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(Toronto Star)   Graffiti store owner complains about graffiti. Tag has been waiting its entire life for this   (thestar.com ) divider line
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2013-06-15 08:34:01 AM  
3 votes:
That's not ironic, it's hypocritical.
2013-06-15 10:33:51 AM  
2 votes:

CowardlyLion: CowardlyLion:
This is graffiti art:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 733x600]
/ ftfm (guess I should preview before trying to post)


Dadaism is not anti-art.  It's either absurdist art or minimalist art.

It still expresses the artist's ideas and/or an emotions, and it still attempts to evoke ideas and emotions in the audience.

Graffiti is anti-art.  It shows contempt for the audience.  It does not care what it evokes in the audience.  It is masturbatory, done solely for the pleasure of the artist.


I oppose graffiti because I believe in property rights.  My right to the peaceful enjoyment of my property, and the public's right to the peaceful enjoyment of public property.

Your urge to create 'art' is morally and artistically bankrupt when it must appropriate another person's property in order to do so.

The only exception to this is when your appropriation of property is done in order to convey a message that is directly opposed to an illegal or immoral establishment of property (the Berlin Wall is an excellent example).
2013-06-15 08:58:06 AM  
2 votes:

Bolo Jungle: They use the word "artwork" in the article. I think that's ironic.


How's that ironic?

Tagging's certainly not art (any more than a child scribbling on a wall is), but actual graffiti can certainly be (and often is) art. Just because you don't like, understand, or care about something does not change its intrinsic properties. Art is art.
2013-06-15 08:41:32 AM  
2 votes:
They use the word "artwork" in the article. I think that's ironic.
2013-06-16 01:38:24 AM  
1 vote:

The_Original_Roxtar: netflix a documentary called "Infamy"
you'll see that some graffiti is art, and other graffiti is just douchebags being douchebags.

the guy stealing markers and writing on signs and people's front doors is a douchebag
the guy creating giant murals in flood control channels is an artist.


Horseshiat. The same way Pollock is an artist and five year olds finger painting aren't. Getting paid doesn't mean anything, it just means you're getting paid. The people with shiatty tags are just bad artists.

Graffiti means "murals" in Italian, or hyper-literally "scratchings" and mural means "thing on wall." Just because it sucks doesn't mean it's not art.
2013-06-15 01:23:32 PM  
1 vote:

stuffy: If it's yours it's Art, if it's someone else it's vandalism.


i.imgur.com

That's 4,000+ year old graffiti on a pyramid in Egypt. As far as we can tell in terms of concepts of ownership the Pharoh "owned" the pyramids, in as much as he owned everything he saw. But it's just "vandalism" and Egypt should really get their shiat together and clean that place up, right?

/kilroy was here
2013-06-15 11:44:30 AM  
1 vote:
If it's yours it's Art, if it's someone else it's vandalism.
2013-06-15 10:25:12 AM  
1 vote:
If you don't own the place that you modify then its vandalism no matter how "pretty" or "meaningful" the outcome.

I can't wait for true augmented reality so I can have a real life "element hiding helper" to block out all advertisements, bums, and other eyesores.
2013-06-15 10:22:53 AM  
1 vote:

FrancoFile: The graffitist takes joy in creating ugliness and disorder. He takes joy in anticipating that others will have to perform work to remove what he did. He gets a childish thrill from breaking a social contract, without proposing any improvement or change to that social contract.


Did a graffiti artist kill your parents? If so, I'm very sorry for your loss. That's one hell of a lot of projected hate, though. Unless you are (or were) one and are speaking from personal experience.

First: anti-art is still art.
Second: graffiti is often art (see: most of the images here)
Third: Your broad characterization of everyone who has ever made any form of graffiti as a childish version of The Joker would be funny if I didn't think you were serious. (Why are you so serious about this, by the way?)
Fourth: There seems to be some kind of notion, at least in this thread, that all graffiti is exactly the same and is done (inexplicably) for the sole purpose of pissing people off. I can't unpack how wrong all parts of that are, but, suffice to say...
This is tagging:
roxasgraffitiguide.weebly.com
This is graffiti art:
2013-06-15 09:08:18 AM  
1 vote:

CowardlyLion: Bolo Jungle: They use the word "artwork" in the article. I think that's ironic.

How's that ironic?

Tagging's certainly not art (any more than a child scribbling on a wall is), but actual graffiti can certainly be (and often is) art. Just because you don't like, understand, or care about something does not change its intrinsic properties. Art is art


I appreciate your presumption about who I am and what I don't know or understand, but I do understand two things: naïveté and vandalism
2013-06-15 08:49:19 AM  
1 vote:
I don't know much about art but I like this.

farm4.staticflickr.com
2013-06-15 08:43:11 AM  
1 vote:
Graffiti snobs are the worst
2013-06-15 08:34:19 AM  
1 vote:
He's a paint seller shilling for business in his paint store, doomass.
 
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