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(IGN)   A recent poll of over 280,000 gamers shows that 81% of respondents favored the PS4 over the Xbone. Micro$oft VP Phil Spencer countered with, "This isn't a sprint" while strains of Vader's Theme played in the background   (ign.com) divider line 330
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2013-06-15 06:11:16 PM
I'll never buy another Sony console until they make a controller that makes sense with human hands. Not sure why they continue to put the D-pad in the prime real estate of the controller. N64 was the first good analogue console controller, and the 2nd generation of original Xbox controllers took a step further. That being said, the new Xbox One doesn't do much for me that my PCs can't already do, with Steam Big Picture and a wireless xbox controller adapter I can play new AAA console titles on my PC for 75% cheaper per title. Most games I play are better with keyboard and mouse anyhow, you simply can't have the same depth of game experience with any controller currently out there.
 
2013-06-15 06:11:36 PM

Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.
 
2013-06-15 06:12:05 PM

sat1va: I'll never buy another Sony console until they make a controller that makes sense with human hands. Not sure why they continue to put the D-pad in the prime real estate of the controller. N64 was the first good analogue console controller, and the 2nd generation of original Xbox controllers took a step further. That being said, the new Xbox One doesn't do much for me that my PCs can't already do, with Steam Big Picture and a wireless xbox controller adapter I can play new AAA console titles on my PC for 75% cheaper per title. Most games I play are better with keyboard and mouse anyhow, you simply can't have the same depth of game experience with any controller currently out there.


Preach it.
 
2013-06-15 06:12:12 PM

Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.


I was doing 2048x1536 well before 1080p screens even existed in the USA.

/Trinitron CRT, baby, 21"
 
2013-06-15 06:12:40 PM
I finally got decent flat screen with HDMI and the X360 isn't doing a whole lot for me any longer.

Picked up a PS3 just for grins, first time owning one, and it's kinda impressive.

I don't trade games, but the PS4 is calling to me because:

1.  The Microsoft announcements were full of douchebaggery.  Unapologetic douchebaggery again and again.
2.  The Sony guys were fun and seemed to know their demographic.
3.  MS didn't seem to know their asses from a hole in the ground.
4.  The only titles I'm interested in, that I can't get on the PC are - Destiny and Dust 514 (the upgraded version).  I'm sure there will be other PS4 titles coming out that are interesting to me - but the new Xbox didn't have ANYTHING to interesting me.  Online media, and driving games.  Ohh boy.
 
2013-06-15 06:13:35 PM

Carth: MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour

Every winter. People in NE frequently lose power for 3-5 days it is why everyone has generators. Parts Vermont lost power for weeks last year. Why shouldn't I be able to play single player video games off a generator when the internet is down?


Chiming in on that point. I work offshore in the Gulf of Mexico and our PS3 gets connected MAYBE once every three months.
 
2013-06-15 06:14:07 PM
Too many of these posts are looking like a god-damn press release that are really straining to sound genuine. It's as if someone in their 50s or 60s is directing people how to act cool to the gaming crowd. I'm bringing at least 4 of my XBox friends over with me to the PS4 after this boondoggle.
 
2013-06-15 06:14:39 PM

pxlboy: kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.

My games download from Steam faster than they do over the torrents...much faster. They have sales and all of my games are in one place (which can be convenient, like when I lost my HL2 discs).


and that's been my take as well, sure I can't sell my games but that isn't really one of my behaviors any ways, the sales allow me to pick the price point I want and the DL speed is blazin'.  I have also not heard of steam arbitrarily knocking a few thousand users off their accounts because they so much as dared to mod some of the games they're playing either.  Basically I trust steam, I do not trust Sony, Microsoft and no f'in way Origin.  If Gamersgate would go back to 'paypal is optional' I'd continue bouncing purchases between them and Steam.  GoGs is a great service as well for what it is, frankly a lot of the older titles while nostalgic just don't play right on modern displays.

Steam is just a great platform and the new greenlight feature has opened my eyes to many many indie projects and hearing they're taking a solid run at doing gaming on Linux this might be the final nail in the Windows is my desktop because of DirectX gaming.  Neat stuff, win7 may actually be the last MS product I use.
 
2013-06-15 06:14:47 PM

quiotu: Elegy: Gleeman: Elegy: But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability.

What games are you playing? Longest I've ever had to wait to start a PS3 game is maybe 30-45 seconds, after the initial install/update of course.

I'm specifically thinking of Uncharted 3, Dragon Age, FF13-2, and the mass effect games.

Uncharted 3 and Dragon Age were by far the worst offenders. Beautiful games, but level to level load times were 30-45 seconds, and the startup load time for both was 2+ minutes.

The Uncharted games all worked the same, they had one mildly long load when you started or loaded a game, and the rest loaded seamlessly as you played.

As someone who played and beat all three games, you are completely and utterly full of shiat here.


I played through all three Uncharted as well and the only thing that was annoying was the loading as they reset the level after you died. Of course, I upgraded the stock PS3 drive with a 500 GB 7200 RPM 16MB cache laptop drive, which made everything a lot snappier (except for the slow assed PSN Store).
 
2013-06-15 06:15:53 PM

kendelrio: Carth: MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour

Every winter. People in NE frequently lose power for 3-5 days it is why everyone has generators. Parts Vermont lost power for weeks last year. Why shouldn't I be able to play single player video games off a generator when the internet is down?

Chiming in on that point. I work offshore in the Gulf of Mexico and our PS3 gets connected MAYBE once every three months.


microsoft has a product for you: it's called the xbox 360
 
2013-06-15 06:16:46 PM
You know I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet, but you think maybe people are interested in the PS4 more because, I dunno... it's the only console they can get? The Xbox One is initially only workable in 21 countries... half of Europe and all of Asia are NOT covered.
 
2013-06-15 06:17:20 PM

BumpInTheNight: pxlboy: kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.

My games download from Steam faster than they do over the torrents...much faster. They have sales and all of my games are in one place (which can be convenient, like when I lost my HL2 discs).

and that's been my take as well, sure I can't sell my games but that isn't really one of my behaviors any ways, the sales allow me to pick the price point I want and the DL speed is blazin'.  I have also not heard of steam arbitrarily knocking a few thousand users off their accounts because they so much as dared to mod some of the games they're playing either.  Basically I trust steam, I do not trust Sony, Microsoft and no f'in way Origin.  If Gamersgate would go back to 'paypal is optional' I'd continue bouncing purchases between them and Steam.  GoGs is a great service as well for what it is, frankly a lot of the older titles while nostalgic just don't play right on modern displays.

Steam is just a great platform and the new greenlight feature has opened my eyes to many many indie projects and hearing they're taking a solid run at doing gaming on Linux this might be the final nail in the Windows is my desktop because of DirectX gaming.  Neat stuff, win7 may actually be the last MS product I use.


No doubt. I pick up a new game on sale about once a week or so.
 
2013-06-15 06:18:00 PM
As a long time X-Box fan, they can eat a dick. I'm eyeing a PS4.
 
2013-06-15 06:18:06 PM

pxlboy: BumpInTheNight: pxlboy: kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.

My games download from Steam faster than they do over the torrents...much faster. They have sales and all of my games are in one place (which can be convenient, like when I lost my HL2 discs).

and that's been my take as well, sure I can't sell my games but that isn't really one of my behaviors any ways, the sales allow me to pick the price point I want and the DL speed is blazin'.  I have also not heard of steam arbitrarily knocking a few thousand users off their accounts because they so much as dared to mod some of the games they're playing either.  Basically I trust steam, I do not trust Sony, Microsoft and no f'in way Origin.  If Gamersgate would go back to 'paypal is optional' I'd continue bouncing purchases between them and Steam.  GoGs is a great service as well for what it is, frankly a lot of the older titles while nostalgic just don't play right on modern displays.

Steam is just a great platform and the new greenlight feature has opened my eyes to many many indie projects and hearing they're taking a solid run at doing gaming on Linux this might be the final nail in the Windows is my desktop because of DirectX gaming.  Neat stuff, win7 may actually be the last MS product I use.

No doubt. I pick up a new game on sale about once a week or so.


I couldn't imagine the Japanese gaming market even being interested in XBox.
 
2013-06-15 06:18:59 PM

quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.


Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.
 
2013-06-15 06:20:14 PM

MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour


I am one of those people who doesn't have my PS3 connected to the internet. I currently can't afford internet in this area (my smartphone handles my basic online needs) and I like the fact that I can still play my games despite not having a constant connection. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been stuck with crappy internet that might go down for days on end randomly. It was never a common problem but when it did happen it was nice to still be able to use my gaming system to kill time until the problems were fixed.
 
2013-06-15 06:24:11 PM

Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.


You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.
 
2013-06-15 06:28:44 PM

Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.


Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.
 
2013-06-15 06:28:52 PM

khyberkitsune: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

I was doing 2048x1536 well before 1080p screens even existed in the USA.

/Trinitron CRT, baby, 21"


But what was the refresh rate? From what I remember of those, when you maxed out the resolution, the refresh rate dropped down to 60Hz or below, which just made my eyes bleed because of the way CRT tech worked. Realistically, 1920x1440 was the highest you could go and still stay at a comfortable 85Hz.
 
2013-06-15 06:30:46 PM

Elegy: You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.


Mr. Mattrick just heard about your behavior.  You have until the end of the day to get your stuff out of your desk.  If you have any questions, you can speak to me or any of the other supervisors, but your termination is final.
 
2013-06-15 06:35:38 PM

Cheater71: Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.

Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.


Because you were listening to me and taking me seriously to begin with, amirite?
 
2013-06-15 06:37:59 PM

Elegy: Cheater71: Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.

Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.

Because you were listening to me and taking me seriously to begin with, amirite?


Nah, this guy ain't a shill. Even Fark shills don't suck this bad. So, apologies for that.
 
2013-06-15 06:39:53 PM

Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)


imgs.xkcd.com

Not to mention that most games for PS3 only run in 720P.

/WTF, The Last of Us?
 
2013-06-15 06:45:07 PM

Gleeman: Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)



Not to mention that most games for PS3 only run in 720P.

/WTF, The Last of Us?


I judge games based on how fun they are when I play them, not how many pixels fit across the screen. But, whatever's important to you, yaknow?
 
2013-06-15 06:49:30 PM

sat1va: I'll never buy another Sony console until they make a controller that makes sense with human hands. Not sure why they continue to put the D-pad in the prime real estate of the controller. N64 was the first good analogue console controller, and the 2nd generation of original Xbox controllers took a step further. That being said, the new Xbox One doesn't do much for me that my PCs can't already do, with Steam Big Picture and a wireless xbox controller adapter I can play new AAA console titles on my PC for 75% cheaper per title. Most games I play are better with keyboard and mouse anyhow, you simply can't have the same depth of game experience with any controller currently out there.


Well I dunno how reliable these are, but there are 3rd party controllers for Sony consoles that are ergonomically similar to the Xbox's:

http://www.powera.com/FUS1ON

http://www.target.com/p/ps3-pro-elite-wireless-controller-playstatio n- 3/-/A-13217769?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=%7C13217769 &CPNG=Electronics&kpid=13217769&ci_gpa=pla&ci_sku=13217769
 
2013-06-15 06:49:56 PM

quiotu: Elegy: Cheater71: Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.

Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.

Because you were listening to me and taking me seriously to begin with, amirite?

Nah, this guy ain't a shill. Even Fark shills don't suck this bad. So, apologies for that.


I've been called a paid MS shill in every one of these threads I've participated in. Pardon me if I lack the patience to spar with witticisms at this point.
 
2013-06-15 06:51:02 PM
MS would get so much less flak... if theyd just put a simple hardware shutter on the new kinect. Simple little piece of sliding plastic. I think its an amazing piece of technology, but i give it 3 years tops before it starts getting used by law enforcement in some cases.
 
2013-06-15 06:51:19 PM

Carth: RyansPrivates: kendelrio: Paid shill like typing detected.

BullBearMS: Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

Alts?

I mean, this is Fark and all, but if the crux of your response to someones points is that they must be paid shills, you have lost the argument.  The closes thing I know unequivocally to being a shill is Paul Thurrott and he gave a pretty scathing critique (with what MS should do) in his column.

There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill


Wasn't aware of that, thanks for the link.  But I will say anyone who thinks that Sony, Warner Brothers, AT&T, Samsung or countless other companies haven't done this is kidding themselves.  I can name one company that probably hasn't done it: Apple.  They largely don't need to nor care since they are trading on being exclusive as a good thing.
 
2013-06-15 06:52:26 PM
"Xbone"... "Micro$oft"?

How about X1 or XB1 and Microsoft? Yeah, I know that troll-like headlines are the norm on Fark these days, but this one just screams Sony fanboy.
 
2013-06-15 06:53:01 PM

quiotu: Nah, this guy ain't a shill. Even Fark shills don't suck this bad. So, apologies for that.


If you want to find the shills, be sure to point out that XBone's GPU is a full third less powerful than the PS4.

Trust me, they can't possibly avoid the explosive butthurt this one little undeniable fact causes.
 
2013-06-15 06:54:39 PM

Saborlas: If they nerf or ditch the "must check in" bit, I'm on board.

The ability to share your library (including DLC) with a friend has made loaning games easier. Your buddy wants to play Forza? He can play your copy without even acquiring the disc.


Once. Just once.
 
2013-06-15 06:57:02 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.

This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.


Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?  if not, we are not talking about the same thing.  Even the Wii can download some games.

By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One.  Can I expect a clever response?  If it were me, I'd go with the angle that changing nothing is better than breaking something.  It's a false dichotomy, but that's cool -- this is the internet.
 
2013-06-15 06:58:14 PM

JohnnyC: "Xbone"... "Micro$oft"?

How about X1 or XB1 and Microsoft? Yeah, I know that troll-like headlines are the norm on Fark these days, but this one just screams Sony fanboy.


Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.
 
2013-06-15 06:59:13 PM

Andyr2120: Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?


Yep. The Last of Us was available yesterday, same day as the release on disc

Andyr2120: By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One


I never made the assertion. Why would I try to explain something I never asserted?
 
2013-06-15 06:59:35 PM

Cyno01: MS would get so much less flak... if theyd just put a simple hardware shutter on the new kinect. Simple little piece of sliding plastic. I think its an amazing piece of technology, but i give it 3 years tops before it starts getting used by law enforcement in some cases.


Paranoid prediction is paranoid. Luckily, nobody, including you, will remember your prediction in three years. Microsoft was going to get flak from Microsoft haters no matter what they did.
 
2013-06-15 07:00:15 PM
Honestly, I don't know if I will buy either of them within a year of launch just for the simple fact I'm not a "Hardcore Gamer", Although picking between the two I'd have to go with PS4. 9 times out of 10, when I boot up my 360 I don't have it connected to the internet. Mostly I just play Madden, Monster Jam, Halo Reach in Wave Mode or the occasional random game of AvP. I play all of these offline because I normally don't have XBL Gold. I don't need a Multimedia All In One system, I have cable for TV and sports and the computer for Netflix. I'm not a religious gamer, I have two jobs plus my training, plus my chasing, so when I do game I don't want to worry about useless features. I'll probably just keep the 360 and not go Next Gen unless I have the extra money for it and the time to play to justify it.
 
2013-06-15 07:00:23 PM

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.

This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.

Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?  if not, we are not talking about the same thing.  Even the Wii can download some games.

By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One.  Can I expect a clever response?  If it were me, I'd go with the angle that changing nothing is better than breaking something.  It's a false dichotomy, but that's cool -- this is the internet.


I think you can, actually.
 
2013-06-15 07:00:44 PM

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.

This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.

Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?  if not, we are not talking about the same thing.  Even the Wii can download some games.

By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One.  Can I expect a clever response?  If it were me, I'd go with the angle that changing nothing is better than breaking something.  It's a false dichotomy, but that's cool -- this is the internet.


Did you even watch their press conference? Yes, you will be able to download AAA games the day they are released. And since you can use any hard drive you want with it you don't even have to worry about filling up all the space and having to delete games.
 
2013-06-15 07:01:11 PM

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.

This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.

Can you download and install a major release like the next Call of Duty on the day it comes out?  if not, we are not talking about the same thing.  Even the Wii can download some games.

By the way, you never tried to explain how the PS4 is more innovative than the Xbox One.  Can I expect a clever response?  If it were me, I'd go with the angle that changing nothing is better than breaking something.  It's a false dichotomy, but that's cool -- this is the internet.


Yes, this is already available on the PS3. All PS3 games have a simultaneous release for the hard copy and the digital download. With PS+, they'll even occasionally give you a small discount, or bonus stuff for downloading it.
 
2013-06-15 07:01:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.


Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".
 
2013-06-15 07:02:24 PM
As proof, here's The Last of Us available as a download on Sony's website:

http://us.playstation.com/games/the-last-of-us-ps3.html
 
2013-06-15 07:03:15 PM

JohnnyC: cameroncrazy1984: Literally everyone on the Internet is calling it Xbone. Deal with it.

Not really. Just the people who are trying to claim it's a failure and what not. It's not unlike people who say, "Nobama".


So, 81% of gamers, basically.
 
2013-06-15 07:03:31 PM

Beerguy: I made a video specifically about the XBone for my gaming channel.

http://youtu.be/JVGQpFCyVJs


Why do people with zero public-speaking skills make video blogs?

Good on you for your service and for thinking about the troops, but it's not exactly the best argument against the Xbox.  What about that stinking camera?
 
2013-06-15 07:04:00 PM

Elegy: quiotu: Elegy: Cheater71: Elegy: Cheater71: quiotu: Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'? What signifies failing? The last console that literally failed was the Dreamcast. Microsoft lost billions on the first Xbox... literally billions. It paled to their OS sales, so they didn't care.
Microsoft doesn't fail often due to their 'throw money at the problem until it's moot' strategy.

Thats how you can tell this guy works for microsoft or a marketing company. He thinks laughing at the consumers is a good way to convince them to buy the Xboxone.

You're precious. Better watch out for that fluoridated water and those chemtrails, too.

Thats right, just keep mocking people. Thats a great way to get them to trust and listen to you.

Because you were listening to me and taking me seriously to begin with, amirite?

Nah, this guy ain't a shill. Even Fark shills don't suck this bad. So, apologies for that.

I've been called a paid MS shill in every one of these threads I've participated in. Pardon me if I lack the patience to spar with witticisms at this point.


That says more about you than anyone else.
 
2013-06-15 07:04:51 PM

EkimProx: People don't understand that you're never going to get amazing deals like you get on Steam without DRM. Beats the holy hell out of trading in The Last of Us for $30 tomorrow at GameStop so they'll sell it for $54. You want cheap games? You want to buy used games? If you have DRM then you can download them in the future for a fraction of the cost.


So that's why GoG.com offers deals and cheap amazing games? The DRM.
 
2013-06-15 07:06:20 PM

JohnnyC: Cyno01: MS would get so much less flak... if theyd just put a simple hardware shutter on the new kinect. Simple little piece of sliding plastic. I think its an amazing piece of technology, but i give it 3 years tops before it starts getting used by law enforcement in some cases.

Paranoid prediction is paranoid. Luckily, nobody, including you, will remember your prediction in three years. Microsoft was going to get flak from Microsoft haters no matter what they did.


Now don't get me wrong I don't even own any tinfoil let alone enough to make a hat, but in this particular climate and specifically the events of last week playing out how they did, you really don't expect the partnerships in play to make a grab at access to live video feed from inside of a target's home if it was just sitting there with nothing but a flimsy home router between it and the internet?  Really?  and if not those kinds of entities going for it, every kinect is going to be an awful juicy target for lulz for every script kiddy from here to russia.  Because hacking webcams attached to PC-like systems is hard, right?
 
2013-06-15 07:09:39 PM

ringersol: AdamK: "no 24 hr check needed"

The 24 hr check *is* a touch unnecessary. But the account tying is rather implicit in digital distribution.
They've basically got a 'Steam on Day 1' pitch at the moment. Discs have all the drawbacks of both, account bans kill purchases, no offline play to speak of, etc.

Valve got it right, eventually. So why not MS, eventually?

Either way, console gaming is going to look a lot more like MS's pitch than Sony's, long before this 'generation' is out.


Er, no.

Both Sony and Microsoft are heading in the same direction with regards to digital, but one is forcing it while the other is still giving consumers the option of physical media if they wish.

Honestly, what's wrong with choice? More options is a massive benefit to consumers. Sony allows people to choose, while Microsoft is forcing it, while offering less and charging more.
 
2013-06-15 07:10:17 PM
Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...
 
2013-06-15 07:12:55 PM

anfrind: Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill

For what it's worth, none of the shills in this thread have an "Account Created" date new enough to be part of a reputation management campaign (the accounts are all at least a year old, some much older).  Unless it's some kind of reputation management sleeper cell...


That sounds like it could make for a funny short film...or I'm just sleep-deprived.
 
2013-06-15 07:13:11 PM

quiotu: Is 'I'm not buying their console' now the same as 'Microsoft will fail'?


This.

Much like any other fundy/zealot/extreme liberal/trolly alt/shill, he's not trying so much to argue against what people are actually saying(typically legitimate) but attempting to straw man an argument that he can knock down, thinking it will be an easy win.

Wanting microsoft to fail =\= predictions about failure =\= hesitant combination of the two

Xbox was the first console I ever really liked(though I owned others, primarily it was the controller).
I really liked the 360 at first.  Until NXE dashboard, the Xii avatars, and streaming commercials to me on my dime.  I knew then I'd not re-up, it was an indication of the future.  Sure enough "Windows 8" is more like NXE 2, and xbox 1 is an anti-consumer piece invasive and tyrannical hardware providing nothing new.  It's a glorified set-top box that will brick if, not if, when internet has outages(even if they're not on my end), if I travel, if a storm comes, if they decide to ban me for saying a "dirty" word while online, etc.

What I'd like to see?  Anon DDOS MS servers just after christmas, pull it off for 24 hours plus.

Another thing I find humorous, is that you know a ton of these are going to be bought by unaware consumers and there are going to be floods of returns.  You think retailers are going to put up with that?  fark no.  MS will continue to take heat for selling something that so easily bricks(even if it's temporary), only they won't be able to tell wal-mart/bestbuy/costco to go shove it like they are consumers at the moment.  Bad things are going to happen if they don't back down on call-backs before release.
 
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