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(Daily Mail)   Man loses job after telling his Muslim recruiter he'd treat her to a bacon sandwich. Bonus: She's a bombshell   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 308
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2013-06-15 09:32:56 AM
I'd offer her my salami...
 
2013-06-15 09:55:15 AM
Bad headline grammar makes baby Muhammad cry.
 
2013-06-15 09:59:01 AM
The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!
 
2013-06-15 10:04:38 AM
subs likes snorkels
 
2013-06-15 10:29:36 AM
But is she the kind of Muslim bombshell that goes off in a crowded marketplace?
 
2013-06-15 10:32:57 AM
www.codinghorror.com

/ I salivated more over the sandwich photo than hers.
 
2013-06-15 10:42:03 AM
I'll take the aisle seat.
 
2013-06-15 10:47:27 AM
It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.
 
2013-06-15 10:58:41 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.


I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".
 
2013-06-15 11:02:32 AM
This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.
 
2013-06-15 11:13:51 AM
Ok, ok... no bacon sammich

/how about ham?
 
2013-06-15 11:24:20 AM
You don't go to bacon until AFTER the first date.

/everybody knows that
 
2013-06-15 11:27:09 AM
Ah, swell, it's the daily Daily Fail anti-immigrant race-baiting article. Wouldn't want to miss a single line of THIS stellar journalism.
 
2013-06-15 11:31:41 AM

serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".


If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.
 
2013-06-15 11:36:04 AM
'Being offended' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.
 
2013-06-15 11:39:35 AM
I'd put my sausage in her ham wallet.
 
2013-06-15 11:59:06 AM
She's the one who should lose her job.  If she didn't want the bacon butty, she should have said no thank you.  That's the way civilized people behave.
 
2013-06-15 12:01:28 PM

propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.


ThunderPelvis: Ah, swell, it's the daily Daily Fail anti-immigrant race-baiting article. Wouldn't want to miss a single line of THIS stellar journalism.

 
2013-06-15 12:04:34 PM
I'd put my shofar in her mezuzah.

Oh great. Now I've managed to piss off Jews and Muslims.
 
2013-06-15 12:05:56 PM
Did someone say "Bombshell"?

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-06-15 12:06:46 PM

gilgigamesh: I'd put my shofar in her mezuzah.

Oh great. Now I've managed to piss off Jews and Muslims.


I could do that in 3 words.

"I'd pork her."
 
2013-06-15 12:08:39 PM

propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.


This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.
 
2013-06-15 12:15:28 PM
I wonder how she feels about Italian Sausage.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-15 12:26:32 PM
He should have apologized and offered to make her a sandwich of Christian baby flesh.
 
2013-06-15 12:28:30 PM
Lighten up, Princess Jasmine.

They do make turkey bacon, you know.
 
2013-06-15 12:31:15 PM
Eh, My penis would issue a fatwa and declare jihad on dat ass.

/"Sod Off" was a good reply. Of course, he could have been creative and said "I'm sorry she felt she had to take offense to a perfectly innocent comment, I hope the doctors can remove the stick from her rectum in a relatively painless manner."
 
2013-06-15 12:40:51 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?


Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.
 
2013-06-15 12:42:03 PM

Kyosuke: 'Being offended' is a choice a person makes. Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.



Being rude is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be rude? Don't choose to be.

Don't ASSUME.
 
2013-06-15 12:43:18 PM
Why would she think the guy was going to intentionally insult her after landing a job?

/is 1,000....whatevers/week a lot?
 
2013-06-15 12:43:21 PM

FloydA: propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.

This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.


This being the Daily Fail, its probably a story about manatees with UFO encounters in Florida. But they needed to tart it up a bit for their reactionary readership.
 
2013-06-15 12:47:43 PM

RedPhoenix122: gilgigamesh: I'd put my shofar in her mezuzah.

Oh great. Now I've managed to piss off Jews and Muslims.

I could do that in 3 words.

"I'd pork her."


lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-06-15 12:48:19 PM

Mugato: Why would she think the guy was going to intentionally insult her after landing a job?

/is 1,000....whatevers/week a lot?


Because being a victim is FUN
 
2013-06-15 12:49:14 PM

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Obviously, it's time that we all started living in bubbles and never interacting with other people ever again.

/she could have not been a douche and said "I'm muslim, I don't eat pork.", which probably would have led him to say "Oh, sorry, my bad.", and the problem would have been solved. But, no, being an oversensitive douchette was her choice instead.
 
2013-06-15 12:51:51 PM

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


She could have also just said to him 'Thank you for the offer, but I'm Muslim and I don't eat pork (or just told him she didn't eat pork without going into why)" at which point he would have likely offered to bring something else for her instead.  She didn't need to go complain to his superiors about what was essentially a friendly offer to bring breakfast.

Whenever I've went somewhere with coworkers there's never been a Q&A session beforehand of what each person can and can't eat, if you have an issue with where everyone's going, you're expected to speak up.
 
2013-06-15 12:52:54 PM
It would have been racist to look at her and just assume she was a Muslim.  Dumb coont.
 
2013-06-15 01:17:26 PM

Altair: It would have been racist to look at her and just assume she was a Muslim.  Dumb coont.


This article has that air of "Fake Daily Mail 'journalism' about it".
 
2013-06-15 01:27:34 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

She could have also just said to him 'Thank you for the offer, but I'm Muslim and I don't eat pork (or just told him she didn't eat pork without going into why)" at which point he would have likely offered to bring something else for her instead.  She didn't need to go complain to his superiors about what was essentially a friendly offer to bring breakfast.

Whenever I've went somewhere with coworkers there's never been a Q&A session beforehand of what each person can and can't eat, if you have an issue with where everyone's going, you're expected to speak up.


I didn't read that she complained to his superiors. I read that she complained to her superiors.
She's in the business of selling people. She told her superior, "Look, I think this guy might be defective."  Her superior followed up on it, and was told to sod off. Her superior concluded that the product was indeed defective, and withdrew it from the shelf.
It doesn't even matter whether or not she "chose", as some have put it, to be offended. What matters is that the guy is a dick.
 
2013-06-15 01:38:07 PM
Nice beak.
 
2013-06-15 01:42:30 PM
Heh, reminds me of a girl I dated. In the car after a couple of drinks, I asked her if she wanted to spank my monkey.

How was I to know she was a member of PETA?

biatch.
 
2013-06-15 01:50:37 PM

RoyBatty: Heh, reminds me of a girl I dated. In the car after a couple of drinks, I asked her if she wanted to spank my monkey.

How was I to know she was a member of PETA?

biatch.


www.ausmotive.com
 
2013-06-15 01:52:20 PM

FloydA: propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.

This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.


Paul Dacre: Bringing us the best of Mein Kampf and Us Weekly in one easy pamphlet.
 
2013-06-15 02:10:59 PM
Religious people are lame.  She should be taken out of her position for being so petty, however, being petty is what young women do best.
 
2013-06-15 02:21:04 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".


Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?
 
2013-06-15 02:23:01 PM
Oh. The Daily Mail.

Yeah. I'm SURE that's exactly what happened.
 
2013-06-15 02:25:39 PM

Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?


Can't I have my blind outrage without you wanting to make me see other sides of debates?
 
2013-06-15 02:30:49 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?

Can't I have my blind outrage without you wanting to make me see other sides of debates?


IKR
 
2013-06-15 02:33:56 PM
HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!
 
2013-06-15 02:35:53 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!


I think you hit the nail on the head. Both parties got their knickers in a twist, and neither would be the first one to humble themselves with an apology. Since he's the one that wanted the job, he should have started it.

"I am so sorry, I had no idea. I can see how that could have been misconstrued. How can I make this right?"

Pride comes before a fall.
 
2013-06-15 02:36:20 PM

ThunderPelvis: Ah, swell, it's the daily Daily Fail anti-immigrant race-baiting article. Wouldn't want to miss a single line of THIS stellar journalism.


The comments tell you everything you need to know about this bastion of Journalism. Makes Fox Nation look good.
 
2013-06-15 02:36:48 PM
  sammich....Sammich!!!!   dammit.   It's sammich.
 
2013-06-15 02:37:24 PM

TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!


That's what I said. Tastes like the real thing, at least to me. Had some for breakfast today.
 
2013-06-15 02:38:30 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!

I think you hit the nail on the head. Both parties got their knickers in a twist, and neither would be the first one to humble themselves with an apology. Since he's the one that wanted the job, he should have started it.

"I am so sorry, I had no idea. I can see how that could have been misconstrued. How can I make this right?"

Pride comes before a fall.


I quoted the wrong person, in case anyone looks at this and doesn't know WTF I'm talking about.

/sod off
 
2013-06-15 02:39:11 PM
Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.
 
2013-06-15 02:39:51 PM
Religion of perpetual offense strikes again.
 
PKY
2013-06-15 02:41:40 PM
Minorities are humorless and oversensitive.
 
2013-06-15 02:42:55 PM
She's a coont.

Just say "no, I don't eat bacon, thanks."

Instead cost the guy the job.

fark her.
 
2013-06-15 02:43:03 PM
So how would he know she was a muslim? They probably never discussed religion as part of his interview.

/how come it tries to correct "muslim" as "Muslim" but does not try to correct "christian" into "Christian"?
 
2013-06-15 02:43:59 PM

MadSkillz: Altair: It would have been racist to look at her and just assume she was a Muslim.  Dumb coont.

This article has that air of "Fake Daily Mail 'journalism' about it".


It's the Daily Mail. Words like fake are kind of extraneous.
 
2013-06-15 02:44:00 PM

AcesFull: sammich....Sammich!!!!   dammit.   It's sammich.


In Chicago, it's a sangwich.
 
2013-06-15 02:45:13 PM
How about when they approached him about the situation he realized that it was gonna be more of the same no matter what he did,so "sod off!"
 
2013-06-15 02:46:04 PM
Was a simple "No thank you, I'm Muslim" to much for her?
 
2013-06-15 02:46:26 PM

PKY: Minorities are humorless and oversensitive.


Take is easy there Adolf, this chick is a whiny douche, but don't act like crackers are above getting offended.
 
2013-06-15 02:46:31 PM

born_yesterday: propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.

ThunderPelvis: Ah, swell, it's the daily Daily Fail anti-immigrant race-baiting article. Wouldn't want to miss a single line of THIS stellar journalism.


I bet this never happened and things like it never do. Ever.

/this is a vast right-wing conspiracy.
 
2013-06-15 02:46:36 PM

rumpelstiltskin: If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.


I'm sorry, but that's farking BS. People should be allowed to say things. Have we gotten so uptight that one has to analyze every single word that comes out of their mouth in fear that it could offend a million kind of people in a million ways? Fark that. How about grow some thicker skin, starting acting like an adult, and realize you do not have the right to keep your feelings from getting hurt. I'll say what I want. You can say what you want. And we'll both understand they're just words. Farking words. Get the fark over yourselves and stop getting offended that someone randomly mentioned a food your religion finds offensive.

That man was ENTIRELY right to tell them to sod off. They're acting like spoiled 8 year olds on the play ground after being called names. Stop crying about mistaken insults and just brush it off like adults are supposed to.
 
2013-06-15 02:47:37 PM
It's quite simple. If he knew, or suspected she was Muslim and offered her the sandwich then he's a dick. Who goes straight to a bacon sandwich first? That's not a normal thank you offer. Flowers, chocolate, wine, or some offer of general food "lunch", "dinner", are what people say, no one jumps straight in to a specific foodtype, let alone to bacon when the person happens to be muslim. So I suspect he knew and said it deliberately, hopefully as a joke, because why would he want to wind up the person who got him a job?

However there's the possibility that he didn't know, and was just a genial old man trying to be nice, in which case she should have responded with a "no thanks", and left it there. If that is the case then he doesn't owe her an apology. Taking offence to an innocuous remark, or even a joke is a product of a poor personality. Taking offence to a deliberate slight is a different matter, though still rather pointless.

I am just going to assume both were in the wrong, if any of this story is true.
 
2013-06-15 02:47:54 PM
The guy made an innocuous remark and a member of a religion not noted for tolerance took offense.  Is no one allowed to even mention bacon in their presence?

I once had to fire a woman who worked for me for something that really was offensive.  She was on the phone with a customer who everyone knew to be a devout Jew.  She was having some sort of problem with him, which in and of itself revealed a problem with her since no one in the company had ever had any difficulty with him as a customer before.  But, when she closed the phone call with. "Eat pork and die!" and then slammed the phone down, there was no choice but to fire her.  When a witness told me about it and I subsequently confronted her, she was pretty pleased with herself.

I suppose if Mr. Hunt had said that to Ms. Sacranie, he would have been summarily beheaded.
 
2013-06-15 02:48:06 PM
Stupid coont shouldn't be uin a position of hiring if she can't keep her religion out of business. Sounds like she is a real biatch to work for if she is that hyper-sensitive. Sadly the dude has zero recourse because he was to be a contractor, but that woman is not someone I would want to work for.

/fark? Sure. But not work with
 
2013-06-15 02:49:55 PM

Kyosuke: 'Being offended' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.


"Reject the sense of injury, and you reject the injury itself."
-- Marcus Aurelius
 
2013-06-15 02:50:09 PM

rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.


And none of it would have happened if the British didn't let the Muslim infestation take place.  What kind of empty liquor bottle is that sitting in front of her?  I think I'll pin her down and fark her.  It isn't rape unless x number of people witness it right?  Yay Muslims!!  The watermelon-bacon analogy is as invalid as your arguments that I don't read.
 
2013-06-15 02:50:29 PM
I find it offensive that so many people wont eat swine just because their invisible sky wizard doesn't allow it. Yeah it made sense to avoid it thousands of years ago when it was dirty and could make you sick, but technology has made it copacetic. It's less likely to make you sick than chicken and ground beef at this point.
 
2013-06-15 02:50:33 PM

Mugato: TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!

That's what I said. Tastes like the real thing, at least to me. Had some for breakfast today.


BLASPHEMY!
 
2013-06-15 02:50:35 PM
I would stick it so far into her Koran.

But yeah, that was a biatchy thing to do.
 
2013-06-15 02:50:39 PM
How is it even supposed to be common knowledge that Muslims (assuming she had a badge that said "Hi, I'm Muslim!) don't eat pork? The guy's a 58 year old computer nerd. Maybe that never occurred to him.
 
2013-06-15 02:51:05 PM
I guess if she was the first woman I saw after doing 15 years in the Kingston Penitentiary, I'd think she was a bombshell.
 
2013-06-15 02:52:23 PM

TheJoe03: I find it offensive that so many people wont eat swine just because their invisible sky wizard doesn't allow it. Yeah it made sense to avoid it thousands of years ago when it was dirty and could make you sick, but technology has made it copacetic. It's less likely to make you sick than chicken and ground beef at this point.


If Muslims would only taste the wonder that is Bacon, they wouldn't be so willing to blow things up.

/now THAT'S the kind of thing someone should take offense at!
 
2013-06-15 02:52:52 PM

Whatthefark: Was a simple "No thank you, I'm Muslim" to much for her?


I don't see how that would have ruined the infidel's life.
 
2013-06-15 02:52:53 PM

Mugato: Why would she think the guy was going to intentionally insult her after landing a job?

/is 1,000....whatevers/week a lot?


£ is 'pounds', right? If so, it's about $1500 a week. Which ain't too shabby.
 
2013-06-15 02:53:20 PM
rumpelstiltskin: [if I said]  "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.

So, you'd tell the guy to sod off if he was angry that you had intentionally slurred him, but if you innocently offended him, you'd wring your hands and grovel.

Okey dokey then.
 
2013-06-15 02:53:20 PM
If it was so offensive, how is it you're uncovered biatch? Your family must be frothing at seeing you parade yourself around like a common harlot.
 
2013-06-15 02:53:27 PM

Hoopy Frood: AcesFull: sammich....Sammich!!!!   dammit.   It's sammich.

In Chicago, it's a sangwich.



  and New Yawk...GoodFellows....Alright Vinnie,that's it..you're getting fat...Starting tomorrow,its gonna be sangwiches..
 
2013-06-15 02:53:59 PM

Slaxl: If he knew, or suspected she was Muslim and offered her the sandwich then he's a dick. Who goes straight to a bacon sandwich first?


Yeah, it did seem odd that he offered her that off the bat, based on how she looks and her name it is at least obvious that she is Middle Eastern/South Asian, so a little tact would have avoided this whole thing. Then again, bacon shouldn't be so offensive. Not really a fan of anyone involved, tbh.
 
2013-06-15 02:55:33 PM
Not america who cares. ...needs eruo tag
 
2013-06-15 02:56:21 PM
Enough with the UK links.
 
2013-06-15 02:56:28 PM
English people talk funny
 
2013-06-15 02:57:21 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!


I guess he should have just stereotyped her. Except for when she doesn't want to be stereotyped.

fark that biatch. She might be hot but she's still a biatch.
 
2013-06-15 02:57:25 PM
a) it's funny that people are actually taking a Daily Mail article at face value (I mean c'mon guys, really?)

b) if youever accidentally offend someone at work for some stupid reason, please tell your supervisor to "fark off" instead of saying "oh hey no that's not what I meant at all, I'm very sorry there was truly no offense intended". I'm sure that will go over so well for your and your internet rage.
 
PKY
2013-06-15 02:57:41 PM
So this pork is bad-thing comes from the days when many people died from poor hygiene etc so the leaders told the people God didn't want them to eat it? So why is this delusion still present today among educated people supposedly knowing better? It's almost as stupid as present day foreskin circumcision.
 
2013-06-15 02:57:47 PM
Probably an attempt to cover up an age discrimination case. This was probably the first time they'd seen him face to face.
 
2013-06-15 02:58:08 PM

armoredbulldozer: And none of it would have happened if the British didn't let the Muslim infestation take place.  What kind of empty liquor bottle is that sitting in front of her?  I think I'll pin her down and fark her.  It isn't rape unless x number of people witness it right?  Yay Muslims!!  The watermelon-bacon analogy is as invalid as your arguments that I don't read.


Yeah, this is going really well.
 
2013-06-15 02:58:12 PM

Mugato: TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!

That's what I said. Tastes like the real thing, at least to me. Had some for breakfast today.


Does it?

I bought some from Costco, felt guilty about it nevertheless, yeah fark me, I was embarrassed to buy turkey bacon, fried it up, and sort of thought, meh, this can't be the taste of what drives the planet insane.... Went back to frying up the Costco Hebrew National Salami into my scrambled eggs (also from Costco).
 
2013-06-15 03:00:43 PM

IgG4: I'd offer her my salami...


I would pork the Hell out of that woman.
 
2013-06-15 03:01:20 PM

ThunderPelvis: Ah, swell, it's the daily Daily Fail anti-immigrant race-baiting article. Wouldn't want to miss a single line of THIS stellar journalism.


I read it. You can skip it. Don't worry, there's nothing of importance in the article.
 
2013-06-15 03:02:08 PM

jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...
And she was talking to a non-related male. FOR SHAME!


If she's gonna be a puckerbutt muslim, then she has to obey the whole package.
 
2013-06-15 03:03:19 PM

bmihura: Enough with the UK links.


Apparently, the Daily Mail pays Drew a sh*ton of euros to keep the links flowing.

THE SPICE LINKS MUST FLOW!
 
2013-06-15 03:04:22 PM
O.K. calling someone a raghead is racists and so is offering to bring bacon sarnies into work as a breakfast pot luck.  I can see how they are on the same level.
 
2013-06-15 03:04:24 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Obviously, it's time that we all started living in bubbles and never interacting with other people ever again.

/she could have not been a douche and said "I'm muslim, I don't eat pork.", which probably would have led him to say "Oh, sorry, my bad.", and the problem would have been solved. But, no, being an oversensitive douchette was her choice instead.


Where the hell did you learn to punctuate your sentences? Do you just shotgun stuff out there and hope it sticks?
 
2013-06-15 03:05:11 PM

propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.


I wouldn't believe these pricks if they said water was wet.
 
2013-06-15 03:05:17 PM
Part of the allure of the Cult of Bacon is that the the followers of The Prophet (peace be upon him) can't eat it. (Nyah nyah.)

But yeah, if he was offering to buy her lunch and shot out "bacon" as something he thought she might like, well... yeah. She might be being oversensitive, but if you meant no offense, then you lose nothing and gain everything by apologizing.
 
2013-06-15 03:05:25 PM

bearded clamorer: Nice beak.


This.

/My religion permits me to eat poultry.
 
2013-06-15 03:05:33 PM
Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.
 
2013-06-15 03:07:02 PM
I think even the Buddha facepalmed at that one and he wasn't even in the conversation.
 
2013-06-15 03:08:07 PM

UnspokenVoice: FirstNationalBastard: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Obviously, it's time that we all started living in bubbles and never interacting with other people ever again.

/she could have not been a douche and said "I'm muslim, I don't eat pork.", which probably would have led him to say "Oh, sorry, my bad.", and the problem would have been solved. But, no, being an oversensitive douchette was her choice instead.

Where the hell did you learn to punctuate your sentences? Do you just shotgun stuff out there and hope it sticks?


No, I "believe" I learned. it in ä (school)...?
 
2013-06-15 03:12:53 PM

Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?


For the sake of argument, let's assume everything in the article is 100% true and not biased in any way (probably not the case, but not relevant to the point I'm making).

At what point do we need to say 'enough is enough' in terms of trying not to offend someone when the mere act of offering a 'thank you' gift becomes offensive?

Let's say that he had no clue she was Muslim, if bacon sandwiches are a common breakfast item in England, it's a safe assumption to make that the offer of one won't be taken offensively.  Yes, Muslims, Jews, and Vegetarians don't eat pork, but I've never met someone who's been offended by the offer of something that they don't eat - they just politely decline.  An offer in and of itself is a kindness, not an insult.
 
2013-06-15 03:13:25 PM

Whatthefark: Was a simple "No thank you, I'm Muslim" to much for her?


My gf works at a corp with a lot of transplanted Indians (dot) and during one project she yelled "holy cow!" at an unexpected result.

She said they were confused and started asking questions like what does this mean, the holy cow you are yelling.
She said, "I'm not sure, really. It just means 'wow' here. Sorry."

Apparently, they laughed their asses off and now say "holy cow" all the time.
 
2013-06-15 03:14:09 PM
Most religions have a laundry list of what their particular deity "likes" and "dislikes" - The all-powerful all-wise, all-just and all-knowing god is an extremely petty character.
Sort of like those big entertainers who have riders in their contract and dictators that ban silly things just because they can..
And you have to hate the same things to curry favor with him and get into heaven.
s14.postimg.org
The thing is, why do you worship such a silly god?
 
2013-06-15 03:15:03 PM
I once said "camel jockey" at work on accident. True story. I was talking to a Moroccan guy to boot. We were having a conversation about camel races. No one was offended, nothing happened and there is no point to this story.
 
2013-06-15 03:15:16 PM

TV's Vinnie: bmihura: Enough with the UK links.

Apparently, the Daily Mail pays Drew a sh*ton of euros to keep the links flowing.

THE SPICE LINKS MUST FLOW!


OK, that makes sense. Fark would be so much better without all the UK links though.
 
2013-06-15 03:16:04 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Most religions have a laundry list of what their particular deity "likes" and "dislikes" - The all-powerful all-wise, all-just and all-knowing god is an extremely petty character.
Sort of like those big entertainers who have riders in their contract and dictators that ban silly things just because they can..


Jesus insists on bowls full of only green M&Ms when the second coming happens.
 
2013-06-15 03:16:30 PM

rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.


The difference is.......... Wait for it.......... YOU CAN TELL WHAT COLOR A PERSON IS! You CANNOT tell what their religious belief is. GET IT?

/TVM
 
2013-06-15 03:16:49 PM
'Sod off'.

Offensive to sodomisers. Totally unacceptable to me and the organisation.
 
2013-06-15 03:16:57 PM

Mugato: TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!

That's what I said. Tastes like the real thing, at least to me. Had some for breakfast today.


I offered one some once. They still didn't want to eat it. Have to maintain appearances and all.

His deeply held religious beliefs didn't stop him from drinking and screwing though.
 
2013-06-15 03:17:30 PM

rumpelstiltskin: She's in the business of selling people. She told her superior, "Look, I think this guy might be defective."  Her superior followed up on it, and was told to sod off. Her superior concluded that the product was indeed defective, and withdrew it from the shelf.


Bingo.  To the staffing firm the guy isn't human.  They're in the "talent" business, not the people business.
 
2013-06-15 03:18:26 PM

ZAZ: He should have apologized and offered to make her a sandwich of Christian baby flesh.


I like that one.
 
2013-06-15 03:18:49 PM

ZAZ: He should have apologized and offered to make her a sandwich of Christian baby flesh.


Mmmmm, now I'm hungry.
 
2013-06-15 03:19:06 PM
  Wow!  Good times....Boneless ham is a direct quote from my ex's divorce petition..
 
2013-06-15 03:20:44 PM

armoredbulldozer: rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.

And none of it would have happened if the British didn't let the Muslim infestation take place.  What kind of empty liquor bottle is that sitting in front of her?  I think I'll pin her down and fark her.  It isn't rape unless x number of people witness it right?  Yay Muslims!!  The watermelon-bacon analogy is as invalid as your arguments that I don't read.


You're a moron. I thought you should know that.
 
2013-06-15 03:20:48 PM

lunkhed: 'Sod off'.

Offensive to sodomisers. Totally unacceptable to me and the organisation.


Is that what "sod" means in that context. I figure out the gist of it but never dug into the entomology.
 
2013-06-15 03:20:52 PM

rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."


I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"
 
2013-06-15 03:22:55 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"


"Just cuz I eat chicken and watermelon they think that something's wrong with me. Let me tell you somethin if you don't like chicken and watermelon, something is wrong with you, there is something wrong with you! Where are all these people who don't like Chicken and Watermelon? I'm sick of hearing about how bad it is, it's great! I'm waiting for Chicken to approach me to do a commercial nubian, I'll do it for free Chicken! It's the least I can do."
 
2013-06-15 03:22:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?

For the sake of argument, let's assume everything in the article is 100% true and not biased in any way (probably not the case, but not relevant to the point I'm making).

At what point do we need to say 'enough is enough' in terms of trying not to offend someone when the mere act of offering a 'thank you' gift becomes offensive?

Let's say that he had no clue she was Muslim, if bacon sandwiches are a common breakfast item in England, it's a safe assumption to make that the offer of one won't be taken offensively.  Yes, Muslims, Jews, and Vegetarians don't eat pork, but I've never met someone who's been offended by the offer of something that they don't eat - they just politely decline.  An offer in and of itself is a kindness, not an insult.


The problem with your statement is that the guy actually had the opportunity to walk it back and say "I'm sorry, I didn't realize she was Muslim, and no offense was meant." Instead, he got into an argument and ended the conversation by telling them to, basically, fark off. It's one thing to make an innocent mistake, it's another to double-down and tell somebody to fark off because *you* screwed up.
 
2013-06-15 03:23:42 PM
I think Stephen Fry said it best.

"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so farking what."

The recruiter was offended because she assumed that the guy knew that she was Muslim for whatever reason she had in her head. That is a dangerous, and stupid assumption to make. The guy apparently was confused because he didn't know what he did wrong. Then that confusion turned to frustration when he told them to sod off.

Know what, good for him. I would of told the company to sod off too because it sounds like they don't have good professional standards.
 
2013-06-15 03:24:01 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"


I'm just wondering why he would tell a random black person he would bring a watermelon to their picnic.

How does he know they're having a picnic? Does he just assume black people's lives are full of picnics?
 
2013-06-15 03:24:45 PM
Sales 101.  Don't talk yourself out of the sale.

If things are going well, nod and STFU.
 
2013-06-15 03:30:25 PM
Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail
 
2013-06-15 03:30:38 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"

I'm just wondering why he would tell a random black person he would bring a watermelon to their picnic.

How does he know they're having a picnic? Does he just assume black people's lives are full of picnics?


Any excuse we can get to have a picnic, we have one.  Someone's got a watermelon?  Ok, it's picnic time!
 
2013-06-15 03:31:04 PM

JohnnyC: Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.


Yes, but racism is bad so anything that is bad must be racism.
 
2013-06-15 03:31:29 PM

YoungLochinvar: TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: FirstNationalBastard: Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Its rude to make assumptions about people you don't know. You wouldn't want people making dismissive assumptions about things that are important to you without knowing you. Just extend that courtesy to others. And you know perfectly well that the "innocent"  Daily Fail has twisted the story to make her look bad. They go out of their way constantly to portray Muslims in as negative a light as possible. You're not a n00b here, you know this. Its a tabloid.

/see what I did there?

For the sake of argument, let's assume everything in the article is 100% true and not biased in any way (probably not the case, but not relevant to the point I'm making).

At what point do we need to say 'enough is enough' in terms of trying not to offend someone when the mere act of offering a 'thank you' gift becomes offensive?

Let's say that he had no clue she was Muslim, if bacon sandwiches are a common breakfast item in England, it's a safe assumption to make that the offer of one won't be taken offensively.  Yes, Muslims, Jews, and Vegetarians don't eat pork, but I've never met someone who's been offended by the offer of something that they don't eat - they just politely decline.  An offer in and of itself is a kindness, not an insult.

The problem with your statement is that the guy actually had the opportunity to walk it back and say "I'm sorry, I didn't realize she was Muslim, and no offense was meant." Instead, he got into an argument and ended the conversation by telling them to, basically, fark off. It's one thing to make an innocent mistake, it's another to double-down and tell somebody to fark off because *you* screwed up.


I agree the 'sod off' comment was ill-advised, and likely the one that really got him into trouble.  I can also see it from his POV however that he felt he did nothing wrong, and was insulted for being chastised for making an innocent offer.  So, he had to either swallow his pride and make an apology, or stand his ground for what he believed.  He chose the latter and paid the consequences, and I can respect that.  The whole thing wouldn't have come to a head however if the lady had just mentioned to him that she didn't eat bacon after he offered instead of running behind his back to tell someone else.
 
2013-06-15 03:32:20 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: FirstNationalBastard: Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"

I'm just wondering why he would tell a random black person he would bring a watermelon to their picnic.

How does he know they're having a picnic? Does he just assume black people's lives are full of picnics?

Any excuse we can get to have a picnic, we have one.  Someone's got a watermelon?  Ok, it's picnic time!


So by offering random black people a watermelon, he is not being racist, but helping to facilitate the creation of picnics?

I can live with that.
 
2013-06-15 03:33:37 PM

jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.


It depends on what interpretation on Islam the person follows. Just like Christianity there are fundamental, moderate and liberal interpretations. Some people believe it is a sin to drink any alcohol, some believe you can drink but not to intoxication, and some don't follow either of those.

Another thing is if you unknowingly offend somebody, and they bring it to your attention, then you apologize. You don't respond in the manner that this guy did. Doing so shows that you are an self absorbed asshole who probably will have problems working with others.

And for all of you that are saying how would he know she was Muslim, you can tell by looking at some people that there is a good chance that they are Muslim. And just like anybody else you should avoid saying things that would offend them.
 
2013-06-15 03:35:07 PM
fark.com 301 redirect to dailymail.com
 
2013-06-15 03:35:30 PM

Tellurium: JohnnyC: Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.

Yes, but racism is bad so anything that is bad must be racism.


Or maybe it's become shorthand for "ethnic or religious or racial prejudice".
 
2013-06-15 03:35:48 PM

ongbok: jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.

It depends on what interpretation on Islam the person follows. Just like Christianity there are fundamental, moderate and liberal interpretations. Some people believe it is a sin to drink any alcohol, some believe you can drink but not to intoxication, and some don't follow either of those.

Another thing is if you unknowingly offend somebody, and they bring it to your attention, then you apologize. You don't respond in the manner that this guy did. Doing so shows that you are an self absorbed asshole who probably will have problems working with others.


Ah, but she didn't bring it to his attention. She went to her boss to complain. If she had brought it directly to his attention, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

/of course, that's assuming this article is even real.
//I've got a watermelon, who wants to have a picnic?
 
2013-06-15 03:38:25 PM

jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail


I'm Canadian and we have bacon sandwiches here. Toppings just come after. "I'll get you a hamburger" is just short form for "I'll get you a hamburger with bacon, cheese, ketchup, pickles, lettuce, three extra patties, and vanilla sauce."

Also, it's bacon. You could put bacon on anything.
 
2013-06-15 03:38:43 PM
I think this woman should be fired for refusing a bacon sandwich!!!!!
 
2013-06-15 03:39:22 PM
People!

People!

Can we focus on what's important here?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-06-15 03:39:32 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ongbok: jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.

It depends on what interpretation on Islam the person follows. Just like Christianity there are fundamental, moderate and liberal interpretations. Some people believe it is a sin to drink any alcohol, some believe you can drink but not to intoxication, and some don't follow either of those.

Another thing is if you unknowingly offend somebody, and they bring it to your attention, then you apologize. You don't respond in the manner that this guy did. Doing so shows that you are an self absorbed asshole who probably will have problems working with others.

Ah, but she didn't bring it to his attention. She went to her boss to complain. If she had brought it directly to his attention, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

/of course, that's assuming this article is even real.
//I've got a watermelon, who wants to have a picnic?


So why then did he tell her supervisor to sod off instead of explaining to him that he didn't mean it and offering an apology?

Whether he was trying to offend her or not, the guy is a defective person and they didn't want anything to do with him.
 
2013-06-15 03:39:59 PM
When I was laid up after a hospitalization, my Muslim neighbor kindly offered to pick me up a pizza while she was out. Without thinking, I asked for one that included sausage. She asked if it had pork in it, and with an internal headsmack, I admitted that it did. Because she can't handle products with pork in them, I picked a different kind with all beef products for the meat, and apologized. After all, she was doing me a kindness. No need to be a jackass on either side.
 
2013-06-15 03:40:11 PM
1. Sue the coont for discriminatory hiring.2. Profit!
 
2013-06-15 03:41:43 PM
This racist bullshiat against Muslims is getting old.

They are the most peaceful people on the planet and never do harm to anyone, especially their own people. (unlike Americans).

History supports this fact.

In the rare instance when a radical Muslim does something stupid, 'real' Muslims are always the first ones to denounce them publicly.
 
2013-06-15 03:42:40 PM
That sandwich looks pretty good.
 
PKY
2013-06-15 03:43:11 PM
He should have claimed that having the interview with a female Muslim offended him, and that the company for religious reasons needed to let him to take the meeting with a Christian man instead.
 
2013-06-15 03:43:12 PM

Kyosuke: 'Being offended' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended? Don't choose to be.


My. God. What. A. Ridiculous. Comment.

Do you just repeat the 'cool' stuff you've read online?!

You're also 'vegan', aren't you? (No offense to real vegans).

I've been on Fark for quite a while, but you, Sir (Madam?) take the cake with that comment.
 
2013-06-15 03:46:03 PM

FloydA: propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.

This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.


Given its the Daily Mail, I am now questioning both the existence of Muslims and bacon.

NO BACON??? DAMN YOU, DAILY MAIL
 
2013-06-15 03:46:45 PM
She doesn't eat bacon???

When they were handing out religions, she must have been taking a whizz.
 
2013-06-15 03:46:52 PM

jaytkay: Tellurium: JohnnyC: Article claims that it was a racist comment... I disagree. Bigoted, yes... Racist, no.

"Muslim" is not a race... it's a religious belief system.

Yes, but racism is bad so anything that is bad must be racism.

Or maybe it's become shorthand for "ethnic or religious or racial prejudice".


I'm not denying that that is happening, it's just a sloppy intellectual practice. Racism and religious intolerance are wrong for different reasons so if you confound the two the situation isn't going to be dealt with properly.
 
2013-06-15 03:47:05 PM

gilgigamesh: FloydA: propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.

This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people.  Beyond that, it gets iffy.

Given its the Daily Mail, I am now questioning both the existence of Muslims and bacon.

NO BACON??? DAMN YOU, DAILY MAIL


I think bacon exists, but it's made from soy.
 
2013-06-15 03:48:03 PM
Would she have complained about sexual harassment if he had offered her toad-in-the-hole?

images.media-allrecipes.com
 
2013-06-15 03:48:32 PM
How long until this man and everyone he cares about is blown up in a suicide-style attack?
 
2013-06-15 03:49:48 PM
Being that you could see her face there's no way to tell she's Muslim.

He's going to make out like a king after some group takes his side. He might just be the face the British Bacon Council needs.

Think I'm kidding about a Bacon Council? There's a Pork Pie Producers Association.
 
2013-06-15 03:50:40 PM
Can't you also be fired for calling a Muslim woman a bombshell?
 
2013-06-15 03:51:59 PM
I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?
 
2013-06-15 03:52:15 PM

bmihura: TV's Vinnie: bmihura: Enough with the UK links.

Apparently, the Daily Mail pays Drew a sh*ton of euros to keep the links flowing.

THE SPICE LINKS MUST FLOW!

OK, that makes sense. Fark would be so much better without all the UK links though.


I'm offended by that statement. It suggests the UK links are inferior; that by being inclusive of UK links, the superior quality of Fark is being diluted or somehow tainted, and thus the UK links should be kept out of Fark to preserve it's purity.
 
2013-06-15 03:52:39 PM

lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?


WTF???
 
2013-06-15 03:53:01 PM
racist comment?

bacon is a race now?
 
2013-06-15 03:53:40 PM

lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?


Uh, wait, what?
 
2013-06-15 03:55:15 PM
She can't be too Muslim. Looks like shes got some alcohol thar.
 
2013-06-15 03:56:46 PM
Assuming this story is true (of course it isn't, but let's pretend) my guess is that they spoke over phone, his credentials were adequate, and he seemed a good candidate. They met in person and she got creeped out by the guy. Since it was an all but sealed deal, she had to find a way to back out. Told her supervisor he was creepy and they hatched a plan. They did not want to send creepy guy to hiring party because they would look bad.

I know several Muslims and do not think any of them would take offense to an off the cuff offer like that.
 
2013-06-15 03:57:39 PM
bmihura: TV's Vinnie: bmihura: Enough with the UK links.

Apparently, the Daily Mail pays Drew a sh*ton of euros to keep the links flowing.

THE SPICE LINKS MUST FLOW!

OK, that makes sense. Fark would be so much better without all the UK FEATURED links though.

/FTFM
 
2013-06-15 03:57:39 PM

Kyosuke: 'Being offended an asshole' is a choice a person makes.

Don't want to be offended an asshole? Don't choose to be.


/fixed
//seriously, how difficult is it to think before you open your gullet?
 
2013-06-15 03:58:43 PM
You can have that samie when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
 
2013-06-15 03:59:02 PM

lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?


Um. Wrong thread? Too much vodak? What happened here?
 
2013-06-15 03:59:38 PM

lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?


I can see that whatever he did, it worked.
 
2013-06-15 04:00:31 PM

lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?


um...yes?
 
2013-06-15 04:00:37 PM
If your religion prohibits Bacon it's obviously a false one. Sorry to tell you that.

Baconism is the one true path to Bacon heaven.
 
2013-06-15 04:00:57 PM

Tellurium: lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?

I can see that whatever he did, it worked.


Can I buy some? How far would $20 get me?
 
2013-06-15 04:01:28 PM
Welcome to dhimmitude in your own country!
 
2013-06-15 04:05:00 PM
If he'd mentioned his pet camel, the interview would have been over immediately.
 
2013-06-15 04:07:10 PM

RoyBatty: Mugato: TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!

That's what I said. Tastes like the real thing, at least to me. Had some for breakfast today.

Does it?


No. It's not real bacon. If you can take it as its own thing, it's fine. But as bacon? No.
 
2013-06-15 04:07:36 PM
Even if he had intended to cause offense, which seems highly unlikely under the circumstances, it wouldn't be "racism" as "Muslim" isn't a race, it's a religion.  People of many different ethnic backgrounds follow Islam, just as Christians run the gamut from blonde to black to Asian to Hispanic.

...and in context, it seems absurd to conclude that this was intended to be offensive.  Bacon is not exactly an uncommon breakfast food.
 
2013-06-15 04:13:05 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?


Her name just might have been a clue.
 
2013-06-15 04:14:14 PM

propasaurus: This being The Daily Mail, I'm sure it happened just like they said.


No one would lie about bacon.
 
2013-06-15 04:15:25 PM
I think she misunderstood. What he said was, "Hey babe, would you like some pork slapped between your buns?"

She thought 'bacon sandwich' and it all went downhill from there.
 
2013-06-15 04:16:21 PM

iron_city_ap: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!

I guess he should have just stereotyped her. Except for when she doesn't want to be stereotyped.

fark that biatch. She might be hot but she's still a biatch.


you do realize it didn't happen the way it is being reported, right?
 
2013-06-15 04:22:33 PM

Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.



What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?
 
2013-06-15 04:23:53 PM

megarian: lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?

Um. Wrong thread? Too much vodak? What happened here?



 This reminds me of the coleslaw thread...Pineapple or not.   And I posted an in depth recounting of the time Jerry Garcia kicked me in the face....
 
2013-06-15 04:24:41 PM

randomjsa: Religion of perpetual offense strikes again.


No, no, no...  It said she is Muslim, not Evangelical Christian.
 
2013-06-15 04:24:43 PM
Gah. Total fail.

"Sacranie"

Still, the question stands: What part of her name sounds Muslim?
 
2013-06-15 04:26:18 PM

AcesFull: megarian: lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?

Um. Wrong thread? Too much vodak? What happened here?


 This reminds me of the coleslaw thread...Pineapple or not.   And I posted an in depth recounting of the time Jerry Garcia kicked me in the face....


What kind of barbarian puts pinapple in coleslaw?
 
2013-06-15 04:28:05 PM
Should have just said he wanted to pork her
 
2013-06-15 04:29:44 PM

give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?


Sharika
 
2013-06-15 04:31:03 PM

give me doughnuts: What kind of barbarian puts pinapple in coleslaw?


Nobody does that. I think somebody is posting from their phone and the stupid auto-correct inserted "pineapple".
 
2013-06-15 04:31:46 PM

RoyBatty: Mugato: TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!

That's what I said. Tastes like the real thing, at least to me. Had some for breakfast today.

Does it?

I bought some from Costco, felt guilty about it nevertheless, yeah fark me, I was embarrassed to buy turkey bacon, fried it up, and sort of thought, meh, this can't be the taste of what drives the planet insane.... Went back to frying up the Costco Hebrew National Salami into my scrambled eggs (also from Costco).


Well don't go by what I say, I'm not a bacon connoisseur by any means but the Oscar Mayer stuff tastes fine by me. I don't eat it for health reasons, if anything I'm underweight but my girlfriend's a vegetarian (somehow, turkey meat isn't meat...don't ask me).
 
2013-06-15 04:31:48 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: rumpelstiltskin: [if I said]  "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.

So, you'd tell the guy to sod off if he was angry that you had intentionally slurred him, but if you innocently offended him, you'd wring your hands and grovel.

Okey dokey then.


Well, yeah. If I do something that provokes a reaction, I'm going to be responsible for that reaction.
How old are you, three?
 
2013-06-15 04:32:46 PM
what a dirtbag
 
2013-06-15 04:33:27 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

She could have also just said to him 'Thank you for the offer, but I'm Muslim and I don't eat pork (or just told him she didn't eat pork without going into why)" at which point he would have likely offered to bring something else for her instead.  She didn't need to go complain to his superiors about what was essentially a friendly offer to bring breakfast.

Whenever I've went somewhere with coworkers there's never been a Q&A session beforehand of what each person can and can't eat, if you have an issue with where everyone's going, you're expected to speak up.


The only thing I consciously think about at work regarding food is to not invite Indians out for BBQ if that's the menu and I know they're vegetarian (which most in my office are).

Apart from that, sod off with your overly-sensitive, easily-offended douchebag culinary issues.
 
2013-06-15 04:33:37 PM

give me doughnuts: AcesFull: megarian: lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?

Um. Wrong thread? Too much vodak? What happened here?


 This reminds me of the coleslaw thread...Pineapple or not.   And I posted an in depth recounting of the time Jerry Garcia kicked me in the face....

What kind of barbarian puts pinapple in coleslaw?



Well...that said.  At first he tried to go Moe on me and tried to me the two finger poke in the eyes....But,he was one finger short....Ah hell...it just got worse after that.
 
2013-06-15 04:34:03 PM

jaytkay: give me doughnuts: What kind of barbarian puts pinapple in coleslaw?

Nobody does that. I think somebody is posting from their phone and the stupid auto-correct inserted "pineapple".


Whaet kiend oef baerbarian puets pineapple ien coleslaew?
 
2013-06-15 04:34:10 PM

AcesFull: megarian: lantawa: I once laughed in a retired New York police detective's face when he gave me an attitude while conducting business with me. Am I going to die? it WAS pretty funny, so will the death be a slow and painful death? And his squeeze was there and was amused at the scenario, so will I be force fed shiat, tortured longly and viciously, and made to sit in the comfy chair while buffeted with the fluffy pillow, all prior to death by cake?

Um. Wrong thread? Too much vodak? What happened here?


 This reminds me of the coleslaw thread...Pineapple or not.   And I posted an in depth recounting of the time Jerry Garcia kicked me in the face....


Okay...okay...I'm sympathetic but pineapple in coleslaw?

And Jerry Garcia?

In the face?

Am I high? Fantastic!
 
2013-06-15 04:36:36 PM

TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika


And we're supposed to know that's a Muslim name how? If I didn't see her picture, I'd figure she was African-American.
 
2013-06-15 04:38:33 PM
How adults behave:

"i'll see you your first day, for breakfast."
"OK,  I'll. ring the bacon sandwhiches."
"Not, for me, I'm Muslim."

Then you wait for his reply, and only after that do you know if he's a racist or not.
 
2013-06-15 04:40:32 PM

randomjsa: Religion of perpetual offense strikes again.


She's Christian?

/I kid
//All religions are whiny biatches
///But especially the Jebus felaters in 'Merca.
 
2013-06-15 04:41:26 PM

TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika


fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-06-15 04:43:11 PM
There's an astonishing number of people discussing a Daily Mail article as if it were an accurate description of reality.

Weird.
 
2013-06-15 04:43:12 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!


There are enough glutin intollerant people that you should undetstand how OFFENSIVE that is. You are a bad person.
 
2013-06-15 04:43:54 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: How adults behave:

"i'll see you your first day, for breakfast."
"OK,  I'll. ring the bacon sandwhiches."
"Not, for me, I'm Muslim."

Then you wait for his reply, and only after that do you know if he's a racist or not.


Also how adults behave


Recruiter: "i'll see you your first day, for breakfast."
Candidate: "OK,  I'll. ring the bacon sandwiches."

Recruiter's Boss: What you said about the bacon sandwiches offended the recruiter because she is Muslim and she took it as a bigoted insult.

Candidate: Really? I didn't mean it that way and was just making an off hand comment. Is there anyway I can apologize to her?

Yo don't go and tell somebody to sod off if they say you have offended them, especially a potential employer if you want the job.
 
2013-06-15 04:45:16 PM

jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 317x480]


That is Shakira and she is of Lebanese decent.
 
2013-06-15 04:46:56 PM
I quite enjoy new things like Persian tacos, Asian beavers, Italian punani, Jamaican buju, British coonts, American sausage wallets, Arab camel toes....oh man, they're all good.  But be warned, once things are spiced with religion, they go stale pretty quick.

/Humanist
//Cunnilinguist
 
2013-06-15 04:47:09 PM
How is this racist?  Why is it that things that might give offense are assumed to be racist in nature?
 
2013-06-15 04:48:04 PM

ongbok: jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 317x480]

That is Shakira and she is of Lebanese decent.



   Really!  Nice..Very very nice.  The girl/girl thing does wonders for me.
 
2013-06-15 04:49:34 PM
He should have offered her a "proper English breakfast."

Where he offended her was the offer to buy her breakfast.  Had he honored her role as a woman, he would have respected that it was her job to cook breakfast and do the dishes afterward.

For the life of me I cannot fathom how, or more correctly WHY someone being offered a job would respond by deliberately insulting someone...  It appears the young lady is/was being a tad too touchy..
 
2013-06-15 04:50:14 PM

ongbok: jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 317x480]

That is Shakira and she is of Lebanese decent.


Her family's sexual orientation isn't really relevant here.
 
2013-06-15 04:50:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ongbok: jethro1138: Now I might be wrong, but in that photo is she not surrounded by alcohol, which is also forbidden by Islam?...

/vegetarian
//if someone offered me bacon (again) I am fully capable of appreciating the sentiment and refusing.

It depends on what interpretation on Islam the person follows. Just like Christianity there are fundamental, moderate and liberal interpretations. Some people believe it is a sin to drink any alcohol, some believe you can drink but not to intoxication, and some don't follow either of those.

Another thing is if you unknowingly offend somebody, and they bring it to your attention, then you apologize. You don't respond in the manner that this guy did. Doing so shows that you are an self absorbed asshole who probably will have problems working with others.

Ah, but she didn't bring it to his attention. She went to her boss to complain. If she had brought it directly to his attention, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

/of course, that's assuming this article is even real.
//I've got a watermelon, who wants to have a picnic?


Continuing our sidebar...

I just checked the schedule for our local minor league ballclub because my Father-in-law is coming to town, and he wants to catch a game...


...and it's Watermelon Night!


i555.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-15 04:51:15 PM

ongbok: So why then did he tell her supervisor to sod off instead of explaining to him that he didn't mean it and offering an apology?


Because the supervisor wouldn't accept it as a mistake, but kept pushing him to admit to some kind of wrongdoing.  After enough of that, I'd tell him to sod off too.

Mr Hunt said: 'When the manager called me, I was driving and I got increasingly exasperated as he kept telling me I should admit to my wrongdoing for referring to bacon sandwiches.

Or maybe the supervisor was short (sorry, I mean "vertically challenged") and thought Mr. Hunt was calling him "sawed off"?
 
2013-06-15 04:53:37 PM

gilgigamesh: I'd put my shofar in her mezuzah.

Oh great. Now I've managed to piss off Jews and Muslims.


WTF dude?  As a Jew, I am highly offended.

/the mezuzah goes in the shofar!
//I'd tie her up with my tefillin, if you know what I mean
 
2013-06-15 04:54:24 PM
Get used to it man.
 
2013-06-15 04:55:18 PM
jazzjones.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-15 04:55:22 PM

honk: ongbok: So why then did he tell her supervisor to sod off instead of explaining to him that he didn't mean it and offering an apology?

Because the supervisor wouldn't accept it as a mistake, but kept pushing him to admit to some kind of wrongdoing.  After enough of that, I'd tell him to sod off too.

Mr Hunt said: 'When the manager called me, I was driving and I got increasingly exasperated as he kept telling me I should admit to my wrongdoing for referring to bacon sandwiches.

Or maybe the supervisor was short (sorry, I mean "vertically challenged") and thought Mr. Hunt was calling him "sawed off"?


Or he could have been an asshole like many people in this thread and had the attitude that he isn't going to apologize if he accidentally offended her and that is what the supervisor was trying to get him to admit and do.
 
2013-06-15 04:55:27 PM

JWideman: And we're supposed to know that's a Muslim name how? If I didn't see her picture, I'd figure she was African-American.


The thing is that he DID see her, and she looks Middle Eastern, I'd guess Persian. I don't think the bacon thing is offensive on its own, but using a little common sense and tact would have prevented all the BS.
 
2013-06-15 04:56:58 PM
A spokesman for Reed said: 'Due to inappropriate comments made to members of our staff during the recruitment process before Mr Hunt started his new role we have unfortunately decided that we do not feel we can represent this client further.

'A senior manager from the Reed team spoke to Mr Hunt via telephone following an inappropriate comment made to a member of staff before he was due to start in the role.

'During that conversation, Mr Hunt made further inappropriate comments.



Sounds like he had more to say than simply offering to buy sandwiches.
 
2013-06-15 04:57:07 PM

AcesFull: Really!  Nice..Very very nice.  The girl/girl thing does wonders for me.


Shakira will always be my celebrity crush.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:02 PM
Well I for one would be offended and refuse to work for anyone who doesnt eat bacon sandwiches.
 
2013-06-15 04:58:26 PM

mike_d85: I once said "camel jockey" at work on accident. True story. I was talking to a Moroccan guy to boot. We were having a conversation about camel races. No one was offended, nothing happened and there is no point to this story.


I am not familiar with that term as a racist expression. I think I saw a racist dictionary online once and was not familiar with the majority of terms. I think many might be regional.

Addressing many other comments in this thread:
As a Canadian, I am only familiar with the black people/watermelon thing from the internet (and sites like Fark that bring it up a lot). I really don't understand that one at all because I love watermelon. I'm pretty sure 95% of the population likes watermelon. To offer to bring watermelon to a picnic is a great thing because it's a sure crowd-pleaser. I'd hate to be a black American who feels uncomfortable eating watermelon around non-blacks because they'd be waiting for someone to make a comment.
 
2013-06-15 04:59:41 PM

WTFDYW: rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.

The difference is.......... Wait for it.......... YOU CAN TELL WHAT COLOR A PERSON IS! You CANNOT tell what their religious belief is. GET IT?

/TVM


I don't know what TVM means.
But apparently you don't know what it means for a white person to tell a black guy "I'll bring watermelon to your picnic."
Every black person in America knows what it means. It doesn't mean, "Hey, free watermelon!"
It means, "I know you're black, and the reason I bring this up is because that means I'm better than you."
Sure, when we're talking amongst friends, when we're joking around with people we're comfortable with, it's not going to be parsed that way. But if you say it to a stranger, you'd better believe it may be taken as a racist statement, or you might get your ass kicked. Or worse, if stories are to be believed.
Now, when we talk about a person's religion, that's not as obvious as a person's skin color. But that doesn't make the insult less egregious; it makes it more so. "You can't fool me, I know you're Muslim. And that means I'm better than you."

 I don't disagree that sometimes people are too sensitive. I don't disagree that innocent comments can hurt people. What I do disagree with is the idea that anyone can hurt someone else and turn around and say, "fark you, I didn't mean it. I'm not responsible." That bullshiat. That's the mentality of a three year old who rests his face on his hand with the middle finger pointed out and tells his mother he's not flipping her off.
 
2013-06-15 05:00:01 PM
We live in a time where even bringing up food is cause for outrage. yay.
 
2013-06-15 05:01:51 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, ok... no bacon sammich

/how about ham?


"No."
 
2013-06-15 05:03:18 PM

Bedstead Polisher: As a Canadian, I am only familiar with the black people/watermelon thing from the internet (and sites like Fark that bring it up a lot). I really don't understand that one at all because I love watermelon.


I wear a pointy hood and carry a noose around with me. Nobody should be offended. If they are, they should sod off.

Christian sects in Spain have worn pointy hoods for centuries. Ropes are merely tools, like the lines on a sailboat.
 
2013-06-15 05:04:35 PM

BarkingUnicorn: rumpelstiltskin: She's in the business of selling people. She told her superior, "Look, I think this guy might be defective."  Her superior followed up on it, and was told to sod off. Her superior concluded that the product was indeed defective, and withdrew it from the shelf.

Bingo.  To the staffing firm the guy isn't human.  They're in the "talent" business, not the people business.


That's the sanest argument against my position that this guy should get farked that there is.
Which doesn't change my position, but I'm not going to argue it. The world is what it is, and I don't make the rules.
 
2013-06-15 05:04:58 PM

ongbok: jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 317x480]

That is Shakira and she is of Lebanese decent.


Her mother is Spanish and Italian.
 
2013-06-15 05:05:39 PM
jshine:
...and in context, it seems absurd to conclude that this was intended to be offensive.  Bacon is not exactly an uncommon breakfast food.

What you're missing is the obvious. I have asked people to dine with me, and never once in doing so have I mentioned only one particular type of food. "Come and have breakfast with me" is a lot more common than "come and have two eggs over easy with buttered toast and hash browns on the side with orange juice".
Even if it was a habit of his to specifically point out exactly what kind of food he was going to eat at all times like some strange OCD child, why did he choose bacon?

Someone who is prone to saying stupid sh*t like that is not a person I would want working for me or interacting with my customers. If you can't think before you open your piehole it makes both my business and me look bad, and I can't afford that. No job for you.
 
2013-06-15 05:10:41 PM

ongbok: jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 317x480]

That is Shakira and she is of Lebanese decent.


Holy shiat. I hate Lebanese people because I don't know much about them except for that fact that they aren't very white, but I would hit that so hard it would make a date with Chris Brown and Rihanna look tame.
 
2013-06-15 05:11:45 PM

jaytkay: Bedstead Polisher: As a Canadian, I am only familiar with the black people/watermelon thing from the internet (and sites like Fark that bring it up a lot). I really don't understand that one at all because I love watermelon.

I wear a pointy hood and carry a noose around with me. Nobody should be offended. If they are, they should sod off.

Christian sects in Spain have worn pointy hoods for centuries. Ropes are merely tools, like the lines on a sailboat.


I don't understand your comment. Anyway, if black people love watermelon so much, why would people offer to bring it to a picnic/BBQ hosted by a black person? If they love watermelon so much, they'd already have it!
 
2013-06-15 05:12:09 PM

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


He was rude?  For offering to buy a food?  A common British breakfast food?  Even if she is Muslim, she lives in England.  Shouldn't she be aware of the practices of the people of the country she lives in?  Isn't she the one being rude by assuming he meant an insult instead of a genuine offer to pay for part of breakfast?

What if he said, "I'll buy the drinks"?  Would she be offended at that?  Colloquially 'drink' can mean 'alcoholic beverage'.   Would she have been upset that he offered to buy her alcohol?  'Cause Muslims aren't supposed to drink alcohol either.

He did the right thing.  Her boss called, and he explained himself about the comment.  They shouldn't have continued to push the matter.  His explanation should have been apology enough.  They were the ones unwillingly to accept it.
 
2013-06-15 05:18:47 PM

FloydA: This being the Daily Fail, I am reasonably sure that the photographs are of actual people. Beyond that, it gets iffy.


It appears one of the photos helps define exactly what a "bacon sarnie" is.  A choice sampling of British cuisine, apparently.  No wonder the sun has set on the British Empire.
 
2013-06-15 05:22:36 PM

give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?


It doesn't sound Muslim so much as it sounds different and so you shouldn't make assumptions about who the person is.
 
2013-06-15 05:37:39 PM

give me doughnuts: ongbok: jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 317x480]

That is Shakira and she is of Lebanese decent.

Her mother is Spanish and Italian.


She's Colombian.
 
2013-06-15 05:37:40 PM

rewind2846: jshine:
...and in context, it seems absurd to conclude that this was intended to be offensive.  Bacon is not exactly an uncommon breakfast food.

What you're missing is the obvious. I have asked people to dine with me, and never once in doing so have I mentioned only one particular type of food. "Come and have breakfast with me" is a lot more common than "come and have two eggs over easy with buttered toast and hash browns on the side with orange juice".
Even if it was a habit of his to specifically point out exactly what kind of food he was going to eat at all times like some strange OCD child, why did he choose bacon?

Someone who is prone to saying stupid sh*t like that is not a person I would want working for me or interacting with my customers. If you can't think before you open your piehole it makes both my business and me look bad, and I can't afford that. No job for you.


Bacon sandwiches are a common item in the UK. It was said in a joking manner and could have been resolved right there and then by two adults. One person decided it was jihad worthy and had to escalate the whole thing. I'm glad the guy didn't apologize, I wouldn't want to work for a crybaby company such as that. Also it was not a racist statement as Muslim is not a race.
 
2013-06-15 05:38:01 PM
Gotta love the keyword listing up top there.....
More: Stupid, Muslims,

In all reality, he should've DOH'd and apologized.

The Muslim woman should've replied "I am Muslim and don't eat bacon, but I accept your comment in the spirit in which it was given."
BUT OH NO that would be a Muslim behaving like a Buddhist (or Hindu) and we can't have that!
 
2013-06-15 05:40:33 PM

ongbok: Or he could have been an asshole like many people in this thread and had the attitude that he isn't going to apologize if he accidentally offended her and that is what the supervisor was trying to get him to admit and do.


And that's wrong of the supervisor. No one should EVER apologize for accidentally offending anyone. An apology denotes that one did something  wrong. But if it's truly an accident, no wrongdoing took place. A lot of time people apologize with the whole "I'm sorry you got offended" thing as a cop out. But in this case that would have been the right answer. The only one with a problem was the recruiter. She's the one who had an emotional reaction to something normal, unintentional and good-spirited. She's the one who is in the wrong. No apology is due.

If she can't keep her emotions out of the workplace, she needs to find a new job.
 
2013-06-15 05:42:27 PM
Considering that this happened in the UK, shouldn't the dude have offered her a Spam sarnie instead??
 
2013-06-15 05:51:28 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: give me doughnuts: ongbok: jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 317x480]

That is Shakira and she is of Lebanese decent.

Her mother is Spanish and Italian.

She's Colombian.


What's important is the girl can shake what she's got. This gif dump proves it. Probably NSFW
 
2013-06-15 05:56:16 PM

Somacandra: Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude.


No it isn't. It may be a little thoughtless, but that's all. Not nearly as rude as accusing someone of racism unjustifiably, particularly if you don't have the courtesy to do it to their face.

This is the polite conversation ...

She: OK, see you there for breakfast
He: No problem. I'll get the bacon sarnies
She: Not for me, I'm afraid. I'm Jewish / Muslim / vegetarian / coeliac / just not very fond of bacon
He: No problem. Just let me know what you'd like
She: Sure. See you.

Of course, this is the Daily Mail, so it problem never happened.
 
2013-06-15 06:12:39 PM
astouffer:
Bacon sandwiches are a common item in the UK. It was said in a joking manner and could have been resolved right there and then by two adults. One person decided it was jihad worthy and had to escalate the whole thing. I'm glad the guy didn't apologize, I wouldn't want to work for a crybaby company such as that. Also it was not a racist statement as Muslim is not a race.

Another one with poor reading comprehension. Maybe it would help if you go back and read what I wrote first, but I'll answer.

1. Bacon sandwiches are pretty common in the united states too (gosh), but when I invite someone to breakfast I usually (never) tell them exactly what food I'm going to have. And Muslims have been in Britain for decades now, so their religious/dietary preferences are well known to anyone with more than two working brain cells who hasn't been living in a cave. So answer the question: why did this brain trust feel the need to specify exactly what kind of food the meal might contain, and choose a product which was offensive to the Muslim faith? And don't give me that bullsh*t about "he didn't know she might be Muslim"... when in doubt, err on the side of possibility. It's called "thinking".
If I met a guy named "Goldberg", does he need to wear a yarmulke for me to think twice about offering him a pork chop? No, I'm going to assume he's a Jew that keeps kosher unless he tells me otherwise.

2. You seem to be inferring that I wrote that what he said was "racist". Feeling a little defensive are we?

3. Freedom of speech comes with freedom for speech. You are responsible for what comes out of your head and out of your mouth. If you believe that people should be able to say whatever they want, then you must also believe that they should be able to deal with the societal impact for what they say. You don't get to be a moron without repercussions.

4. Unless you know that I'm in on the joke, don't assume that what you say to me will be understood as a joke. Think first, then speak, not the other way around.
 
2013-06-15 06:13:38 PM

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


Are many muslims halaal eaters? Sure. As a resident near the largest muslim area in the country I can say a whole heck of a lot of them eat pork or get drunk.

I agree that asking is a good call, but getting pissy over the offer of bacon is retarded.
 
2013-06-15 06:16:02 PM

jaytkay: TheJoe03: give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?

Sharika

[fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 317x480]


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-15 06:33:30 PM
Wouldn't it in fact be racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish...must be a Muslim!" ?
 
2013-06-15 06:35:47 PM
this biatch should be fired and deported
 
2013-06-15 06:43:00 PM

rumpelstiltskin: serial_crusher: rumpelstiltskin: It sounds like they gave him a chance to say, "Look, I didn't realize I offended her. Let me apologize", and he took the opportunity to tell them to "sod off". I'm sure the NHS appreciates the fact the staffing firm will look for someone else to fill the position.

I'm glad he took a stand.  "I'm sorry you're offended" is cheapening apologies.  If he's not actually sorry for what he said (and he has no reason to be), he should be telling them to "sod off".

If it really was innocuous, then he should feel sorry for offending her.
I'm not British, I can't claim to know for sure how they insult each other over there, but I bet he said it the same way I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.
All that said, you're right, it's good things played out as they did. It's good that everyone involved knows what a prick this guy is, and it's good they don't want anything to do with him. It's a shame this asshole is almost 60 years old and hasn't learned to treat other people with respect yet, and it's sad that he still needs to keep working and he's finding that causes him trouble in his efforts. But that's all beside the point.


seriously... what a prick that he didn't notice the Muslim neon sign floating above her head.... oh wait.
 
2013-06-15 06:46:41 PM

emtbiz: deported


You assume all non-white people in the UK are foreigners?
 
2013-06-15 06:51:09 PM

Almea Tarrant: Wouldn't it in fact be racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish...must be a Muslim!" ?


No, it wouldn't be "racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish... might be a Muslim! Maybe I shouldn't say the stupid thing about feeding her bacon that is about to come out of my mouth."

See what I did there? The bold is the key.
 
2013-06-15 06:52:08 PM

emtbiz: this biatch should be fired and deported


And on that bombshell...goodnight!
 
2013-06-15 06:53:56 PM

rumpelstiltskin: TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

She could have also just said to him 'Thank you for the offer, but I'm Muslim and I don't eat pork (or just told him she didn't eat pork without going into why)" at which point he would have likely offered to bring something else for her instead.  She didn't need to go complain to his superiors about what was essentially a friendly offer to bring breakfast.

Whenever I've went somewhere with coworkers there's never been a Q&A session beforehand of what each person can and can't eat, if you have an issue with where everyone's going, you're expected to speak up.

I didn't read that she complained to his superiors. I read that she complained to her superiors.
She's in the business of selling people. She told her superior, "Look, I think this guy might be defective."  Her superior followed up on it, and was told to sod off. Her superior concluded that the product was indeed defective, and withdrew it from the shelf.
It doesn't even matter whether or not she "chose", as some have put it, to be offended. What matters is that the guy is a dick.


what matters is that they were not listening to him... if you had RFTA you would have noticed he did try to explain what actually happened: "When the manager called me, I was driving and I got increasingly exasperated as he kept telling me I should admit to my wrongdoing for referring to bacon sandwiches."

So after noticing the manager had a listening problem, he told him to "sod off"... as would most normal people when confronted with someone of stunted intelligence trying to make them appologize for an innocent comment. It would take someone as dumb as a box of stumps to think this man intentionally insulted his interviewer after being told he was getting the job of (USD equivalent) $75,0000.00 + per year.
 
2013-06-15 06:57:22 PM
This recruiter sounds like an oversensitive biatch. How the hell was he supposed to know she was a Muslim? She should have just said "no thanks, I am muslim". Way to make a federal case of it.
 
2013-06-15 06:59:13 PM

rewind2846: Almea Tarrant: Wouldn't it in fact be racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish...must be a Muslim!" ?

No, it wouldn't be "racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish... might be a Muslim! Maybe I shouldn't say the stupid thing about feeding her bacon that is about to come out of my mouth."

See what I did there? The bold is the key.


I do, I do see what you did there.  Changed what I said and completely missed the point.
 
2013-06-15 07:17:53 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!


And moreover, supposed to know they don't eat bacon? I had no idea until I started dating one.  Most white people (myself included) know nothing about other cultures/religions, unfortunately.
 
2013-06-15 07:29:08 PM

give me doughnuts: Bucky Katt: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Her name just might have been a clue.


What part of  "Sharika Sicarnie"  sounds the most Muslim?


Sounds more Jersey shore to me than Mooslim.
 
2013-06-15 07:34:41 PM

CWeinerWV: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!

And moreover, supposed to know they don't eat bacon? I had no idea until I started dating one.  Most white people (myself included) know nothing about other cultures/religions, unfortunately.


Nonsense.  Your friends must never go outside.
 
2013-06-15 07:36:29 PM
I believe that if more people tried bacon, there would be more peace in the world.

Because the Holy Land would be like totes Xian.

/DEUS VULT!
 
2013-06-15 07:39:09 PM

Almea Tarrant: rewind2846: Almea Tarrant: Wouldn't it in fact be racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish...must be a Muslim!" ?

No, it wouldn't be "racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish... might be a Muslim! Maybe I shouldn't say the stupid thing about feeding her bacon that is about to come out of my mouth."

See what I did there? The bold is the key.

I do, I do see what you did there.  Changed what I said and completely missed the point.


No, I quoted you verbatim. I even bolded it (see above). You're the one who missed the point, that point being "if you don't know whether they're observant Muslims or not, assume they are unless they tell you otherwise and don't make stupid comments. In fact, try not to make stupid comments regardless and treat them like people".
I altered what you wrote WHEN I REPEATED IT to show how silly and erroneous your statement was. That's a common device on FARK, usually followed by the acronym "FTFY" (fixed that for you).

You've been here since 2011, you should know this.
 
2013-06-15 07:48:42 PM

bingo the psych-o: CWeinerWV: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!

And moreover, supposed to know they don't eat bacon? I had no idea until I started dating one.  Most white people (myself included) know nothing about other cultures/religions, unfortunately.

Nonsense.  Your friends must never go outside.


You're right, I should go outside and talk to more people..maybe I'll come across the 0.01% of the population in my state/area that aren't white and Protestant.
 
2013-06-15 07:59:03 PM

TheJoe03: JWideman: And we're supposed to know that's a Muslim name how? If I didn't see her picture, I'd figure she was African-American.

The thing is that he DID see her, and she looks Middle Eastern, I'd guess Persian. I don't think the bacon thing is offensive on its own, but using a little common sense and tact would have prevented all the BS.


That is true of both people involved, really.
I mean she could've replied "Sarnie aye, Bacon nay" or whatever Brits say.
 
2013-06-15 08:09:29 PM
So is the consensus here that he should have looked at her skin, and assumed other things about her?
Is it that she should have looked at his, and realized that this would be a normal thing for him to say?
Is it that being offended is stupid?
 
2013-06-15 08:14:17 PM

Jormungandr: That is true of both people involved, really.
I mean she could've replied "Sarnie aye, Bacon nay" or whatever Brits say.


I agree, but he was the one trying to get a job you know. You never want to piss off or annoy the person who has the power to hire you, even if they are being overly sensitive.
 
2013-06-15 08:15:45 PM
Wow, the girl is pretty but she's an extremist! How else can you even tell that someone is Muslim just by looking at them unless they wear some religious or traditional outfit? Besides, does everyone in the world know that Muslims don't eat pigs and Indians don't eat cow stuff? Even though it is common knowledge, there are people in this world who don't know that. Mentioning bacon isn't something that is disrespectful to Muslims, especially if you don't even know they are one.

That girl probably needs to wear an "I'm a Muslim, so don't mention pig stuff or you're fired!" shirt because she's taking this issue too far.
 
2013-06-15 08:17:20 PM
I'd never say that to a Muslim.

/Because they might have a machete or a butcher knife handy
 
2013-06-15 08:25:48 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: FirstNationalBastard: Kraftwerk Orange: rumpelstiltskin: I might say to a random black person, "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic."

I'm born and raised in South Carolina, and I don't know a single person who would be offended by that comment, no matter what their race.  More than likely, they'd say "thanks, that's great!"

I'm just wondering why he would tell a random black person he would bring a watermelon to their picnic.

How does he know they're having a picnic? Does he just assume black people's lives are full of picnics?

Any excuse we can get to have a picnic, we have one.  Someone's got a watermelon?  Ok, it's picnic time!


Seconded! Silly northerners and their northern ways.
 
2013-06-15 08:27:48 PM
Assuming the story is even true, there's plenty of people of middle eastern decent that are Christians, or non-secular. Also, not everyone is aware that Muslims don't eat pork. On top of that I've known Muslims who did eat pork. This is just another example of people expecting the rest of the world to bend over backward to suit their needs. This could have been settled by her simply saying "Sorry, I don't eat pork, it's against my religion".
 
2013-06-15 08:32:49 PM

GreenSun: Wow, the girl is pretty but she's an extremist! How else can you even tell that someone is Muslim just by looking at them unless they wear some religious or traditional outfit? Besides, does everyone in the world know that Muslims don't eat pigs and Indians don't eat cow stuff? Even though it is common knowledge, there are people in this world who don't know that. Mentioning bacon isn't something that is disrespectful to Muslims, especially if you don't even know they are one.

That girl probably needs to wear an "I'm a Muslim, so don't mention pig stuff or you're fired!" shirt because she's taking this issue too far.


... Or, Mr Hunt was being deliberately belligerent, and continued to be so when asked if he meant it. Obviously we weren't there, but that's exactly what the senior manager said happened.
 
2013-06-15 08:34:07 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: So after noticing the manager had a listening problem, he told him to "sod off"... as would most normal people when confronted with someone of stunted intelligence trying to make them appologize for an innocent comment.


Yes, if by "normal people" you mean people with severely stunted social skills. If you are told that you have offended someone and the relationship matters at all then you do apologise. Explaining that the offence was unintended is a part of the apology. You take the opportunity to turn the situation around and have a bit of a laugh to smooth things over.
 
2013-06-15 08:42:50 PM
Can I point out the obvious in this situation?  This person works in IT, a field not known for attracting people with the best social skills.  While I personally wouldn't assume to know what someone would want for breakfast, I fail to see what the problem with making what seems to be a harmless comment.

Thank goodness this episode didn't happen in December and this poor dude made the unforgivable act of saying "Hope you have a Merry Christmas..."  Half of London probably would have been in flames...
 
2013-06-15 08:48:01 PM

ReapTheChaos: Also, not everyone is aware that Muslims don't eat pork.


See, this puzzles the living sh*t out of me. What year is this, 2013 or 1013? Are we still limited to getting trans oceanic messages on sailing ships in two months? We can fly around the planet in hours, click a few keys on a computer and have anything we might ever want to know (and some things we don't, like bronies) about other peoples, other cultures, and other countries in almost all the languages of the world at our fingertips in sound, video or text. Our televisions have thousands of channels, including dozens that broadcast news and information 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

How in the fark could anyone not know that observant Muslims who have been in the country you live in for decades don't eat pork?

WTFingF?
 
2013-06-15 08:52:37 PM

Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.


Adults take responsibility for themselves, they don't expect everyone else to do it for them.  Is the guy an asshole?  Sure seems like it.  Is it at all rude to assume the HUMAN BEING in front of you can and will eat the same things you might eat?  Not even a little bit.

If you have religious, cultural or medical dietary restrictions, it's on YOU to make that known.  I assume you are homo sapien and can eat the same things other homo sapiens eat.  If you can really make a case for why that might be considered rude, you go right on ahead and do that.
 
2013-06-15 09:07:58 PM
I'd give up bacon (while she was looking).
 
2013-06-15 09:09:51 PM

Bedstead Polisher: mike_d85: I once said "camel jockey" at work on accident. True story. I was talking to a Moroccan guy to boot. We were having a conversation about camel races. No one was offended, nothing happened and there is no point to this story.

I am not familiar with that term as a racist expression. I think I saw a racist dictionary online once and was not familiar with the majority of terms. I think many might be regional.

Addressing many other comments in this thread:
As a Canadian, I am only familiar with the black people/watermelon thing from the internet (and sites like Fark that bring it up a lot). I really don't understand that one at all because I love watermelon. I'm pretty sure 95% of the population likes watermelon. To offer to bring watermelon to a picnic is a great thing because it's a sure crowd-pleaser. I'd hate to be a black American who feels uncomfortable eating watermelon around non-blacks because they'd be waiting for someone to make a comment.


It's a holdover from slavery. Black slaves brought watermelon seeds over from Africa, and planted them in the small patches of land allowed for gardening. Not only were they tasty, they were chock-full of water (duh), which provided refreshment after a long day in the fields. In the US, blacks and watermelons have been associated since, but it's considered somewhat derogatory due to the slavery connection.
 
2013-06-15 09:18:32 PM
rewind2846:

To be fair, while the access to information has never been greater, to expect any individual to have accessed all possible information is a bit much.  If someone has never been exposed to muslims, why would he/she seek out such information?  If your girlfriend doesn't follow football, should she still know Tom Brady's passing statistics?

Could you imagine the reaction someone going in for an interview would get if they said to the interviewer: "I see by your facebook page you are fond of Tijuana and Donkeys..."
 
2013-06-15 09:21:34 PM

jpo2269: To be fair, while the access to information has never been greater, to expect any individual to have accessed all possible information is a bit much.  If someone has never been exposed to muslims, why would he/she seek out such information?


Well come on now, most people know that Jews don't eat pig, why wouldn't they know Muslims don't? Especially in Europe, where there actually is a sizable Muslim population.
 
2013-06-15 09:32:47 PM
I think that it was very insensitive for the interviewer to mention breakfast in the first place. She automatically assumes that everyone eats breakfast. "Oh, look... here's a white Englishman... I'll bet he stuffs his face every morning."

What it if he was incapable of eating breakfast due to an injury he suffered in the war. Doesn't matter which one, but let's just say Falklands. Now he can only consume nourishment through liquids. A proper breakfast is now a distant painful memory until some insensitive biatch mentions it. In his flood of emotion, he lashed out. But she never considered that, huh? No... because it's all about her.

Or, perhaps he is fasting due to his religious requirements. Now who is being insensitive to whom? Shouldn't she be familiar with the dietary practices of all major and/or minor religions before she spouts off about someone being insensitive to hers?

She should've asked. Not doing so was insensitive.
 
2013-06-15 09:33:19 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Mambo Bananapatch: rumpelstiltskin: [if I said]  "I'll bring the watermelon to your picnic." I know damned well that would insult the black person, and if I were to say it, it's because that would be what I wanted to accomplish. No apology would be in order. On the other hand, if I didn't know how insensitive that would be, then I would feel bad about insulting him. It's not his fault he got insulted. It's my fault, and I would accept responsibility.

So, you'd tell the guy to sod off if he was angry that you had intentionally slurred him, but if you innocently offended him, you'd wring your hands and grovel.

Okey dokey then.

Well, yeah. If I do something that provokes a reaction, I'm going to be responsible for that reaction.
How old are you, three?


If you deliberately do something insulting, either you intend to provoke a reaction, or don't care if you provoke a reaction. So why apologize?

I guess I'm a bit older than you are, or perhaps just not as stupid.
 
2013-06-15 09:40:07 PM
oh! the drama.
 
2013-06-15 10:01:43 PM
So much butthurt over a sketchy-ass tabloid story. I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
 
2013-06-15 10:14:04 PM

Mugato: How is it even supposed to be common knowledge that Muslims (assuming she had a badge that said "Hi, I'm Muslim!) don't eat pork? The guy's a 58 year old computer nerd. Maybe that never occurred to him.


In addition lots of Muslims DO eat pork.... just because someone identifies with a particular religion does not mean they follow all the tenets of that religion.
 
2013-06-15 10:19:10 PM

rewind2846: Almea Tarrant: rewind2846: Almea Tarrant: Wouldn't it in fact be racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish...must be a Muslim!" ?

No, it wouldn't be "racist/bigoted/prejudiced/whatever for him to assume "Hey she's brownish... might be a Muslim! Maybe I shouldn't say the stupid thing about feeding her bacon that is about to come out of my mouth."

See what I did there? The bold is the key.

I do, I do see what you did there.  Changed what I said and completely missed the point.

No, I quoted you verbatim. I even bolded it (see above). You're the one who missed the point, that point being "if you don't know whether they're observant Muslims or not, assume they are unless they tell you otherwise and don't make stupid comments. In fact, try not to make stupid comments regardless and treat them like people".
I altered what you wrote WHEN I REPEATED IT to show how silly and erroneous your statement was. That's a common device on FARK, usually followed by the acronym "FTFY" (fixed that for you).

You've been here since 2011, you should know this.


So what you're saying is that you advocate judging people by their skin color.  Someone's skin is color X so I should treat them in manner Y...you know, just in case.  Brown skin, could be Muslim (bacon is bad!) or Hindu (under no circumstances talk about beef!) etc.

I worked with a woman from Iran, brownish skin with dark hair and eyes.  Despite her Iranian heritage neither she nor her parents practiced Islam (or any religion).  However, during the Iranian Revolution the practice of Islam mandatory for all citizens, face Mecca and pray 5 times a day, fast during Ramadan, etc...or else (in fact when she was in college a nasty trick was to report that someone you disliked was shirking religious duties as corporal punishment could be meted out).  She came to Canada with a strong dislike of religion in general and Islam in particular and was a staunch atheist.  She "looked" Muslim, not unreasonable considering her ancestry.  And she would NOT appreciate anyone assuming she was Muslim or treating her as such, quite reasonable considering her history.
How does that fit into your scenario?

Judging someone by their skin color...their race...no matter what your motivation, is racism.
 
2013-06-15 10:21:49 PM

jpo2269: rewind2846:

To be fair, while the access to information has never been greater, to expect any individual to have accessed all possible information is a bit much.  If someone has never been exposed to muslims, why would he/she seek out such information?  If your girlfriend doesn't follow football, should she still know Tom Brady's passing statistics?

Could you imagine the reaction someone going in for an interview would get if they said to the interviewer: "I see by your facebook page you are fond of Tijuana and Donkeys..."


Then how does one explain my knowledge as a child the basics of being a Muslim, like the Hajj, the prayers, and the pork... when I was ten. In 1972. Way before the internet. And my family is southern baptist (my father is a deacon at his church).

The girlfriend is a very poor analogy, in that she may not be able to tell you who Tom Brady is, but she can tell you that there are two teams, the goal of the game is to cross the other team's line with the ball, and each team gets four tries to do that before they have to give the ball to the other team and let them try. Nothing complicated.

One does not even have to be "exposed" to Muslims (as if they were a disease)... passive listening and reading of media, especially after september 11th, 2001, should give you that basic information many times over.
There is no excuse for this chucklehead. None. That's why I don't believe that he was simply ignorant (lack of knowledge) about what he said. It was deliberate.
 
2013-06-15 10:23:11 PM

FirstNationalBastard: UnspokenVoice: FirstNationalBastard: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Obviously, it's time that we all started living in bubbles and never interacting with other people ever again.

/she could have not been a douche and said "I'm muslim, I don't eat pork.", which probably would have led him to say "Oh, sorry, my bad.", and the problem would have been solved. But, no, being an oversensitive douchette was her choice instead.

Where the hell did you learn to punctuate your sentences? Do you just shotgun stuff out there and hope it sticks?

No, I "believe" I learned. it in ä (school)...?


They taught you wrong I am pretty sure - though I suppose it may have been my instructors.

She said, "I'm a Muslim, I don't eat pork." Which would have been... (Only you'd probably not use "which" at that point.) That's one example.

Punctuation goes inside quotes and parentheses (usually). Also, .", is never acceptable unless they've gone and changed the language. My last English courses where at the collegiate level and some 30 years ago so I suppose they could have changed things.
 
2013-06-15 10:23:36 PM

TheJoe03: emtbiz: deported

You assume all non-white people in the UK are foreigners?


That country is filled with invaders.  Nobody ever seems to care about the native Englanders.  The Romans invaded, the Vikings invaded, the rest of Europe even invaded and/or intermarried with their monarchs.  Collectively they committed true genocide against the druids or whoever it was that built Stonehenge (aliens?).

At least Americans didn't commit complete genocide and even granted our natives some patches of wasteland here and there.
 
2013-06-15 10:23:40 PM
Never mind the bacon: why is it that every bimbo like her has a job, while plenty of smart, well-trained men like him are on their ass?
 
2013-06-15 10:24:35 PM

UnspokenVoice: FirstNationalBastard: UnspokenVoice: FirstNationalBastard: Somacandra: Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?

Maybe he shouldn't have assumed she wasn't? Making assumptions about people's dietary/religious habits when you don't know them is rude. When I ask people over for dinner or go out with colleagues, the first question you ask is whether there are any places or foods to avoid for allergic or cultural or religious reasons. Its bloody well common courtesy. If he wanted to tell them to sod off rather than admit he was rude then that's his choice. Quit whining that you lost your contract because of your own rudeness. Grow up and act like an adult.

Well, we've reached the point that innocently offering to bring bacon sandwiches is now considered "rude".

Obviously, it's time that we all started living in bubbles and never interacting with other people ever again.

/she could have not been a douche and said "I'm muslim, I don't eat pork.", which probably would have led him to say "Oh, sorry, my bad.", and the problem would have been solved. But, no, being an oversensitive douchette was her choice instead.

Where the hell did you learn to punctuate your sentences? Do you just shotgun stuff out there and hope it sticks?

No, I "believe" I learned. it in ä (school)...?

They taught you wrong I am pretty sure - though I suppose it may have been my instructors.

She said, "I'm a Muslim, I don't eat pork." Which would have been... (Only you'd probably not use "which" at that point.) That's one example.

Punctuation goes inside quotes and parentheses (usually). Also, .", is never acceptable unless they've gone and changed the language. My last English courses where at the collegiate level and some 30 years ago so I suppose they could have changed things.


Crap that should have said INSIDE the parenthesis (usually) unless the entire sentence is within the parenthesis in which case they go inside.
 
2013-06-15 10:26:49 PM
TheJoe03,

While you and I know that practicing Jewish and Muslim people don't dig on swine, but I do not think it is a stretch to realize that there are many decent people who would have no idea what foods a particular religion allows.

Growing up in an Irish-Catholic house, every Friday we did not eat meat-Friday night was "cheese pizza night."  Now I would not expect someone whom is not a practicing Catholic to know this fact, even though the intertubes hold this information.
 
2013-06-15 10:29:37 PM
Over sensitive female or undercover racist?

If you are the kind of racist that would make that kind of remark to a person so important for your future job then I'm quite sure there should be other evidence of his ignorant nature.

or it could go like this?
Dude: I'll get the bacon sandwiches."
Lady: "Oh, thanks but I don't eat bacon."
Dude: "Oh I'm sorry I'll get you something nice you do want."
Lady: "Thanks, see you then, goodbye."
Dude: "Goodbye."

I'm really not one to blame the victim, but if she didn't say anything about his choice of words at the time in the moment then she's the one not being professional.  If you think someone is making an underhanded insult call them out then and there and address it before both sides walk away with false impressions.

Oh wait, its the Mail? Probably a made up story anyway.
 
2013-06-15 10:29:51 PM

TV's Vinnie: HASN'T ANY MUSLIM EVER HEARD OF TURKEY BACON YET???!!


I thought the filter kept people from using swear words.
 
2013-06-15 10:40:59 PM

Almea Tarrant: So what you're saying is that you advocate judging people by their skin color. Someone's skin is color X so I should treat them in manner Y...you know, just in case. Brown skin, could be Muslim (bacon is bad!) or Hindu (under no circumstances talk about beef!) etc.


The solution would be that when you meet this person, why not just ask? If you know their name and where they are from, ask about what they believe. It's called "getting to know a person". If I ask someone like several of my college classmates who are Muslim and are all different shades (one was blonde) to lunch, one of the questions would be... where would you like to go. The answer will give a wealth of information. Just by sitting a talking with a person you can find out if they are Jewish, Muslim, Catholic< protestant, Atheist, whatever.

Judging someone by their skin color...their race...no matter what your motivation, is racism.

I happen to be a dark skinned person. If I'm sitting with my white friends and they are slathering on SPF2000 sun lotion so they don't look like lobster and don't offer me any, am I offended? No, they correctly assumed that the likelihood of sunburn for me would be lower due to my excellent protective coloring.

See, there's a difference between "judging" and "thinking". Judging involves equations of worth compared to yourself or other members of your or other groups. If I refuse to rent you an apartment, or to hire you for a job, or to sell you a car, or refuse to serve you in a restaurant, or use degrading and filthy slurs toward you because of the color of your skin, that is racism. I have judged you as "less than" and unworthy. If you're a pale redhead and I suggest that you should get some sunscreen before we hit the beach, that is not racism.

Words mean things. Get some.
 
2013-06-15 10:49:04 PM

gfid: That country is filled with invaders


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-15 10:52:59 PM

jpo2269: While you and I know that practicing Jewish and Muslim people don't dig on swine, but I do not think it is a stretch to realize that there are many decent people who would have no idea what foods a particular religion allows.


Fair enough.
 
2013-06-15 11:07:36 PM

rewind2846: Almea Tarrant: So what you're saying is that you advocate judging people by their skin color. Someone's skin is color X so I should treat them in manner Y...you know, just in case. Brown skin, could be Muslim (bacon is bad!) or Hindu (under no circumstances talk about beef!) etc.

The solution would be that when you meet this person, why not just ask? If you know their name and where they are from, ask about what they believe. It's called "getting to know a person". If I ask someone like several of my college classmates who are Muslim and are all different shades (one was blonde) to lunch, one of the questions would be... where would you like to go. The answer will give a wealth of information. Just by sitting a talking with a person you can find out if they are Jewish, Muslim, Catholic< protestant, Atheist, whatever.

Judging someone by their skin color...their race...no matter what your motivation, is racism.

I happen to be a dark skinned person. If I'm sitting with my white friends and they are slathering on SPF2000 sun lotion so they don't look like lobster and don't offer me any, am I offended? No, they correctly assumed that the likelihood of sunburn for me would be lower due to my excellent protective coloring.

See, there's a difference between "judging" and "thinking". Judging involves equations of worth compared to yourself or other members of your or other groups. If I refuse to rent you an apartment, or to hire you for a job, or to sell you a car, or refuse to serve you in a restaurant, or use degrading and filthy slurs toward you because of the color of your skin, that is racism. I have judged you as "less than" and unworthy. If you're a pale redhead and I suggest that you should get some sunscreen before we hit the beach, that is not racism.

Words mean things. Get some.


Well, it can be pretty hard to get to know every person you meet.  For example whole start of this was about TFA which was referring to a job interview...not exactly a circumstance in which you have a chat about people's beliefs.

Also lack of sunburn doesn't necessarily mean reduced risk of skin cancer for all people...you might want to grab the suncreen anyway.

I'd go on but I needs to look fur more wurds.
 
2013-06-15 11:09:11 PM

Slaxl: It's quite simple. If he knew, or suspected she was Muslim and offered her the sandwich then he's a dick. Who goes straight to a bacon sandwich first? That's not a normal thank you offer. Flowers, chocolate, wine, or some offer of general food "lunch", "dinner", are what people say, no one jumps straight in to a specific foodtype, let alone to bacon when the person happens to be muslim. So I suspect he knew and said it deliberately, hopefully as a joke, because why would he want to wind up the person who got him a job?

However there's the possibility that he didn't know, and was just a genial old man trying to be nice, in which case she should have responded with a "no thanks", and left it there. If that is the case then he doesn't owe her an apology. Taking offence to an innocuous remark, or even a joke is a product of a poor personality. Taking offence to a deliberate slight is a different matter, though still rather pointless.

I am just going to assume both were in the wrong, if any of this story is true.


In the UK a bacon sandwich is a very common breakfast snack. I can totally see it as a generic comment he would make to anyone. It is certainly not some strange food that would make anyone wonder why he'd suggest it.

And I know Muslims and used to work for a company owned by Muslim brothers. They'd take all the staff out for a meal and buy anything, the only exception being alcohol. But even then they said if anyone wanted to buy beer or wine they could buy it themselves, it was just something they did not wish to pay for themselves. Out of simple manners none of us bought alcohol.
 
2013-06-15 11:26:11 PM

jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail


Yes, it is a common item. A "bacon sarnie" would be a very common thing to suggest for a work breakfast or lunch snack. Fried bacon in two slices of bread, a bun or french stick, with ketchup or HP sauce...

/Damn, now I'm hungry...
 
2013-06-15 11:27:07 PM

rewind2846: Almea Tarrant: So what you're saying is that you advocate judging people by their skin color. Someone's skin is color X so I should treat them in manner Y...you know, just in case. Brown skin, could be Muslim (bacon is bad!) or Hindu (under no circumstances talk about beef!) etc.

The solution would be that when you meet this person, why not just ask? If you know their name and where they are from, ask about what they believe. It's called "getting to know a person". If I ask someone like several of my college classmates who are Muslim and are all different shades (one was blonde) to lunch, one of the questions would be... where would you like to go. The answer will give a wealth of information. Just by sitting a talking with a person you can find out if they are Jewish, Muslim, Catholic< protestant, Atheist, whatever.


In a job interview?  Really?  I don't know about the UK, but in the US if you start asking job applicants what their religion is, you're asking for trouble.  I suppose the applicant could get away with asking and only risk not being hired, but in professional interviews some things are not appropriate.

It's one thing to ask such things in social setting where you're on relatively friendly terms.  I've worked with Jews, Muslims, Hindus and even Christians - also agnostics and outright atheists.  It's usually not something that comes up the first few times I meet them.

How would it go over if every Indian I came across one of the first things I said was "Oh, you have dark skin, an Indian sounding name and an Indian accent, are you Hindu or something?"   I doubt anyone fitting that description would appreciate the presumptuousness of such a question.
 
2013-06-15 11:33:34 PM

buckler: When I was laid up after a hospitalization, my Muslim neighbor kindly offered to pick me up a pizza while she was out. Without thinking, I asked for one that included sausage. She asked if it had pork in it, and with an internal headsmack, I admitted that it did. Because she can't handle products with pork in them, I picked a different kind with all beef products for the meat, and apologized. After all, she was doing me a kindness. No need to be a jackass on either side.


I've heard about a trick a police station in the UK plays on new coppers on their first day. They send them to the snack bar next door, owned and run by Muslims, and ask them to get some bacon sandwiches. The Muslim behind the counter throws a hissy fit at being asked for bacon and threatens to complain to the police.
Of course all the other coppers laugh their heads off when the poor newbie gets back empty handed and tells him to go back. The snack bar owner has the bacon sandwiches ready with a huge smile on his face.

/There are lots of Muslims here who own snack bars that happily serve bacon. Just as every Muslim owned corner shop sells beer and wine.
 
2013-06-15 11:36:33 PM
rewind2846:

Asking a question about your childhood, given the fact I know nothing about you other than the fact you post on Fark is a pretty silly question.  If indeed (and I will take you at your word) you knew about the Haj and the fact Muslims did not eat pork at the age of 10, then you parents deserve mad props to exposing you (not a disease) to cultures other than yours.

As for me (and I do think I had some pretty great parents), being raised Irish-Catholic, at the age of 10 I knew I couldn't eat meat on Fridays and Friday night was "cheese pizza night."  Ask me about the differences between religions and I would not have much to say, but ask me about the Miami Dolphins, Baltimore Orioles, or airplanes and I could talk your ears off.

Different people have different interests and if they are not "exposed" (not as a disease) foreign beliefs, interests of religions, then most are not going to become familiar with something that does not affect their lives.

For example, I know Cricket is a game, I know Cricket is a very popular game in many countries and I know that there is a great skill level involved in playing Cricket..  As much as I have tried to understand the game, I could not tell you anything of value about the game of Cricket..Being able to do so does not at this point affect my life or livelihood.

Specifically, I do know that Muslims do not eat port, or dig on swine.  When did I learn about this?  I really do not know; it was at some point between the age of 18-30....an
 
2013-06-16 02:11:27 AM
gfid:
It's one thing to ask such things in social setting where you're on relatively friendly terms.  I've worked with Jews, Muslims, Hindus and even Christians - also agnostics and outright atheists.  It's usually not something that comes up the first few times I meet them.

FTA: "At the end of the 15-minute meeting earlier this month, recruitment consultant Sharika Sacranie, 29, shook Mr Hunt's hand and said she would come and meet him for breakfast the following week, to which he replied: 'I'll get the bacon sandwiches in.'

The appropriate response would be "I'll see you then, Ms Sacranie". Now if the Daily Fail has any of this correct, they knew each other well enough AFTER the interview to have a business breakfast the following week.

Also, you can find out a lot about people without asking what religion they are. What they like to do, what school they went to, etc. Their hobbies and activities can give the questioner a good insight as to what the interviewee is about. Now if their name was one that someone from the middle east might have (and I would know this because I would have done some research before the interview) then I would think "there's a possibility that this person may be Muslim. If I'm going to invite them out to breakfast, I should choose a place that doesn't serve haraam food". That may also be the time I would ask them if the restaurant I chose was okay.

If they choose to tell me they are Muslim, I'm okay. If they choose not to tell me they are Muslim, I'm still okay. Either way I win, because I took the time to think first, speak second, and do last.

Anyway, none of this excuses this guy. He farked up, then compounded the fark up by not apologizing when given the opportunity to save his job and his ass. Too many people across the pond (and in this thread) are threatened by the "brown invasion" as I see it labeled in British newspapers and opinion columns, and this is just another example of that coming to the surface. Here it's Mexicans, there's it's Muslims, but in both places it's the same old bullsh*t. It makes sense that this would come from an older guy too, one who grew up in a Britain that was oh so very white.
 
2013-06-16 02:24:04 AM

jpo2269: Specifically, I do know that Muslims do not eat port, or dig on swine. When did I learn about this? I really do not know; it was at some point between the age of 18-30....an


And this guy is 58 years old, living in a place where he probably sees or hears about Muslims fairly regularly.
He must be a really slow learner.
 
2013-06-16 05:50:28 AM
Even if he knew she was a Muslim somehow (which, short of reading minds or giant pictures of Mohammed everywhere in her office I'm not sure how he would), it's pretty silly to expect him to know every facet of every crazy religion out there he's not part of. Lady, it's time to act like an responsible adult, and stamp everything people can't talk to you about on your forehead. Afterall, we don't want you going crazy on us and trying to decapitate us with your scimitar for mentioning Grape Nuts or something. Now put your damned veil back on before some infidel loses his mind and says hello to you sinfully.
 
2013-06-16 07:07:14 AM

Flint Ironstag: Slaxl: It's quite simple. If he knew, or suspected she was Muslim and offered her the sandwich then he's a dick. Who goes straight to a bacon sandwich first? That's not a normal thank you offer. Flowers, chocolate, wine, or some offer of general food "lunch", "dinner", are what people say, no one jumps straight in to a specific foodtype, let alone to bacon when the person happens to be muslim. So I suspect he knew and said it deliberately, hopefully as a joke, because why would he want to wind up the person who got him a job?

However there's the possibility that he didn't know, and was just a genial old man trying to be nice, in which case she should have responded with a "no thanks", and left it there. If that is the case then he doesn't owe her an apology. Taking offence to an innocuous remark, or even a joke is a product of a poor personality. Taking offence to a deliberate slight is a different matter, though still rather pointless.

I am just going to assume both were in the wrong, if any of this story is true.

In the UK a bacon sandwich is a very common breakfast snack. I can totally see it as a generic comment he would make to anyone. It is certainly not some strange food that would make anyone wonder why he'd suggest it.

And I know Muslims and used to work for a company owned by Muslim brothers. They'd take all the staff out for a meal and buy anything, the only exception being alcohol. But even then they said if anyone wanted to buy beer or wine they could buy it themselves, it was just something they did not wish to pay for themselves. Out of simple manners none of us bought alcohol.


Is it? I've never heard anyone talk about one, let alone seen anyone eat one... though writing that did make me think about all the times I've had breakfast... which is 0, and I certainly don't go out to have breakfast, so how would I know? Still seems odd, but if it really is popular then I'll let him off that one. Also I might go out for a bacon sandwich tomorrow.
 
2013-06-16 07:17:01 AM
in the article he stated that he did not know she was a muslem so how they do this
 
2013-06-16 10:32:17 AM

jpo2269: rewind2846:

Asking a question about your childhood, given the fact I know nothing about you other than the fact you post on Fark is a pretty silly question.  If indeed (and I will take you at your word) you knew about the Haj and the fact Muslims did not eat pork at the age of 10, then you parents deserve mad props to exposing you (not a disease) to cultures other than yours.

As for me (and I do think I had some pretty great parents), being raised Irish-Catholic, at the age of 10 I knew I couldn't eat meat on Fridays and Friday night was "cheese pizza night."  Ask me about the differences between religions and I would not have much to say, but ask me about the Miami Dolphins, Baltimore Orioles, or airplanes and I could talk your ears off.

Different people have different interests and if they are not "exposed" (not as a disease) foreign beliefs, interests of religions, then most are not going to become familiar with something that does not affect their lives.

For example, I know Cricket is a game, I know Cricket is a very popular game in many countries and I know that there is a great skill level involved in playing Cricket..  As much as I have tried to understand the game, I could not tell you anything of value about the game of Cricket..Being able to do so does not at this point affect my life or livelihood.

Specifically, I do know that Muslims do not eat port, or dig on swine.  When did I learn about this?  I really do not know; it was at some point between the age of 18-30....an


I am in the same boat.  I grew up in rural WV.  Seeing any non-white person was a once in a blue moon occurrence.  Even going to the city (Pittsburgh) we'd see some diversity but not much.  I learned the basics about the major religions in high school, but not every detail down to eating customs.  In school I was worried about grades, sports, extracurricular, friends, all that bullshiat.  I guess I should've spent my time researching every detail of every culture/religion.  Some of us don't have exposure to other cultures, not out of avoidance, but out of a complete lack of diversity in our areas.  And yet it had no bearing on my tolerance to others, as I was raised right.  Am I ignorant of some things, like the fact that Muslims don't eat port or drink alcohol as an example? I was, at least until I went to medical school where I met all sorts of different people.  Does that make me intolerant? No, that's completely unfair.  I shouldn't be labeled as such just because of the region of the country I came from.  Just as being a minority from NYC doesn't make you cultured and tolerant.  In fact, I see the opposite quite often.  Meh, just a rant from someone that comes from a region where you're automatically assumed to be a bigoted redneck.
 
2013-06-16 11:35:43 AM
CW,

Obviously, you had some pretty poor parents and I hope you remind your father of this fact when you call him today.

j/k,
 
2013-06-16 12:49:03 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: The question is how was he supposed to know she was Muslim?  Guess he should have offered vegetarian baked beans on toast.  Life lesson learned.  Oh and SOD off!


Pretty much. Eventually everybody will dress and act like Muslims, including oppressing women and imposing the integration of church and state under sharia law, for fear of accidentally offending anyone who might happen to be Muslim.

/taqiyah: it works, biatches
//and the progressives will give it their full support, right up until they are told they won't be the ones in charge of the benevolent dictatorship
///then they'll be rounded up and nerve gassed by the not-so-benevolent dictatorship they handed power to
 
2013-06-16 01:28:07 PM
I am truly amazed at the numbers of people in here that believe what the guy said was in any manner offensive, or place any burden on him for knowing she doesn't eat bacon.

Oh well, hopefully we can route around such damage.
 
2013-06-16 02:21:56 PM

Flint Ironstag: jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail

Yes, it is a common item. A "bacon sarnie" would be a very common thing to suggest for a work breakfast or lunch snack. Fried bacon in two slices of bread, a bun or french stick, with ketchup or HP sauce...

/Damn, now I'm hungry...


I was with you until you said Ketchup.  I'm not sure what HP sauce is, so you get a pass there... but you would dare to put ketchup on bacon?  Foul, that is just simply foul.  (unless ketchup is something totally different over there)
 
2013-06-16 02:47:47 PM

Kahabut: Flint Ironstag: jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail

Yes, it is a common item. A "bacon sarnie" would be a very common thing to suggest for a work breakfast or lunch snack. Fried bacon in two slices of bread, a bun or french stick, with ketchup or HP sauce...

/Damn, now I'm hungry...

I was with you until you said Ketchup.  I'm not sure what HP sauce is, so you get a pass there... but you would dare to put ketchup on bacon?  Foul, that is just simply foul.  (unless ketchup is something totally different over there)


No, ketchup is ketchup. The biggest brand is Heinz and it's the exact same thing. HP Sauce is brown ('Brown sauce' is the generic name, HP is a brand) and has a bitter, acidic, taste. It's good on chips (fries) etc, though I prefer mayonnaise on my fries. But that's more a Belgian thing.
 
2013-06-16 02:50:01 PM

Flint Ironstag: Kahabut: Flint Ironstag: jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail

Yes, it is a common item. A "bacon sarnie" would be a very common thing to suggest for a work breakfast or lunch snack. Fried bacon in two slices of bread, a bun or french stick, with ketchup or HP sauce...

/Damn, now I'm hungry...

I was with you until you said Ketchup.  I'm not sure what HP sauce is, so you get a pass there... but you would dare to put ketchup on bacon?  Foul, that is just simply foul.  (unless ketchup is something totally different over there)

No, ketchup is ketchup. The biggest brand is Heinz and it's the exact same thing. HP Sauce is brown ('Brown sauce' is the generic name, HP is a brand) and has a bitter, acidic, taste. It's good on chips (fries) etc, though I prefer mayonnaise on my fries. But that's more a Belgian thing.


Hmm, still think that's foul.  Mayo on fries though, I can get down with that.

/I sound fat
 
2013-06-16 03:21:58 PM

Kahabut: Flint Ironstag: Kahabut: Flint Ironstag: jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail

Yes, it is a common item. A "bacon sarnie" would be a very common thing to suggest for a work breakfast or lunch snack. Fried bacon in two slices of bread, a bun or french stick, with ketchup or HP sauce...

/Damn, now I'm hungry...

I was with you until you said Ketchup.  I'm not sure what HP sauce is, so you get a pass there... but you would dare to put ketchup on bacon?  Foul, that is just simply foul.  (unless ketchup is something totally different over there)

No, ketchup is ketchup. The biggest brand is Heinz and it's the exact same thing. HP Sauce is brown ('Brown sauce' is the generic name, HP is a brand) and has a bitter, acidic, taste. It's good on chips (fries) etc, though I prefer mayonnaise on my fries. But that's more a Belgian thing.

Hmm, still think that's foul.  Mayo on fries though, I can get down with that.

/I sound fat


According to Wikipedia Brown sauce is similar to Steak sauce in the US. And it even mentions it is common to use on bacon sandwiches.
 
2013-06-16 05:17:30 PM

Kahabut: Flint Ironstag: Kahabut: Flint Ironstag: jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail

Yes, it is a common item. A "bacon sarnie" would be a very common thing to suggest for a work breakfast or lunch snack. Fried bacon in two slices of bread, a bun or french stick, with ketchup or HP sauce...

/Damn, now I'm hungry...

I was with you until you said Ketchup.  I'm not sure what HP sauce is, so you get a pass there... but you would dare to put ketchup on bacon?  Foul, that is just simply foul.  (unless ketchup is something totally different over there)

No, ketchup is ketchup. The biggest brand is Heinz and it's the exact same thing. HP Sauce is brown ('Brown sauce' is the generic name, HP is a brand) and has a bitter, acidic, taste. It's good on chips (fries) etc, though I prefer mayonnaise on my fries. But that's more a Belgian thing.

Hmm, still think that's foul.  Mayo on fries though, I can get down with that.

/I sound fat


What exactly would you expect British food to be? Of course it sucks!
 
2013-06-16 08:33:26 PM

Flint Ironstag: Kahabut: Flint Ironstag: Kahabut: Flint Ironstag: jaytkay: Is "bacon sandwich" a common menu item in the UK?

Nobody in the US says, "Breakfast? Great, I'll bring the bacon sandwiches!"

Bacon & egg, yep. Bacon lettuce tomato, yep. Simply bacon? Nope.

/ Implausible story is implausible.
// I expect better quality racism from a prestigious paper like the Mail

Yes, it is a common item. A "bacon sarnie" would be a very common thing to suggest for a work breakfast or lunch snack. Fried bacon in two slices of bread, a bun or french stick, with ketchup or HP sauce...

/Damn, now I'm hungry...

I was with you until you said Ketchup.  I'm not sure what HP sauce is, so you get a pass there... but you would dare to put ketchup on bacon?  Foul, that is just simply foul.  (unless ketchup is something totally different over there)

No, ketchup is ketchup. The biggest brand is Heinz and it's the exact same thing. HP Sauce is brown ('Brown sauce' is the generic name, HP is a brand) and has a bitter, acidic, taste. It's good on chips (fries) etc, though I prefer mayonnaise on my fries. But that's more a Belgian thing.

Hmm, still think that's foul.  Mayo on fries though, I can get down with that.

/I sound fat

According to Wikipedia Brown sauce is similar to Steak sauce in the US. And it even mentions it is common to use on bacon sandwiches.


I'm Canadian, and proudly addicted to HP sauce since I as a toddler. My mother told me that I, at the age of four, once asked the waitress at the Woolworths cafe for HP to enjoy with a sugar doughnut.

HP is a staple in Canadian grocery stores, which is appropriate because it comprises its own major food group. There is no comparison with steak sauces, particularly such pap as A1 sauce. As a Canadian living in the US, much of my free time is spent foraging for HP sauce. It is more rare than truffles. I have occasionally chartered a Learjet to fly back to Canada to pick up a bottle. Some things are just worth the extra effort.

The HP company pays me consulting fees to ensure they maintain the subtle nuances and quality of their sauce. Well, not really but they should.
 
2013-06-16 08:40:39 PM

Farxist Marxist: I'm Canadian, and proudly addicted to HP sauce since I as a toddler. My mother told me that I, at the age of four, once asked the waitress at the Woolworths cafe for HP to enjoy with a sugar doughnut.

HP is a staple in Canadian grocery stores, which is appropriate because it comprises its own major food group. There is no comparison with steak sauces, particularly such pap as A1 sauce. As a Canadian living in the US, much of my free time is spent foraging for HP sauce. It is more rare than truffles. I have occasionally chartered a Learjet to fly back to Canada to pick up a bottle. Some things are just worth the extra effort.

The HP company pays me consulting fees to ensure they maintain the subtle nuances and quality of their sauce. Well, not really but they should.


Next time you're in LA the Laurel Canyon Country Store has a section of English food including HP sauce.

/And Mars bars, Tetley tea, Marmite etc.
 
2013-06-16 08:46:15 PM

Flint Ironstag: Next time you're in LA the Laurel Canyon Country Store has a section of English food including HP sauce.

/And Mars bars, Tetley tea, Marmite etc.


Good to know, thank you!
 
2013-06-17 12:03:02 AM

ACunningPlan: bmihura: TV's Vinnie: bmihura: Enough with the UK links.

Apparently, the Daily Mail pays Drew a sh*ton of euros to keep the links flowing.

THE SPICE LINKS MUST FLOW!

OK, that makes sense. Fark would be so much better without all the UK links though.

I'm offended by that statement. It suggests the UK links are inferior; that by being inclusive of UK links, the superior quality of Fark is being diluted or somehow tainted, and thus the UK links should be kept out of Fark to preserve it's purity.


You gotta admit we were living in high cotton when similar sort of weird poutrage tales were coming from Mainichi Wai Wai. God I miss those links.
 
2013-06-17 12:14:26 AM

Farxist Marxist: Flint Ironstag: Next time you're in LA the Laurel Canyon Country Store has a section of English food including HP sauce.

/And Mars bars, Tetley tea, Marmite etc.

Good to know, thank you!


If only they sold proper UK made Coca Cola in cans. I just cannot drink US Coca Cola. The Mexican Coke is better, but not quite the same.
 
2013-06-17 12:39:37 AM

Flint Ironstag: Farxist Marxist: Flint Ironstag: Next time you're in LA the Laurel Canyon Country Store has a section of English food including HP sauce.

/And Mars bars, Tetley tea, Marmite etc.

Good to know, thank you!

If only they sold proper UK made Coca Cola in cans. I just cannot drink US Coca Cola. The Mexican Coke is better, but not quite the same.


Prolly UK Coca Cola contains HP sauce. That would account for the improved taste.
 
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