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2013-06-14 08:49:19 PM
Now I want to know who the thieves are.
 
2013-06-14 09:27:38 PM
"The Actor" appears to be Nick Madson, based on this. "The Valedictorian" was at Columbia University in 2010, and can easily be googled.

"The Pastor" seems to be @prodigalsam, going by this article from just a week ago.
 
2013-06-14 09:42:17 PM
Patton Oswalt has to be the most likeable entertainer - much less stand-up comic - I've seen in the last fifteen years. He's funny as shiat, a pretty rational thinker, and a surprisingly good actor.
 
2013-06-14 09:42:42 PM
Gotta love that guy
 
2013-06-14 09:42:53 PM
The whole rape joke thing is such bullshiat and only proves certain (most) feminists have no sense of humor, not to mention that rape jokes are far from common.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:34 PM

fusillade762: Now I want to know who the thieves are.


SECONDED.

Harumph!
 
2013-06-14 09:50:44 PM
I read Steve Martin's autobiography about his stand-up years, and it was interesting how deadly serious he was about it. It was like a science to him. He was busy having panic attacks all the time too.
 
2013-06-14 09:56:49 PM
While I love Oswalt's stand-up ("KFC Bowls", anyone?), it's this kind of stuff that makes me really dig him as a creative talent.
 
2013-06-14 10:07:21 PM
The creativity and honor industry of jokes about Hot Pockets striving and working hard at the joke forge and toiling hard in the comedy fields so that one day another white male can be rewarded with a starring role in a sitcom about a dysfunctional family's wacky hijinks THAT IS JUST LIKE YOUR FAMILY. YOU THE VIEWER.

If only there was a way to meld the creation of social media apps with stand up comedy, maybe there would be no need for a Kony 2013 campaign.
 
2013-06-14 10:20:30 PM

TheJoe03: The whole rape joke thing is such bullshiat and only proves certain (most) feminists have no sense of humor, not to mention that rape jokes are far from common.


A lot of comics started doing rape jokes after the Daniel Tosh viasco, I think in an attempt to defy the haters and find a rape joke that worked. It was a little tiresome.
 
2013-06-14 10:21:14 PM
*fiasco.
 
2013-06-14 10:22:44 PM

Xythero: A lot of comics started doing rape jokes after the Daniel Tosh viasco, I think in an attempt to defy the haters and find a rape joke that worked. It was a little tiresome.


Fair enough, but that just makes them hacks.
 
2013-06-14 10:23:47 PM
It's funny that he mentions joke theivery, etc, and mentions a story about his group of people ripping off MST3K's gimmick. I like Patton Oswalt a lot, but that's an irony I took away from it.
 
2013-06-14 10:24:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMukKqx-Os

/Carlin being ahead of the curve like always
//Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd
///Elmer was asking for it
 
2013-06-14 10:32:50 PM

Buzzerguy: "The Actor" appears to be Nick Madson, based on this. "The Valedictorian" was at Columbia University in 2010, and can easily be googled.

"The Pastor" seems to be @prodigalsam, going by this article from just a week ago.


That Nick Madson guy isn't funny. Terrible delivery.

Now... who is "Kid Thief" that flamed out so spectacularly on National TV?
 
2013-06-14 10:34:51 PM
Can't really take this guy seriously after seeing him as a recurring character in "Justified".

/Can't even take him "ironically", as his fans seem to do. Because he's that meta.
 
2013-06-14 10:37:35 PM

TheJoe03: Xythero: A lot of comics started doing rape jokes after the Daniel Tosh viasco, I think in an attempt to defy the haters and find a rape joke that worked. It was a little tiresome.

Fair enough, but that just makes them hacks.


Sarah Silverman had a rape bit the same night Tosh was getting himself into trouble.  I wouldn't say she nailed it, but she did prove you can joke about rape if you do it correctly.

The second video in that article is a little skewed.  It makes its point with Tosh because Tosh's bit was nothing but hostile, but it is unfair to Louis CK because it takes his bit out of context.
 
2013-06-14 10:44:48 PM

Lsherm: Sarah Silverman had a rape bit the same night Tosh was getting himself into trouble.  I wouldn't say she nailed it, but she did prove you can joke about rape if you do it correctly.

The second video in that article is a little skewed.  It makes its point with Tosh because Tosh's bit was nothing but hostile, but it is unfair to Louis CK because it takes his bit out of context.


I agree and that was a good little read, Tosh was out of line but that doesn't mean there are topics that are off limits in comedy. Oh and I remember the Louis bit (and the proper context), laughed my ass off when I first heard it.
 
2013-06-14 10:48:51 PM

ParagonComplex: It's funny that he mentions joke theivery, etc, and mentions a story about his group of people ripping off MST3K's gimmick. I like Patton Oswalt a lot, but that's an irony I took away from it.


This.

There is a distinction between WORDS and IDEAS, and I think that Oswalt just doesn't get it, or didn't really touch on that when he should have. His "hot pockets" joke and Gaffigan's routine are like apples and oranges. They come from different places, go different places, and are actually about different things. The similarity is in the words used. That's irrelevant. The ideas, the actual content, the performances are different animals entirely. Plagiarism and theft are when someone takes the words, the content, and the act as one piece.

And while I'm sure that different jokes were made and different language used while heckling "Twilight" than used in the Rifftrax, but they took the idea and the performance and the spirit of MST3K. That's theft.


//Patton Oswald was raped by Daniel Tosh.
 
2013-06-14 10:49:34 PM

LesserEvil: Now... who is "Kid Thief" that flamed out so spectacularly on National TV?



Doesn't really matter, since it's probably going to be a name no one's going to remember ever hearing.
 
2013-06-14 10:57:00 PM

Confabulat: I read Steve Martin's autobiography about his stand-up years, and it was interesting how deadly serious he was about it. It was like a science to him. He was busy having panic attacks all the time too.


That was amazing.  I listened to the book-on-CD, and it was read by Steve himself.
 
2013-06-14 10:57:01 PM

AntonSzandorLaVey: Gotta love that guy


Nope, no I don't.

Dane Cook FTW
 
2013-06-14 11:01:12 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: AntonSzandorLaVey: Gotta love that guy

Nope, no I don't.

Dane Cook FTW


And that's how you troll ladies and gentlemen.
 
2013-06-14 11:06:19 PM
Patton Oswalt doesn't have the physical capacity to rape anyway. It would be like trying to fend off a large teddy bear.
 
2013-06-14 11:06:31 PM

suburbanguy: I listened to the book-on-CD, and it was read by Steve himself.


Actually I did too. It was funny how he would read lines like "I'm a wild and crazy guy" in a quiet mediative way. I was left wanting more though. Like when did he decide to star in shiatty Pink Panther remakes and why.
 
2013-06-14 11:08:51 PM
Everybody getting freaked out by rape jokes.

But even a comic as white-bread as Jay Leno can make jokes about prison rape and nobody bats an eye.

Rape is rape.
 
2013-06-14 11:09:18 PM

Solid Muldoon: Everybody getting freaked out by rape jokes.

But even a comic as white-bread as Jay Leno can make jokes about prison rape and nobody bats an eye.

Rape is rape.


Not when a woman is involved because patriarchy
 
2013-06-14 11:16:36 PM

ThatDarkFellow: Patton Oswalt doesn't have the physical capacity to rape anyway. It would be like trying to fend off a large teddy bear.


Rape Bear: the bear that rapes people.
 
2013-06-14 11:26:49 PM

ThatDarkFellow: Solid Muldoon: Everybody getting freaked out by rape jokes.

But even a comic as white-bread as Jay Leno can make jokes about prison rape and nobody bats an eye.

Rape is rape.

Not when a woman is involved because patriarchy


I remember "don't drop the soap" jokes as far back as the 60s. On network TV. Patriarchy today has nothing on the 60s. Hold on. Checking the news from Virginia. Okay, I was wrong.
 
2013-06-14 11:40:13 PM
I do sympathize with Patton about joke theft and this corrosive attitude about appropriating.  While that's been going on since biblical times, I really think that the current Millenial "remix culture" has taken on a Chinese kind of perspective on appropriating material made by others, without care for or deference to the source. Much less a residual.

What I'm getting at is that if you look at early hip-hop culture and "sampling", that was like jazz improvisation: taking a short riff by someone else and building something completely new with it. That's an "honorable" kind of theft, and that's not new either: hip-hop re-mixes and jazz riffs were certainly predated by "Variations on a Theme by Paganini."   But today in many cases, you see wholesale copy-pasting of the work of others without reference or attribution.  Not to make something completely new from the seed of something old, but to clone existing work and take credit for it as original.

A "Wolex" watch isn't an artistic attempt to comment on the making of expensive watches: it is some shmuck passing off a counterfeit as an original.
I feel this is a generational thing, an attitude of the young today who grew up in an ocean of pre-made material and technology that lets you easily slice and dice it. ...and the thieves and heckler in Patton's story reflect this attitude that the product no longer comes from the work of a human being, but just materializes for free in the middle of the air as a public domain resource, to be shared by all, owned by nobody.
 
2013-06-14 11:40:14 PM
I love his standup, but Patton Oswalt takes himself way too seriously.
 
2013-06-14 11:40:55 PM
Patton Oswald talking about comedy is exactly the same as Justin Bieber talking music, or Danielle Steele talking literature.
 
Slu
2013-06-14 11:41:40 PM

Confabulat: suburbanguy: I listened to the book-on-CD, and it was read by Steve himself.

Actually I did too. It was funny how he would read lines like "I'm a wild and crazy guy" in a quiet mediative way. I was left wanting more though. Like when did he decide to star in shiatty Pink Panther remakes and why.


That would be a boring story. The answer is when they dropped the enormous check in front of him.
 
2013-06-14 11:51:23 PM

Slu: Confabulat: suburbanguy: I listened to the book-on-CD, and it was read by Steve himself.

Actually I did too. It was funny how he would read lines like "I'm a wild and crazy guy" in a quiet mediative way. I was left wanting more though. Like when did he decide to star in shiatty Pink Panther remakes and why.

That would be a boring story. The answer is when they dropped the enormous check in front of him.


Steve Martin was/is sooooo overated - now Chevy Chase on the other hand...
 
2013-06-14 11:55:58 PM

Any Pie Left: But today in many cases, you see wholesale copy-pasting of the work of others without reference or attribution.  Not to make something completely new from the seed of something old, but to clone existing work and take credit for it as original


Honestly, I'd disagree. That was a problem in the late 90s when Puff Daddy was just taking whole songs and rapping over them, not just snippets and flipping them into something new. Nowadays hip-hop suffers actually from a lack of sampling (cause it costs to much) and we now have a lot of crap based on synths that's turning the genre into some kind of "EDM" ripoff, at least in the mainstream. The rest of your post was on point, I even rated it as "smart", so don't think I'm totally disagreeing or anything and I understand your main point.

/off topic, I know.
//honestly, I'm not sure what I quoted was even about rap music, now that I think about it.
 
2013-06-14 11:56:18 PM

Any Pie Left: What I'm getting at is that if you look at early hip-hop culture and "sampling", that was like jazz improvisation: taking a short riff by someone else and building something completely new with it.


There is a difference between, say, a rock band, taking some blue songs, and tweaking it, modifying the tempo, key, message, etc, and putting their own spin on it, and someone who just downloads a rock song mp3 and singing over the top of it.

There is a difference between influence and stealing. "sampling" is stealing, because it is unmodified.

If Ford came out with a car that has the same hp engine as a chevy, with the same paint color and even tracks for the same 0-60 speed, that is inspiration. If ford goes to the chevy dealer and buys a chevy and puts different bucket seats in it and slaps their badge on  the hood, thats stealing.
 
2013-06-14 11:57:17 PM
TheJoe03:

Wow.
I had Puff in my mind when i wrote my post.
 
2013-06-14 11:58:28 PM

LemSkroob: "sampling" is stealing, because it is unmodified.


You don't pay for things you steal. Samples have to be cleared.
 
2013-06-15 12:00:56 AM

LemSkroob: Wow. I had Puff in my mind when i wrote my post.


Ha. Puffy kind of ruined how people think about hip hop sampling and now people assume hip hop samples are just copy and pasting instrumentals instead of something more like a collage. When someone like RZA or even a house artist like Daft Punk samples, it actually takes some kind of talent for the producer/s.
 
2013-06-15 12:06:10 AM

ParagonComplex: It's funny that he mentions joke theivery, etc, and mentions a story about his group of people ripping off MST3K's gimmick. I like Patton Oswalt a lot, but that's an irony I took away from it.


Yeah, because no one yelled at the movie screen before MST3K.

If Patton and gang had played movies that MST3K had done and simply redid the show, then it'd be stealing. Simply executing on a format that someone has happened to do before is not.
 
2013-06-15 12:07:06 AM

TheJoe03: LemSkroob: "sampling" is stealing, because it is unmodified.

You don't pay for things you steal. Samples have to be cleared.


Ideally, yes, but often that is not the case very often. Off the top of my head, the Vanilla Ice / Bowie-Queen comes to mind. They went to court over it, i beleive.

/It was only settled when Ice just bought the rights to the Bowie-Queen song.
 
2013-06-15 12:07:17 AM

spiralscratch: Yeah, because no one yelled at the movie screen before MST3K.


Yeah, really, MST3K hardly invented that concept. They just made a show about it.
 
2013-06-15 12:18:55 AM

Thoguh: I love his standup, but Patton Oswalt takes himself way too seriously.


This.
 
2013-06-15 12:19:17 AM

Thoguh: I love his standup, but Patton Oswalt takes himself way too seriously.


Have to agree. Still one of my favorite comedians but I can't stand people who take themselves too seriously. Even when he's trying to be modest ("Oh, I will never be as good as [list of comedians he is as good as if not better than]."), he still implies far too much importance in what he does. Impressive as it may be, it's still just comedy.
 
2013-06-15 12:20:05 AM
When I was dating my future wife, we were walking in grovesnor square in London at night and we heard a woman screaming, we both looked at each other, and I kind of shrugged and made a little smile and said, "maybe she's getting raped?"
We both laughed and laughed and that's how I knew she was the one.
 
2013-06-15 12:24:03 AM

ParagonComplex: It's funny that he mentions joke theivery, etc, and mentions a story about his group of people ripping off MST3K's gimmick. I like Patton Oswalt a lot, but that's an irony I took away from it.


So who is allowed to do stand-up? Who is allowed to do comedy movies? Your ideas stem from the same region as copywrite trolls. "I patented the idea of sending messages!". Now no one can IM, do email or send data because your vague description is too farking vague.

Like spiralscratch

spiralscratch: If Patton and gang had played movies that MST3K had done and simply redid the show, then it'd be stealing. Simply executing on a format that someone has happened to do before is not.

 
2013-06-15 12:37:18 AM

Confabulat: I read Steve Martin's autobiography about his stand-up years, and it was interesting how deadly serious he was about it. It was like a science to him. He was busy having panic attacks all the time too.


"Born Standing Up"? Yeah, good read.
 
2013-06-15 12:40:02 AM
I'm a big fan of his, but when he started talking rape culture, I found myself wanting to skim to the end.  It was very out of place in a letter to himself about comedy.
 
2013-06-15 01:01:31 AM

TheJoe03: , Tosh was out of line but that doesn't mean there are topics that are off limits in comedy.



I don't think you read the article all the way through.

"no one is trying to make rape, as a subject, off-limitsNo one is talking about censorship.  In this past week of re-reading the blogs, going through the comment threads, and re-scrolling the Twitter arguments, I haven't once found a single statement, feminist or otherwise, saying that rape shouldn't be joked under any circumstance, regardless of context.  Not one example of this."
 
2013-06-15 01:05:35 AM

TaterTot_HotDish: TheJoe03: , Tosh was out of line but that doesn't mean there are topics that are off limits in comedy.


I don't think you read the article all the way through.

"no one is trying to make rape, as a subject, off-limits.  No one is talking about censorship.  In this past week of re-reading the blogs, going through the comment threads, and re-scrolling the Twitter arguments, I haven't once found a single statement, feminist or otherwise, saying that rape shouldn't be joked under any circumstance, regardless of context.  Not one example of this."


That was me agreeing with the article actually, though I understand the misunderstanding.
 
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