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(Daily Mail)   Man loses job after telling his Muslim recruiter he'd treat her to a bacon sandwich. Bonus: She's a bombshell   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 99
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2013-06-15 12:49:14 PM  
9 votes:

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Obviously, it's time that we all started living in bubbles and never interacting with other people ever again.

/she could have not been a douche and said "I'm muslim, I don't eat pork.", which probably would have led him to say "Oh, sorry, my bad.", and the problem would have been solved. But, no, being an oversensitive douchette was her choice instead.
2013-06-15 11:36:04 AM  
9 votes:
'Being offended' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.
2013-06-15 11:02:32 AM  
9 votes:
This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.
2013-06-15 11:59:06 AM  
8 votes:
She's the one who should lose her job.  If she didn't want the bacon butty, she should have said no thank you.  That's the way civilized people behave.
2013-06-15 10:58:41 AM  
7 votes:

rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.


I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".
2013-06-15 09:59:01 AM  
6 votes:
The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!
2013-06-15 03:12:53 PM  
5 votes:

Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?


For the sake of argument, let's assume everything in the article is 100% true and not biased in any way (probably not the case, but not relevant to the point I'm making).

At what point do we need to say 'enough is enough' in terms of trying not to offend someone when the mere act of offering a 'thank you' gift becomes offensive?

Let's say that he had no clue she was Muslim, if bacon sandwiches are a common breakfast item in England, it's a safe assumption to make that the offer of one won't be taken offensively.  Yes, Muslims, Jews, and Vegetarians don't eat pork, but I've never met someone who's been offended by the offer of something that they don't eat - they just politely decline.  An offer in and of itself is a kindness, not an insult.
2013-06-15 02:49:55 PM  
5 votes:

Kyosuke: 'Being offended' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.


"Reject the sense of injury, and you reject the injury itself."
-- Marcus Aurelius
2013-06-15 01:17:26 PM  
5 votes:

Altair: It would have been racist to look at her and just assume she was a Muslim.  Dumb coont.


This article has that air of "Fake Daily Mail 'journalism' about it".
2013-06-15 02:47:54 PM  
4 votes:
The guy made an innocuous remark and a member of a religion not noted for tolerance took offense.  Is no one allowed to even mention bacon in their presence?

I once had to fire a woman who worked for me for something that really was offensive.  She was on the phone with a customer who everyone knew to be a devout Jew.  She was having some sort of problem with him, which in and of itself revealed a problem with her since no one in the company had ever had any difficulty with him as a customer before.  But, when she closed the phone call with. "Eat pork and die!" and then slammed the phone down, there was no choice but to fire her.  When a witness told me about it and I subsequently confronted her, she was pretty pleased with herself.

I suppose if Mr. Hunt had said that to Ms. Sacranie, he would have been summarily beheaded.
2013-06-15 02:42:55 PM  
4 votes:
She's a coont.

Just say "no, I don't eat bacon, thanks."

Instead cost the guy the job.

fark her.
2013-06-15 02:39:51 PM  
4 votes:
Religion of perpetual offense strikes again.
2013-06-15 11:27:09 AM  
4 votes:
Ah, swell, it's the daily Daily Fail anti-immigrant race-baiting article. Wouldn't want to miss a single line of THIS stellar journalism.
2013-06-15 04:38:33 PM  
3 votes:
How adults behave:

"i'll see you your first day, for breakfast."
"OK,  I'll. ring the bacon sandwhiches."
"Not, for me, I'm Muslim."

Then you wait for his reply, and only after that do you know if he's a racist or not.
2013-06-15 02:53:20 PM  
3 votes:
If it was so offensive, how is it you're uncovered biatch? Your family must be frothing at seeing you parade yourself around like a common harlot.
2013-06-15 02:50:39 PM  
3 votes:
How is it even supposed to be common knowledge that Muslims (assuming she had a badge that said "Hi, I'm Muslim!) don't eat pork? The guy's a 58 year old computer nerd. Maybe that never occurred to him.
2013-06-15 02:48:06 PM  
3 votes:
Stupid coont shouldn't be uin a position of hiring if she can't keep her religion out of business. Sounds like she is a real biatch to work for if she is that hyper-sensitive. Sadly the dude has zero recourse because he was to be a contractor, but that woman is not someone I would want to work for.

/fark? Sure. But not work with
2013-06-15 02:43:03 PM  
3 votes:
So how would he know she was a muslim? They probably never discussed religion as part of his interview.

/how come it tries to correct "muslim" as "Muslim" but does not try to correct "christian" into "Christian"?
2013-06-15 02:35:53 PM  
3 votes:

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!


I think you hit the nail on the head. Both parties got their knickers in a twist, and neither would be the first one to humble themselves with an apology. Since he's the one that wanted the job, he should have started it.

"I am so sorry, I had no idea. I can see how that could have been misconstrued. How can I make this right?"

Pride comes before a fall.
2013-06-15 02:21:04 PM  
3 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".


Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?
2013-06-15 12:51:51 PM  
3 votes:

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


She could have also just said to him 'Thank you for the offer, but I'm Muslim and I don't eat pork (or just told him she didn't eat pork without going into why)" at which point he would have likely offered to bring something else for her instead.  She didn't need to go complain to his superiors about what was essentially a friendly offer to bring breakfast.

Whenever I've went somewhere with coworkers there's never been a Q&A session beforehand of what each person can and can't eat, if you have an issue with where everyone's going, you're expected to speak up.
2013-06-15 12:40:51 PM  
3 votes:

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?


Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.
2013-06-15 08:27:48 PM  
2 votes:
Assuming the story is even true, there's plenty of people of middle eastern decent that are Christians, or non-secular. Also, not everyone is aware that Muslims don't eat pork. On top of that I've known Muslims who did eat pork. This is just another example of people expecting the rest of the world to bend over backward to suit their needs. This could have been settled by her simply saying "Sorry, I don't eat pork, it's against my religion".
2013-06-15 06:59:13 PM  
2 votes:

rewind2846: Almea Tarrant: Wouldn't it in fact be racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish...must be a Muslim!" ?

No, it wouldn't be "racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish... might be a Muslim! Maybe I shouldn't say the stupid thing about feeding her bacon that is about to come out of my mouth."

See what I did there? The bold is the key.


I do, I do see what you did there.  Changed what I said and completely missed the point.
2013-06-15 05:56:16 PM  
2 votes:

Somacandra: Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude.


No it isn't. It may be a little thoughtless, but that's all. Not nearly as rude as accusing someone of racism unjustifiably, particularly if you don't have the courtesy to do it to their face.

This is the polite conversation ...

She: OK, see you there for breakfast
He: No problem. I'll get the bacon sarnies
She: Not for me, I'm afraid. I'm Jewish / Muslim / vegetarian / coeliac / just not very fond of bacon
He: No problem. Just let me know what you'd like
She: Sure. See you.

Of course, this is the Daily Mail, so it problem never happened.
2013-06-15 04:51:15 PM  
2 votes:

ongbok: So why then did he tell her supervisor to sod off instead of explaining to him that he didn't mean it and offering an apology?


Because the supervisor wouldn't accept it as a mistake, but kept pushing him to admit to some kind of wrongdoing.  After enough of that, I'd tell him to sod off too.

Mr Hunt said: 'When the manager called me, I was driving and I got increasingly exasperated as he kept telling me I should admit to my wrongdoing for referring to bacon sandwiches.

Or maybe the supervisor was short (sorry, I mean "vertically challenged") and thought Mr. Hunt was calling him "sawed off"?
2013-06-15 04:24:41 PM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: Religion of perpetual offense strikes again.


No, no, no...  It said she is Muslim, not Evangelical Christian.
2013-06-15 03:30:25 PM  
2 votes:
Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail
2013-06-15 03:22:58 PM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?

For the sake of argument, let's assume everything in the article is 100% true and not biased in any way (probably not the case, but not relevant to the point I'm making).

At what point do we need to say 'enough is enough' in terms of trying not to offend someone when the mere act of offering a 'thank you' gift becomes offensive?

Let's say that he had no clue she was Muslim, if bacon sandwiches are a common breakfast item in England, it's a safe assumption to make that the offer of one won't be taken offensively.  Yes, Muslims, Jews, and Vegetarians don't eat pork, but I've never met someone who's been offended by the offer of something that they don't eat - they just politely decline.  An offer in and of itself is a kindness, not an insult.


The problem with your statement is that the guy actually had the opportunity to walk it back and say "I'm sorry, I didn't realize she was Muslim, and no offense was meant." Instead, he got into an argument and ended the conversation by telling them to, basically, fark off. It's one thing to make an innocent mistake, it's another to double-down and tell somebody to fark off because *you* screwed up.
2013-06-15 03:05:33 PM  
2 votes:
Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.
2013-06-15 03:05:11 PM  
2 votes:

propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.


I wouldn't believe these pricks if they said water was wet.
2013-06-15 02:57:47 PM  
2 votes:
Probably an attempt to cover up an age discrimination case. This was probably the first time they'd seen him face to face.
2013-06-15 02:47:37 PM  
2 votes:
It's quite simple. If he knew, or suspected she was Muslim and offered her the sandwich then he's a dick. Who goes straight to a bacon sandwich first? That's not a normal thank you offer. Flowers, chocolate, wine, or some offer of general food "lunch", "dinner", are what people say, no one jumps straight in to a specific foodtype, let alone to bacon when the person happens to be muslim. So I suspect he knew and said it deliberately, hopefully as a joke, because why would he want to wind up the person who got him a job?

However there's the possibility that he didn't know, and was just a genial old man trying to be nice, in which case she should have responded with a "no thanks", and left it there. If that is the case then he doesn't owe her an apology. Taking offence to an innocuous remark, or even a joke is a product of a poor personality. Taking offence to a deliberate slight is a different matter, though still rather pointless.

I am just going to assume both were in the wrong, if any of this story is true.
2013-06-15 02:46:36 PM  
2 votes:

rumpelstiltskin: If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.


I'm sorry, but that's farking BS. People should be allowed to say things. Have we gotten so uptight that one has to analyze every single word that comes out of their mouth in fear that it could offend a million kind of people in a million ways? Fark that. How about grow some thicker skin, starting acting like an adult, and realize you do not have the right to keep your feelings from getting hurt. I'll say what I want. You can say what you want. And we'll both understand they're just words. Farking words. Get the fark over yourselves and stop getting offended that someone randomly mentioned a food your religion finds offensive.

That man was ENTIRELY right to tell them to sod off. They're acting like spoiled 8 year olds on the play ground after being called names. Stop crying about mistaken insults and just brush it off like adults are supposed to.
2013-06-15 02:46:04 PM  
2 votes:
Was a simple "No thank you, I'm Muslim" to much for her?
2013-06-15 02:45:13 PM  
2 votes:
How about when they approached him about the situation he realized that it was gonna be more of the same no matter what he did,so "sod off!"
PKY
2013-06-15 02:41:40 PM  
2 votes:
Minorities are humorless and oversensitive.
2013-06-15 02:23:01 PM  
2 votes:
Oh. The Daily Mail.

Yeah. I'm SURE that's exactly what happened.
2013-06-15 12:52:54 PM  
2 votes:
It would have been racist to look at her and just assume she was a Muslim.  Dumb coont.
2013-06-15 12:43:18 PM  
2 votes:
Why would she think the guy was going to intentionally insult her after landing a job?

/is 1,000....whatevers/week a lot?
2013-06-15 12:42:03 PM  
2 votes:

Kyosuke: 'Being offended' is a choice a person makes. Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.



Being rude is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be rude? Don't choose to be.

Don't ASSUME.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-15 12:26:32 PM  
2 votes:
He should have apologized and offered to make her a sandwich of Christian baby flesh.
2013-06-15 12:08:39 PM  
2 votes:

propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.


This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.
2013-06-15 12:06:46 PM  
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: I'd put my shofar in her mezuzah.

Oh great. Now I've managed to piss off Jews and Muslims.


I could do that in 3 words.

"I'd pork her."
2013-06-15 10:47:27 AM  
2 votes:
It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.
2013-06-16 02:11:27 AM  
1 votes:
gfid:
It's one thing to ask such things in social setting where you're on relatively friendly terms.  I've worked with Jews, Muslims, Hindus and even Christians - also agnostics and outright atheists.  It's usually not something that comes up the first few times I meet them.

FTA: "At the end of the 15-minute meeting earlier this month, recruitment consultant Sharika Sacranie, 29, shook Mr Hunt's hand and said she would come and meet him for breakfast the following week, to which he replied: 'I'll get the bacon sandwiches in.'

The appropriate response would be "I'll see you then, Ms Sacranie". Now if the Daily Fail has any of this correct, they knew each other well enough AFTER the interview to have a business breakfast the following week.

Also, you can find out a lot about people without asking what religion they are. What they like to do, what school they went to, etc. Their hobbies and activities can give the questioner a good insight as to what the interviewee is about. Now if their name was one that someone from the middle east might have (and I would know this because I would have done some research before the interview) then I would think "there's a possibility that this person may be Muslim. If I'm going to invite them out to breakfast, I should choose a place that doesn't serve haraam food". That may also be the time I would ask them if the restaurant I chose was okay.

If they choose to tell me they are Muslim, I'm okay. If they choose not to tell me they are Muslim, I'm still okay. Either way I win, because I took the time to think first, speak second, and do last.

Anyway, none of this excuses this guy. He farked up, then compounded the fark up by not apologizing when given the opportunity to save his job and his ass. Too many people across the pond (and in this thread) are threatened by the "brown invasion" as I see it labeled in British newspapers and opinion columns, and this is just another example of that coming to the surface. Here it's Mexicans, there's it's Muslims, but in both places it's the same old bullsh*t. It makes sense that this would come from an older guy too, one who grew up in a Britain that was oh so very white.
2013-06-15 07:29:08 PM  
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?


Sounds more Jersey shore to me than Mooslim.
2013-06-15 07:17:53 PM  
1 votes:

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!


And moreover, supposed to know they don't eat bacon? I had no idea until I started dating one.  Most white people (myself included) know nothing about other cultures/religions, unfortunately.
2013-06-15 06:57:22 PM  
1 votes:
This recruiter sounds like an oversensitive biatch. How the hell was he supposed to know she was a Muslim? She should have just said "no thanks, I am muslim". Way to make a federal case of it.
2013-06-15 06:33:30 PM  
1 votes:
Wouldn't it in fact be racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish...must be a Muslim!" ?
2013-06-15 06:13:38 PM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


Are many muslims halaal eaters? Sure. As a resident near the largest muslim area in the country I can say a whole heck of a lot of them eat pork or get drunk.

I agree that asking is a good call, but getting pissy over the offer of bacon is retarded.
2013-06-15 05:38:01 PM  
1 votes:
Gotta love the keyword listing up top there.....
More: Stupid, Muslims,

In all reality, he should've DOH'd and apologized.

The Muslim woman should've replied "I am Muslim and don't eat bacon, but I accept your comment in the spirit in which it was given."
BUT OH NO that would be a Muslim behaving like a Buddhist (or Hindu) and we can't have that!
2013-06-15 05:12:09 PM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


He was rude?  For offering to buy a food?  A common British breakfast food?  Even if she is Muslim, she lives in England.  Shouldn't she be aware of the practices of the people of the country she lives in?  Isn't she the one being rude by assuming he meant an insult instead of a genuine offer to pay for part of breakfast?

What if he said, "I'll buy the drinks"?  Would she be offended at that?  Colloquially 'drink' can mean 'alcoholic beverage'.   Would she have been upset that he offered to buy her alcohol?  'Cause Muslims aren't supposed to drink alcohol either.

He did the right thing.  Her boss called, and he explained himself about the comment.  They shouldn't have continued to push the matter.  His explanation should have been apology enough.  They were the ones unwillingly to accept it.
2013-06-15 05:04:35 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: rumpelstiltskin: She's in the business of selling people. She told her superior, "Look, I think this guy might be defective."  Her superior followed up on it, and was told to sod off. Her superior concluded that the product was indeed defective, and withdrew it from the shelf.

Bingo.  To the staffing firm the guy isn't human.  They're in the "talent" business, not the people business.


That's the sanest argument against my position that this guy should get farked that there is.
Which doesn't change my position, but I'm not going to argue it. The world is what it is, and I don't make the rules.
2013-06-15 04:56:58 PM  
1 votes:
A spokesman for Reed said: 'Due to inappropriate comments made to members of our staff during the recruitment process before Mr Hunt started his new role we have unfortunately decided that we do not feel we can represent this client further.

'A senior manager from the Reed team spoke to Mr Hunt via telephone following an inappropriate comment made to a member of staff before he was due to start in the role.

'During that conversation, Mr Hunt made further inappropriate comments.



Sounds like he had more to say than simply offering to buy sandwiches.
2013-06-15 04:50:14 PM  
1 votes:

ongbok: jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

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That is Shakira and she is of Lebanese decent.


Her family's sexual orientation isn't really relevant here.
2013-06-15 04:49:34 PM  
1 votes:
He should have offered her a "proper English breakfast."

Where he offended her was the offer to buy her breakfast.  Had he honored her role as a woman, he would have respected that it was her job to cook breakfast and do the dishes afterward.

For the life of me I cannot fathom how, or more correctly WHY someone being offered a job would respond by deliberately insulting someone...  It appears the young lady is/was being a tad too touchy..
2013-06-15 04:40:32 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: Religion of perpetual offense strikes again.


She's Christian?

/I kid
//All religions are whiny biatches
///But especially the Jebus felaters in 'Merca.
2013-06-15 04:36:36 PM  
1 votes:

TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika


And we're supposed to know that's a Muslim name how? If I didn't see her picture, I'd figure she was African-American.
2013-06-15 04:26:18 PM  
1 votes:

AcesFull: megarian: lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?

Um. Wrong thread? Too much vodak? What happened here?


 This reminds me of the coleslaw thread...Pineapple or not.   And I posted an in depth recounting of the time Jerry Garcia kicked me in the face....


What kind of barbarian puts pinapple in coleslaw?
2013-06-15 04:22:33 PM  
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.



What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?
2013-06-15 04:13:05 PM  
1 votes:

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?


Her name just might have been a clue.
2013-06-15 04:07:10 PM  
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Mugato: TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!

That's what I said. Tastes like the real thing, at least to me. Had some for breakfast today.

Does it?


No. It's not real bacon. If you can take it as its own thing, it's fine. But as bacon? No.
2013-06-15 04:00:37 PM  
1 votes:
If your religion prohibits Bacon it's obviously a false one. Sorry to tell you that.

Baconism is the one true path to Bacon heaven.
2013-06-15 03:57:39 PM  
1 votes:

Kyosuke: 'Being offended an asshole' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended an asshole? Don't choose to be.


/fixed
//seriously, how difficult is it to think before you open your gullet?
2013-06-15 03:57:39 PM  
1 votes:
bmihura: TV's Vinnie: bmihura: Enough with the UK links.

Apparently, the Daily Mail pays Drew a sh*ton of euros to keep the links flowing.

THE SPICE LINKS MUST FLOW!

OK, that makes sense. Fark would be so much better without all the UK FEATURED links though.

/FTFM
2013-06-15 03:53:40 PM  
1 votes:

lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?


Uh, wait, what?
2013-06-15 03:43:12 PM  
1 votes:

Kyosuke: 'Being offended' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.


My. God. What. A. Ridiculous. Comment.

Do you just repeat the 'cool' stuff you've read online?!

You're also 'vegan', aren't you? (No offense to real vegans).

I've been on Fark for quite a while, but you, Sir (Madam?) take the cake with that comment.
2013-06-15 03:41:43 PM  
1 votes:
This racist bullshiat against Muslims is getting old.

They are the most peaceful people on the planet and never do harm to anyone, especially their own people. (unlike Americans).

History supports this fact.

In the rare instance when a radical Muslim does something stupid, 'real' Muslims are always the first ones to denounce them publicly.
2013-06-15 03:39:59 PM  
1 votes:
When I was laid up after a hospitalization, my Muslim neighbor kindly offered to pick me up a pizza while she was out. Without thinking, I asked for one that included sausage. She asked if it had pork in it, and with an internal headsmack, I admitted that it did. Because she can't handle products with pork in them, I picked a different kind with all beef products for the meat, and apologized. After all, she was doing me a kindness. No need to be a jackass on either side.
2013-06-15 03:39:22 PM  
1 votes:
People!

People!

Can we focus on what's important here?

i.dailymail.co.uk
2013-06-15 03:35:30 PM  
1 votes:

Tellurium: JohnnyC: Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.

Yes, but racism is bad so anything that is bad must be racism.


Or maybe it's become shorthand for "ethnic or religious or racial prejudice".
2013-06-15 03:33:37 PM  
1 votes:

jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.


It depends on what interpretation on Islam the person follows. Just like Christianity there are fundamental, moderate and liberal interpretations. Some people believe it is a sin to drink any alcohol, some believe you can drink but not to intoxication, and some don't follow either of those.

Another thing is if you unknowingly offend somebody, and they bring it to your attention, then you apologize. You don't respond in the manner that this guy did. Doing so shows that you are an self absorbed asshole who probably will have problems working with others.

And for all of you that are saying how would he know she was Muslim, you can tell by looking at some people that there is a good chance that they are Muslim. And just like anybody else you should avoid saying things that would offend them.
2013-06-15 03:23:42 PM  
1 votes:
I think Stephen Fry said it best.

"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so farking what."

The recruiter was offended because she assumed that the guy knew that she was Muslim for whatever reason she had in her head. That is a dangerous, and stupid assumption to make. The guy apparently was confused because he didn't know what he did wrong. Then that confusion turned to frustration when he told them to sod off.

Know what, good for him. I would of told the company to sod off too because it sounds like they don't have good professional standards.
2013-06-15 03:20:48 PM  
1 votes:

lunkhed: 'Sod off'.

Offensive to sodomisers. Totally unacceptable to me and the organisation.


Is that what "sod" means in that context. I figure out the gist of it but never dug into the entomology.
2013-06-15 03:20:44 PM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.

And none of it would have happened if the British didn't let the Muslim infestation take place.  What kind of empty liquor bottle is that sitting in front of her?  I think I'll pin her down and fark her.  It isn't rape unless x number of people witness it right?  Yay Muslims!!  The watermelon-bacon analogy is as invalid as your arguments that I don't read.


You're a moron. I thought you should know that.
2013-06-15 03:16:30 PM  
1 votes:

rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.


The difference is.......... Wait for it.......... YOU CAN TELL WHAT COLOR A PERSON IS! You CANNOT tell what their religious belief is. GET IT?

/TVM
2013-06-15 03:13:25 PM  
1 votes:

Whatthefark: Was a simple "No thank you, I'm Muslim" to much for her?


My gf works at a corp with a lot of transplanted Indians (dot) and during one project she yelled "holy cow!" at an unexpected result.

She said they were confused and started asking questions like what does this mean, the holy cow you are yelling.
She said, "I'm not sure, really. It just means 'wow' here. Sorry."

Apparently, they laughed their asses off and now say "holy cow" all the time.
2013-06-15 03:07:02 PM  
1 votes:
I think even the Buddha facepalmed at that one and he wasn't even in the conversation.
2013-06-15 03:05:17 PM  
1 votes:
Part of the allure of the Cult of Bacon is that the the followers of The Prophet (peace be upon him) can't eat it. (Nyah nyah.)

But yeah, if he was offering to buy her lunch and shot out "bacon" as something he thought she might like, well... yeah. She might be being oversensitive, but if you meant no offense, then you lose nothing and gain everything by apologizing.
2013-06-15 03:04:24 PM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Obviously, it's time that we all started living in bubbles and never interacting with other people ever again.

/she could have not been a douche and said "I'm muslim, I don't eat pork.", which probably would have led him to say "Oh, sorry, my bad.", and the problem would have been solved. But, no, being an oversensitive douchette was her choice instead.


Where the hell did you learn to punctuate your sentences? Do you just shotgun stuff out there and hope it sticks?
2013-06-15 03:02:08 PM  
1 votes:

jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...
And she was talking to a non-related male. FOR SHAME!


If she's gonna be a puckerbutt muslim, then she has to obey the whole package.
2013-06-15 03:01:20 PM  
1 votes:

ThunderPelvis: Ah, swell, it's the daily Daily Fail anti-immigrant race-baiting article. Wouldn't want to miss a single line of THIS stellar journalism.


I read it. You can skip it. Don't worry, there's nothing of importance in the article.
2013-06-15 02:58:08 PM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: And none of it would have happened if the British didn't let the Muslim infestation take place.  What kind of empty liquor bottle is that sitting in front of her?  I think I'll pin her down and fark her.  It isn't rape unless x number of people witness it right?  Yay Muslims!!  The watermelon-bacon analogy is as invalid as your arguments that I don't read.


Yeah, this is going really well.
2013-06-15 02:57:25 PM  
1 votes:
a) it's funny that people are actually taking a Daily Mail article at face value (I mean c'mon guys, really?)

b) if youever accidentally offend someone at work for some stupid reason, please tell your supervisor to "fark off" instead of saying "oh hey no that's not what I meant at all, I'm very sorry there was truly no offense intended". I'm sure that will go over so well for your and your internet rage.
2013-06-15 02:56:21 PM  
1 votes:
Enough with the UK links.
2013-06-15 02:53:59 PM  
1 votes:

Slaxl: If he knew, or suspected she was Muslim and offered her the sandwich then he's a dick. Who goes straight to a bacon sandwich first?


Yeah, it did seem odd that he offered her that off the bat, based on how she looks and her name it is at least obvious that she is Middle Eastern/South Asian, so a little tact would have avoided this whole thing. Then again, bacon shouldn't be so offensive. Not really a fan of anyone involved, tbh.
2013-06-15 02:52:53 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Why would she think the guy was going to intentionally insult her after landing a job?

/is 1,000....whatevers/week a lot?


£ is 'pounds', right? If so, it's about $1500 a week. Which ain't too shabby.
2013-06-15 02:50:29 PM  
1 votes:
I find it offensive that so many people wont eat swine just because their invisible sky wizard doesn't allow it. Yeah it made sense to avoid it thousands of years ago when it was dirty and could make you sick, but technology has made it copacetic. It's less likely to make you sick than chicken and ground beef at this point.
2013-06-15 02:44:00 PM  
1 votes:

AcesFull: sammich....Sammich!!!!   dammit.   It's sammich.


In Chicago, it's a sangwich.
2013-06-15 02:39:11 PM  
1 votes:
Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.
2013-06-15 02:33:56 PM  
1 votes:
HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!
2013-06-15 12:43:21 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.

This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.


This being the Daily Fail, its probably a story about manatees with UFO encounters in Florida. But they needed to tart it up a bit for their reactionary readership.
2013-06-15 12:31:15 PM  
1 votes:
Eh, My penis would issue a fatwa and declare jihad on dat ass.

/"Sod Off" was a good reply. Of course, he could have been creative and said "I'm sorry she felt she had to take offense to a perfectly innocent comment, I hope the doctors can remove the stick from her rectum in a relatively painless manner."
2013-06-15 11:31:41 AM  
1 votes:

serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".


If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.
2013-06-15 11:24:20 AM  
1 votes:
You don't go to bacon until AFTER the first date.

/everybody knows that
2013-06-15 10:32:57 AM  
1 votes:
www.codinghorror.com

/ I salivated more over the sandwich photo than hers.
2013-06-15 10:29:36 AM  
1 votes:
But is she the kind of Muslim bombshell that goes off in a crowded marketplace?
2013-06-15 09:32:56 AM  
1 votes:
I'd offer her my salami...
 
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