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(Daily Mail)   Man loses job after telling his Muslim recruiter he'd treat her to a bacon sandwich. Bonus: She's a bombshell   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 308
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2013-06-15 03:07:02 PM
I think even the Buddha facepalmed at that one and he wasn't even in the conversation.
 
2013-06-15 03:08:07 PM

UnspokenVoice: FirstNationalBastard: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Obviously, it's time that we all started living in bubbles and never interacting with other people ever again.

/she could have not been a douche and said "I'm muslim, I don't eat pork.", which probably would have led him to say "Oh, sorry, my bad.", and the problem would have been solved. But, no, being an oversensitive douchette was her choice instead.

Where the hell did you learn to punctuate your sentences? Do you just shotgun stuff out there and hope it sticks?


No, I "believe" I learned. it in ä (school)...?
 
2013-06-15 03:12:53 PM

Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?


For the sake of argument, let's assume everything in the article is 100% true and not biased in any way (probably not the case, but not relevant to the point I'm making).

At what point do we need to say 'enough is enough' in terms of trying not to offend someone when the mere act of offering a 'thank you' gift becomes offensive?

Let's say that he had no clue she was Muslim, if bacon sandwiches are a common breakfast item in England, it's a safe assumption to make that the offer of one won't be taken offensively.  Yes, Muslims, Jews, and Vegetarians don't eat pork, but I've never met someone who's been offended by the offer of something that they don't eat - they just politely decline.  An offer in and of itself is a kindness, not an insult.
 
2013-06-15 03:13:25 PM

Whatthefark: Was a simple "No thank you, I'm Muslim" to much for her?


My gf works at a corp with a lot of transplanted Indians (dot) and during one project she yelled "holy cow!" at an unexpected result.

She said they were confused and started asking questions like what does this mean, the holy cow you are yelling.
She said, "I'm not sure, really. It just means 'wow' here. Sorry."

Apparently, they laughed their asses off and now say "holy cow" all the time.
 
2013-06-15 03:14:09 PM
Most religions have a laundry list of what their particular deity "likes" and "dislikes" - The all-powerful all-wise, all-just and all-knowing god is an extremely petty character.
Sort of like those big entertainers who have riders in their contract and dictators that ban silly things just because they can..
And you have to hate the same things to curry favor with him and get into heaven.
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The thing is, why do you worship such a silly god?
 
2013-06-15 03:15:03 PM
I once said "camel jockey" at work on accident. True story. I was talking to a Moroccan guy to boot. We were having a conversation about camel races. No one was offended, nothing happened and there is no point to this story.
 
2013-06-15 03:15:16 PM

TV's Vinnie: bmihura: Enough with the UK links.

Apparently, the Daily Mail pays Drew a sh*ton of euros to keep the links flowing.

THE SPICE LINKS MUST FLOW!


OK, that makes sense. Fark would be so much better without all the UK links though.
 
2013-06-15 03:16:04 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Most religions have a laundry list of what their particular deity "likes" and "dislikes" - The all-powerful all-wise, all-just and all-knowing god is an extremely petty character.
Sort of like those big entertainers who have riders in their contract and dictators that ban silly things just because they can..


Jesus insists on bowls full of only green M&Ms when the second coming happens.
 
2013-06-15 03:16:30 PM

rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.


The difference is.......... Wait for it.......... YOU CAN TELL WHAT COLOR A PERSON IS! You CANNOT tell what their religious belief is. GET IT?

/TVM
 
2013-06-15 03:16:49 PM
'Sod off'.

Offensive to sodomisers. Totally unacceptable to me and the organisation.
 
2013-06-15 03:16:57 PM

Mugato: TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!

That's what I said. Tastes like the real thing, at least to me. Had some for breakfast today.


I offered one some once. They still didn't want to eat it. Have to maintain appearances and all.

His deeply held religious beliefs didn't stop him from drinking and screwing though.
 
2013-06-15 03:17:30 PM

rumpelstiltskin: She's in the business of selling people. She told her superior, "Look, I think this guy might be defective."  Her superior followed up on it, and was told to sod off. Her superior concluded that the product was indeed defective, and withdrew it from the shelf.


Bingo.  To the staffing firm the guy isn't human.  They're in the "talent" business, not the people business.
 
2013-06-15 03:18:26 PM

ZAZ: He should have apologized and offered to make her a sandwich of Christian baby flesh.


I like that one.
 
2013-06-15 03:18:49 PM

ZAZ: He should have apologized and offered to make her a sandwich of Christian baby flesh.


Mmmmm, now I'm hungry.
 
2013-06-15 03:19:06 PM
  Wow!  Good times....Boneless ham is a direct quote from my ex's divorce petition..
 
2013-06-15 03:20:44 PM

armoredbulldozer: rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.

And none of it would have happened if the British didn't let the Muslim infestation take place.  What kind of empty liquor bottle is that sitting in front of her?  I think I'll pin her down and fark her.  It isn't rape unless x number of people witness it right?  Yay Muslims!!  The watermelon-bacon analogy is as invalid as your arguments that I don't read.


You're a moron. I thought you should know that.
 
2013-06-15 03:20:48 PM

lunkhed: 'Sod off'.

Offensive to sodomisers. Totally unacceptable to me and the organisation.


Is that what "sod" means in that context. I figure out the gist of it but never dug into the entomology.
 
2013-06-15 03:20:52 PM

rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."


I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"
 
2013-06-15 03:22:55 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"


"Just cuz I eat chicken and watermelon they think that something's wrong with me. Let me tell you somethin if you don't like chicken and watermelon, something is wrong with you, there is something wrong with you! Where are all these people who don't like Chicken and Watermelon? I'm sick of hearing about how bad it is, it's great! I'm waiting for Chicken to approach me to do a commercial nubian, I'll do it for free Chicken! It's the least I can do."
 
2013-06-15 03:22:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?

For the sake of argument, let's assume everything in the article is 100% true and not biased in any way (probably not the case, but not relevant to the point I'm making).

At what point do we need to say 'enough is enough' in terms of trying not to offend someone when the mere act of offering a 'thank you' gift becomes offensive?

Let's say that he had no clue she was Muslim, if bacon sandwiches are a common breakfast item in England, it's a safe assumption to make that the offer of one won't be taken offensively.  Yes, Muslims, Jews, and Vegetarians don't eat pork, but I've never met someone who's been offended by the offer of something that they don't eat - they just politely decline.  An offer in and of itself is a kindness, not an insult.


The problem with your statement is that the guy actually had the opportunity to walk it back and say "I'm sorry, I didn't realize she was Muslim, and no offense was meant." Instead, he got into an argument and ended the conversation by telling them to, basically, fark off. It's one thing to make an innocent mistake, it's another to double-down and tell somebody to fark off because *you* screwed up.
 
2013-06-15 03:23:42 PM
I think Stephen Fry said it best.

"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so farking what."

The recruiter was offended because she assumed that the guy knew that she was Muslim for whatever reason she had in her head. That is a dangerous, and stupid assumption to make. The guy apparently was confused because he didn't know what he did wrong. Then that confusion turned to frustration when he told them to sod off.

Know what, good for him. I would of told the company to sod off too because it sounds like they don't have good professional standards.
 
2013-06-15 03:24:01 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"


I'm just wondering why he would tell a random black person he would bring a watermelon to their picnic.

How does he know they're having a picnic? Does he just assume black people's lives are full of picnics?
 
2013-06-15 03:24:45 PM
Sales 101.  Don't talk yourself out of the sale.

If things are going well, nod and STFU.
 
2013-06-15 03:30:25 PM
Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail
 
2013-06-15 03:30:38 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"

I'm just wondering why he would tell a random black person he would bring a watermelon to their picnic.

How does he know they're having a picnic? Does he just assume black people's lives are full of picnics?


Any excuse we can get to have a picnic, we have one.  Someone's got a watermelon?  Ok, it's picnic time!
 
2013-06-15 03:31:04 PM

JohnnyC: Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.


Yes, but racism is bad so anything that is bad must be racism.
 
2013-06-15 03:31:29 PM

YoungLochinvar: TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?

For the sake of argument, let's assume everything in the article is 100% true and not biased in any way (probably not the case, but not relevant to the point I'm making).

At what point do we need to say 'enough is enough' in terms of trying not to offend someone when the mere act of offering a 'thank you' gift becomes offensive?

Let's say that he had no clue she was Muslim, if bacon sandwiches are a common breakfast item in England, it's a safe assumption to make that the offer of one won't be taken offensively.  Yes, Muslims, Jews, and Vegetarians don't eat pork, but I've never met someone who's been offended by the offer of something that they don't eat - they just politely decline.  An offer in and of itself is a kindness, not an insult.

The problem with your statement is that the guy actually had the opportunity to walk it back and say "I'm sorry, I didn't realize she was Muslim, and no offense was meant." Instead, he got into an argument and ended the conversation by telling them to, basically, fark off. It's one thing to make an innocent mistake, it's another to double-down and tell somebody to fark off because *you* screwed up.


I agree the 'sod off' comment was ill-advised, and likely the one that really got him into trouble.  I can also see it from his POV however that he felt he did nothing wrong, and was insulted for being chastised for making an innocent offer.  So, he had to either swallow his pride and make an apology, or stand his ground for what he believed.  He chose the latter and paid the consequences, and I can respect that.  The whole thing wouldn't have come to a head however if the lady had just mentioned to him that she didn't eat bacon after he offered instead of running behind his back to tell someone else.
 
2013-06-15 03:32:20 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: FirstNationalBastard: Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"

I'm just wondering why he would tell a random black person he would bring a watermelon to their picnic.

How does he know they're having a picnic? Does he just assume black people's lives are full of picnics?

Any excuse we can get to have a picnic, we have one.  Someone's got a watermelon?  Ok, it's picnic time!


So by offering random black people a watermelon, he is not being racist, but helping to facilitate the creation of picnics?

I can live with that.
 
2013-06-15 03:33:37 PM

jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.


It depends on what interpretation on Islam the person follows. Just like Christianity there are fundamental, moderate and liberal interpretations. Some people believe it is a sin to drink any alcohol, some believe you can drink but not to intoxication, and some don't follow either of those.

Another thing is if you unknowingly offend somebody, and they bring it to your attention, then you apologize. You don't respond in the manner that this guy did. Doing so shows that you are an self absorbed asshole who probably will have problems working with others.

And for all of you that are saying how would he know she was Muslim, you can tell by looking at some people that there is a good chance that they are Muslim. And just like anybody else you should avoid saying things that would offend them.
 
2013-06-15 03:35:07 PM
fark.com 301 redirect to dailymail.com
 
2013-06-15 03:35:30 PM

Tellurium: JohnnyC: Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.

Yes, but racism is bad so anything that is bad must be racism.


Or maybe it's become shorthand for "ethnic or religious or racial prejudice".
 
2013-06-15 03:35:48 PM

ongbok: jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.

It depends on what interpretation on Islam the person follows. Just like Christianity there are fundamental, moderate and liberal interpretations. Some people believe it is a sin to drink any alcohol, some believe you can drink but not to intoxication, and some don't follow either of those.

Another thing is if you unknowingly offend somebody, and they bring it to your attention, then you apologize. You don't respond in the manner that this guy did. Doing so shows that you are an self absorbed asshole who probably will have problems working with others.


Ah, but she didn't bring it to his attention. She went to her boss to complain. If she had brought it directly to his attention, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

/of course, that's assuming this article is even real.
//I've got a watermelon, who wants to have a picnic?
 
2013-06-15 03:38:25 PM

jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail


I'm Canadian and we have bacon sandwiches here. Toppings just come after. "I'll get you a hamburger" is just short form for "I'll get you a hamburger with bacon, cheese, ketchup, pickles, lettuce, three extra patties, and vanilla sauce."

Also, it's bacon. You could put bacon on anything.
 
2013-06-15 03:38:43 PM
I think this woman should be fired for refusing a bacon sandwich!!!!!
 
2013-06-15 03:39:22 PM
People!

People!

Can we focus on what's important here?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-06-15 03:39:32 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ongbok: jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.

It depends on what interpretation on Islam the person follows. Just like Christianity there are fundamental, moderate and liberal interpretations. Some people believe it is a sin to drink any alcohol, some believe you can drink but not to intoxication, and some don't follow either of those.

Another thing is if you unknowingly offend somebody, and they bring it to your attention, then you apologize. You don't respond in the manner that this guy did. Doing so shows that you are an self absorbed asshole who probably will have problems working with others.

Ah, but she didn't bring it to his attention. She went to her boss to complain. If she had brought it directly to his attention, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

/of course, that's assuming this article is even real.
//I've got a watermelon, who wants to have a picnic?


So why then did he tell her supervisor to sod off instead of explaining to him that he didn't mean it and offering an apology?

Whether he was trying to offend her or not, the guy is a defective person and they didn't want anything to do with him.
 
2013-06-15 03:39:59 PM
When I was laid up after a hospitalization, my Muslim neighbor kindly offered to pick me up a pizza while she was out. Without thinking, I asked for one that included sausage. She asked if it had pork in it, and with an internal headsmack, I admitted that it did. Because she can't handle products with pork in them, I picked a different kind with all beef products for the meat, and apologized. After all, she was doing me a kindness. No need to be a jackass on either side.
 
2013-06-15 03:40:11 PM
1. Sue the coont for discriminatory hiring.2. Profit!
 
2013-06-15 03:41:43 PM
This racist bullshiat against Muslims is getting old.

They are the most peaceful people on the planet and never do harm to anyone, especially their own people. (unlike Americans).

History supports this fact.

In the rare instance when a radical Muslim does something stupid, 'real' Muslims are always the first ones to denounce them publicly.
 
2013-06-15 03:42:40 PM
That sandwich looks pretty good.
 
PKY
2013-06-15 03:43:11 PM
He should have claimed that having the interview with a female Muslim offended him, and that the company for religious reasons needed to let him to take the meeting with a Christian man instead.
 
2013-06-15 03:43:12 PM

Kyosuke: 'Being offended' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.


My. God. What. A. Ridiculous. Comment.

Do you just repeat the 'cool' stuff you've read online?!

You're also 'vegan', aren't you? (No offense to real vegans).

I've been on Fark for quite a while, but you, Sir (Madam?) take the cake with that comment.
 
2013-06-15 03:46:03 PM

FloydA: propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.

This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.


Given its the Daily Mail, I am now questioning both the existence of Muslims and bacon.

NO BACON??? DAMN YOU, DAILY MAIL
 
2013-06-15 03:46:45 PM
She doesn't eat bacon???

When they were handing out religions, she must have been taking a whizz.
 
2013-06-15 03:46:52 PM

jaytkay: Tellurium: JohnnyC: Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.

Yes, but racism is bad so anything that is bad must be racism.

Or maybe it's become shorthand for "ethnic or religious or racial prejudice".


I'm not denying that that is happening, it's just a sloppy intellectual practice. Racism and religious intolerance are wrong for different reasons so if you confound the two the situation isn't going to be dealt with properly.
 
2013-06-15 03:47:05 PM

gilgigamesh: FloydA: propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.

This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.

Given its the Daily Mail, I am now questioning both the existence of Muslims and bacon.

NO BACON??? DAMN YOU, DAILY MAIL


I think bacon exists, but it's made from soy.
 
2013-06-15 03:48:03 PM
Would she have complained about sexual harassment if he had offered her toad-in-the-hole?

images.media-allrecipes.com
 
2013-06-15 03:48:32 PM
How long until this man and everyone he cares about is blown up in a suicide-style attack?
 
2013-06-15 03:49:48 PM
Being that you could see her face there's no way to tell she's Muslim.

He's going to make out like a king after some group takes his side. He might just be the face the British Bacon Council needs.

Think I'm kidding about a Bacon Council? There's a Pork Pie Producers Association.
 
2013-06-15 03:50:40 PM
Can't you also be fired for calling a Muslim woman a bombshell?
 
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