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(The Daily Caller)   Remember the heartwarming story of the CT barber who gives free haircuts to the homeless? Well, CT health officials decided that good deed had gone unpunished for far too long   (dailycaller.com) divider line 64
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2013-06-15 10:00:01 AM
stay classy conn.
 
2013-06-15 10:23:44 AM
Got a source on this that's not from the bow-tied dick's derp site?

I am more than willing to believe that a state government can be that stupid, but at the same time I want to make sure there's not something else going on.
 
2013-06-15 10:30:46 AM
These rule are in place for the good of society. Deal with it.
 
2013-06-15 10:42:36 AM

jake_lex: Got a source on this that's not from the bow-tied dick's derp site?

I am more than willing to believe that a state government can be that stupid, but at the same time I want to make sure there's not something else going on.


It's an AP wire story.

I was unaware that mayors  can give "special dispensations" from municipal ordinances.
 
2013-06-15 11:14:28 AM
The headline read he was "bullied".

So all you need is crowds of people behind the barber and glaring at the officials and police and they will cower down.

I mean, that's the way it's suppose to work, amirite?
 
2013-06-15 11:37:31 AM

OtherLittleGuy: The headline read he was "bullied".

So all you need is crowds of people behind the barber and glaring at the officials and police and they will cower down.

I mean, that's the way it's suppose to work, amirite?


Ask Occupy Wall Street about that.
 
2013-06-15 11:57:11 AM
Authoritarians, 'Christians', police, rich people should start being a little more nicer to homeless.

When that random 10 mile wide meteor slams into this place Earth, that we all call home, we humans will all be reduced to the same level. Money wont matter. Guns wont matter. Police wont matter. Politics. God, Jesus and Disneyland wont matter. Guess which people will already know how to live without?

They will get to watch all the people running around, trying to charge their phones, trying to get clean, trying to find food. Killing each other for ammo.

But wait, what's that? looks like that big meteor brought a few more friends with him.

God is in his holy temple.
Earthly thoughts, be silent now.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2013-06-15 12:05:50 PM
I bet 10 bucks someone complained because they had to see homeless people in their parks.
 
2013-06-15 12:48:01 PM

MBK: I bet 10 bucks someone complained because they had to see homeless people in their parks.


And their dogs were tracking homeless hair on the carpets.
 
2013-06-15 12:54:56 PM
CT. is only classy or compassionate it you are rich.  Otherwise they have no use or interest in people being helped.
 
2013-06-15 12:58:33 PM
On another note:  So are they going to hassle every Mom, Dad or friend that cuts someones hair?  He didn't take any compensation, but a hug. I occasionally drive friends around, but I not longer have a public service licence, I don't charge them, maybe we just have lunch dutch treat.  Am I gonna get busted also?
 
GBB
2013-06-15 01:54:58 PM

Godscrack: Authoritarians, 'Christians', police, rich people should start being a little more nicer to homeless.

When that random 10 mile wide meteor slams into this place Earth, that we all call home, we humans will all be reduced to the same level. Money wont matter. Guns wont matter. Police wont matter. Politics. God, Jesus and Disneyland wont matter. Guess which people will already know how to live without?

They will get to watch all the people running around, trying to charge their phones, trying to get clean, trying to find food. Killing each other for ammo.

But wait, what's that? looks like that big meteor brought a few more friends with him.

God is in his holy temple.
Earthly thoughts, be silent now.


Actually, I think guns will matter.
 
2013-06-15 01:55:25 PM
I don't want to give clicks to whatever site that is, but if this is about keeping instruments sanitized, I'm with the officials.  I already don't care for sharing with random people who presumably have jobs, Barbicide notwithstanding.

If you know the name of the barber being murdered, press 1.
 
2013-06-15 01:55:35 PM

RedPhoenix122: OtherLittleGuy: The headline read he was "bullied".

So all you need is crowds of people behind the barber and glaring at the officials and police and they will cower down.

I mean, that's the way it's suppose to work, amirite?

Ask Occupy Wall Street about that.


I don't think the barber is going to throw Molotov cocktails at the police so he will be better off than the ows group
 
2013-06-15 01:55:36 PM
"It's all about inspiring people to do things for the least of our brothers," he said.
 
2013-06-15 01:55:47 PM
I'm sure licensed barbers have some cursory health training, as they were once ranked with surgeons and the root and bark lady.

There's a need for hair cutters to check for lice, scurvy, leprosy, genital warts, skin infections, rabies, caligula among the very poor and unwashed. Probably some truth to that.
 
2013-06-15 01:55:51 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: These rule are in place for the good of society. Deal with it.


6/10 your gonna get some bites you horrible person you
 
2013-06-15 01:58:20 PM
Less derp-y article, include the barber being allowed to continue.

http://www.registercitizen.com/articles/2013/06/14/news/doc51ba3ebaa 92 79814500933.txt
 
2013-06-15 01:59:48 PM
Seems that a place like CT would insist that its homeless be well groomed. Someone in the HD didn't get the memo.
 
2013-06-15 02:00:35 PM
You need a license to cut hair?
 
2013-06-15 02:01:51 PM

BitwiseShift: I'm sure licensed barbers have some cursory health training, as they were once ranked with surgeons and the root and bark lady.

There's a need for hair cutters to check for lice, scurvy, leprosy, genital warts, skin infections, rabies, caligula among the very poor and unwashed. Probably some truth to that.


wat
 
2013-06-15 02:03:14 PM
I haven't been to a barber in twenty years. I cut my own, what's left of it. I block the back like a pro. I'm sure there is some law being violated.
 
2013-06-15 02:03:26 PM

Precision Boobery: I don't want to give clicks to whatever site that is, but if this is about keeping instruments sanitized, I'm with the officials.  I already don't care for sharing with random people who presumably have jobs, Barbicide notwithstanding.

If you know the name of the barber being murdered, press 1.


He doesn't have license, state health officials said he needs one, mayor says he can keep doing what he's doing, city official offered him help getting the license.
 
2013-06-15 02:05:59 PM

Godscrack: They will get to watch all the people running around, trying to charge their phones, trying to get clean, trying to find food. Killing each other for ammo.


GBB: Godscrack: Authoritarians, 'Christians', police, rich people should start being a little more nicer to homeless.

When that random 10 mile wide meteor slams into this place Earth, that we all call home, we humans will all be reduced to the same level. Money wont matter. Guns wont matter. Police wont matter. Politics. God, Jesus and Disneyland wont matter. Guess which people will already know how to live without?

They will get to watch all the people running around, trying to charge their phones, trying to get clean, trying to find food. Killing each other for ammo.

But wait, what's that? looks like that big meteor brought a few more friends with him.

God is in his holy temple.
Earthly thoughts, be silent now.

Actually, I think guns will matter.


It will be like Fallout 3, but without the cool energy weapons.

/always wanted a Plasma rifle.
 
2013-06-15 02:10:08 PM

meanmutton: He doesn't have license, state health officials said he needs one, mayor says he can keep doing what he's doing, city official offered him help getting the license.


When it comes to licenses for stuff like this often it's just for those engaging in it as a profession/business. So someone doing it just to do it and not getting paid nor operating a place of business would not need a license. Surprised it isn't that way in CT.
 
2013-06-15 02:11:20 PM
Link to non-derp site.

TL;DR (but it's a short article):  he was giving haircuts in a city park, the cops said "you can't do that", the mayor said "oh, yes he can".  Apparently he doesn't have a barber's license.
 
2013-06-15 02:13:06 PM
Rule #2

Don't be poor.
 
2013-06-15 02:15:24 PM

Godscrack: When that random 10 mile wide meteor slams into this place Earth, that we all call home, we humans will all be reduced to the same level. Money wont matter. Guns wont matter. Police wont matter. Politics. God, Jesus and Disneyland wont matter. Guess which people will already know how to live without?


Guns will matter until the ammo runs out.  And then they'll start mattering again when someone finds ready sources of sulfur and saltpeter, charcoal being rather easy to come by.
 
2013-06-15 02:15:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: MBK: I bet 10 bucks someone complained because they had to see homeless people in their parks.

And their dogs were tracking homeless hair on the carpets.


Or someone's frisbee or flag football game was canceled due to homeless on the field.

As for the license, I am sure you only need one when you are under the legal status of a business, as in collecting money.  Unless of course you are providing medical services, but it has been a long time since barbers doubled as dentist.
 
2013-06-15 02:16:31 PM
FTFA:  They also noted that Cymerys is not a licensed barber.

Non-story. Nothing to see here.
 
2013-06-15 02:18:35 PM

Godscrack: When that random 10 mile wide meteor slams into this place Earth, that we all call home, we humans will all be reduced to the same level. Money wont matter. Guns wont matter. Police wont matter. Politics. God, Jesus and Disneyland wont matter. Guess which people will already know how to live without?


1) A 10 mile meteor would probably wipe out most life on the planet
2) Being a crazy person/drug addict/subway busker living on the street is not going to imbue you with special post apocalyptic foraging power
3) If we are still alive, guns are going to be about the most important thing left on the planet.
 
2013-06-15 02:19:06 PM

Matthew Keene: I haven't been to a barber in twenty years. I cut my own, what's left of it. I block the back like a pro. I'm sure there is some law being violated.


If you pass yourself off as a barber, yes. You're violating the law.
 
ows
2013-06-15 02:23:40 PM
an italian barber in Connecticut?

who's your boss, daddy?

ay oh, ....oh ay
 
2013-06-15 02:25:41 PM

ows: an italian barber in Connecticut?

who's your boss, daddy?

ay oh, ....oh ay


Just when you thought you were out...THEY PULL YOU BACK IN!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-15 02:28:25 PM

hardinparamedic: FTFA:  They also noted that Cymerys is not a licensed barber.

Non-story. Nothing to see here.


Licences shouldn't be required in the first place.  Its anti-free market and serves no purpose other than artificially inflating the salaries that specific professions get.
 
2013-06-15 02:29:53 PM

Warlordtrooper: Licences shouldn't be required in the first place.  Its anti-free market and serves no purpose other than artificially inflating the salaries that specific professions get.


Ladies and gentlemen, the token libertarian.

Which passage is that in Atlas Shrugged? First Rand 1:32?
 
2013-06-15 02:38:03 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Apparently he doesn't have a barber's license.


HORRORS.

The full weight of the state must be brought to bear on this lurking menace. And while we're at it, Connecticut had better get busy shutting down all those monstrously dangerous unlicensed upholsterers and taxidermists. Connecticut is well on the way to going full Somalia because they don't license florists, you know. Occupational licensing isn't a legalized protection racket - far from it. It's for the children, you Randian capitalist monster.
 
2013-06-15 02:48:19 PM

Matthew Keene: I haven't been to a barber in twenty years. I cut my own, what's left of it. I block the back like a pro. I'm sure there is some law being violated.


*



*Brofist*

/ The dog and I share the same pair of hair clippers.
// Good clippers.
 
2013-06-15 02:54:08 PM
A spokeswoman for Mayor Pedro Segarra said later Thursday that he granted Cymerys a special dispensation in light of his years of charitable work. The spokeswoman, Maribel La Luz, said the city will help Cymerys obtain a state barber's license if he likes.

Those monsters.

But seriously, it's cute when it's one sweet old guy giving semi-pro haircuts in the park. It's significantly less cute when it's the fortune teller and the manicurist doing their thing for "charitable donations." Then come the guys sitting on coolers full of bottled water, etc. etc., and your park is halfway to being a strip mall.

Then all the people complaining about the heavy, stupid hand of government oppressing this guy by making him get the okay from the mayor would instead be complaining about how this joke of a city can't even police its own parks. There's flagrant unauthorized commerce going on in this recreational-zoned area, and nary a permit in sight!

Don't get me wrong, municipal government is often a special kind of dumb and/or corrupt. But this is the system working the way it's supposed to. The rule is upheld and a sensible exception is made. What's the problem?
 
2013-06-15 02:59:29 PM

GBB: Godscrack: Authoritarians, 'Christians', police, rich people should start being a little more nicer to homeless.

When that random 10 mile wide meteor slams into this place Earth, that we all call home, we humans will all be reduced to the same level. Money wont matter. Guns wont matter. Police wont matter. Politics. God, Jesus and Disneyland wont matter. Guess which people will already know how to live without?

They will get to watch all the people running around, trying to charge their phones, trying to get clean, trying to find food. Killing each other for ammo.

But wait, what's that? looks like that big meteor brought a few more friends with him.

God is in his holy temple.
Earthly thoughts, be silent now.

Actually, I think guns will matter.


Only until your ammunition dies from moisture, and your gas to power the generator lasts so you can see the people in the dark with pointed sticks, guns without logistics fail like all of our other technology pretty fast.

/Great for the first 3-4 months
 
2013-06-15 03:01:44 PM

BitwiseShift: I'm sure licensed barbers have some cursory health training, as they were once ranked with surgeons and the root and bark lady.


That's because the barbers were doing bleeding and god knows what else. It sounds like this guy was following basic sanitation, but he could still end up picking up the nickname Hepatitis Tony.
 
2013-06-15 03:10:04 PM

hardinparamedic: Warlordtrooper: Licences shouldn't be required in the first place.  Its anti-free market and serves no purpose other than artificially inflating the salaries that specific professions get.

Ladies and gentlemen, the token libertarian.

Which passage is that in Atlas Shrugged? First Rand 1:32?


As a libertarian, I can tell you that most libertarians don't believe there's NO place for government in society. In this case, where a license probably comes with health training, a license isn't a bad idea or an overreach of government. There are real health issues involved, including the spread of lice, hepatitis, and God only knows how many bacterial skin infections.
 
2013-06-15 03:23:49 PM

Jacob_Roberson: BitwiseShift: I'm sure licensed barbers have some cursory health training, as they were once ranked with surgeons and the root and bark lady.

There's a need for hair cutters to check for lice, scurvy, leprosy, genital warts, skin infections, rabies, caligula among the very poor and unwashed. Probably some truth to that.

wat


Delusions of emperorship?
 
2013-06-15 03:25:04 PM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

/Does not approve
 
2013-06-15 03:27:05 PM

Gulper Eel: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Apparently he doesn't have a barber's license.

HORRORS.

The full weight of the state must be brought to bear on this lurking menace. And while we're at it, Connecticut had better get busy shutting down all those monstrously dangerous unlicensed upholsterers and taxidermists. Connecticut is well on the way to going full Somalia because they don't license florists, you know. Occupational licensing isn't a legalized protection racket - far from it. It's for the children, you Randian capitalist monster.


Roight, guv.  Because barbers, who bring sharp objects in close proximity to their clients' skin, are JUST LIKE florists, who bring sharp objects in close proximity only to flower stems.  The one is no riskier than the other.  The Free Market® will sort it all out after a few people catch a few infections.

(That said, they guy in TFA probably knows what he's doing, and the mayor was willing to help him get a license.)
 
2013-06-15 03:28:41 PM
Government! Yes!

More, please!
 
2013-06-15 03:28:52 PM
The biggest misnomer in our language is "civil servant".
They are the people who dream up the rules, and get hurt as hell when we don't follow them. More like "uncivil MASTERS".
 
2013-06-15 03:39:14 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: 6/10 your gonna get some bites you horrible person you


Perhaps I can interest you in some of this...

Gulper Eel: HORRORS.

The full weight of the state must be brought to bear on this lurking menace. And while we're at it, Connecticut had better get busy shutting down all those monstrously dangerous unlicensed upholsterers and taxidermists. Connecticut is well on the way to going full Somalia because they don't license florists, you know. Occupational licensing isn't a legalized protection racket - far from it. It's for the children, you Randian capitalist monster.

 
2013-06-15 03:39:49 PM

Chach: Government! Yes!

More, please!


Git them Scary Mooselimbs, Greasy Spics and Feelthy Queers!  Ban abortion and birth control, those Dirty Sluts must pay for teh secks!
 
2013-06-15 04:36:18 PM
nhne-pulse.org
 
2013-06-15 04:56:59 PM

hardinparamedic: Ladies and gentlemen, the token libertarian.


So what is the public safety purpose of the license? It certainly servers as a barrier to entry, and as a source of revenue for the state and whoever does the licensing, but I'm not sure I see the benefit to the public.

There's probably room for a few rules about sanitation. But we have sanitation rules for food that require, at most, a handful of training hours and a $10 test. And many jurisdictions don't license food workers at all. In comparison the CT license he'd need requires 1,500 hours of training -- that's 9 months of full-time work. It's clearly designed to discourage new entrants and make them beholden to existing practitioners, just like most guild/license/consortium/cartel systems have been throughout history.
 
2013-06-15 05:08:31 PM
Stupidly enough, Barbers, Stylists, Manicurists, etc have to be licensed because you are removing part of the body.
 
2013-06-15 07:03:53 PM
"Twenty-five years I've been giving haircuts, and no one died on me," he said.

It's about infection, not death. Basic sanitation for barbers can be learned in a few minutes of instruction.

Licensing for barbers is mostly about restricting entry into the profession, not about public safety.

There are people offering to help him with licensing; he should accept their help.

In the meantime, the local barbers guild or association should begin offering this service as a work of charity.

Also, I'm certain that some barbers will have a need to do some community service work.
 
2013-06-15 07:21:32 PM

BitwiseShift: I'm sure licensed barbers have some cursory health training, as they were once ranked with surgeons and the root and bark lady.

There's a need for hair cutters to check for lice, scurvy, leprosy, genital warts, skin infections, rabies, caligula among the very poor and unwashed. Probably some truth to that.


I don't know about you, but I don't want my Barber checking out my junk.
 
2013-06-15 07:24:59 PM
DNRTFA
DNRTFT

The article will be a typical human-interest fluff piece full of folksy expressions and clumsy prose that glosses over sanitation of instruments and disposal of biological waste.

The thread will be a cavalcade of touchey-feeley knee-jerkery that condemns fuddy-duddy public health officials for enforcing spiteful public health regulations that are especially hard on women, children, and the poor.
 
2013-06-15 07:27:21 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The biggest misnomer in our language is "civil servant".
They are the people who dream up the rules, and get hurt as hell when we don't follow them. More like "uncivil MASTERS".


on the upside... Congress is properly named.... it is the opposite of Progress.
 
2013-06-15 07:31:56 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Guns will matter until the ammo runs out.  And then they'll start mattering again when someone finds ready sources of sulfur and saltpeter, charcoal being rather easy to come by.


www.startrek.com
 
2013-06-15 08:22:48 PM
So, "the city will help Cymerys obtain a state barber's license if he likes" means they're bullying him. Gotcha.
 
2013-06-15 08:28:46 PM
The story sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Yes, you need a license to be a barber in Connecticut. Some people in the neighborhood complained, so law enforcement had to respond. Then the Mayor stepped in and put enforcement on-hold to give the guy time to get licensed, if he wishes.

This is the way the system's supposed to work, fellow citizens. The police's job is to respond to complaints and to enforce the laws as-written. Judges and elected officials are supposed to use judgement to set priorities and make exceptions when literal interpretations of the law cause unfair problems.

But here's the catch: That barber license requires 1,500 hours of study in a board-accredited barber college, with no provision at all for self-study. Other than that, the applicant only needs an 8th-grade education, pass the written test, and pay a $100 fee. Those are fine, but the college time requirement seems ridiculous, and makes the Mayor's gesture rather empty.

I wonder how much money the hair stylists and barber college lobby spent bribing the state legislature into that requirement?
 
2013-06-15 08:35:22 PM
Followup to above: I was curious about whether this was a "liberal nanny state" thing, or more universal, so I checked half a dozen random states, plus Texas and Alaska. They're all the same, requiring 1,250 to 1,600 hours in a state-accredited barber college.
 
2013-06-15 08:41:26 PM

Beowoolfie: The story sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Yes, you need a license to be a barber in Connecticut. Some people in the neighborhood complained, so law enforcement had to respond. Then the Mayor stepped in and put enforcement on-hold to give the guy time to get licensed, if he wishes.

This is the way the system's supposed to work, fellow citizens. The police's job is to respond to complaints and to enforce the laws as-written. Judges and elected officials are supposed to use judgement to set priorities and make exceptions when literal interpretations of the law cause unfair problems.

But here's the catch: That barber license requires 1,500 hours of study in a board-accredited barber college, with no provision at all for self-study. Other than that, the applicant only needs an 8th-grade education, pass the written test, and pay a $100 fee. Those are fine, but the college time requirement seems ridiculous, and makes the Mayor's gesture rather empty.

I wonder how much money the hair stylists and barber college lobby spent bribing the state legislature into that requirement?


However the license is to be a professional barber, meaning a paid barber.  He is just an amateur barber helping a few friends.  If you really want to go after this guy, you'll have to start going after all those evil families that cut relatives' hair.  Start making all barber equipment accessible only by showing your barber license.  Right now I can go buy everything to set up a barbershop from one stop, even the chair.  Unless they could prove that I charge anyone for a haircut they can't tell me I cannot cut my sons' hair.  The mayor is just being sensible, because if this guy got a lawyer, he would win.

/I cut my sons' hair, I am only needing the chair
//I even have the cape
 
2013-06-15 08:52:03 PM
lack of warmth However the license is to be a professional barber, meaning a paid barber. He is just an amateur barber helping a few friends.

He is cutting hair for the public. These are not his friends. He does not cut hair in his own house or garden. He cuts hair for the public in a city park. His decision to work for free does not make him an amateur. It just makes him a bad businessman.

HE.. IS.. CUTTING.. HAIR.. FOR.. STRANGERS.. IN.. A.. PUBLIC.. PLACE..
 
2013-06-15 09:27:07 PM
Well, TFA and TFT played out roughly the way I predicted. For the really dense, I'll sum up the reason for licensing requiring 1500 hours.

Cutting hair is like washing cars. Any moron can do the basic job. But detailing a car and doing a good job takes experience. It takes patience. It takes skill. Unless you try to wash a car with a rock, you really won't fark it up.

Cars are inanimate objects, but people are people. So in the interest of public health, personal safety, and not having to wait weeks for a butcher cut by a fly-by-night shyster to grow out and get fixed by a real barber, there is licensing with required experience.

If you fark up a wino's buzz-cut, who would notice or care? Nobody really, but who notices when communicable diseases get spread because an unqualified barber decides to ignore the normal process to enter the trade?

Anyone who has some sort of aw-gosh good faith in the skills of an unlicensed barber, based on a poorly written article, is simply a moronic jackass, and probably has bowl cut anyway.
 
2013-06-16 07:42:02 AM

letrole: lack of warmth However the license is to be a professional barber, meaning a paid barber. He is just an amateur barber helping a few friends.

He is cutting hair for the public. These are not his friends. He does not cut hair in his own house or garden. He cuts hair for the public in a city park. His decision to work for free does not make him an amateur. It just makes him a bad businessman.

HE.. IS.. CUTTING.. HAIR.. FOR.. STRANGERS.. IN.. A.. PUBLIC.. PLACE..


you forgot "FOR HUGS!!! OMGWTFBBQ! THE HORROR"

-3.2/potato
 
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