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2013-06-15 11:34:27 AM
If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...
 
2013-06-15 11:39:52 AM
Dum dum dum dum dum dum.
 
2013-06-15 12:08:34 PM

xanadian: If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...


That's ok, plenty of parents on the other side have already yanked their kids out BECAUSE they had the audacity to allow gay youth to participate. Like this upstanding father:

msnbcmedia.msn.com

He was perfectly content with making his kid cry to try and make a political statement. He didn't even tell his son why they left, only that the BSA wasn't "honoring their own law."

Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."
 
2013-06-15 12:10:16 PM

scottydoesntknow: Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."


What is a God to a nonbeliever?
 
2013-06-15 12:24:29 PM
He's even wearing a brown shirt.

Sieg heil!

msnbcmedia.msn.com
 
2013-06-15 12:33:24 PM

hardinparamedic: scottydoesntknow: Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."

What is a God to a nonbeliever?


Santa Claus?

Although Santa gives you things you can actually use.
 
2013-06-15 12:52:41 PM
FTFA"It has always been BSA's policy that no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," the letter said. "You and others are welcome to participate in the parade as supportive citizens but not as uniformed members of the BSA."


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WINNETKA, ILLINOIS - JULY 4: A troop of Boy Scouts marches in a Fourth of July Parade on July 4, 2007 with unidentified spectators in the background in WINNETKA, ILLINOIS.
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Cub Scout Pack 34 sponsored by Grace-St. Luke's Episcopal Church has had a very busy summer.  Pack 34 family members started the summer with a service project at the National Cemetery helping to place flags on the graves of our veterans for Memorial Day.

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Burlington's Boy Scout Troop 103 Marches in July 4th Parade, 2011.
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Hypocrites, much?
 
2013-06-15 01:25:41 PM
Actually, I'm proud of these people for standing up for WHAT IS RIGHT and keeping the scourge of homosexuality from tainting their children. It is a 100% scientific fact that all gays molest children and are pedophiles, and the bible - which scientists AGREE is the undisputed historical fact - even says that homosexuality is an unnatural abomination. Do you know what those gays do? They stick it where you poop from! No God-fearing, heterosexual Christian of God would ever do that kind of thing with their wife!

Only by voting Republican can we get rid of these godless, satan-worshipping fiends. God Bless America!
 
2013-06-15 01:33:59 PM

Somacandra: FTFA:  "It has always been BSA's policy that no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," the letter said. "You and others are welcome to participate in the parade as supportive citizens but not as uniformed members of the BSA."


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WINNETKA, ILLINOIS - JULY 4: A troop of Boy Scouts marches in a Fourth of July Parade on July 4, 2007 with unidentified spectators in the background in WINNETKA, ILLINOIS.
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Cub Scout Pack 34 sponsored by Grace-St. Luke's Episcopal Church has had a very busy summer.  Pack 34 family members started the summer with a service project at the National Cemetery helping to place flags on the graves of our veterans for Memorial Day.

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Burlington's Boy Scout Troop 103 Marches in July 4th Parade, 2011.
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Hypocrites, much?


I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political.  Patriotism != political bias.
 
2013-06-15 02:24:35 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political.  Patriotism != political bias.


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Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States.  The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.
 
2013-06-15 02:43:57 PM
Can Nazis wear their outfits in the gay pride parade?
 
2013-06-15 02:50:36 PM
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The Boy Scouts demonstrate GOP family values at the Romney rally in Manchester.

http://www.theawl.com/2012/11/the-new-old-ground-game-in-new-hampshi re
 
2013-06-15 02:51:11 PM

EkimProx: Can Nazis wear their outfits in the gay pride parade?


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"Sure - that fits with our traditions just fine."
 
2013-06-15 02:54:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: xanadian: If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...

That's ok, plenty of parents on the other side have already yanked their kids out BECAUSE they had the audacity to allow gay youth to participate. Like this upstanding father:

msnbcmedia.msn.com

He was perfectly content with making his kid cry to try and make a political statement. He didn't even tell his son why they left, only that the BSA wasn't "honoring their own law."

Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."


Is that a gay dad with his cub scout son, or an angry straight dad that is angry the BSA now allows gays? It's so hard to tell by looking these days, you know?
 
2013-06-15 02:54:27 PM

EkimProx: Can Nazis wear their outfits in the gay pride parade?


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Only if they're surf nazis.
 
2013-06-15 02:56:36 PM

Somacandra: FTFA:  "It has always been BSA's policy that no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," the letter said. "You and others are welcome to participate in the parade as supportive citizens but not as uniformed members of the BSA."



WINNETKA, ILLINOIS - JULY 4: A troop of Boy Scouts marches in a Fourth of July Parade on July 4, 2007 with unidentified spectators in the background in WINNETKA, ILLINOIS.


Cub Scout Pack 34 sponsored by Grace-St. Luke's Episcopal Church has had a very busy summer.  Pack 34 family members started the summer with a service project at the National Cemetery helping to place flags on the graves of our veterans for Memorial Day.



Burlington's Boy Scout Troop 103 Marches in July 4th Parade, 2011.
==

Hypocrites, much?


Probably meant "social agenda that we don't like." Some people stop talking before they've finished saying what they mean, or they'll just create double standards as they see fit.
 
2013-06-15 02:57:29 PM

hardinparamedic: scottydoesntknow: Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."

What is a God to a nonbeliever?


A crutch.
 
2013-06-15 02:59:27 PM

Somacandra: TuteTibiImperes: I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political.  Patriotism != political bias.

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Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States.  The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.


So Independence Day is political because in our past various minorities were oppressed/enslaved in the US?  That's taking a pretty big leap IMO.  Part of the Boy Scout Oath is duty to country, which implies some degree of patriotism.

The celebration of Independence Day and the honoring of veterans aren't contentious political issues, and like I mentioned, I'd hesitate to consider the issue of Independence Day to be a political issue at all (in terms of veterans, particularly vehement anti-war activists may feel that serving in the military is not an honorable action, but most of those people would be considered on the fringe today).

What it all comes down to is that neither celebrating Independence Day nor honoring veterans would be interpreted by any rational person as promoting a political agenda.  To be fair, I wouldn't consider marching in a gay pride parade to be promoting a political agenda either.  Basic human rights and equality aren't inherently political.
 
2013-06-15 02:59:48 PM

Stone Meadow: Is that a gay dad with his cub scout son, or an angry straight dad that is angry the BSA now allows gays? It's so hard to tell by looking these days, you know?


Angry, bigoted straight guy.  You can tell from the Twins cap.
 
2013-06-15 03:00:22 PM

xanadian: If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...


Enjoy the privilege; we atheists remain out in the cold.
 
2013-06-15 03:00:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: TuteTibiImperes: I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political.  Patriotism != political bias.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 240x345]

Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States.  The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.

So Independence Day is political because in our past various minorities were oppressed/enslaved in the US?  That's taking a pretty big leap IMO.  Part of the Boy Scout Oath is duty to country, which implies some degree of patriotism.

The celebration of Independence Day and the honoring of veterans aren't contentious political issues, and like I mentioned, I'd hesitate to consider the issue of Independence Day to be a political issue at all (in terms of veterans, particularly vehement anti-war activists may feel that serving in the military is not an honorable action, but most of those people would be considered on the fringe today).

What it all comes down to is that neither celebrating Independence Day nor honoring veterans would be interpreted by any rational person as promoting a political agenda.  To be fair, I wouldn't consider marching in a gay pride parade to be promoting a political agenda either.  Basic human rights and equality aren't inherently political.


Sooooo... what about the pic up above that shows them at a GOP Rally?  Care to white knight that one?
 
2013-06-15 03:02:11 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Basic human rights and equality aren't inherently political.


Until they are achieved, human rights and equality are inextricably intertwined with politics.
 
2013-06-15 03:02:53 PM
Sorry BM, I quoted from your post but was replying to TT.
 
2013-06-15 03:04:13 PM
It's like Fantasy Football and an HOA gang banged a Homebrewing Association and the result was a Boyscout Council.
 
2013-06-15 03:05:14 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Stone Meadow: Is that a gay dad with his cub scout son, or an angry straight dad that is angry the BSA now allows gays? It's so hard to tell by looking these days, you know?

Angry, bigoted straight guy.  You can tell from the Twins cap.


Oh, of course! And here I was thinking that cap might be a sekrit gay scout symbol.
 
2013-06-15 03:05:18 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: TuteTibiImperes: I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political.  Patriotism != political bias.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 240x345]

Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States.  The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.

So Independence Day is political because in our past various minorities were oppressed/enslaved in the US?  That's taking a pretty big leap IMO.  Part of the Boy Scout Oath is duty to country, which implies some degree of patriotism.

The celebration of Independence Day and the honoring of veterans aren't contentious political issues, and like I mentioned, I'd hesitate to consider the issue of Independence Day to be a political issue at all (in terms of veterans, particularly vehement anti-war activists may feel that serving in the military is not an honorable action, but most of those people would be considered on the fringe today).

What it all comes down to is that neither celebrating Independence Day nor honoring veterans would be interpreted by any rational person as promoting a political agenda.  To be fair, I wouldn't consider marching in a gay pride parade to be promoting a political agenda either.  Basic human rights and equality aren't inherently political.

Sooooo... what about the pic up above that shows them at a GOP Rally?  Care to white knight that one?


Nope, that's clearly a political event, I don't support that at all.
 
2013-06-15 03:07:11 PM
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OooooooOOOooooo.
 
2013-06-15 03:11:40 PM
Excuse me, Mr. Bigot. If teh gheys are so terrible, why is your kid is wearing a "bear pride" symbol?


msnbcmedia.msn.com
www.sevenbros.com
 
2013-06-15 03:11:50 PM
"no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," "
St patricks day.
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Accepting donations from NRA
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Easter Parade   farm4.staticflickr.com

RNC Colorguard.
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Puerto Rican Day parade.
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So exactly which social agendas are they objecting to here??
 
2013-06-15 03:12:51 PM
Boy Scout Council: You are NOT going to wear your uniforms in the Gay Pride Parade. Scouts: asphinctersayswhat?

Whatever a boy scout's sphincter says, it says it a much deeper tone of voice after the gay parade has pride it open.
 
2013-06-15 03:14:55 PM

hardinparamedic: Actually, I'm proud of these people for standing up for WHAT IS RIGHT and keeping the scourge of homosexuality from tainting their children. It is a 100% scientific fact that all gays molest children and are pedophiles, and the bible - which scientists AGREE is the undisputed historical fact - even says that homosexuality is an unnatural abomination. Do you know what those gays do? They stick it where you poop from! No God-fearing, heterosexual Christian of God would ever do that kind of thing with their wife!

Only by voting Republican can we get rid of these godless, satan-worshipping fiends. God Bless America!


Don't forget that their ruining the soil by building landing strips for gay martians.

That's why I like you, Stuart.  You're not like other people here in the trailer park.
 
2013-06-15 03:16:27 PM
"Hi, would your organization like to be in our community parade?"

"Sure, what is it for?"

"Celebrating GLBT achievements and pride."

"OK"

See, that's not a political demonstration. Now here is a political demonstration:

"What is it for?"

"We're marching in support of the repeal of Prop 8 and DOMA"

"Sorry, we can't participate in overtly political events. "

See how that works?
 
2013-06-15 03:20:21 PM

Glitchwerks: hardinparamedic: Actually, I'm proud of these people for standing up for WHAT IS RIGHT and keeping the scourge of homosexuality from tainting their children. It is a 100% scientific fact that all gays molest children and are pedophiles, and the bible - which scientists AGREE is the undisputed historical fact - even says that homosexuality is an unnatural abomination. Do you know what those gays do? They stick it where you poop from! No God-fearing, heterosexual Christian of God would ever do that kind of thing with their wife!

Only by voting Republican can we get rid of these godless, satan-worshipping fiends. God Bless America!

Don't forget that their ruining the soil by building landing strips for gay martians.

That's why I like you, Stuart.  You're not like other people here in the trailer park.


it said Salt Lake City, not Des Moines, Iowa . .. i think this is more about an anti-Mormon Church protest.
 
2013-06-15 03:21:01 PM

scottydoesntknow: xanadian: If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...

That's ok, plenty of parents on the other side have already yanked their kids out BECAUSE they had the audacity to allow gay youth to participate. Like this upstanding father:



He was perfectly content with making his kid cry to try and make a political statement. He didn't even tell his son why they left, only that the BSA wasn't "honoring their own law."

Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."


I hate stupid people!
 
2013-06-15 03:21:28 PM
We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.
 
PKY
2013-06-15 03:21:56 PM
Kids marching in Hitler Jugend dresses, Kids learning survivalist theories, Strange grown-ups who wants to spend time with kids. Being gay is like only the fifth most offensive thing going on there.
 
2013-06-15 03:23:23 PM

bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.


9/10.  Should not have mentioned that you're not a troll, thats a giveaway.
 
2013-06-15 03:23:27 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: "no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," "
St patricks day.
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Accepting donations from NRA
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Easter Parade   [farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]

RNC Colorguard.
[images.huffingtonpost.com image 500x333]
Puerto Rican Day parade.
[famousankles.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 850x554]


So exactly which social agendas are they objecting to here??


Celebrating Irish or Puerto Rican heritage isn't exactly an agenda, other than the support of diversity which isn't a contentious issue - diversity is a good thing and one of the things our country was founded on.

The Boy Scouts have never shied away from their connection with religion, and God is mentioned in the Boy Scout Oath.  It does not, however, strictly define itself to Christianity.  In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members.  A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

The RNC color-guard aspect however seems to violate the thing about not advocating a political agenda.
 
2013-06-15 03:24:19 PM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/342262
Ill just leave this here...
 
2013-06-15 03:24:47 PM
The really sad thing is that the kids I have worked with since Tigers and going to Eagle Scout don't care. Another generation and this would be a non-issue.
 
2013-06-15 03:27:04 PM
Isn't there a homo scouting org?  (Besides NAMBLA)
 
2013-06-15 03:28:55 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Unknown_Poltroon: "no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," "
St patricks day.
[ww1.hdnux.com image 628x418]
Accepting donations from NRA
[www.nrablog.com image 620x400]

Easter Parade   [farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]

RNC Colorguard.
[images.huffingtonpost.com image 500x333]
Puerto Rican Day parade.
[famousankles.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 850x554]


So exactly which social agendas are they objecting to here??

Celebrating Irish or Puerto Rican heritage isn't exactly an agenda, other than the support of diversity which isn't a contentious issue - diversity is a good thing and one of the things our country was founded on.

The Boy Scouts have never shied away from their connection with religion, and God is mentioned in the Boy Scout Oath.  It does not, however, strictly define itself to Christianity.  In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members.  A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

The RNC color-guard aspect however seems to violate the thing about not advocating a political agenda.



I would tend to agree, however, they cant pick and choose they're parades if they're going to start spouting of about not supporting agendas.

 In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members.  A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

And now they're welcoming of gay scouts, so its time to STFU about the gay pride parade, or stop marching in any parade that mentions religion or ethnicity.  After all, these guys were only showing support for other scouts by marching.
 
2013-06-15 03:30:35 PM

bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.


You're not a troll, you're a moran.

Are all straight people paedophiles?
Why are all gays?

/Not gay (nttawwt).
 
2013-06-15 03:32:49 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: I would tend to agree, however, they cant pick and choose they're parades if they're going to start spouting of about not supporting agendas.


Really? Because that's exactly what they're doing.
 
2013-06-15 03:32:50 PM
What exactly is in this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? Something like this?

Post Office √
Grocery shopping √
Pick up laundry at the cleaners √
Make cookies for the Church of Satan bake sale √
Teach Boy Scouts that teh gheys aren't scum
Seduce straight men into a life of sin by proposing marriage
 
2013-06-15 03:33:31 PM

bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.


Living up to your fark handle, I see. Oh, and I'm old enough that for my entire scouting experience (7 years back in the 60's) the BSA were officially racially segregated. That's right, local councils had the right to ban blacks, Asians, Jews, whomever they didn't want...just like now with gays. It wasn't until 1974 that the BSA officially integrated by changing their bylaws to prohibit racial segregation.
 
2013-06-15 03:33:36 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: TuteTibiImperes: Unknown_Poltroon: "no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," "
St patricks day.
[ww1.hdnux.com image 628x418]
Accepting donations from NRA
[www.nrablog.com image 620x400]

Easter Parade   [farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]

RNC Colorguard.
[images.huffingtonpost.com image 500x333]
Puerto Rican Day parade.
[famousankles.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 850x554]


So exactly which social agendas are they objecting to here??

Celebrating Irish or Puerto Rican heritage isn't exactly an agenda, other than the support of diversity which isn't a contentious issue - diversity is a good thing and one of the things our country was founded on.

The Boy Scouts have never shied away from their connection with religion, and God is mentioned in the Boy Scout Oath.  It does not, however, strictly define itself to Christianity.  In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members.  A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

The RNC color-guard aspect however seems to violate the thing about not advocating a political agenda.


I would tend to agree, however, they cant pick and choose they're parades if they're going to start spouting of about not supporting agendas.

 In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members.  A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

And now they're welcoming of gay scouts, so its time to STFU about the gay pride parade, or stop marching in any parade that mentions religion or ethnicity.  After all, these guys were only showing support for other scouts by marching.


I agree with you, I have no issue with them marching in a gay pride parade.
 
2013-06-15 03:34:03 PM

gerbilpox: What exactly is in this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? Something like this?

Post Office √
Grocery shopping √
Pick up laundry at the cleaners √
Make cookies for the Church of Satan bake sale √
Teach Boy Scouts that teh gheys aren't scum
Seduce straight men into a life of sin by proposing marriage


image7.spreadshirt.com
 
2013-06-15 03:35:07 PM

bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.


The last two sentences gave me the impression that you were going to kill yourself.

I just wanted you to know: good luck, we're all counting on you.

/down the alley
//not across the street
 
2013-06-15 03:36:38 PM

bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.


At least you named yourself well bigstoopidbruce. I don't know how big you are but you are certainly stupid if you believe any of what you wrote (wouldn't have responded but since you say you aren't a troll and really believe that stuff), YOU are what is wrong with America.
 
2013-06-15 03:39:21 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: 9/10. Should not have mentioned that you're not a troll, thats a giveaway.


I say this with all due respect, but this is clearly a 9.25/10 based on subsequent replies.
 
2013-06-15 03:39:45 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: TuteTibiImperes: I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political.  Patriotism != political bias.

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Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States.  The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.

So Independence Day is political because in our past various minorities were oppressed/enslaved in the US?  That's taking a pretty big leap IMO.  Part of the Boy Scout Oath is duty to country, which implies some degree of patriotism.

The celebration of Independence Day and the honoring of veterans aren't contentious political issues, and like I mentioned, I'd hesitate to consider the issue of Independence Day to be a political issue at all (in terms of veterans, particularly vehement anti-war activists may feel that serving in the military is not an honorable action, but most of those people would be considered on the fringe today).

What it all comes down to is that neither celebrating Independence Day nor honoring veterans would be interpreted by any rational person as promoting a political agenda.  To be fair, I wouldn't consider marching in a gay pride parade to be promoting a political agenda either.  Basic human rights and equality aren't inherently political.


Gay pride parade, where old farts prance about in leather or spandex and demonstrate how sick in the head they are. We need to study them and finally find a cure for these sad sick people
 
2013-06-15 03:41:13 PM
From TFA:

Whitaker and others said they were not advancing a "political" agenda but celebrating a "cultural" event, not unlike the Days of '47 Parade that honors Utah pioneers annually on July 24 and often includes Boy Scouts in uniform.

"We weren't rallying for a politician or political event," Whitaker said. "To me, it was being supportive of my fellow human beings."

The men refused to sign the apology letter, which warned them a similar future offense could lead to the revocation of their Scouting membership.

Whitaker and others wore their Boy Scout uniforms, which Rick Barnes, Scout executive of the council, had warned them would be in violation of BSA policy.

"We were very disappointed that you used Scouting to advance the gay agenda at the Utah Pride Parade on Sunday in Salt Lake City," Barnes and Council President Bry Davis wrote to Brownstein.


If not wanting LGBT people to be treated like human beings and to enjoy the same rights that should be available to all citizens, just what do Rick Barnes and Bry Davis think the "gay agenda" is? Are they afraid those tiny short pants that are part of the official scoutmaster uniform are going to get men aroused?
 
2013-06-15 03:41:39 PM
If boy scouts are allowed to be openly gay and march in parades, who will the leaders of the mormon cult sexually abuse?

I mean if gay kids think it's ok to be who they are, how will they know to hide the fact that Mr. Stake president likes tent nooky?
 
2013-06-15 03:42:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: xanadian: If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...

That's ok, plenty of parents on the other side have already yanked their kids out BECAUSE they had the audacity to allow gay youth to participate. Like this upstanding father:

[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x421]

He was perfectly content with making his kid cry to try and make a political statement. He didn't even tell his son why they left, only that the BSA wasn't "honoring their own law."

Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."


Good lord. Look at the hatred in that kid's eyes... sad.
 
2013-06-15 03:43:24 PM

my lip balm addiction: bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.

At least you named yourself well bigstoopidbruce. I don't know how big you are but you are certainly stupid if you believe any of what you wrote (wouldn't have responded but since you say you aren't a troll and really believe that stuff), YOU are what is wrong with America.


'cause no "straight" scout master ever diddled a kid in a tent.
 
2013-06-15 03:45:12 PM
FTFA:


This week, officials with the Great Salt Lake Council called the two men in, pointed out a photo published by The Salt Lake Tribune showing Whitaker at the parade and told them both to sign an apology for "violation of (Boys Scouts of America) policies and disobedience."
That sounds like a move out of the Scientology play book. Now they just need a re-education labor camp.
 
2013-06-15 03:46:02 PM

bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.




There should have been some mention of communism in this post. As for the rest of it, congratulations on your bigotry and hatred!

'98 Homosexual-Recruitment Drive Nearing Goal

"Thanks to the tireless efforts of our missionaries nationwide, in the first seven months of 1998, nearly 300,000 heterosexuals were ensnared in the Pink Triangle," said NGLRTF co-director Patricia Emmonds. "Clearly, the activist homosexual lobby is winning."

Emmonds credited much of the recruiting success to the gay lobby's infiltration of America's public schools, where programs promoting the homosexual lifestyle are regularly presented to children as young as 5.

"It's crucial that we reach these kids while they're still young," Emmonds said. "That's when they're most vulnerable to our message of sexual promiscuity and deviance."

"When I grow up, I want to be gay," said Christopher Linn, 8, a second-grader at Philadelphia's Lakeside Elementary School, one of thousands of public schools nationwide that actively promote the homosexual agenda. "I don't want to have a family or go to church."
 
2013-06-15 03:46:06 PM

hardinparamedic: Actually, I'm proud of these people for standing up for WHAT IS RIGHT and keeping the scourge of homosexuality from tainting their children. It is a 100% scientific fact that all gays molest children and are pedophiles, and the bible - which scientists AGREE is the undisputed historical fact - even says that homosexuality is an unnatural abomination. Do you know what those gays do? They stick it where you poop from! No God-fearing, heterosexual Christian of God would ever do that kind of thing with their wife!

Only by voting Republican can we get rid of these godless, satan-worshipping fiends. God Bless America!


Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".
 
2013-06-15 03:46:48 PM
It reminds me of the joke that was said about Baden-Powell, the founder of the Boy Scouts: "the onky thing that was straight about him was him tombstone."
 
2013-06-15 03:49:36 PM

italie: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/342262
Ill just leave this here..


[Pat Robertson: Boy Scouts 'Torn Up' For Gay Kids Who Want To 'Do Sex' With Each Other]

Ah, that brings back memories...
 
2013-06-15 03:49:54 PM

I Like Shiny Things: Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".


Oh God. I'm being countertrolled.
 
2013-06-15 03:52:56 PM

bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.


First class troll!

10/10
 
2013-06-15 03:53:36 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Gay pride parade, where old farts prance about in leather or spandex and demonstrate how sick in the head they are. We need to study them and finally find a cure for these sad sick people


If only we'd study it out, we could convert all those frilly prancing queens into pinnacles of masculinity like the following:
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i1243.photobucket.com
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-15 03:56:17 PM
I was a scout leader for a couple of years.  My son and I dropped out because we had to affirm a faith in a higher power, as I recall.  I'm a little fuzzy on the details now, but I wasn't aboput to let him stand up there and lie with the rest of the scouts who had no idea what they were doing.

I still have the scout masters shirt, though, and I think I'll wear it to the next gay pride parade in my area.
 
2013-06-15 04:01:30 PM

gerbilpox: What exactly is in this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? Something like this?

Post Office √
Grocery shopping √
Pick up laundry at the cleaners √
Make cookies for the Church of Satan bake sale √
Teach Boy Scouts that teh gheys aren't scum
Seduce straight men into a life of sin by proposing marriage


My gay agenda today is pretty much a 14 hour workday with a couple breaks for food, then sleep, then back to work for another 10 tomorrow. As best I can tell, the anti-gay agenda people are mad at me for working hard to pay off my student loans.

/seriously though, the people who use the term "gay agenda" are thinking about gay sex more than actual gay people.
 
2013-06-15 04:06:03 PM

hardinparamedic: I Like Shiny Things: Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".

Oh God. I'm being countertrolled.


You typed 'countertrolled' when you meant 'corrected'.

Its 4pm on a Saturday. I could go to any bus station or subway and have my dick sucked by a homo and it would probably take about an hour, including round trip drive.

Could a straight person accomplish this? You think I could go to these same places and find some woman (fat, ugly, diseased...I'm not picky) to do the same thing?

I'd really like a serious answer to that.
 
2013-06-15 04:13:23 PM
What?
 
2013-06-15 04:13:56 PM
"Dear Sam..." "Dear Sissy..."
 
2013-06-15 04:14:53 PM

I Like Shiny Things: hardinparamedic: I Like Shiny Things: Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".

Oh God. I'm being countertrolled.

You typed 'countertrolled' when you meant 'corrected'.

Its 4pm on a Saturday. I could go to any bus station or subway and have my dick sucked by a homo and it would probably take about an hour, including round trip drive.

Could a straight person accomplish this? You think I could go to these same places and find some woman (fat, ugly, diseased...I'm not picky) to do the same thing?

I'd really like a serious answer to that.


I believe you're either overestimating your appeal to homosexual men, or you've confused gay men with gay male prostitutes.
 
PKY
2013-06-15 04:17:42 PM
Any homosexual man can find a sex-partner for a lunch-orgy with Grinder within 3 minutes.
 
2013-06-15 04:18:34 PM
Excuse me if I boil the gay bashing situation down to a simple idea. I am straight but I have gay friends, great people who most deservedly should be, and are, an integral part of decent society.  I know that nothing influenced them to "become" gay as they grew up, but possibly some pre-natal aberration. DNA damage, faulty wiring in the brain, I don't know. I'll leave that to the scientists.  But as they exist on one side, it seems that there is always extreme vitriol from some non-gays. Extreme to the point of vicious assaults sometimes leading to murder.  Can this behavior be also be a result of nature trying to balance itself out? A biological teeter-totter?  Not condoning the bullying. Just my musings.
 
2013-06-15 04:18:39 PM

bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.


You sound Catholicy.
 
2013-06-15 04:19:56 PM
I can't take anyone seriously if they use a patently absurd term like "gay agenda" to make an argument. I just don't have the patience anymore.

Enjoy being laughed at and ridiculed in the history books and by future generations.
 
2013-06-15 04:23:07 PM

Krieghund: gerbilpox: What exactly is in this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? Something like this?

[image7.spreadshirt.com image 378x378]


Damn it.  I'm an atheist, so I can't be a Boy Scout, and I'm lactose intolerant, so I can't be gay.  WTF am I supposed to do now?
 
2013-06-15 04:26:21 PM

JakeStone: Krieghund: gerbilpox: What exactly is in this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? Something like this?

[image7.spreadshirt.com image 378x378]

Damn it.  I'm an atheist, so I can't be a Boy Scout, and I'm lactose intolerant, so I can't be gay.  WTF am I supposed to do now?


Join the Junior Woodchucks.

/there's a stranger out to find you
 
2013-06-15 04:29:15 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.

9/10.  Should not have mentioned that you're not a troll, thats a giveaway.


THIS
 
2013-06-15 04:32:01 PM
Two more parades and they'll get their Rainbow Badges
 
2013-06-15 04:33:53 PM

Fano: JakeStone: Krieghund: gerbilpox: What exactly is in this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? Something like this?

[image7.spreadshirt.com image 378x378]

Damn it.  I'm an atheist, so I can't be a Boy Scout, and I'm lactose intolerant, so I can't be gay.  WTF am I supposed to do now?

Join the Junior Woodchucks.

/there's a stranger out to find you


Whoo-ooo!
 
2013-06-15 04:35:03 PM
What are they supposed to pin their new Twink badges to?
 
2013-06-15 04:37:26 PM

I Like Shiny Things: hardinparamedic: I Like Shiny Things: Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".

Oh God. I'm being countertrolled.

You typed 'countertrolled' when you meant 'corrected'.

Its 4pm on a Saturday. I could go to any bus station or subway and have my dick sucked by a homo and it would probably take about an hour, including round trip drive.

Could a straight person accomplish this? You think I could go to these same places and find some woman (fat, ugly, diseased...I'm not picky) to do the same thing?

I'd really like a serious answer to that.


Yes, but probably not at the bus station or the subway. Try Wal-Mart or the 7-Eleven.
 
2013-06-15 04:38:44 PM

HAMMERTOE: What are they supposed to pin their new Twink badges to?


They don't have to pin them on because they're nipple pasties.
 
2013-06-15 04:46:53 PM

HAMMERTOE: What are they supposed to pin their new Twink badges to?


The broken dreams of sobbing Baptists.The longstanding tradition of tradition of excluding gay children (since 2006) has ruined the entire Scouting program (in the USA).
 
2013-06-15 04:51:44 PM
History is going to look a lot more kindly on the Scouts who marched than on the big wigs who complained about it.
 
2013-06-15 05:00:56 PM

obamadidcoke: my lip balm addiction: bigstoopidbruce: We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming.  But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting.  They're all leaving.  And I don't blame them.  The BSA have made a serious mistake.  They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods.  They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters.  This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended.  I don't care what you think.  I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys.  I leave you all to your fate.

At least you named yourself well bigstoopidbruce. I don't know how big you are but you are certainly stupid if you believe any of what you wrote (wouldn't have responded but since you say you aren't a troll and really believe that stuff), YOU are what is wrong with America.

'cause no "straight" scout master ever diddled a kid in a tent.


I'll bet you good money that any "straight" scout master who diddled a kid in a tent never once called himself gay. Conservative assholes like that don;t like the G word - they just "made a mistake". Or something.

/Either way you come off as ignorant
 
2013-06-15 05:01:06 PM
The more an organization is homophobic, the more I assume it has members that want to molest kids. I know there are some good scout masters out there, but if I had a young son, I would feel more comfortable leaving him alone in the care of a gay atheist drag queen than I would a homophobic scout leader or a homophobic priest.

I know they think they're coming across as moral by going on about how terrible gays are, but all this noise tells me is that I should never trust these people to be alone with kids. No matter how loud they shout about what perverts some other group is, it doesn't fool me into not noticing how many of them kiddy diddlers, which is what I'm sure they're hoping it does.
 
2013-06-15 05:04:27 PM

Walter Paisley: I Like Shiny Things: hardinparamedic: I Like Shiny Things: Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".

Oh God. I'm being countertrolled.

You typed 'countertrolled' when you meant 'corrected'.

Its 4pm on a Saturday. I could go to any bus station or subway and have my dick sucked by a homo and it would probably take about an hour, including round trip drive.

Could a straight person accomplish this? You think I could go to these same places and find some woman (fat, ugly, diseased...I'm not picky) to do the same thing?

I'd really like a serious answer to that.

Yes, but probably not at the bus station or the subway. Try Wal-Mart or the 7-Eleven.


You are talking about prostitution...you obviously have no idea how the gay community works, because you are straight?

That was kind of my entire point, and its also the point that some of these Boy Scout leaders are trying to make.

Since you aren't very bright, I'll keep it simple for you:

I can go to any of the places mentioned above and get my cock sucked for free. Gay sex. Free. always, anywhere, anytime.

Like the someone above mentioned, 'There's an app for that!'.

If I wanted straight sex from a woman, I'd have to put a bit of effort into it, or pay. Not much effort, since I'm pretty studly and I just got back from the gym about 26 minutes ago, but it still takes a bit of work.
 
2013-06-15 05:17:18 PM

I Like Shiny Things: Walter Paisley: I Like Shiny Things: hardinparamedic: I Like Shiny Things: Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".

Oh God. I'm being countertrolled.

You typed 'countertrolled' when you meant 'corrected'.

Its 4pm on a Saturday. I could go to any bus station or subway and have my dick sucked by a homo and it would probably take about an hour, including round trip drive.

Could a straight person accomplish this? You think I could go to these same places and find some woman (fat, ugly, diseased...I'm not picky) to do the same thing?

I'd really like a serious answer to that.

Yes, but probably not at the bus station or the subway. Try Wal-Mart or the 7-Eleven.

You are talking about prostitution...you obviously have no idea how the gay community works, because you are straight?

That was kind of my entire point, and its also the point that some of these Boy Scout leaders are trying to make.

Since you aren't very bright, I'll keep it simple for you:

I can go to any of the places mentioned above and get my cock sucked for free. Gay sex. Free. always, anywhere, anytime.

Like the someone above mentioned, 'There's an app for that!'.

If I wanted straight sex from a woman, I'd have to put a bit of effort into it, or pay. Not much effort, since I'm pretty studly and I just got back from the gym about 26 minutes ago, but it still takes a bit of work.


I Like Shiny Things: Walter Paisley: I Like Shiny Things: hardinparamedic: I Like Shiny Things: Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".

Oh God. I'm being countertrolled.

You typed 'countertrolled' when you meant 'corrected'.

Its 4pm on a Saturday. I could go to any bus station or subway and have my dick sucked by a homo and it would probably take about an hour, including round trip drive.

Could a straight person accomplish this? You think I could go to these same places and find some woman (fat, ugly, diseased...I'm not picky) to do the same thing?

I'd really like a serious answer to that.

Yes, but probably not at the bus station or the subway. Try Wal-Mart or the 7-Eleven.

You are talking about prostitution...you obviously have no idea how the gay community works, because you are straight?

That was kind of my entire point, and its also the point that some of these Boy Scout leaders are trying to make.

Since you aren't very bright, I'll keep it simple for you:

I can go to any of the places mentioned above and get my cock sucked for free. Gay sex. Free. always, anywhere, anytime.

Like the someone above mentioned, 'There's an app for that!'.

If I wanted straight sex from a woman, I'd have to put a bit of effort into it, or pay. Not much effort, since I'm pretty studly and I just got back from the gym about 26 minutes ago, but it still takes a bit of work.


I wasn't referring to prostitution, I was responding to the part of your question that I have now bolded for emphasis. Hetero guys, no matter if they're ugly, fat, socially awkward, etc... still probably won't have too difficult of a time finding a sexual partner if their standards aren't all that high. My statement was referring to being at a high-traffic business where one would likely find a consider number of women who might be just as desperate as men are. I've even known guys who met future girlfriends in a welfare office or at a food bank. A guy might still get turned down a lot, but he'd also have a good chance of finding a willing partner within a few hours. Even amongst heterosexuals, morons, douchebags, and sleazy pick-up artists still get laid. The odds aren't as bad as one might think, but the goods might be sort of odd. I know this is Fark, but perhaps you could have asked for clarity before responding with hostility.
 
2013-06-15 05:26:10 PM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Seems relevant
 
2013-06-15 05:30:33 PM
a sphincter says what?
'My bunghole is hungry for man meat'?
 
2013-06-15 05:34:47 PM
Attention bigots and homophobes: gay people exist and they aren't going to disappear anytime soon.  GET OVER IT!
 
2013-06-15 05:39:59 PM
I believe virtually everything I read.  And I think that is what makes me more of a selective human than someone who doesn't believe anything.
 
2013-06-15 05:46:32 PM
I just dropped my daughter off at a birthday party for a girl with two mommies.  I forgot to ask their agenda but I am pretty sure I will be picking up a bull dyke daughter in three hours.
 
2013-06-15 05:50:38 PM

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: I just dropped my daughter off at a birthday party for a girl with two mommies.  I forgot to ask their agenda but I am pretty sure I will be picking up a bull dyke daughter in three hours.


Did you measure the length of her hair before you dropped her off?  It will probably be shorter when you pick her up.
 
2013-06-15 05:52:32 PM

Pincy: Attention bigots and homophobes: gay people exist and they aren't going to disappear anytime soon.  GET OVER IT!


Exactly...the sooner we stop talking about it, the sooner we'll learn tolerance of all kinds of people

/know your bias, It'll help you learn to play nice
//you ARE bigoted; ALL of you are
///I'm included
 
2013-06-15 05:53:36 PM
OH Utah....you're so predictable. What of the scout councils in say San Francisco? I'll bet they don't have the same issues you do. Still pressing this "either you're with us or against us" ideals is doing nothing more than training them for a life of confusion, double standards, glass ceilings, and general psychos.

/damn millerites
 
2013-06-15 05:58:09 PM

Pincy: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: I just dropped my daughter off at a birthday party for a girl with two mommies.  I forgot to ask their agenda but I am pretty sure I will be picking up a bull dyke daughter in three hours.

Did you measure the length of her hair before you dropped her off?  It will probably be shorter when you pick her up.


If those gals can get that girl to brush that rat's nest, their agenda is truly superior.
 
2013-06-15 06:17:11 PM
Same thing with the punk kid a few years back that protested wearing his uniform:
Equality? Ok sure.
Wearing an Eagle badge instead of an Eagle knot after you're 18? fark you pieces of shiat.

/I think that guy in the pic is wearing both, WTF people it's called a "uniform" for a reason.
 
2013-06-15 06:25:25 PM

I Like Shiny Things: If I wanted straight sex from a woman, I'd have to put a bit of effort into it, or pay. Not much effort, since I'm pretty studly and I just got back from the gym about 26 minutes ago, but it still takes a bit of work.


They're out there, friend. You're just not going to the right dive bar.
 
2013-06-15 06:26:10 PM

jcooli09: I was a scout leader for a couple of years.  My son and I dropped out because we had to affirm a faith in a higher power, as I recall.  I'm a little fuzzy on the details now, but I wasn't aboput to let him stand up there and lie with the rest of the scouts who had no idea what they were doing.

I still have the scout masters shirt, though, and I think I'll wear it to the next gay pride parade in my area.


Yep, as someone mentioned upthread, there's room for everyone in the scouts but athiests. When my oldest son was in Cub Scouts, we had very good Den Leaders who consisted of a Jewish man and a Christian woman. They were nice people and accepting of other other religions or no religion at all, as was the case with us. When it came time for the religion badge, they just said to him for him to study the different religions and not worry about pledging to one. He got his badge without doing the oath and we had a very happy Cub Scout existence for quite a few years.
When he graduated to Boy Scouts, the pack he transferred to was rabidly religious in the Southern Baptist vein and he was severely castigated by the adults in the pack for being atheist. They gave him such a hard time and demanded that he profess loyalty to god and complete his religious medals before anything else; he quit the pack because of this after a mere two months. He was 13 at the time and all of this was very upsetting to him. F*ck the Boy Scouts and their religious agenda.
 
2013-06-15 06:32:02 PM

xanadian: If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...


I hated the goddamn scout uniforms. Itchy and makes my skin crawl even if I put a t-shirt under it. I even hated how I had to waste Saturdays with them. Still got forced in for five years by my parents. At least it wasn't really a waste. I learned a few things.
 
2013-06-15 06:43:27 PM
shiattynick: When he graduated to Boy Scouts, the pack he transferred to was rabidly religious in the Southern Baptist vein and he was severely castigated by the adults in the pack for being atheist. They gave him such a hard time and demanded that he profess loyalty to god and complete his religious medals before anything else; he quit the pack because of this after a mere two months. He was 13 at the time and all of this was very upsetting to him. F*ck the Boy Scouts and their religious agenda.


No, this didn't happen. It's made up completely.
 
2013-06-15 06:53:58 PM
i.imgur.com

Let's just admit that those flags are huge phallic symbols.

/I also notice that these boys cannot march worth a damn. WTF?
 
2013-06-15 07:15:19 PM
Of course the Boy Scouts are going to try to kick them out, the gay agenda is waging war against the Boy Scouts, using the United States court system's "the politically correct way is the only way" mantra to drive them into a crisis. Right now it's not clear whether or not they will survive the attack as their Christian group sponsors are deciding whether or not to break off into splinter scouting groups because of the attack. And these two idiots are publicly siding with them, giving the gays more ammunition? Where's that shepherds hook, get them the flying fark out of there.

I never had anything against the gays until they took on the Boy Scouts. A close relative who I grew up with was gay (dead now 25 years, goodness gracious) and they were always very kind to me when I was younger because of my association with him. And I could care less what they do, really. But when they started attacking the Boy Scouts that pissed me off real bad, and now think that they are just a political group that is completely full of sh*t. And every time I read a FARK thread full of militant gay dipwads, that feeling grows.

I ran a business for awhile, and had to hire a lot of people. One of the things that insured that I got a good employee was when they put down that they were a boy scout on their resume. It was like this magic thing, only two out of the 75 or so I hired didn't work out, and most of them became my best guys. And every time I turn around, in my little backwater neck of the woods, there are the boy scouts, doing dogooder stuff for the community. What have the goddamn gays ever done? Besides whine, sue people and march around waving rainbow flags, jacksh*t so far as I can see. That's right---JACK F*CKING SH*T.

Now the gays and their politically correct enablers are acting all uppity because the f*cked up United States Court system (corporations are people? need I say more?) has decided that a great organization like the Boy Scouts somehow needs fixing. Once again, the only thing that the SCOTUS has proved here is that they could f*ck up a wet dream.
 
2013-06-15 07:24:41 PM
God, me and the wife just finished up helping staff Cub Scout day camp(one boy in cubs, one in scouts) and had to bite our lips around all the farking morons biatching about this..

Scouting will survive, it's the people who can't change who wont.
 
2013-06-15 07:27:33 PM

I Like Shiny Things: Walter Paisley: I Like Shiny Things: hardinparamedic: I Like Shiny Things: Ok, you were obviously trolling and you wanted everyone to know that (u tell funny joke!), but the sad part is that your statement would have been completely true if you replaced your "100%" with " 75%".

Oh God. I'm being countertrolled.

You typed 'countertrolled' when you meant 'corrected'.

Its 4pm on a Saturday. I could go to any bus station or subway and have my dick sucked by a homo and it would probably take about an hour, including round trip drive.

Could a straight person accomplish this? You think I could go to these same places and find some woman (fat, ugly, diseased...I'm not picky) to do the same thing?

I'd really like a serious answer to that.

Yes, but probably not at the bus station or the subway. Try Wal-Mart or the 7-Eleven.

You are talking about prostitution...you obviously have no idea how the gay community works, because you are straight?

That was kind of my entire point, and its also the point that some of these Boy Scout leaders are trying to make.

Since you aren't very bright, I'll keep it simple for you:

I can go to any of the places mentioned above and get my cock sucked for free. Gay sex. Free. always, anywhere, anytime.

Like the someone above mentioned, 'There's an app for that!'.

If I wanted straight sex from a woman, I'd have to put a bit of effort into it, or pay. Not much effort, since I'm pretty studly and I just got back from the gym about 26 minutes ago, but it still takes a bit of work.


So, wait. You can reliably get a free b/j in the street from a guy; but not from a girl. And you're okay with this fact. That random guys will blow you, but not random women. And your assertion is that this means something is wrong with gay men...not with you?

I'm thinking its more that you're giving off a man-whore vibe, and all those homogheys are just astonished to be getting all that action for free.
 
2013-06-15 07:38:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: So, wait. You can reliably get a free b/j in the street from a guy; but not from a girl. And you're okay with this fact. That random guys will blow you, but not random women. And your assertion is that this means something is wrong with gay men...not with you?

I'm thinking its more that you're giving off a man-whore vibe, and all those homogheys are just astonished to be getting all that action for free.



Lulz ; )
 
2013-06-15 07:45:48 PM

shiattynick: jcooli09: I was a scout leader for a couple of years.  My son and I dropped out because we had to affirm a faith in a higher power, as I recall.  I'm a little fuzzy on the details now, but I wasn't aboput to let him stand up there and lie with the rest of the scouts who had no idea what they were doing.

I still have the scout masters shirt, though, and I think I'll wear it to the next gay pride parade in my area.

Yep, as someone mentioned upthread, there's room for everyone in the scouts but athiests. When my oldest son was in Cub Scouts, we had very good Den Leaders who consisted of a Jewish man and a Christian woman. They were nice people and accepting of other other religions or no religion at all, as was the case with us. When it came time for the religion badge, they just said to him for him to study the different religions and not worry about pledging to one. He got his badge without doing the oath and we had a very happy Cub Scout existence for quite a few years.
When he graduated to Boy Scouts, the pack he transferred to was rabidly religious in the Southern Baptist vein and he was severely castigated by the adults in the pack for being atheist. They gave him such a hard time and demanded that he profess loyalty to god and complete his religious medals before anything else; he quit the pack because of this after a mere two months. He was 13 at the time and all of this was very upsetting to him. F*ck the Boy Scouts and their religious agenda.


One of the very first thing a scout has to do to earn their initial ranks in either cub scouts or boy scouts is to learn and recite the oath and the law....which includes a statement to honor their duty to their god and their country.  Either you're a lying piece of shiat and making stuff up to make the scouts look bad because they don't get on their knees and blow the gay mafia....or you a complete tool who never paid attention to what your kid was doing or saying.

As far as religious emblems...its VOLUNTARY and there a more than 20 they can chose from including catholic, protestant, orthodox, jewish, hindu, baha'i, unity, and unitarian universalist (which are basically atheists).  So getting your panties in a wad because you put your son in a troop (not a pack...another reason your story is full of shiat) that did not honor and cherish your atheism was your own fault....you could choose any troop and you chose poorly.

An atheist wanting to join Boy Scouts is pretty much like a woman wanting to attend a support group for testicular cancer survivors.
 
2013-06-15 07:57:38 PM
Somacandra: Hypocrites, much?

TuteTibiImperes: do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.


Well, if you're a leftist, it certainly does indicate bias. Hard line socialists, *Real Socialists*, not the bogeyman-obamacare kind, have always tried to discredit patriotism (aka nationalism) as being inherently evil.

Why? Well if your goal is to overthrow the established order, then you need to discredit the celebration and cherishing of national identity.

So leftists try to align the ideas of patriotism >> nationalism >> fascism into one big ball of corruption. The Fourth of July is a hard day for them to sell.

And this is why Somacandra inexplicably held up a Memorial Day Parade as an example of a political or social agenda. He's not disingenuous or stoopid, he's just a True Believer.
 
2013-06-15 08:04:53 PM
This week, officials with the Great Salt Lake Council called the two men in, pointed out a photo published by The Salt Lake Tribune showing Whitaker at the parade and told them both to sign an apology for "violation of (Boys Scouts of America) policies and disobedience."


/How about you take your policies and rules and shove them up your tight judgmental authoritarian asses? The only thing i would sign is a promise never to join a club that is full of religious nutjobs, and jackasses.
 
2013-06-15 08:05:03 PM

letrole: He's not disingenuous or stoopid, he's just a True Believer.


Hey, factual/insightful comments are not welcome here.   This is FARK, for FSM's sake.
 
2013-06-15 08:09:00 PM
FTFA: "It has always been BSA's policy that no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," the letter said. "You and others are welcome to participate in the parade as supportive citizens but not as uniformed members of the BSA."


/Gee, you're giving me permission to stand in a public place and watch your parade of jackbooted elitists goose step by? Wow, thanks for giving me a right I already had you farking draconian authoritarian piss nozzle. How about i just do whatever i like, and tell you to suck it? Suck it deep. I already have the right to do whatever i like tool, I don't need you to tell me shiat.
 
2013-06-15 08:17:31 PM

Eponymous: shiattynick: jcooli09: I was a scout leader for a couple of years.  My son and I dropped out because we had to affirm a faith in a higher power, as I recall.  I'm a little fuzzy on the details now, but I wasn't aboput to let him stand up there and lie with the rest of the scouts who had no idea what they were doing.

I still have the scout masters shirt, though, and I think I'll wear it to the next gay pride parade in my area.

Yep, as someone mentioned upthread, there's room for everyone in the scouts but athiests. When my oldest son was in Cub Scouts, we had very good Den Leaders who consisted of a Jewish man and a Christian woman. They were nice people and accepting of other other religions or no religion at all, as was the case with us. When it came time for the religion badge, they just said to him for him to study the different religions and not worry about pledging to one. He got his badge without doing the oath and we had a very happy Cub Scout existence for quite a few years.
When he graduated to Boy Scouts, the pack he transferred to was rabidly religious in the Southern Baptist vein and he was severely castigated by the adults in the pack for being atheist. They gave him such a hard time and demanded that he profess loyalty to god and complete his religious medals before anything else; he quit the pack because of this after a mere two months. He was 13 at the time and all of this was very upsetting to him. F*ck the Boy Scouts and their religious agenda.

One of the very first thing a scout has to do to earn their initial ranks in either cub scouts or boy scouts is to learn and recite the oath and the law....which includes a statement to honor their duty to their god and their country.  Either you're a lying piece of shiat and making stuff up to make the scouts look bad because they don't get on their knees and blow the gay mafia....or you a complete tool who never paid attention to what your kid was doing or saying.

As far as religious emblems...its VOLU ...


And arguing on the internet is like winning a medal in the special olympics. Take my story for what it is, my true life story. It happened to my son after leaving Cub Scouts, where we had a great time with good people, we had the exact opposite situation with our chosen Boy Scout pack/troop/who cares what they call it because it sucked.
 
2013-06-15 08:20:17 PM
Bit'O'Gristle: watch your parade of jackbooted elitists goose step by... draconian authoritarian

And another True Believer who really needs work on expressing ideas without resorting to duckspeak

George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," 1946
 
2013-06-15 08:43:59 PM

letrole: Bit'O'Gristle: watch your parade of jackbooted elitists goose step by... draconian authoritarian

And another True Believer who really needs work on expressing ideas without resorting to duckspeak

George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," 1946


What happened to the copypasta? I is disappoint.
/No not really
 
2013-06-15 09:04:00 PM
TuteTibiImperes:
I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political.  Patriotism != political bias.

That is a mighty fine split hair there.  Do you do any other tricks?
 
2013-06-15 09:22:16 PM

letrole: Well, if you're a leftist, it certainly does indicate bias. Hard line socialists, *Real Socialists*, not the bogeyman-obamacare kind, have always tried to discredit patriotism (aka nationalism) as being inherently evil.

Why? Well if your goal is to overthrow the established order, then you need to discredit the celebration and cherishing of national identity.

So leftists try to align the ideas of patriotism >> nationalism >> fascism into one big ball of corruption. The Fourth of July is a hard day for them to sell.


Try Googling "who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance." It will blow your mind.
 
2013-06-15 09:29:17 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-15 09:36:29 PM

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 450x358]

Let's just admit that those flags are huge phallic symbols.

/I also notice that these boys cannot march worth a damn. WTF?


I imagine it would be hard to march with an inflamed, ruined asshole.
 
2013-06-15 09:37:08 PM
The Boy Scouts of America can go to Hades. Lifting the ban on gay scouts means absolutely nothing without allowing gay adult leaders.  It is a cheap cop out, and one that sends a horrible message to scouts.  They are saying that it is OK to be a gay child but it is not OK to be a gay adult.  If they really wanted to make a difference then they need to lift the ban across the board.  This is really not much more different than their early days when they allowed individual councils and troops to decide on whether or not to allow minority scouts (which, incidentally, they did not lift until 1974!!!!).  This is a step in the right direction, but it is too small of a step.
 
2013-06-15 09:41:31 PM
Hickory-smoked: Try Googling "who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance." It will blow your mind.

That's the trouble with having these sorts of discussions with Americans. Why must you always whip out Secular Scripture? WGAFF? And your constitution was written by slave owners? Again, WGAFF?

Is this in any way relevant to the standard party line of socialists, in regard to denigration of patriotism as a means of facilitating the overthrow the standing government?

Hint* Pick another country, any country where socialists are active and little children don't recite a given poem, and discuss.
 
2013-06-15 10:00:42 PM
Mock26: The Boy Scouts of America can go to Hades.

This pretty much sums up the sentiment of the thread (and the issue in general)

It would seem that there is a desire to destroy what cannot otherwise be obtained, not unlike a loser who shoots a girl who spurns him with the twisted logic "If I can't have her, then nobody can".
 
2013-06-15 10:09:02 PM

Mock26: The Boy Scouts of America can go to Hades. Lifting the ban on gay scouts means absolutely nothing without allowing gay adult leaders.  It is a cheap cop out, and one that sends a horrible message to scouts.  They are saying that it is OK to be a gay child but it is not OK to be a gay adult.  If they really wanted to make a difference then they need to lift the ban across the board.  This is really not much more different than their early days when they allowed individual councils and troops to decide on whether or not to allow minority scouts (which, incidentally, they did not lift until 1974!!!!).  This is a step in the right direction, but it is too small of a step.


In a couple years, there will be quite a lot of gay adult Scouts, many with their Eagles. The BSA will have to reasses their stance on gay leaders then, because they'll have no choice.

They just can't admit, or can't accept, that fact yet.
 
2013-06-15 10:11:17 PM

letrole: Mock26: The Boy Scouts of America can go to Hades.

This pretty much sums up the sentiment of the thread (and the issue in general)

It would seem that there is a desire to destroy what cannot otherwise be obtained, not unlike a loser who shoots a girl who spurns him with the twisted logic "If I can't have her, then nobody can".


I do not want to see the Scouts destroyed or anything like that.  I just think that their move to allow gay scouts was half-hearted at best, and one that sends a very bad message to scouts, particularly gay scouts.  I think that it is a step in the right direction, but just not a big enough step.  Incidentally, while the ban was in effect I fully supported their right to run their organization the way that they wanted.  I did work to get them to change
 
2013-06-15 10:12:17 PM

TuteTibiImperes: , but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.


Got it. Political celebrations and honoring soldiers of wars that some people politically objected to are not political.

Asseater.
 
2013-06-15 10:28:56 PM

Pincy: Attention bigots and homophobes: gay people exist and they aren't going to disappear anytime soon.  GET OVER IT!


We got to get over before we go under
 
2013-06-15 10:28:58 PM

Broom: TuteTibiImperes: , but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.

Got it. Political celebrations and honoring soldiers of wars that some people politically objected to are not political.

Asseater.


You can love your country without agreeing with the leaders.  Independence Day is a celebration of the birth of our nation, not any particular ideology when it comes to how we run it.

You can disagree with a war and still honor those who gave their lives fighting it.  Respecting those who paid the ultimate price to defend our way of life doesn't mean that you have to agree with the President, Congressmen, or Generals who decided to send them out to fight.

t.qkme.me
 
2013-06-15 10:40:05 PM

Killer Cars: I can't take anyone seriously if they use a patently absurd term like "gay agenda" to make an argument. I just don't have the patience anymore.

Enjoy being laughed at and ridiculed in the history books and by future generations.


I had a gay agenda once.

Damn think kept magically adding "suck some cock" after every appointment I wrote down.
 
2013-06-15 10:41:07 PM
varmitydog: <spittle-flecked anti-gay wharrgarbl>

Wow.  Why don't you sod off back to Florida before everyone figures out you're really gay?
 
2013-06-15 10:41:55 PM

Broom: TuteTibiImperes: , but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.

Got it. Political celebrations and honoring soldiers of wars that some people politically objected to are not political.

Asseater.


Why is a veterans' parade necessarily political? I think it is possible to honor veterans without holding them responsible for their government's decisions. That's who the political disagreement is, or should be, with.

Some events, at least, are as political as one chooses to make it.
 
2013-06-15 10:43:04 PM
*them
 
2013-06-15 10:43:36 PM
Mock26: The Boy Scouts of America can go to Hades.
letrole: This pretty much sums up the sentiment of the thread (and the issue in general)
Mock26: I do not want to see the Scouts destroyed or anything like that.


It's the same as with homosexual marriage. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

Homosexuals do not have any great desire to get involved with scouting, neither as adult leaders or as scouts. But, there is indeed a motivation to use scouting as a way establish legitimacy and normality and participation in society.

The problem with scouting is that it's "homophobic", but this not as a single issue simply because they hate gays. The moral basis, the ethos, is Judeo-Christian, and that is fundamentally not tolerant of homosexuality.

The policy on homosexuality is not an arbitrary selection. Nobody had a vote on different issues ie how they should be handled and resolved. The prohibition of homosexuality has the same basis as the prohibition of theft or cheating. So, the only way to change the policy of homosexuality is to discard its basis.

Scouting is not simply wearing a given uniform.
 
2013-06-15 10:46:15 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Respecting those who paid the ultimate price to defend our way of life


There are those who disagree that signing up at age 18 to kill whomever the government says is bad is not the exact same as defending our way of life.

And that makes it political.
 
2013-06-15 10:56:29 PM
Broom: And that makes it political.

No sir, you make it political.

If you can't empathise, if you can't grasp the simple idea of rememberance, if your beliefs are so petty that you cannot STFU and acknowlege their sacrifice without relating it to ME ME ME ME, then...

well, you've already demonstrated it so well.
 
2013-06-15 10:57:41 PM

Broom: TuteTibiImperes: Respecting those who paid the ultimate price to defend our way of life

There are those who disagree that signing up at age 18 to kill whomever the government says is bad is not the exact same as defending our way of life.

And that makes it political.


I can see where you are coming from on that, but if I had to make a litmus test for 'is an event political' it'd be along these lines:

1.  Is it funded by or centered around a particular candidate's campaign for office and/or political party event

2. Is the purpose of the event to publicize or sway support for a particular political candidate, ballot measure, bill, or other item up for vote

3. Is the event strongly identified with a partisan political position (this is the most fuzzy)

Obviously, these are just my criteria, you don't have to agree with them, but I don't see how celebrating Independence Day or honoring veterans meets any of those points.  Any political candidate, regardless of party, is expected to love this country (obviously) and support the members of the armed forces.  Therefore agreeing that America is a good thing and that we should respect those who gave their lives for it doesn't really align with either major party politically, and doesn't end up being political at the end of the day.

Marching in a gay pride parade has the potential to meet with the third, but at this point even most members of the GOP agree that homosexuality isn't in and of itself a damning offense, even if they aren't quite there on the issue of gay marriage yet.
 
2013-06-15 11:09:23 PM
TuteTibiImperes:

Marching in a gay pride parade has the potential to meet with the third, but at this point even most members of the GOP agree that homosexuality isn't in and of itself a damning offense, even if they aren't quite there on the issue of gay marriage yet.

I respect that you admit there's a difference of opinion here, but I think you're wrong on the GOP position on gays.

Take Mike Huckabee's position. Or Sue Everhart's. The GOP is vehemently hateful to gays.
 
2013-06-15 11:11:27 PM

letrole: Mock26: The Boy Scouts of America can go to Hades.
letrole: This pretty much sums up the sentiment of the thread (and the issue in general)
Mock26: I do not want to see the Scouts destroyed or anything like that.


It's the same as with homosexual marriage. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

Homosexuals do not have any great desire to get involved with scouting, neither as adult leaders or as scouts. But, there is indeed a motivation to use scouting as a way establish legitimacy and normality and participation in society.

The problem with scouting is that it's "homophobic", but this not as a single issue simply because they hate gays. The moral basis, the ethos, is Judeo-Christian, and that is fundamentally not tolerant of homosexuality.

The policy on homosexuality is not an arbitrary selection. Nobody had a vote on different issues ie how they should be handled and resolved. The prohibition of homosexuality has the same basis as the prohibition of theft or cheating. So, the only way to change the policy of homosexuality is to discard its basis.

Scouting is not simply wearing a given uniform.


Have you ever seen the tag on a Scout uniform?  My old uniform is 65% polyester, 35% cotton.  That is in direct violation to levticus 19:19.  The Scouts already ignore many of the prohibitions in the bible (they also let in people who worship other gods, which is in direct contradiction to the 1st commandment), so there is absolutely no reason why they cannot just arbitrarily disregard the prohibition on homosexuals.
 
2013-06-15 11:14:44 PM

varmitydog: Of course the Boy Scouts are going to try to kick them out, the gay agenda is waging war against the Boy Scouts, using the United States court system's "the politically correct way is the only way" mantra to drive them into a crisis.


It is a lot like the 1950s and 1960s when elements of the black agenda waged a war against the Boy Scouts to force them to fully desegregate the Scouts.

By the way, the court system has repeatedly sided with the Boy Scouts.
 
2013-06-15 11:23:55 PM

Broom: TuteTibiImperes:

Marching in a gay pride parade has the potential to meet with the third, but at this point even most members of the GOP agree that homosexuality isn't in and of itself a damning offense, even if they aren't quite there on the issue of gay marriage yet.

I respect that you admit there's a difference of opinion here, but I think you're wrong on the GOP position on gays.

Take Mike Huckabee's position. Or Sue Everhart's. The GOP is vehemently hateful to gays.


Trust me, I'm far from a GOP apologist, I'm a pretty libby libtard at the end of the day, and you're right, there are still some members of that party that are flat out anti-gay, however, the tide has been turning, and some members have been advocating acceptance, if not quite equal rights yet.  There's a long way to go, but at least there are glimmers of hope.

For gay marriage, the maps are still pretty darn blue, but I wonder if half of that isn't because advocating against the fundamentalist Christian base is a political death sentence for many Republicans, i.e. their public views may not reflect their personal views.  Of course, it could be argued that they should have the conviction and integrity to stand up for what they believe in regardless of the results, and I sort of agree, but I don't know if we'll see landslide changes of views until the official party position changes.
 
2013-06-15 11:58:30 PM
To be fair, the Boy Scouts have in the past associated with organizations whose reputations were less than savory....

i.imgur.com
(1916)
 
2013-06-16 12:33:18 AM

varmitydog: < Insane Ramblings>


WOW! You are......How should I put this? Pathetic? A loser? Failure at life?

Why not all three!

/MORAN
 
2013-06-16 12:50:56 AM
One who accepts the Scout's beliefs at face value would think they would jump to be at the forefront of the acceptance of LBGT community with regard to equal rights etc.  And yeah, the BSA is never supposed to be affiliated with a particular political doctrine etc. but they have been repeatedly throughout time so that argument is bullshiat.

/former scout
//troop leader got arrested for pedophelia
///not gay
////knew lot's of gay scouts who were awesome
////knew lots of non-gay scouts who burned crosses
//seriously?
 
2013-06-16 02:44:38 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: /I also notice that these boys cannot march worth a damn. WTF?

I imagine it would be hard to march with an inflamed, ruined asshole.


That's no way to talk about the BSA leadership; they are probably not ruined  . . . yet.
 
2013-06-16 06:42:23 AM
Mock26: Have you ever seen the tag on a Scout uniform? My old uniform is 65% polyester, 35% cotton. That is in direct violation to levticus 19:19. The Scouts already ignore many of the prohibitions in the bible (they also let in people who worship other gods, which is in direct contradiction to the 1st commandment), so there is absolutely no reason why they cannot just arbitrarily disregard the prohibition on homosexuals.


You probably don't realise how well you just fulfilled my earlier analogy about the spiteful loser who kills a girl who spurned him.
 
2013-06-16 09:31:43 AM
varmitydog:

Benevolent Misanthrope : Wow. Why don't you sod off back to Florida before everyone figures out you're really gay?

Heh. You should have read it before I decided it was a mite too hostile and edited it some.
A warning to myself: Do not fark while drinking. Do not fark while drinking. Do not fark while drinking...........and this time I really mean it.
 
2013-06-16 11:02:33 AM

ambercat: The more an organization is homophobic, the more I assume it has members that want to molest kids.


You are correct sir:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/16/local/la-me-boy-scouts-files -2 0120916

The fact the BSA went all Catholic Church when it came to covering up these molestation cases basically proves to me that they lost the moral high ground a long time ago.

/Eagle Scout
//Glad the BSA is finally joining the 21st Century
 
2013-06-16 10:42:15 PM

letrole: Mock26: Have you ever seen the tag on a Scout uniform? My old uniform is 65% polyester, 35% cotton. That is in direct violation to levticus 19:19. The Scouts already ignore many of the prohibitions in the bible (they also let in people who worship other gods, which is in direct contradiction to the 1st commandment), so there is absolutely no reason why they cannot just arbitrarily disregard the prohibition on homosexuals.


You probably don't realise how well you just fulfilled my earlier analogy about the spiteful loser who kills a girl who spurned him.


Seeking to get the Boy Scouts to change their policy on homosexuality and calling them out for the hypocrisy of their prohibition is the same as a someone stalking a girl?  Man, you really are retarded.
 
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