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2013-06-15 05:38:15 PM

MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.


Throwing steam in with that list of garbage proves you don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

Steam has only one built in DRM, it checks, when you first run a game, if the license is legit.  Literally everything else is publishers adding DRM layers.  Steam allows infinite offline play, requires an internet connection ONLY ONCE, and frankly, it just works really really well.  Also, steam sales.

Origin is a joke, and not a very funny one.  Amazon is a "me too service" and won't last.  Gamefly is a rental service and I have never met anyone that uses it, except children on consoles.

Basically, you just poured a large amount of bullshiat through your teeth into your keyboard.
 
2013-06-15 05:39:07 PM

RyansPrivates: kendelrio: Paid shill like typing detected.

BullBearMS: Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

Alts?

I mean, this is Fark and all, but if the crux of your response to someones points is that they must be paid shills, you have lost the argument.  The closes thing I know unequivocally to being a shill is Paul Thurrott and he gave a pretty scathing critique (with what MS should do) in his column.


My response was in reply to the use of buzzwords not normally used in conversation and trying to paint a turd gold and sell it as a troy ounce.
 
2013-06-15 05:39:08 PM

Carth: There have been some reports that microsoft is employing reputation management companies to go online and post postive things about xbox one. That is why people are quick to label anyone supporting it a shill


Certain keywords and similar phrases popping up are also kind of giveaways. I keep seeing a lot of different people saying 'innovation' and 'blown away' and 'taking gaming into the future/next generation/to the next level' and variants on those themes. When you see those same phrases pop up, it really gives credence to the 'reputation management' theory.
 
2013-06-15 05:39:15 PM

Elegy: I own both a PS3 and a 360. Despite the PS3 having more computing power its marginally better graphics, the experience of using the machine is vastly slower than the 360.


Since you can't count to potato, let's repeat this bit.

There's no escaping the fact that Microsoft has given the Xbox One less GPU hardware than Sony gave the PlayStation 4. Note that unlike the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 era, Sony's hardware advantage here won't need any clever developer work to extract - the architectures are near identical, Sony just has more resources available to use.

XBone costs 100 bucks more, but is one third slower on graphics.
 
2013-06-15 05:40:23 PM

poot_rootbeer: Andyr2120: Nerd rage is a terrible thing.  Me, I'm getting both, but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.

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Holy crap, I haven't seen Pokey in years!

/HOORJ!
 
2013-06-15 05:40:23 PM

Elegy: But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability.


What games are you playing? Longest I've ever had to wait to start a PS3 game is maybe 30-45 seconds, after the initial install/update of course.
 
2013-06-15 05:41:11 PM

taxandspend: I for one would love to know about these games from E3 that left you "utterly blown away" because everything I saw barely rose above the "meh" levels. Only two games that really rocked my socks was Bayonetta 2 and Tearaway.


You must have missed the part about television integration in Microsoft's X-Box One. You can now easily watch your Netflix videos on demand with a simple voice command. These are the kinds of innovative features that will make life so much easier. The games are just icing on the cake.
 
2013-06-15 05:41:43 PM

igorknowsall: Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.


Similar story here.  One day I hit pause and asked myself, "What the fark am I doing?".

Been clean since 96'
 
2013-06-15 05:42:26 PM

Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.


Because my smugness of being a master race PC gamer knows no bounds:  5760x1080, yes that's three 1080p monitors and yes games play across all three to create amazing immersion.

Link to a 5760x1080 screen shot of Skyrim, for instance
 
2013-06-15 05:42:57 PM

kendelrio: RyansPrivates: kendelrio: Paid shill like typing detected.

BullBearMS: Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

Alts?

I mean, this is Fark and all, but if the crux of your response to someones points is that they must be paid shills, you have lost the argument.  The closes thing I know unequivocally to being a shill is Paul Thurrott and he gave a pretty scathing critique (with what MS should do) in his column.

My response was in reply to the use of buzzwords not normally used in conversation and trying to paint a turd gold and sell it as a troy ounce.


Especially when they work so hard to ignore what is known about the PS4 and Xbone (both will require you to install the games on the local hard disk before plying) to go on and on about how loading levels off the optical disk is slow.
 
2013-06-15 05:43:56 PM

Andyr2120: That's great, but if you buy a PS4 game you will need to find it and put it in the tray to play it.


This has probably been covered already but uhh. No, no you don't. You can buy a PS4 game over the internet. No disc required.
 
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2013-06-15 05:44:04 PM
A recent poll of over 280,000 consolegamers shows that 81% of respondents favored the PS4 over the Xbone

FTFY
 
2013-06-15 05:44:12 PM

MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.


There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.

The used game/digital distribution, check in once a day shiat, ip region locking is just twisting the knife, pouring salt in the wound and then wrapping it in a rubbing alcohol bandage.

Get bent MS. Never thought I'd pick a sony product over them again.
 
2013-06-15 05:45:04 PM

Satan's Girlfriend: taxandspend: I for one would love to know about these games from E3 that left you "utterly blown away" because everything I saw barely rose above the "meh" levels. Only two games that really rocked my socks was Bayonetta 2 and Tearaway.

You must have missed the part about television integration in Microsoft's X-Box One. You can now easily watch your Netflix videos on demand with a simple voice command*. These are the kinds of innovative features that will make life so much easier. The games are just icing on the cake.


*If you also pay for xbox live gold because it totally makes sense for MS to charge  you to access your netflix account

/just adding so people don't forget
 
2013-06-15 05:45:48 PM

Elegy: Steam has proven that gamers don't necessarily care about single use licenses, but developers do, perhaps providing more incentive for developer exclusives to the XB1.


I'll repost what I wrote in the other thread:

Steam (and the gradual transformation of computer games into digital product) provided discernible, meaningful benefits for consumers at every step of the process.  When players needed product keys, it was a compromise for giving players a standardized means of access to the online multiplayer modes being shipped with their games.  Note that this did not stop people from freely distributing the game for use in single-player or for use in Local Area Network modes.  When Steam got popular, it took the system created by the product keys and, after a couple of years, turned it into something that provided advantages over the old system, providing more convenience to players.  And most importantly, Valve adjusted their prices to compensate for the transformation of boxed, retail goods into a digital service.  Players gained benefit from the process at every level, and with help from the people who crack this software, maintain full access to the software should they desire it.  Not tell me, what benefit do you think I'm going to get for console video games by taking a largely ubiquitous, convenient, and easy form of game distribution (one which can readily be cracked and emulated for use on personal computers) and replacing it with a walled garden where there is a very realistic chance the games will never find an emulated format?

If you're a game developer in the publishing ecosystem, you should be looking at getting the hell out of there right about now, because your overlords are trying to create a system where your game only exists for as long as it is profitable.  And yes, this business model threatens the very preservation of video games.  There is nothing okay about this.  Vidya art is at stake here.  The only good thing is that most of the games which use client-server models and systemic failure as a business choice and not a necessity (Diablo III, 2013's SimCity, League of Legends, DotA 2, StarCraft II etc.) aren't very good and we won't be losing anything of significant value...yet.
 
2013-06-15 05:45:55 PM

Kahabut: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

Throwing steam in with that list of garbage proves you don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

Steam has only one built in DRM, it checks, when you first run a game, if the license is legit.  Literally everything else is publishers adding DRM layers.  Steam allows infinite offline play, requires an internet connection ONLY ONCE, and frankly, it just works really really well.  Also, steam sales.

Origin is a joke, and not a very funny one.  Amazon is a "me too service" and won't last.  Gamefly is a rental service and I have never met anyone that uses it, except children on consoles.

Basically, you just poured a large amount of bullshiat through your teeth into your keyboard.



I'd be real careful about claiming someone is full of shiat while being full of shiat yourself. Here's a screenshot I just took:

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2013-06-15 05:46:22 PM

Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.


3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)
 
2013-06-15 05:47:21 PM

Arachnophobe: Certain keywords and similar phrases popping up are also kind of giveaways. I keep seeing a lot of different people saying 'innovation' and 'blown away' and 'taking gaming into the future/next generation/to the next level' and variants on those themes. When you see those same phrases pop up, it really gives credence to the 'reputation management' theory.


Why would Microsoft need to provide positive press for the Xbox One™?  This system is going to redefine the way we look at interactive entertainment, where I can begin my day with Nike Trainer Plus™ for Kinect™, watch The Price Is Right™ during the day, and end it with an intense Halo™ match on Xbox Live™.  Wow.  This is an amazing system.
 
2013-06-15 05:47:44 PM

Elegy: BullBearMS: Elegy: Software structure and GUI response time make a big difference in the end user experience. Do try to keep up.

Paid Microsoft shill like typing detected.

XBone's hardware is a full third less powerful when it comes to graphics than the PS4.

That's just a fact, no matter how you try to spin it.

Costs more. Does less.

I love the fact that anyone who actually prefers the 360 to PC gaming or a PS3 MUST be a paid shill.

I own both a PS3 and a 360. Despite the PS3 having more computing power its marginally better graphics, the experience of using the machine is vastly slower than the 360.

So yes, the PS3 is "faster" than the 360 - hence the better graphics. But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability. It is vastly frustrating, the 360 by far is a much faster, smoother experience, despite the lower quality of graphics.

If you really don't understand that raw numbers do not necessarily mean a faster, less frustrating experience on the user's end, then you must not know much about computers.


I'm not entering this on either side of the console war (I'm out - consoles are a horrible place to be a dev nowadays), just wanted to provide my $0.02 worth of console development experience.

Back when I was a first party Sony developer back in the Playstation 1 days, there was a wall between us and the "real" first party developers in Japan. We got very little technical support or help in getting the most out of the architecture. We really resented that; the Japanese internal devs were getting great performance out of it and we had to figure out ourselves the best way to use it. It was a frustrating waste of our resources because we were reinventing wheels instead of putting time and energy toward what made a game fun. The Xbox was somewhat more open, not that tech support was any better but MS was less territorial about everything. Well, maybe "indifferent" is more accurate.

End anecdote. Sony and MS may/may not still behave that way.

Back then the money was in consoles. PC gaming had it's niche, but consoles was growing and was diverse. Now the console gaming economy is shrinking, and to the extent that there's any money to be made in it, it's only in sequels to last year's billion dollar Warcraft / Military FPS / Sports/Madden/FIFA.

The exciting stuff is in Steam or mobile. I got the hell out of consoles because it sucks being in studios that bet everything chasing the billion dollar franchise and being a faceless dev on teams of 250+.  Now I'm on smaller teams (again, like on the early days of consoles) where dev cycles are months not years, and a mild success pays your bills for the next year or two.
 
2013-06-15 05:47:59 PM

Satan's Girlfriend: You must have missed the part about television integration in Microsoft's X-Box One. You can now easily watch your Netflix videos on demand with a simple voice command. These are the kinds of innovative features that will make life so much easier. The games are just icing on the cake.


Holy shiat!!! I can watch Netflix with a simple push of a button without paying $60 to Microsoft!
 
2013-06-15 05:48:02 PM
Huh, all this sounds kinda familiar...

"Divx, which effectively had its plug pulled by Circuit City yesterday, wasn't just another example of a technology that failed to catch on. Instead, it was a widely hated platform hounded to its death by disgruntled consumers fearful of getting stuck in a Betamax quandary."

Those who fail to learn are doomed to repeat. Pissing off the core consumers (who are fairly informed) tends to be a bad market decision.

/Sticking with my glorious PC master race gaming, myself
 
2013-06-15 05:50:59 PM
We already have direct evidence that Microsoft is actively paying people to post pro-bone stuff on the web.  Rumors suggest lots of low-post-count people all over the web being very very very pro-ryse, which looked like the lamest game.
 
2013-06-15 05:51:53 PM

Dafatone: Lots of people wanted a Steam console.  This is a Steam console.

/the 24hour check-in thing is dumb and kind of a problem, though.


My Steam client installation has never required the presence of a webcam.
 
2013-06-15 05:52:01 PM

Kahabut: Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.


Yo, wtf monitor did that?  I know of the 2650x1600s but never a genuine square resolution CRT...on this topic you see the 2650x1080s that are showing up?  Saw one in the flesh at a PC shop the other day and it just caught me off guard how wide the damn things are, figure triple of those would be hilarious but its really bridging into 2x3 land at that point and meh might as well wait for the 4Ks to start showing up and just use some 30" versions of them instead.
 
2013-06-15 05:52:03 PM

MithrandirBooga: Kahabut: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

Throwing steam in with that list of garbage proves you don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

Steam has only one built in DRM, it checks, when you first run a game, if the license is legit.  Literally everything else is publishers adding DRM layers.  Steam allows infinite offline play, requires an internet connection ONLY ONCE, and frankly, it just works really really well.  Also, steam sales.

Origin is a joke, and not a very funny one.  Amazon is a "me too service" and won't last.  Gamefly is a rental service and I have never met anyone that uses it, except children on consoles.

Basically, you just poured a large amount of bullshiat through your teeth into your keyboard.


I'd be real careful about claiming someone is full of shiat while being full of shiat yourself. Here's a screenshot I just took:

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OK, so gamefly added a store function.  Excuse me for not keeping up with the latest trend.  It really doesn't change anything else.

Steam is a solid service with a long history of doing the right thing for the gamers.  Everything else is "metoo" and most of them are horrible at it.  Cough, origin, cough.
 
2013-06-15 05:53:37 PM
I think it's also worth mentioning that Mountain Dew and Dorito's are currently creating an unprecedented experience surrounding the Microsoft's X-Box One! As an average gamer I thought this was radical, because I love both Mountain Dew and Dorito's. Head on over to http://www.dewanddoritos.com/ for more details. Be sure to tell all your friends to sign up.
 
2013-06-15 05:54:46 PM

Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.



Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour
 
2013-06-15 05:55:00 PM

Satan's Girlfriend: I think it's also worth mentioning that Mountain Dew and Dorito's are currently creating an unprecedented experience surrounding the Microsoft's X-Box One! As an average gamer I thought this was radical, because I love both Mountain Dew and Dorito's. Head on over to http://www.dewanddoritos.com/ for more details. Be sure to tell all your friends to sign up.


Okay okay, now I'm not sure if you're just making fun of shilling at this point :P
 
2013-06-15 05:55:01 PM
"Gamers" are an increasingly small amount of the market.
This poll was done on a video game news site (albeit one that's quite established and popular) so it's not necessarily indicative of the population as a whole.

How many articles need to be written about this exact subject, anyway? Anyone who cares already knows from the previous 50,000 articles.
 
2013-06-15 05:55:06 PM

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?

For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.


I'm sorry, but you sound like a goddamn Microsoft shill; because no gamers (casual or hardcore) is gonna buy that line of BS.
 
2013-06-15 05:55:17 PM

Xythero: I can't wait for the PS4 to come out, because that is probably when I will buy a PS3.

/cheapskate


I'm still rocking the PS2.  I have probably 15 games for it, and I don't think I've spent $120 total.

34 and married.  I just don't play often enough to warrant a bigger gaming budget.  We'd rather put that money towards vacations.
 
2013-06-15 05:56:11 PM

Alonjar: Andyr2120: People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.

aaaand I stopped reading here.  I know lots of people with xbox/kinect, including myself.  I dont know a single person who actually keeps the thing plugged in.  Its just too creepy, and honestly farking pointless.  Flailing your arms around to give the TV commands is NOT more intuitive than pushing a button, sorry.

Also, anybody who has ever actually tried to game with kinect has realized that its clunky and has shiat for games.  They've had quite awhile to release some good kinect titles... they all blow.  Dancing and kids petting animals are the only two things anyone actually uses a kinect for.

I refuse to have an always on spy device watching me all the time.  I physically disable the camera on my laptop and other devices as well.

/Im an xbox loyalist too... but fark you microsoft.  fark you.


And don't get me started on thumb joysticks! D-pads have always worked perfectly fine. And besides, thumb joysticks are way too sensitive and will work horribly compared to the d-pad. D-pads are just so much more intuitive and better. And why put games on CDs? CDs scratch and wear out and aren't nearly as reliable as cartridges. If cartridges were good enough for the NES, they're good enough for the Xbox. And why are there so many buttons? 2 is more than enough. Any more is counterintuitive and will just confuse people.

That's what kinnect whiners sound like. Its 20-farking-13. Stop clinging to the past and preventing innovation, you luddite farksticks.
 
2013-06-15 05:57:17 PM

Gleeman: Elegy: But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability.

What games are you playing? Longest I've ever had to wait to start a PS3 game is maybe 30-45 seconds, after the initial install/update of course.


I'm specifically thinking of Uncharted 3, Dragon Age, FF13-2, and the mass effect games.

Uncharted 3 and Dragon Age were by far the worst offenders. Beautiful games, but level to level load times were 30-45 seconds, and the startup load time for both was 2+ minutes.
 
2013-06-15 05:57:34 PM

Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)


4k TVs will be the best thing to happen to video games in awhile. When console players expect at least 3840 × 2160 it will be a nice change. Even better when 8k starts to filter in.
 
2013-06-15 05:57:39 PM
AdamK: "no 24 hr check needed"

The 24 hr check *is* a touch unnecessary. But the account tying is rather implicit in digital distribution.
They've basically got a 'Steam on Day 1' pitch at the moment. Discs have all the drawbacks of both, account bans kill purchases, no offline play to speak of, etc.

Valve got it right, eventually. So why not MS, eventually?

Either way, console gaming is going to look a lot more like MS's pitch than Sony's, long before this 'generation' is out.
 
2013-06-15 06:02:23 PM

Elegy: Gleeman: Elegy: But the ultimate experience is that I have to sit around and wait on the PS3 to load the game, or the next level, for minutes at a time, to realize that "faster" capability.

What games are you playing? Longest I've ever had to wait to start a PS3 game is maybe 30-45 seconds, after the initial install/update of course.

I'm specifically thinking of Uncharted 3, Dragon Age, FF13-2, and the mass effect games.

Uncharted 3 and Dragon Age were by far the worst offenders. Beautiful games, but level to level load times were 30-45 seconds, and the startup load time for both was 2+ minutes.


The Uncharted games all worked the same, they had one mildly long load when you started or loaded a game, and the rest loaded seamlessly as you played.

As someone who played and beat all three games, you are completely and utterly full of shiat here.
 
2013-06-15 06:02:49 PM
Just wanted to say hi to the MS shills here on FARK. Hi.
 
2013-06-15 06:03:05 PM

MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour


Every winter. People in NE frequently lose power for 3-5 days it is why everyone has generators. Parts Vermont lost power for weeks last year. Why shouldn't I be able to play single player video games off a generator when the internet is down?
 
2013-06-15 06:03:28 PM

MithrandirBooga: Dougie AXP: MithrandirBooga: I am going to enjoy all of the butthurt from PS4 owners when they buy the console and find that the publishers are simply going to make the same DRM requirements the XBox One will have, or when Sony changes its mind a few months down the line and mandates it.


Look we all know digital distribution and the mandatory DRM that goes along with it is the future. It's taken over PC games in the form of Steam/Origin/Gamefly/Amazon/etc. Arguably those services restrict you more than the XBox One will. And PC users love them.

Console users will embrace it eventually. They just need to have their whiny immature manchild temper tantrums first.

There's a difference though, Steam allows you to play games OFFLINE. With no requirement once the initial check is completed.  That's fine with me.

The problem I have is the always on, always watching, always listening Kinect camera that I CANNOT DISCONNECT to be 100% sure that I'm not being watched/listened to.


Be honest. When was the last time you used a computer/console that wasn't attached to the internet at least once a day. I still haven't found a single person outside of the military who can admit to this. So really, the problem is... what, exactly?


Second: You can be 100% sure. You bet your ass people are going to have their Xboxes hooked up to routers that keep track of what data is sent back and forth. The first time *anyone* figures out that the Kinect is uploading anything it isn't supposed to, you bet your ass the entire internet will know in less than an hour


Ok, you want me to be honest? Does last week work for you? Internet service was out for 3 days.

In fact right now, my wireless service is out.

Another example, Tropical Storm Sandy did a particularly nasty number on the telelphone/cable lines here (the cable lines around here aren't buried. They are strung from poles). Power was restored in two days. Internet? two weeks.

And I live in a fairly populous state with access to a lot of creature comforts given I live in the mountain area of my state. The only thing we don't have is Fios. We got 4G LTE this winter. Doesn't mean jackshiat though.

You were saying?

Oh and you saying that people will have routers monitoring the data sent back and forth from the XB1, well we shouldn't have TO DO THAT IN THE FIRST DAMN PLACE.

We wouldn't know that the NSA was basically downloading the entire internet had someone not blown the whistle, I don't want a camera in my house pointed at me unless I'm filming a sex tape.
 
2013-06-15 06:03:43 PM
I'm probably buying an Xbox One as soon as I can, and this is why.

The Kinect sounds incredibly interesting. I know it's always on, and I honestly don't care. I like the possibilities that the camera/voice interaction can bring. I like the novelty of being able to control my entertainment system with a gesture. It seems fun, intuitive, and would be something I could share with friends.

I also remember Xbox requiring broadband for their service, back when only like 1 in 5 households even had broadband. They were looking for a console that would cater to the new customers that were on the way. Microsoft has the capital to sustain a money losing prospect for long enough to turn a huge profit on it, so I figure most of you folks who are so pissed right now will end up buying one, eventually.

I also like a dozen of 15(?) exclusives. For a gaming system, PS4 doesn't seem to care to give you special exclusive games. If Xbox One was somehow jipping the gamers to offer the extra features, why do they have so much money invested in exclusive, highly desirable games?
A massive cloud to support the gaming system is attractive to me too. Microsoft is pumping a ton of cash into this, they're putting in the work, I think they're likely to continue to improve the system. Xbox One will serve me as a gaming platform just fine.

My main concern, I suppose, is the Red Ring of Death incident. They really farked up that hole deal. I was personally burned on this one issue 3 times, although the fourth one they've sent me works fine, and all in all It didn't cos tme any money other than weeks of waiting for the mail.
I hope they don't repeat this. It's not like Sony, having installed viruses onto my computer not too long ago, is all peaches and cream in my book either.

If Xbox doesn't offer at least  a 1 year warranty on the system, as a default, I will reconsider my choice.


I'll also buy a PS4, when they get some exclusives that I want.

And the crazy thing is, I'm a PC gamer. :)


What does tick me off is the responses from Microsoft. They sure do know how to be dickish in their PR.
 
2013-06-15 06:03:46 PM
And yet somehow the PS4 and XB1 have spent the better part of the week flip flopping between the #1 and #2 spots on Amazon's sales chart for video games. It's almost as if they're going after the general public instead of a niche of self important hardcore gamers. They'll be much happier with a thousand customers that buy ten games and ten who buy a hundred games.

/Obviously scale those numbers into millions
 
2013-06-15 06:05:51 PM
What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
 
2013-06-15 06:08:12 PM

Elegy: What really gets me rolling on the floor in laughter is all of the MS hate.

When the first Xbox was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was just low powered computer hardware and because Micro$oft.

When the 360 was released, it was going to fail miserably, because it was underpowered, didn't have a blueray player, and because Micro$soft.

Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.

To turn a saying that is often used in these threads on its head, those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


yep, and microsoft just had their $599 moment

/only worse
 
2013-06-15 06:08:42 PM

kd8our: If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.


My games download from Steam faster than they do over the torrents...much faster. They have sales and all of my games are in one place (which can be convenient, like when I lost my HL2 discs).
 
2013-06-15 06:08:45 PM

EngineerAU: And yet somehow the PS4 and XB1 have spent the better part of the week flip flopping between the #1 and #2 spots on Amazon's sales chart for video games. It's almost as if they're going after the general public instead of a niche of self important hardcore gamers. They'll be much happier with a thousand customers that buy ten games and ten who buy a hundred games.

/Obviously scale those numbers into millions


Amazon is doing no money down preorders. I preorded 3 of each: If either is popular I'll pay for it and sell it on Craigslist around Christmas for a markup. If I can't sell it, Amazon offers free returns and I"m not out anything.
 
2013-06-15 06:09:56 PM

Elegy: Now that the XB1 is being released, it's going to fail miserably, because Micro$oft.


I'm really just observing all this but I don't think it's because of "Micro$oft".
 
2013-06-15 06:10:03 PM

Carth: Kahabut: Alonjar: Kahabut: Meanwhile, I'm over here with my computer, playing every good game in existence, on hardware I CONTROL, with software I OWN, with graphics FAR IN EXCESS of 1080p

Now im curious what resolution you're gaming at.

3 monitors, 1920x1280 each.  EvE shows some crazy resolution numbers I don't have on hand.  Granted, it's mostly horizontal.  But at the same time, no console on earth can even RUN EvE (or for that matter most of the games I play these days)

Ironically, 10 years ago it was one monitor, with over 2500x2500.  See what your 'HD' tv and gaming did to the display industry?  It literally set it back more than 10 years, while making the displays physically smaller, and less detailed.  (I know, it was really an agreement in the industry because the ongoing pixel war was killing the profits of the manufacturers, and also costing a lot for Hollywood to try and keep up with larger and larger display/details,  Hence the massive "it's HD" hype, when in fact HD is light years behind what computers were doing 10 years ago)

4k TVs will be the best thing to happen to video games in awhile. When console players expect at least 3840 × 2160 it will be a nice change. Even better when 8k starts to filter in.


Holy crap that's going to be mind-blowing.
 
2013-06-15 06:10:07 PM

ringersol: AdamK: "no 24 hr check needed"

The 24 hr check *is* a touch unnecessary. But the account tying is rather implicit in digital distribution.
They've basically got a 'Steam on Day 1' pitch at the moment. Discs have all the drawbacks of both, account bans kill purchases, no offline play to speak of, etc.

Valve got it right, eventually. So why not MS, eventually?

Either way, console gaming is going to look a lot more like MS's pitch than Sony's, long before this 'generation' is out.


k, lemme know when that happens, also lemme know when they reverse all the things i listed earlier in this thread, and when the machine is $99
 
2013-06-15 06:10:25 PM

EkimProx: People don't understand that you're never going to get amazing deals like you get on Steam without DRM. Beats the holy hell out of trading in The Last of Us for $30 tomorrow at GameStop so they'll sell it for $54. You want cheap games? You want to buy used games? If you have DRM then you can download them in the future for a fraction of the cost.


Keep earning that check, shill. You really think anyone's going to suddenly think, gee hes right, i should love the 24 check in that prevents me from using the Xboxone one in certain areas of the country?
 
2013-06-15 06:10:40 PM
Yes, let the rage fill you.
 
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