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(IGN)   A recent poll of over 280,000 gamers shows that 81% of respondents favored the PS4 over the Xbone. Micro$oft VP Phil Spencer countered with, "This isn't a sprint" while strains of Vader's Theme played in the background   (ign.com) divider line 330
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2013-06-15 11:14:21 PM
Seeing all the MS backlash it makes me wonder how many of those preorders are even legit.  What I mean by that is this; as we're all aware every console launch you have scalpers who will pre-order sit in line, etc to get their hands on said new consoles.  Not to mention they always release right when little Timmy ask Santa for it.

So just as every year you'll see a ton on ebay, with some picture of a woman in a bikini holding it, with a ebay user name in her hands.  Hoping to double their money or make a profit off of someone who wasn't lucky enough to pre-order or get one for little Timmy.

Another thing to consider is this... I work with some guys who have a 360 in their house, that is for the kids.  They don't let their kids access the internet or get online.  I just wonder how many uneducated parents buys it for their kids and finds out that without a network connection it doesn't work will take it back.  I am sure word will spread but lets face it a lot of consumers make purchases without doing any research and then return it when they find out it doesn't do this, or needs this, etc...

Something tells me a lot of scalpers who got Xbone will be lucky to break even... and I think after Christmas stores will get a lot of returns.  Especially when Timmy finds out that having a Xbone is so uncool, and if you're a cool kid you have a PS4, etc...

I could be wrong but if MS don't change their policies on always online, Kinect, etc... within the first year I think the Xbone will go down faster than the Titanic.

I pre-ordered PS4 and no I have no intentions of selling it... gaming is my stress relief... that along with Fark boards.
 
2013-06-15 11:37:07 PM

BMFPitt: I've very happy with my 360, and wouldn't even consider the idea of getting a PS3.

Right now I see no way the the XBox One is going to present a better value than the PS4.

Microsoft has been doing so well lately.  I don't get the reason for suddenly going out of their way to alienate their customers.


I know! They've been doing so well lately! Like just in the last year they've released a phone and a new OS that everyone is really enthusiastic about! And woo, let's talk about their browser! The newest Internet Explorer, OBVIOUSLY winning the browser war! And Bing, so awesome. Man, they come up aces in every department, they're doing so well lately!

REALITY: Microsoft's out of touch with their customers.
 
2013-06-15 11:40:53 PM

anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...


Actually that's exactly the kind of thing a reputation management firm will do: create an account, then save the account info in some file somewhere in case they need to make use of it later.  As someone pointed out, quite a few of the more buzzword-ey accounts are ones which were registered years ago, but have very little historical activity until recent weeks.

Carth: anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...

Yea, I don't think fark threads are popular enough to be worth their while anyway. I just wanted to give a link to explain why the word gets tossed around so much.


You say that, but its an open, dirty secret that Fark is used as a sort of news crib sheet for any morning radio show, local light entertainment program, or other such thing out there.  Fark is literally a million-dollar business.  We're not as obscure as you might think, and we're definitely not obscure enough for a management reputation firm to ignore us.
 
2013-06-15 11:43:52 PM

starsrift: I know! They've been doing so well lately! Like just in the last year they've released a phone and a new OS that everyone is really enthusiastic about! And woo, let's talk about their browser! The newest Internet Explorer, OBVIOUSLY winning the browser war! And Bing, so awesome. Man, they come up aces in every department, they're doing so well lately!

REALITY: Microsoft's out of touch with their customers.


To be fair, Bing Image Search is now superior for finding porn, ever since Google made SafeSearch mandatory.
 
2013-06-15 11:44:10 PM

BumpInTheNight: Alonjar: I tell you what, the coolest thing I've done since going to triple screens was to purchase a TrackIR infrared head tracker. Only certain games support it, but its basically head tracking hardware so if you turn your head right, your view in the game world pans right, etc. With a single screen its neat... with three, its almost virtual reality territory since you actually turn and look at the right or left screens, not just "faking" it. I use it with iRacing and its flipping awesome.

Someday I'll build a motion cockpit

I've heard really good things about the Oculus Rift as well.. but ill believe it when I see it.

I've seen a few implementations of the TrackIR and that thing has huge potential.  What would make me head-first dive into that realm would be some attack platform game that sits somewhere between Comache 2 and DCS:  Blackshark in terms of approachability and arcade-ness.  I'm also wondering about the rift as well, the 1080p just doesn't sound like it'd be pleasant to have that close to your eyes, at ~2' away from my eyes right now a 1080p is okay with good enough dot-pitch, a few inches though and that may as well feel like playing on an xbox360.


I've got a dev kit and the experience is just as awesome as we're all hoping.  I've been spending time playing Minecraft in the thing and it really does feel like you're standing inside the little pixelated world.  Normally I game on a 120" projector so I'm used to things being "life-size," but on the Rift things were "real-life" if that makes sense.  You feel like things exist, that you can reach out and touch them and in fact when I demo my unit to other people, they often unconsciously reach their hands out to touch something before realizing their mistake.  Mountains tower above you and looking down a giant chasm gives you that lurching feeling.

That said the device isn't perfect obviously, it's a proof-of-concept model really and not ready for consumers, but from my experience on this model I'm confident we'll have an awesome final product. I'm not an industry guy, just a consumer/enthusiast who's always wanted a holodeck.  I'll try to hang out in Rift threads down the road to go into more detail, what's good and what's bad (cause there are negatives/drawbacks to the thing).
 
2013-06-15 11:48:52 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-15 11:53:42 PM

Elegy: The business model they are following is one steam pioneered, and the further integration of things like PPV and premium TV on the Xbox can only increase their revenue.


That's the very reason I liked my 360 though. Because it wasn't "like" Steam.

I have Steam on my PC so why do I need something like it for my Xbox, too. I understand that MS believes it's the future of gaming but if every console/gameplay option is the same then the consumers lose in the end. Just like all the FPS games that come out. There's not enough difference to be noticeable anymore. At least not to the average player. That's not good for consumers. Choices are good so having every system do the same thing makes buying more than one redundant. It also shows a complete lack of innovation on MS's part. When you add in all the other crap X1 will require(internet check in), or will not do(won't play in certain areas without internet and you can't loan/borrow games), the choice of buying the PS4 is easy.

Plus, if you think back to the SimCity server debacle it's easy to see that when people buy a game for X1 it may or may not work due to server issues. SimCity took days for everybody to get to play it. The internet is full of stories about that fark up. Until they can guarantee that when people spend their money on a game they can actually play the damn thing, most people will stick with a disk system if given the option.
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2013-06-16 12:09:03 AM

CrowdSceneExtra: I think this will be the most exciting thing to come from the Xbone as long as the developers actually utilize it.


Seems gimmicky to me, and bandwidth hungry.

Don't get me wrong, I love the potential, but MS has a reputation for being flaky and letting possibly cool tech just fall flat.(IE detach your HDD and get games at a kiosk.....)

What if in a year, they shut down the "cloud" servers.(side note, I wish people would stop calling it a cloud.  A cloud is something that cannot be shut down, only crippled by outages. This is remote computing and that's it, until they get thousands of servers nationwide)

Bandwidth is still a concern for a lot of people.  How much they have available, and data caps.

The whole thing feels like we're paying through the nose to be beta testers, and if they decide to stop, we're out money and have to deal with a brick.

Sure, it's got great potential.  But I don't hold high hopes for it at all.

As far as DRM goes.

I think it's the wrong approach.  I went into detail in another thread, but I think the best solution is a throwback to cartridges(modern technology has come far enough, imo).  Make a USB/firewire or some similar dongle.  The things can be cheap as dirt and even protected(nothing perfect, but if you make it os/hardware centric the things wouldn't even work on a PC for a long time.
You eliminate the need for a dvd drive spinning every second the unit is turned on.(optical drives should be on the way out like the floppy and zip drives, failure rates and damage to media is just entirely too high, as well as being hackable firmware).

Have like 4 ports on the thing for commonly played games to reduce swapping, and you're set.

Add in functionality to do used games at a discount via trading digital copies and they'd even get a piece of that pie.
(a read / write utility of the xbox to blank the USB when you "sell" it back)  Make it good enough(and honest), and Gamestop would start having financial issues.

This is where they should have gone instead of the detachable hard drive on the 360 and the internet requirement for HDD installation for the xbone.(it's a word now, that's how language and nicknames work)so anyone who has a problem with it can just bite me. doesn't mean anything, it's like soda/pop/coke).

Now, obviously, i'm just talking concepts here, not actual hardware software code specific, just a general painting of a scene, but it is do-able and would be great for all involved.  No one actually likes CD's, it's just that they're cheap as dirt.  But so were floppy's and tape drives at the end.

That's where the real revolution would be.  People would eat it up too. They still get their physical copies, and they play offline.(could even leave room for patches on the usb, eliminate the need to redownload if you are on a new/different box).  We get a cool new tech that's flexible and portable and durable.  They get some hefty DRM(nothing better than having unique hardware) and the potential to absorb a lot of Gamestops revenue.

/shrugs
 
2013-06-16 12:26:52 AM
good riddance, you unethical shiat company. Your employees may be good, but the goal of the company is 100% koch brothers anyway. Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for MS (who knows).
 
2013-06-16 01:20:07 AM

SuperNinjaToad: I hate to bust your bubble but they DID FAIL!!! in other words let me put it to you this way. If Microsoft ONLY makes money from gaming and their consoles the company would've gone bye bye, chapter 7 long long time ago.Strictly from a business standpoint XBOX series has always been a failure HOWEVER they have to keep pumping $$ into it to keep it afloat because the gaming world is too lucrative and important to pass up and they have to be a major player (no pun intended) in there no matter what.


Microsoft took a huge loss on the original Xbox, but chalked it up the the cost of entering an entirely new market to them, but im pretty sure that division has been profitable since the 360.
 
2013-06-16 03:15:18 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-16 03:36:41 AM
Boy was i wrong. Where the hell does microsoft make its money from nowadays?
 
2013-06-16 03:41:17 AM

I want your skull: [i.imgur.com image 471x281]


www.imagehustler.com

The Atari is so awesome this scale has to be logarithmic
 
2013-06-16 05:45:14 AM
http://privateblognetwork.info/reputation-management/ privateblognetwork.info

what a private info management specialist might look like
 
2013-06-16 07:40:48 AM

Kahabut: [i.imgur.com image 644x780]


Its absurd how much more profitable Nintendo is.  Guess they actually know what they're doing.
 
2013-06-16 08:00:43 AM

starsrift: REALITY: Microsoft's out of touch with their customers.


Lots of people want this to be true.  Reality is that P4 players will hammer the share button like a heroin addicted lab monkey while waiting for their COD DLC to stream in. Consoles don't just do offline anymore since they've been edging closer to PC's in function.  If players weren't so lazy or cheap then they'd just hop on a PC and end this technological travesty.

With a forced online connection and a console that probably mines data like a biatch, I suspect microsoft will soon know alot more about their customers than anyone realizes. That is:Constantly online customerswith easy access to the app store (most with pre-registered pay methods) and a direct link to developers, advertisers, and other players.
They're gambling that the publishers can't resist the temptation of releasing into that kind of walled garden, if only to give their marketing a post-release summary of data worth killing for.

/And the worst part: They haven't done anything that can't be undone in a patch.
/If the plan fails they can revamp the policy and compete on equal footing.
/People are basing their nerd rage on the idea that an E3 speech will carry for the next eight years.
 
2013-06-16 08:17:02 AM

Cyno01: Boy was i wrong. Where the hell does microsoft make its money from nowadays?


Office and OEM licensing.
 
2013-06-16 08:35:58 AM
I made my initial choice for this generation based on E3 comments, particularly when a Sony VP was quoted as saying something along the lines of, We can charge whatever we want and they will buy it.

That drove me away from a PS3, and I was in no rush to upgrade anyway so I waited until XBox finally stabilized the hardware issues a few years ago.  I'll certainly be doing the same thing and keeping my eye on Sony in the meantime.

Regardless, no way am I getting a launch machine.
 
2013-06-16 10:37:37 AM

xaks: Cyno01: Boy was i wrong. Where the hell does microsoft make its money from nowadays?

Office and OEM licensing.


...and server, and Azure cloud, and Exchange, and SQL, and System Center, and CRM, and developer tools, etc.

When a consumer looks at Microsoft they think the just do "Windows", "Office" and "Xbox".  Of those 3, office is the bigger money maker.  That being said, there is a whole host of enterprise software MS makes a shiat-ton of money from.
 
2013-06-16 10:54:44 AM

way south: /People are basing their nerd rage on the idea that an E3 speech will carry for the next eight years.


No, they're basing it on MS reputation(office, Win 8 IE their reputation to not listen to what people want and insist that what they imagine people want is correct) and continual statements about how users just have to deal with it or buy (another)360.

way south: /If the plan fails they can revamp the policy and compete on equal footing.


late to the game is not equal footing, with no indication of change, and literal denial of it, odds are against it
Nothing wrong with taking them at their word here.  If it weren't for that specific argument of yours, I'd simply label you a shill, but you're not that bright, so it must be reverent fanboi.
 
2013-06-16 11:01:26 AM

Lusiphur: Alonjar: Andyr2120: People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.

aaaand I stopped reading here.  I know lots of people with xbox/kinect, including myself.  I dont know a single person who actually keeps the thing plugged in.  Its just too creepy, and honestly farking pointless.  Flailing your arms around to give the TV commands is NOT more intuitive than pushing a button, sorry.

Also, anybody who has ever actually tried to game with kinect has realized that its clunky and has shiat for games.  They've had quite awhile to release some good kinect titles... they all blow.  Dancing and kids petting animals are the only two things anyone actually uses a kinect for.

I refuse to have an always on spy device watching me all the time.  I physically disable the camera on my laptop and other devices as well.

/Im an xbox loyalist too... but fark you microsoft.  fark you.

And don't get me started on thumb joysticks! D-pads have always worked perfectly fine. And besides, thumb joysticks are way too sensitive and will work horribly compared to the d-pad. D-pads are just so much more intuitive and better. And why put games on CDs? CDs scratch and wear out and aren't nearly as reliable as cartridges. If cartridges were good enough for the NES, they're good enough for the Xbox. And why are there so many buttons? 2 is more than enough. Any more is counterintuitive and will just confuse people.

That's what kinnect whiners sound like. Its 20-farking-13. Stop clinging to the past and preventing innovation, you luddite farksticks.


I used to rock the D-pad, but when I'm not using my arcade stick, I much prefer the thumbstick to the D-pad when playing street fighter. Given the precision of input that is required for that game it is a really good test-bed IMO. 360 specials are especially easier with the thumb stick. With the thumbstick I can unconsciously buffer Honda's oicho, not so with the D-pad.

That being said, my arcade stick with Sanwa parts is superior to both hands down.
 
2013-06-16 11:39:21 AM

Lusiphur: That's what kinnect whiners sound like. Its 20-farking-13. Stop clinging to the past and preventing innovation, you luddite farksticks.


The kinnect is not innovation, as far as game controls go.  Analog sticks were(as well as analog buttons that were pressure sensitive, never forget the first time I leaned with Snake, and leaned further when I pressed harder)

The kinnect is a contrived contraption to get people to move more, and as that goes against what gamers tend to do, it needed new games written around it.

It's the opposite of good game control, which grows to suit the gamer's needs.

It's the box around the watermelon that makes it grow into a squarish shape.  It's not natural or intuitive, it's a forced environment with an agenda(be less of a lump on the couch)

It's less precise and less flexible, and will stay that way until we get an un-tethered display that can follow a users head and allow for free movement. That is the real bottle neck.  Well, that and actual space to play.  How far could you actually walk to play such a game as Skyrim?

We've already got props, Wii had a lot of molds the controller snapped into(gun, tennis racket, bat, etc)

It's a novelty and that is all.  Sure it can be fun, but only to the people that already enjoyed games like DDR.

You'll never be able to use it well for things like skyrim or CoD.  Your fingers will always be able to get more 3d control, and more precise control) out of a paddle than your body will get out of a stationary TV and camera.
 
2013-06-16 11:42:14 AM

omeganuepsilon: way south: /People are basing their nerd rage on the idea that an E3 speech will carry for the next eight years.

No, they're basing it on MS reputation(office, Win 8 IE their reputation to not listen to what people want and insist that what they imagine people want is correct) and continual statements about how users just have to deal with it or buy (another)360.

way south: /If the plan fails they can revamp the policy and compete on equal footing.

late to the game is not equal footing, with no indication of change, and literal denial of it, odds are against it
Nothing wrong with taking them at their word here.  If it weren't for that specific argument of yours, I'd simply label you a shill, but you're not that bright, so it must be reverent fanboi.




I'm a fanboy of a platform long departed from the concerns of the console gaming underclass.
I've heard many of the same arguments made about consoles past. Like "Too much drm" and "We won't take abuse from [insert name of mega corp here] because we deserve better!".

Here's the thing about console gamers: they'll eat slop in a bucket and like it. That's what they've always done. The consoles hold their cherished ip hostage and lead customers around by the nose. They can't tell a feature apart from a penalty.

There's a better than naught chance Microsoft will review its policy and adapt. If they did, eight years is an eternity in the hardware market and people will forget the controversy a few months after its done.
I'm still betting they won't and that the market will get over it. Even Sony has half heartedly accepted the same drm methods employed by different means. The same Sony that changed its licensing rules on psp and vita to brick modders. The same Sony that tried to root kit their customers in secret.
That is the alternative corporate monster people are pulling for, its past sins conveniently forgotten.

Conclusion: you're both going to get bitten hard and keep buying.
There are only two console upgrade paths, after all.
 
2013-06-16 11:45:36 AM

way south: omeganuepsilon: way south: /People are basing their nerd rage on the idea that an E3 speech will carry for the next eight years.

No, they're basing it on MS reputation(office, Win 8 IE their reputation to not listen to what people want and insist that what they imagine people want is correct) and continual statements about how users just have to deal with it or buy (another)360.

way south: /If the plan fails they can revamp the policy and compete on equal footing.

late to the game is not equal footing, with no indication of change, and literal denial of it, odds are against it
Nothing wrong with taking them at their word here.  If it weren't for that specific argument of yours, I'd simply label you a shill, but you're not that bright, so it must be reverent fanboi.

I'm a fanboy of a platform long departed from the concerns of the console gaming underclass.
I've heard many of the same arguments made about consoles past. Like "Too much drm" and "We won't take abuse from [insert name of mega corp here] because we deserve better!".

Here's the thing about console gamers: they'll eat slop in a bucket and like it. That's what they've always done. The consoles hold their cherished ip hostage and lead customers around by the nose. They can't tell a feature apart from a penalty.

There's a better than naught chance Microsoft will review its policy and adapt. If they did, eight years is an eternity in the hardware market and people will forget the controversy a few months after its done.
I'm still betting they won't and that the market will get over it. Even Sony has half heartedly accepted the same drm methods employed by different means. The same Sony that changed its licensing rules on psp and vita to brick modders. The same Sony that tried to root kit their customers in secret.
That is the alternative corporate monster people are pulling for, its past sins conveniently forgotten.

Conclusion: you're both going to get bitten hard and keep buying.
There are only two ...


The only way to win is not to play.
 
2013-06-16 12:18:42 PM

way south: I'm a fanboy of a platform long departed from the concerns of the console gaming underclass.
I've heard many of the same arguments made about consoles past. Like "Too much drm" and "We won't take abuse from [insert name of mega corp here] because we deserve better!".

Here's the thing about console gamers: they'll eat slop in a bucket and like it. That's what they've always done


You have a warped view of reality in general, as well as delusions of grandeur.  If you don't like consoles or console gamers, you've got no dog in the debate, so GTFO.

"Console gamers" is not a class.  It's a hobby that people drift into and out of.  Many people who decided they wouldn't take it any more, did indeed not actually buy that product(contrary to your absolute of how this class stereotype), but an influx of new users from an ever growing populace filled the gap.

It's a clashing of ideals.  Some people think that businesses should be honest and loyal to their customers, that they should actively earn loyalty from the customer.

MS has proven to not do that.  Being a business and going for only profit is fine, but don't try to make it sound as if you're into it to make customers happy.  What MS has done is indeed the societal equivalent of flipping regular customers the bird because you've got a bunch of ignorant randoms who collectively pay more.

People always say to vote with your wallet, but that doesn't work in a world where thousands of idiots always vote yes.

MS has opted for stability via mass sales to random idiots, instead of the stability of people buying every product they release because they like how MS does business and MS's quality.

That's what brand loyalty is all about, and MS just tossed it out the window.
You hear the same outrage when a car company makes a car that has safety issues(even though a vast majority of people will never have an actual problem with it).  Only, car companies care about that public image to a degree, and consumers have empathy towards the few who may have a problem.  A car that is simply too small and gets gas mileage   in the single digits.  It'll get laughed out of existence.

Same thing is happening here more or less.  A lot of peopel see this product that is not friendly to the possible uses of all past similar products and it's mocked and shunned, even by people that don't have a specific problem with the details themselves, they see how it would be problematic for others.  It's called empathy.

If you don't have any, you may be a sociopath, or worse.
 
2013-06-16 01:31:20 PM

yukichigai: I want your skull: [i.imgur.com image 471x281]

[www.imagehustler.com image 850x618]

The Atari is so awesome this scale has to be logarithmic


No IBM 8088?

PC Gamers are disapoint.
 
2013-06-16 02:17:39 PM
The question people need to be asking themselves... but first some facts.

MS loses money on almost every console, game and accessory for the Xbox since the start.

The CEO of MS was quoted as saying "We are going to put a computer in every living room in america".  This was before the Xbox came out.

So, now that we know MS wants a computer in your living room SO BAD that they are willing to throw away billions of dollars to do it.  And now they have added an always on, required camera, audio recorder and person tracking to the system.

Why the fark would you buy that and put it in your house?  Do you really want the details of your life sold to advertisers?  Because that is exactly what is happening.
 
2013-06-16 02:21:54 PM
At least Nintendo seems to be keeping customer rights first instead of trying to rape their way to bigger slice of the pie.

http://wiiudaily.com/2013/06/miyamoto-on-game-ownership/
 
2013-06-16 05:29:19 PM

yukichigai: The Atari is so awesome this scale has to be logarithmic


1. If it's logarithmic then how is '3' equidistant between 2^1 and 2^2?

2. An I so desperate to look smart on the Internet that I must nitpick this?
 
2013-06-16 09:44:58 PM

poot_rootbeer: yukichigai: The Atari is so awesome this scale has to be logarithmic

1. If it's logarithmic then how is '3' equidistant between 2^1 and 2^2?


Blame Microsoft, since the chart was made in Excel.

Yay, more reasons to hate on MS.  If only I could cram the start screen and screen area hot zones into that chart too somehow.
 
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