The Wire a few weeks ago...
 
2013-06-15 07:55:18 PM  

Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.


See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.


Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.
 
2013-06-15 07:55:25 PM  

tiiger: Another problem I have is with Kinect.

1. Using hand gestures to control a TV is stupid, as is voice command.  A remote is faster and more intuitive.
2. Always on, Always Watching, Always talking to the NSA courtesy of Prism.  (Put a book in front of it)
3. The Kinect needs a lot of real estate to work.  Like a huge open room.  I don't have that kind of space. Most gamers don't have that kind of space.
4. Kinect games historically suck.  Other then Dancing Han Solo, I have yet to see Kinect have a breakout game. It's a gadget.  It really gives nothing to most games.


Everything this guy said.
 
2013-06-15 07:57:48 PM  

Andyr2120: Nerd rage is a terrible thing.  Me, I'm getting both, but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.


Yeah I agree, the Xbox One sure is innovative and very bold! How much imagination should one have in order to make a perfectly good console that everybody loves into something that provides so much irritation to gamers?

It's like selling cars. Your old model was good and runs perfectly fine, then you expect people to buy the next model by implementing ridiculous requirements like "This car won't run if you don't let it authenticate on the internet at least once per day!" or "If other people want to drive your car, they should have been on your friends list for 30 days or more, and they can only drive your car once!" or even "This car cannot be driven out of state or out of the country!". These requirements and "features" are ridiculously anti-consumer. Of course the customers will buy the competitor's car which runs just the same, minus all the hassles of your car's model.

You know your product is horrible if your competitor's winning marketing campaign highlights your features and announces "We don't have these crap!".
 
2013-06-15 07:57:58 PM  

Gleeman: Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)

[imgs.xkcd.com image 389x337]

Not to mention that most games for PS3 only run in 720P.

/WTF, The Last of Us?



I remember when Skyrim came out, some people were pissed they needed an hdtv to play it.
 
2013-06-15 07:58:37 PM  
Even ignoring the always online, always on Kinect, and no used game problems (which shouldn't be ignored, but lets do it anyway), there is absolutely no reason to get an Xbox1.  It has worse hardware than the PS4, and uses even less of that already inferior hardware towards processing games since the damn thing runs 3 operating systems simultaneously, plus its more expensive to boot.  Being able to say "Xbox change the channel" instead of just using a remote isn't worth $50, let alone $500, yet that's essentially the one and only benefit you get from an Xbox1.  That and if you realllllly like Halo for some unfathomable reason.   Plus, Microsoft's approach to indie developers is way more restrictive than Sony's, you can't play imports while the PS4 is region free.... the list just goes on and on.

I have no idea how anyone at Microsoft thought "lets throw in the worst things people hate about consoles, make up brand new ideas that are equally loathsome, and package them together with technology that is worse than the competition's yet more expensive.  People will want to buy it because.... Kinect."

No.  No one cares about Kinect Microsoft.  Its is the Bing of the console world.
 
2013-06-15 08:01:52 PM  

Carth: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".

So, 81% of gamers, basically.

$698,600,000... do you know what that is? That is the total dollar amount from pre-order sales of the X1 in the first 24 hours of availability. Just the first 24 hours. So almost just shy of 3/4 of a billion dollars in 24 hours is a failure?

Apparently, 81% of polled gamers can be wrong.

BumpInTheNight: you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?

Yeah... really. How interesting do you think watching people sit on a couch and twiddle their thumbs would be? Not to mention that they would have to be sitting there playing the X1 at the time someone was trying to 'hack it'. Yes, there is a feature (which can be turned off) that keeps the mic open and listening for someone to give it the command to turn on and that's it. Perhaps you ought to read this or this before you comment on that kind of thing in the future. The whole arguing from a position of ignorance thing doesn't seem to be working out very well.

Xbox is being outsold by PS4 3:2. If PS4 ends up with an install base of 50 million to Xbox One 33 million they lost the generation.


Why does that mean they lost the generation? Very little money is made off the sale of the consoles themselves.

If MS can leverage the online sales of its users, so that XB1 users buy, on average, twice as much online content as the PS4 users, then they are winning by the only metric that matters - total net profit. And this looks like the direction MS is trying to go with the XB1.
 
2013-06-15 08:03:34 PM  
RIP Phil Spencer.
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2013-06-15 08:05:08 PM  
I'll get one of them eventually. I remember a few hardware failures out of the gate for Microsoft during the last go around. They also changed the original controller to a smaller version. Waiting a year or so seems like a good idea.  The reviews will also be in. I'll probably end up with the one that I can use to play games with the nano devos.
 
2013-06-15 08:06:25 PM  

JohnnyC: Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.

See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.


S-so you can turn off the Kinect? B-but the Internet told me I couldn't, and people on the Internet are never wrong!
 
2013-06-15 08:07:57 PM  

JohnnyC: BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.


*sigh*  I'm not the one that tried to suggest a computer with a camera and a microphone that's mandatory for its operations can't get exploited.  All I'm saying is its not impossible, specifically because they left the controls for that in software land rather then hardware.  Me personally?  Nah I'm nobody, I'm not worried about some spooky plot would roll out to catch me picking my nose as I watch netflix but I'm not naive enough to rule out that if someone was determined to silently enable a mic or a cam on an xbone that an exploit could be written to do it.  That's the key difference:  I just don't think its impossible, but you seem to, that's all.

Either way the xbone is a woefully underpowered little box and I've no interest in them in the first place, other then chowing popcorn in threads like these and watch as microsoft's arrogance and avarice triggers an implosion on yet another business line.  They don't have many left at this point.
 
2013-06-15 08:08:01 PM  

Valacirca: Even ignoring the always online, always on Kinect, and no used game problems (which shouldn't be ignored, but lets do it anyway), there is absolutely no reason to get an Xbox1.  It has worse hardware than the PS4, and uses even less of that already inferior hardware towards processing games since the damn thing runs 3 operating systems simultaneously, plus its more expensive to boot.  Being able to say "Xbox change the channel" instead of just using a remote isn't worth $50, let alone $500, yet that's essentially the one and only benefit you get from an Xbox1.  That and if you realllllly like Halo for some unfathomable reason.   Plus, Microsoft's approach to indie developers is way more restrictive than Sony's, you can't play imports while the PS4 is region free.... the list just goes on and on.

I have no idea how anyone at Microsoft thought "lets throw in the worst things people hate about consoles, make up brand new ideas that are equally loathsome, and package them together with technology that is worse than the competition's yet more expensive.  People will want to buy it because.... Kinect."

No.  No one cares about Kinect Microsoft.  Its is the Bing of the console world.


This guy makes some good points.
 
2013-06-15 08:09:16 PM  

anfrind: pxlboy: anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...

That sounds like it could make for a funny short film...or I'm just sleep-deprived.

Kind of like "Iron Sky", but with gaming nerds?   It would probably be a terrible movie, but it could make a hilarious fake movie trailer.

Speaking of which...


That would work. A fake trailer.
 
2013-06-15 08:11:09 PM  

Elegy: S-so you can turn off the Kinect? B-but the Internet told me I couldn't, and people on the Internet are never wrong!


Haha! I know, right?
 
2013-06-15 08:11:29 PM  

kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.


You won't even need the disc, though I suspect having the disc will mean a faster install rather than downloading the game locally.

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture. This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud. Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.

They aren't really the same thing "More servers" isn't an innovation, neither is cloud computing.


What other console has offered up a packaged cloud computing option to developers?  Until now, if developers wanted to add any cloud computing to their games they would need to manage their own solution whereas MS is giving the devs a cloud solution that's ready to use.

This honestly is the thing I'm most excited about.  I hope devs actually use this feature rather than coding to the lowest common denominator and just porting between consoles.  Imagine a FPS where the lightmap can be recalculated so that the shadowy corner you used as a sniper nest last round is now in full sunlight, or a background scene where hundreds of people are wandering around a New York analog rather than the sparse sidewalks we see now, or a racing game where you can see where other people regularly crash by seeing their skidmarks and a damaged barrier.  I think this will be the most exciting thing to come from the Xbone as long as the developers actually utilize it.

Kahabut: Steam has only one built in DRM, it checks, when you first run a game, if the license is legit. Literally everything else is publishers adding DRM layers. Steam allows infinite offline play, requires an internet connection ONLY ONCE, and frankly, it just works really really well. Also, steam sales.


Steam also does not allow selling or trading of games.  Everything is saying that once you install a game from disc on the Xbone you will no longer need the disc.  They're just a faster way of getting the data onto the device, similar to PC games that are sold in store but use Steam as their DRM solution.  The discs are just a way to get data to people who don't want to download a large amount of data (I've heard that every Xbone game will also be available day 1 from XBL, but can't find a citation).  If someone can buy a game, install it, and never need the disc again, what's to stop people from buying a game at release, running home and installing it, then immediately trading it in when its value is highest, or even claiming it's defective for a return and playing the game indefinitely?  The check is to verify that you're still allowed to play the games you have installed and that you haven't traded them in or otherwise gotten rid of them.

If you stop thinking of the Xbone as disc-based DRM with online checks and start thinking of it as a digital distribution based DRM that allows for selling and trading, the check starts to make sense.

Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill


Reddit decided to investigate those claims, and found them lacking.  The mods could find no proof of anything the original submitter posted and thoroughly debunked claims that one of the repliers worked for Waggener Edstrom, the firm supposedly engaging in the reputation management.  The mod's conclusion was the OP was trolling the gaming community.

Considering I haven't posted anything denigrating the XBone or praising the PS4, I'm sure that I will be accused of working for one of these non-existent PR firms any second now though...
 
2013-06-15 08:13:58 PM  

JohnnyC: Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.

See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.


Do really think mocking people is going to help your cause? You're not going to convince anyone to buy an Xboxone this way.
 
2013-06-15 08:16:38 PM  

BumpInTheNight: That's the key difference:  I just don't think its impossible, but you seem to, that's all.


It isn't impossible, nor did I claim it was impossible, just not likely and certainly not the intended purpose. Strawman? Hmmm

BumpInTheNight: other then chowing popcorn in threads like these and watch as microsoft's arrogance and avarice triggers an implosion on yet another business line


Ahh... and here we finally get to the meat through all that fat. You're a Microsoft hater. So you're just confirming your biases and trolling for the lulz. Well... hope you enjoyed yourself.
 
2013-06-15 08:17:40 PM  

if_i_really_have_to: ringersol: Discs are done in the long run.

Which is just miserable for almost everyone.

There are basically no uncapped internet connections in NZ.  A lot of people are on plans where the cap is 10 or 20GB.  I am on the highest available (I think) plan and I pay over $130 a month for 200GB.  On top of that, NZ internet relies mainly on ADSL over ancient copper phone wires, and is also bottlenecked at the one cable that connects us to the rest of the world.  So our internet isn't particularly fast, nor reliable.  In some neighbourhoods you have to wait for months and months to get a connection because there's no available switches at the exchange.

Given that, it's a kick in the nuts to tell people "you not only have to pay $120 dollars (seriously) for this game you don't actually own, you also have to use up your internet cap that you already pay another company for to download this massive file.  Hope your connection doesn't die, or you don't go over your cap and get throttled to dialup speeds."

fark you, basically?


More like "Why on earth would I live there?"

On a somewhat related note, several years ago (2004?) a friend who's a talented engineer and a huge "Lord of The Rings" fan went on a trip to New Zealand, and when he came back he remarked that the telecom infrastructure there was years behind the U.S. (mostly still dial-up), which I think he saw as a potential business opportunity for someone with the technical skill and the start-up capital to launch a disruptive service in New Zealand.

Sounds like things haven't improved that much, however.

/nobody I know has access to that kind of start-up capital
 
2013-06-15 08:19:14 PM  

Cheater71: JohnnyC: Carth: You can turn Kinect if off but your xbox won't function until you turn it back on. It is integrated at the OS level and needs to be connected to play any games or watch tv through xbox. That is what the last report i saw said if oyu have a link saying otherwise I"d love to see it.

See here. It's from Microsoft. Of course if you're like the next guy I'm replying to, it won't make a difference at all if you read that link because he thinks Microsoft is lying about what their system is doing...

BumpInTheNight: Right, because a microsoft press release is the most honest and trustable source of information about the underpinnings of their little box and what it will and won't do if MS was tasked or the box itself was exploited.

Okay... I think I understand. You're convinced that Microsoft is out to get you and this is just part of their nefarious plot. You're probably right... unplug everything, they are watching you.

Do really think mocking people is going to help your cause? You're not going to convince anyone to buy an Xboxone this way.


You keep saying that. Why do you think "our cause" is to convince you to buy an XB1? I could care less if you buy one or not.

I do like to call out odiously retards repeating obviously false talking points, however, so here I am...
 
2013-06-15 08:19:38 PM  
And just as an added note about both the Eye Toy and the Kinect. I said this when the first Eye Toy came out for the PS2, and when the Wii came out. Motion gaming is fun...AT FIRST.The problem is after a while it becomes gimmicky and one dimensional. Motion gaming will most likely never reach the abilities of controller gaming. Not saying that motion gaming will have GRAPHIC limitations, but it will always have limitations on what kind of games and what kind of things you can do with it. Certain games will never work well with motion gaming, until we go full holo-shed on things and even that is a stretch.

Now I'm not just running down motion gaming out of hatred, hell I loved Mad World and some of the Wii Sports games, but the fact of the matter is there are certain games that will always be limited and seem gimmicky when done with motion gaming. There are games that can work with the concept, but there are games that would be killed by the concept as well, and trying to shoehorn motion gaming into the middle of controller gaming will only serve to annoy and push away the consumer.
 
2013-06-15 08:20:25 PM  

Cheater71: Do really think mocking people is going to help your cause? You're not going to convince anyone to buy an Xboxone this way.


I don't have a 'cause'... I was pointing out reality vs. fiction... but it turns out the guy I was talking to is just a Microsoft hater who was trolling the thread for the lulz. I bit, he got his fix... what's done is done.
 
2013-06-15 08:23:02 PM  

Professor Farksworth: Now I'm not just running down motion gaming out of hatred


I thought the head tracking in Forza 4 was FANTASTIC. I hope that kind of thing is the norm in future XBox based racing games. Hell... I wish I could use my Kinect for head tracking on my PC too (it does hook to th