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(IGN)   A recent poll of over 280,000 gamers shows that 81% of respondents favored the PS4 over the Xbone. Micro$oft VP Phil Spencer countered with, "This isn't a sprint" while strains of Vader's Theme played in the background   (ign.com) divider line 330
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2013-06-15 02:50:08 PM
I made a video specifically about the XBone for my gaming channel.

http://youtu.be/JVGQpFCyVJs
 
2013-06-15 03:25:53 PM
Nerd rage is a terrible thing.  Me, I'm getting both, but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.
 
2013-06-15 03:38:58 PM
F*cking ridiculous.
 
2013-06-15 03:41:44 PM

Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75


Exactly how?
 
2013-06-15 03:46:41 PM
Well here is the latest copy of this thread.
Now I hate the required check in but where have people gotten the idea that if your x-box fails to check in the system will not return to normal functioning after an internet connection is restored?  Does anyone have a citation to that or is it just exaggeration that has become "truth".   I'll probably end up with both eventually unless XBone goes the way of the Dreamcast.

/MS is going in the direction gaming seems irrevocably headed towards.  We may not like it but we may not be able to stop the slide towards digital and licenses.  It's what the developers want in their heart of hearts (Saying so may not be the best public relations at the moment)  Hopefully MS will compromise with a potential alternate check on a disc and as long as you have the disc in the drive it will work...
/in 2002 broadband was in 12% of US homes... but Microsoft built a service that required it anyway.
 
2013-06-15 04:10:13 PM
If they nerf or ditch the "must check in" bit, I'm on board.

The ability to share your library (including DLC) with a friend has made loaning games easier. Your buddy wants to play Forza? He can play your copy without even acquiring the disc.
 
2013-06-15 04:20:11 PM

Saborlas: If they nerf or ditch the "must check in" bit, I'm on board


I think a nerf is more likely early on. (alternate authentication) As for when, that will depend.  Not that they won't have something prepared so if they reach a point that they plan on shutting down the authentication server they can eliminate the check.
 
2013-06-15 04:31:01 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?


For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.

Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.

I also look forward to using my Xbox to access TV and movies.  First game console with HDMI in, and there aren't even that many other devices (other than TVs, duh) that have that.  Both consoles do a pretty good job of streaming video from various sources, but between the HDMI in, TV integration (also works with Netflix, Hulu, etc) and voice control the One is a good bit more advanced than the PS.

MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.  Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.  They aren't really the same thing.

PC gamers have laughed at console gamers for relying on their console as the "server" to host a multiplayer match.  Xbox Live provides dedicated servers in Xbox Live now.  And they won't be shut down ruthlessly like EA tends to do for their older games.  You'll be able to continue playing.

An anonymous source (I know, grain of salt) who claims to be an Xbox engineer leaked info to NeoWin.  Among other hopeful things, he claims that MS is moving to a Steam-styled model of software distribution where games are less expensive.  Older games, especially.  Who needs a used game from Gamestop for $20 when Steam sells the downloadable version for $3?  It's a bold move.  Oddly enough, it was Sony who flirted with Steam, but it may be MS that makes it really work on consoles.

Anyway, look at the PS4.  Better specs than the PS3.  Added Gaikai streaming.  What else?  That's about it.
 
2013-06-15 04:35:01 PM
Microsoft really screwed the pooch with this one.  They've pissed off most segments of the gaming market.  I haven't seen this kind of outrage since...well...since EA's SimCity debacle.
 
2013-06-15 04:35:43 PM

Andyr2120: For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.


Voice control is an innovation now? it's been around for years. It's in the 360 right now. Where's the innovation there?

Andyr2120: I also look forward to using my Xbox to access TV and movies.


You can already do this.

Andyr2120: MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.  Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.  They aren't really the same thing


"More servers" isn't an innovation, neither is cloud computing.

Andyr2120: Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.


I've downloaded several games from the PSN. No disc required.

That's it? That's your innovation? Puhlease.
 
2013-06-15 04:42:06 PM
I enjoy taking my consoles up to the cabin, to parties, etc.  I can't do that with the Xbone because of the 24hr locking.

All that fancy TV stuff: I live in Canada and it won't work here.

Region Locking: Again, Canada, yay.

Steambox is set to release in 2014: Why do I even need an Xbone now?
 
2013-06-15 04:42:07 PM
Despite getting jumped on for saying this a previous last thread, I'll say it again: the direction MS is going with the XB1 makes a certain amount of sense.

Profit margins on the consoles themselves are pretty low. Steam has proven that gamers don't necessarily care about single use licenses, but developers do, perhaps providing more incentive for developer exclusives to the XB1. Also, XBL has steadily been improving over the past few years, and the XBLA ecosystem has been attracting smaller developers that are producing some fantastic games in the $20 or less range, most of them exclusives.

Out bluntly, if MS loses customers buying the consoles, but increases the amount each customer buys online, it's an increase in profit for them given tha profit margins on the consoles (low) to digital content (very high).

Every indication that we have from MS is that they will continue to expand their online offerings on XBL, and that they see this as the future of the console business, moreso than big box exclusives and brick-and-mortar retail. Hence the always on requirement.

On another note, if you do have an XBL account, Fable 3 is free this weekend and the Worms games are on sale. I highly recommend Worms: Revolution, it has provided me hours of entertainment and was well worth the purchase when I paid full price for it.
 
2013-06-15 04:43:35 PM
Lots of people wanted a Steam console.  This is a Steam console.

/the 24hour check-in thing is dumb and kind of a problem, though.
 
2013-06-15 04:44:02 PM
I can't wait for the PS4 to come out, because that is probably when I will buy a PS3.

/cheapskate
 
2013-06-15 04:44:44 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?


DRM.
 
2013-06-15 04:45:05 PM
Its funny to watch the neckbeards fighting over toys. My prediction: PS4 is the sales winner but the Xbox One still does better than the WiiU.
 
2013-06-15 04:45:44 PM

Andyr2120: Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.


I knew gamers were lazy but Jesus.

/outsider non-gamer looking in with amusement
//has a high powered PC if gaming ever becomes necessary
///and a PC can do other stuff!
 
2013-06-15 04:46:08 PM
If I can't barrow a game off a friend, pop it in my drive and play... not interested.  Sure, it's the same way with many PC games too, but it's gone too far.  If it takes just as much effort to play it on the PC, then I will play it on the PC.  Not even remotely interested this time.

/I don't need shiat to phone home either.
//Steam is about it for me, anything more and I am bootlegging it.  Even then some games I just play the patched version so I don't have to deal with random BS about discs and activations.
 
2013-06-15 04:48:21 PM
I asked this in another thread, but never got a response. Which is understandable given the wild argument that had broken out in there.

I recall reading that if the Kinect camera can't detect anything in front of it, then the entire system shuts down or won't start up. Is that accurate, or has it been debunked? My google-fu hasn't turned up a solid answer to that.
 
2013-06-15 04:48:25 PM

Andyr2120: cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?

For starters, Kinect 2.0 makes a mockery of PS Eye in every way, and the combo of gesture and voice commands actually becomes useful for the first time in a consumer device.  People say they don't want Kinect, but I am certain they will change their mind.  In this area, it seems like Sony is only making minimal attempts to even compete.

Second, I honestly look forward to playing without the need of changing discs.  Apparently, I still need to get off my ass and change the disc to play a PS4 game.

I also look forward to using my Xbox to access TV and movies.  First game console with HDMI in, and there aren't even that many other devices (other than TVs, duh) that have that.  Both consoles do a pretty good job of streaming video from various sources, but between the HDMI in, TV integration (also works with Netflix, Hulu, etc) and voice control the One is a good bit more advanced than the PS.

MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.  Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai.  They aren't really the same thing.

PC gamers have laughed at console gamers for relying on their console as the "server" to host a multiplayer match.  Xbox Live provides dedicated servers in Xbox Live now.  And they won't be shut down ruthlessly like EA tends to do for their older games.  You'll be able to continue playing.

An anonymous source (I know, grain of salt) who claims to be an Xbox engineer leaked info to NeoWin.  Among other hopeful things, he claims that MS is moving to a Steam-styled model of software distribution where games are less expensive.  Older games, especially.  Who needs a used game from Gamestop for $20 when Steam sells the downloadable version for $3?  It's a bold move.  Oddly enough, it w ...



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2013-06-15 04:48:32 PM
Another problem I have is with Kinect.

1. Using hand gestures to control a TV is stupid, as is voice command.  A remote is faster and more intuitive.
2. Always on, Always Watching, Always talking to the NSA courtesy of Prism.  (Put a book in front of it)
3. The Kinect needs a lot of real estate to work.  Like a huge open room.  I don't have that kind of space. Most gamers don't have that kind of space.
4. Kinect games historically suck.  Other then Dancing Han Solo, I have yet to see Kinect have a breakout game. It's a gadget.  It really gives nothing to most games.
 
2013-06-15 04:50:19 PM

Xythero: I can't wait for the PS4 to come out, because that is probably when I will buy a PS3.

/cheapskate


Heh. I said the same thing in another thread.
 
2013-06-15 04:51:20 PM
Andyr2120:

MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture.  This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud.

To give you credit, you at least qualify your totally absurd BS before you say it.
 
2013-06-15 04:52:51 PM
Being completely contemptuous of your customers isn't an effective business model???
 
2013-06-15 04:52:57 PM
The direction Microsoft is going with the Xbox isn't the future of gaming any more than Ow My Balls! is the future of television.  It's a self-parodying caricature of marketing department masturbation of what the future of gaming should be.  The only reason not to laugh at it outright is the hope that other consoles try to follow suit and the PC Master Race can regain utter dominance.
 
2013-06-15 04:53:00 PM
Evacuate, in our moment of triumph?
 
2013-06-15 04:53:48 PM
Andyr2120:

You're not fooling anyone, Ballmer.
 
2013-06-15 04:53:55 PM
cameroncrazy1984:

Voice control is an innovation now? it's been around for years. It's in the 360 right now. Where's the innovation there?


Yes, actually this is one of their biggest innovations.

It's not in the fact that it's voice command but that it's extremely advanced voice control.  It learns your voice and will only take commands from the voices it was told to listen to.  It can also tell when you're looking at it so it knows when you are talking to it and not someone else.  It can also isolate your voice out of a noisy room filled with other people, music and other noise in real time and play back just your voice and nothing else.

The Kinect 2 is really where most of the interesting tech advancements are coming from in the XBox one.   Gizmodo has a great walk through of the Kinect 2's tech that you should check out, it's hard not to walk away pretty impressed. It's basically the perfect spy camera.
 
2013-06-15 04:53:57 PM
PRISM alone should be reason enough to shun Xbone and it's always-on Kinect device...
 
2013-06-15 04:53:57 PM
How about a nice cup of who the fark cares for either of them.
 
2013-06-15 04:54:02 PM
Both consoles are completely sold out on all the online sites... Somebody likes that XB1.
 
2013-06-15 04:54:23 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?


It's slower, removes your first sale rights, AND is more expensive.

Win, Win, Win
 
2013-06-15 04:54:57 PM

slayer199: Microsoft really screwed the pooch with this one.  They've pissed off most segments of the gaming market.  I haven't seen this kind of outrage since...well...since EA's SimCity debacle.


Problem is the complaints came from an already purchased game. No one is even going to buy an XBone. Even if they evetntually fix it and do away with all the crap, most will have already bout a PS4.
 
2013-06-15 04:55:23 PM

Andyr2120: MS says they added 200,000 servers to their Xbox Live architecture. This may or may not be marketing noise, but they say they have enough computing power to give each One 3 to 4x its own CPU power in the cloud. Sony has nothing of the like, unless you count Gaikai. They aren't really the same thing.


I'll believe in the cloud computing claim when I see it actually happen, and not a moment before. Sim City made that claim too-

I'm sorry, the US bandwidth speeds are not, in ANY WAY, fast enough or dependable/widespread enough to make that something that can actually, viably, usefully be done, I do not thing.
 
2013-06-15 04:55:28 PM
Seriously, you're all cracking me up with this sh*t.

Do continue, it's incredibly amusing to watch. Now if only we could find a way to whip this demographic into such a frenzy about about something that actually mattered.
 
2013-06-15 04:56:12 PM
Counting in MS: 0, 360, one.

Counting in Sony: 1, 2, 3, 4...

//That is all.
 
2013-06-15 04:56:38 PM
Nefarious:
Now I hate the required check in but

But.. why would you fork over money for something with a main feature that you hate?  Are people really that brainwashed?
 
2013-06-15 04:56:38 PM
Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.
 
2013-06-15 04:56:58 PM

Astorix: How about a nice cup of who the fark cares for either of them.


I'm guessing you do, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered coming into the thread.  It's cute how you are trying to play Mr. Cool and uncaring, though.  Nice act.
 
2013-06-15 04:57:18 PM

dehehn: It can also tell when you're looking at it so it knows when you are talking to it and not someone else


So...an innovation that already exists on smartphones for a year when it comes out?

Yawn.
 
2013-06-15 04:57:55 PM
People don't understand that you're never going to get amazing deals like you get on Steam without DRM. Beats the holy hell out of trading in The Last of Us for $30 tomorrow at GameStop so they'll sell it for $54. You want cheap games? You want to buy used games? If you have DRM then you can download them in the future for a fraction of the cost.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:14 PM
I don't really care that much about PSeye/Kinect functionality on a gaming console, but I was actually kind of impressed by the PSeye demo I saw from E3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvpCdtjTrAo If you care to take a look. This is more tech demo than game, but funny to watch.

I didn't realize it was capable of tracking more than just the sensor on the controller. This incarnation seems to integrate some of the Kinect's visual recognition, but has the bonus of not being a necessity.

I've never liked Microsoft's consoles though. PS4 had my vote pretty early on. I don't even care about the PSN stuff. If I want to play a game online, its on my PC. I use my console for some single player/play with friends at home games. I've never even set up my PS3 online.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:23 PM

igorknowsall: Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.


It's okay to strike a balance between both, you know.  There's no requirement to do nothing but play video games.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:24 PM

igorknowsall: Last game console I owned was a Super Nintendo with over 200 games. One day I just went ... meh... put it down and haven't played a game since. Life just became so much more interesting once I started doing more physical things to entertain myself. Ya know ...like girls and all that.


Dude, you've never had fun till you've had a girl and a console at the same time.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:29 PM
X-Bone.

Heh. Heh, heh... Heh.

/count me in the 81%
 
2013-06-15 04:58:32 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Andyr2120: One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75

Exactly how?


if you get banned then your disc based games get banned too

and if you don't check in every 24 hours your games won't work

and you can't turn the box on from controller anymore, have to use kinect

and you can't unplug kinect

also all your 360 accessories won't work, even usb peripherals like those $$$ fanatec wheels made for forza (xbone usb not hid compliant)

also the system won't come with or use headset, must use kinect

also 3rd party media services are still behind a paywall (nobody else does this)

also the UI will still have ads

and microsoft rushed hardware production leading to larger chips with poor yields

and xbox marketplace policies that are anti-indie will still be continued

also if you're in the military, microsoft thinks you're an idiot

...

and more!
 
2013-06-15 04:59:24 PM
BECAUSE OURS IS DIGITAL
 
2013-06-15 04:59:30 PM
You know your console is in trouble when the only person defending it is doing so by stating the attractiveness of its non gameplaying abilities.

I dont give two flying farks about how much more advanced the Kinect is to move. Both are garbage and neither is effective at what each system is at its core, a device designed to let a gamer play games effectively. Comparing the consoles based off THAT level of superficiality is like comparing 2 competing toaster ovens that come with nipple clamps. sure one brand may have a more comfortable, rubber coated plastic nipple clamp versus the others' hard edged metal clamps, but neither is what im looking for in my toast procurement needs.
 
2013-06-15 05:00:08 PM
I'm interested in the Steam console, though.
 
2013-06-15 05:00:13 PM

Andyr2120: but the One is a hell of a lot more innovative than the PS3.75.


possibly as a whole, but from here it looks like the PS4 is more focused on being a games console than a "do everything and oh, yeah, you can also play games on it too" console.
 
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