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2013-06-15 01:42:02 AM  
3 votes:

draa: For me, the problem with all the old people serving in Congress is that most of them don't have a farking clue about the struggles of today's youth. Or the current cultural issues that's going on today. They are out of touch with modern society and yet they are passing laws that govern that society. That's a big reason that we can't move forward I believe. They are constantly trying to take us back to their youth and society is nothing like it used to be when they grew up.


My grandparents used to wonder aloud why I couldn't get through college working a menial job and just saving the money, especially during summers. I wasn't irritated for them thinking that, but it demonstrated a real ignorance of my situation. And this was the 90s - it's far worse now.

I got somewhat lucky in that I was a bartender (waking up for class was pure hell, though), and made far more than minimum wage. It still wasn't close enough to just up and write a check even for a state school. But in the past it actually was possible to work a summer job and cover your books and tuition. I never asked their opinion but I imagine they would believe $7.25 an hour to be enough to be housed and fed without going on government assistance. And remember, that $7.25 was only recently raised.

Grandmom in particular would remind me of how her family survived the Depression, and asked why I couldn't make the same sacrifices. Really? I'm already eating Ramen or mac 'n cheese, living in a sh*thole apartment in a ghetto because I could no longer afford the dorms unless I worked 50 hours per week (impossible if you want decent grades and work at night). I'm not comparing my experience to her Depression childhood, but c'mon, old people assume that getting a job flipping burgers is enough to get ahead in life.

So I took out the same Stafford loans 75% of this thread probably did. Paying it back is easier than trying to pay bills and also come up with ever-increasing educational expenses each year. I even toyed with the idea of military, but am glad I didn't because I was even more of an anti-authority asshole then than I am now.
2013-06-15 07:49:22 AM  
2 votes:

draa: Gyrfalcon: And in re the horrors over his age--you would not be annoyed if my aged grandmother were serving the state of Florida as one of their Representatives, even if she is a die-hard Republican. The problem would be (like this old man) getting her in and out of the building in a timely fashion. Age =/= retardation, any more than youth = sharp mind and brilliant insight into social issues. Remind me to tell you about her minor contribution to the integration of West Virginia education some time.

For me, the problem with all the old people serving in Congress is that most of them don't have a farking clue about the struggles of today's youth. Or the current cultural issues that's going on today. They are out of touch with modern society and yet they are passing laws that govern that society. That's a big reason that we can't move forward I believe. They are constantly trying to take us back to their youth and society is nothing like it used to be when they grew up.


And as long as the youth participation hovers around 30% in elections (2012 was an outlier for obvious reasons) this will continue.  Young people are routinely outnumbered at the polls 2 or more to one.  They can't be bothered to spend 20 minutes determining their future, but will spend the next 2 or 4 years biatching about how the system is stacked against them.

You get what you vote for.
2013-06-15 02:49:17 AM  
2 votes:

BMulligan: Oh FFS, get over yourself. "The struggles of today's youth?" Seriously? Do you really think you and your little friends are a different breed than all the generations before?


No you idiot - the costs have spiraled out of control.

I attended UC Berkeley from 1981 to 1986.  When I started, my fees as an in-state resident were about $1,050 a year. Minimum wage was $3.35 (although I don't remember any job paying less that $5 an hour). So my fees were 313 hours of work (pre-tax).  I worked about 30 hours a week, I could pay my fees with less than three months wages

Today that same school is $13,200 plus a $1,300 "health insurance fee".  So, $14,500. Minimum wage is $8.00. So that's 1,812 hours of work. To pay your fees for one year at that same 30 hours a week takes 14 months of work.

Yes, it really is different for this generation. It isn't that they have changed, its that the costs have gone through the roof.

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2013-06-15 01:20:18 AM  
2 votes:
he was just looking for a lemon party.
2013-06-15 12:40:31 AM  
2 votes:
"Many of those in attendance probably were surprised to see me walk in, but were not surprised to see me leave quickly," Hall said about his mistake.

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2013-06-14 09:50:04 PM  
2 votes:

kronicfeld: BravadoGT: He's NINETY.

And we still let him serve in Congress. Pathetic.


Seriously

/if we can't have term limits, can we at least have a freaking mandatory retirement age?
2013-06-14 09:43:36 PM  
2 votes:
 he had entered the wrong door.
I'm going to have to write that one down.
2013-06-14 09:27:21 PM  
2 votes:

BravadoGT: He's NINETY.


And we still let him serve in Congress. Pathetic.
2013-06-15 10:23:26 AM  
1 votes:

inclemency: Missisauga, Ontario has a near 90 year old mayor who keeps getting re-elected and I keep saying from Toronto 'pedobear can work on both spectrums: too old'.

Retire old man.


Mississauga?  Goddamn.
2013-06-15 08:44:43 AM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: And as long as the youth participation hovers around 30% in elections (2012 was an outlier for obvious reasons) this will continue. Young people are routinely outnumbered at the polls 2 or more to one. They can't be bothered to spend 20 minutes determining their future, but will spend the next 2 or 4 years biatching about how the system is stacked against them.

You get what you vote for.


I agree, but I think many of them feel that it's no use since things won't change even if they do vote. I know some of them just don't care, but why should they since nothing will change in the end? I know I've heard more than one say that. Once politicians get to Washington, they forget all about the reasons they were sent there. That goes across all political lines, too. The kids know that. Hell, everybody knows that. Even with an all Democrat or all Republican Congress and White House nothing would change. Past experiences have already proven it time and again. Kids can see the same thing we do. I wish it would change but honestly if 100% of them voted nothing would be any different in Washington. Or the bullshiat coming from it either.

Listen, I voted for Obama(twice) but the NSA crap that's going on right now sort of proves my point. He said he'd do things differently than Bush. So far he's just like Bush in many ways. If that's the way things are going to be why should our kids care who's in there? Or in Congress? For that matter why should I? Outside of some social issues(which I support) the two groups aren't really that much different. Neither group wants to help lower the cost of education or raise the slave wages people are working for. Both groups are so deep in Wall Street and Corporate pockets that they can't even be found anymore. Some individuals might want to do things to help but collectively nobody gives a damn. I can't blame kids for saying fark it even if they could be bothered to vote because frankly I'm close to saying the same thing.


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2013-06-15 03:34:34 AM  
1 votes:

BMulligan: First of all, some of the most reactionary thinking comes from the young. Look at the Iranian revolution - guys in their twenties and thirties, wanting to recapture the glory of the 11th Century.


Yes, I'm sure you have your finger on the pulse of the younger generation in Iran. No doubt its about wanting to implement a stricter form of Islam than they already have.  The way the government has wrecked the economy, the underground nightclubs where men and women mingle and even drink, everything I've read about mobile phones being used to circumvent the cultural edicts from the ayatollahs - none of that is true.

Because BMulligan knows what's going on in Iran. And from that, extrapolates to how youth everywhere are really just reactionaries harkening back to a far, far earlier time.

This is why I love the internet. I get exposed to the ridiculous things people actually believe.
2013-06-15 03:23:32 AM  
1 votes:

draa: BMulligan: Seriously? Do you really think you and your little friends are a different breed than all the generations before?

Well, I'm 48 years old so if you are calling me young I want to thank you. And then you can go fark yourself.

It's about staying in touch with the progress of society. Many old people don't do that. I know that if I'm having problems then people 30 goddamn years older than me must be as well. Especially people in Congress.


I think I see the issue here. I'm only four years older than you, so we're pretty much the same cohort (although Vietnam probably was still a little more scary for me than for you). If you're like me, you're feeling your age a little. That's  our problem; no one else's. Thirty-year olds have no idea why we feel out of place when we go to get a pint at the pub on the corner (which seems to have turned into some kind of hipster joint), and eighty-year olds are laughing at us for being young and dumb. Welcome to your midlife crisis, my friend!

As far as staying in touch with the culture as a prerequisite to effective government, forget about it. First of all, some of the most reactionary thinking comes from the young. Look at the Iranian revolution - guys in their twenties and thirties, wanting to recapture the glory of the 11th Century. Today in America, young hedge fund managers fresh out of Wharton are in training to be the Koch brothers of tomorrow. Second, you don't need a lot of cultural sensitivity to direct fiscal policy, and foreign policy is just chess. Other than that, the government never directs change, it always just gets dragged along along with the rest of society. There is always an avant garde, and by definition, most of us aren't in it.
2013-06-15 02:58:10 AM  
1 votes:

BMulligan: Seriously? Do you really think you and your little friends are a different breed than all the generations before?


Well, I'm 48 years old so if you are calling me young I want to thank you. And then you can go fark yourself.

It's about staying in touch with the progress of society. Many old people don't do that. I know that if I'm having problems then people 30 goddamn years older than me must be as well. Especially people in Congress.
2013-06-15 02:20:18 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-06-15 02:17:42 AM  
1 votes:
I for one commend Mr. Hall for being the first anti-gay congressman to attend a pro-gay event that didn't involve them having sex.
2013-06-15 02:17:07 AM  
1 votes:
And furthermore...

If what we're all assuming here is true - that this guy is a 90-year old closet case - just think how sad that is. To have lived so long without ever feeling comfortable in his own skin. I think there's a lesson there for everyone, of any age.
2013-06-15 01:33:20 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Why was everyone at the LBGT event "shocked" at his presence? An old man shows up, acts polite for a little bit, then leaves: What's the "shock"? Why not invite him to stay a while? He's almost as old as my grandmother, for chrissakes, at least I can understand why HE would be a DOMA advocate.

And in re the horrors over his age--you would not be annoyed if my aged grandmother were serving the state of Florida as one of their Representatives, even if she is a die-hard Republican. The problem would be (like this old man) getting her in and out of the building in a timely fashion. Age =/= retardation, any more than youth = sharp mind and brilliant insight into social issues. Remind me to tell you about her minor contribution to the integration of West Virginia education some time.




Your grandmother may still be sharp as a tack, but the link between aging and the risk of dementia isn't imaginary.
The number of cases of dementia worldwide in 2010 was estimated at 35.6 million.[59] Rates increase significantly with age, with dementia affecting 5% of the population older than 65 and 20-40% of those older than 85.

At 47, I find that my mind seems a tiny bit slower to remember facts than it used to be. I don't suspect early onset dementia, just the normal changes associated with aging.
2013-06-15 01:22:13 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: And in re the horrors over his age--you would not be annoyed if my aged grandmother were serving the state of Florida as one of their Representatives, even if she is a die-hard Republican. The problem would be (like this old man) getting her in and out of the building in a timely fashion. Age =/= retardation, any more than youth = sharp mind and brilliant insight into social issues. Remind me to tell you about her minor contribution to the integration of West Virginia education some time.


For me, the problem with all the old people serving in Congress is that most of them don't have a farking clue about the struggles of today's youth. Or the current cultural issues that's going on today. They are out of touch with modern society and yet they are passing laws that govern that society. That's a big reason that we can't move forward I believe. They are constantly trying to take us back to their youth and society is nothing like it used to be when they grew up.
2013-06-14 09:25:18 PM  
1 votes:
He's NINETY.  They didn't have gays back in his time.  They were just "fops" or "dandies"
 
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